Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine - Page 544

On October 03 2026 03:25 dyhb wrote:
I don't care about your MAGAt relatives, I'm asking about evangelicals. And yes, I know how our relatives affect our understanding of broader groups beyond our relatives. Speak to people not like you outside of your family, and blow a Sunday at the church across town. Or maybe the next town over if you're in a particularly insular area. They're big and easy to find. It takes 2-3 hours and you might get hugged. I find that End Times matter zilch to their perspective (if they can agree at all on the End Times), and it's literally just the shared holy books and a political perspective of shared democracy, reciprocal allies, and something religious like "God's people" or whatever you want to call it.

Also are you confusing holy war with millenarianism? Religious roots to the war is much different than the far left's masturbatory fixation on end times fantasies.

On October 03 2026 03:25 dyhb wrote:
I don't care about your MAGAt relatives, I'm asking about evangelicals. And yes, I know how our relatives affect our understanding of broader groups beyond our relatives. Speak to people not like you outside of your family, and blow a Sunday at the church across town. Or maybe the next town over if you're in a particularly insular area. They're big and easy to find. It takes 2-3 hours and you might get hugged. I find that End Times matter zilch to their perspective (if they can agree at all on the End Times), and it's literally just the shared holy books and a political perspective of shared democracy, reciprocal allies, and something religious like "God's people" or whatever you want to call it.

Also are you confusing holy war with millenarianism? Religious roots to the war is much different than the far left's masturbatory fixation on end times fantasies.

On October 03 2026 03:43 Billyboy wrote:

JD vance, current us vice president said he’s doing ‘God’s work – and if that leads to the end times, OK’ he also separately said that he wouldn’t be surprised if the anti christ is walking among us and we’re living in the end times.

It’s a pretty main stream belief among the wacky religious of the US. Well it’s true that they basically have given up on actual Christian values, it would be untrue to say that this is something fringe no one thinks about. The big names are openly talking about it, with support not push back.

On October 03 2026 03:43 LightSpectra wrote:


In this post, you've 1] suggested I blow all of my free time in the foreseeable future having deep conversations with idiots and religious fanatics to learn the micro-nuances of their ideologies, and 2] labeled the perception of the entire "far-left" (your description of them is so confused and vague that it's hard to tell who you're specifically referring to) as "masturbatory fantasies" even though I literally told you I know people in real life that say and do these things unironically.

One of us sure is stuck in a bubble and should get out more.

On October 03 2026 03:44 Nebuchad wrote:


You grew up in a city didn't you. What you describe is like the least unknown phenomenon ever. Conservatives are nice to you in person but mean to groups, because when they get to know you you're no longer part of that abstract group that they hate, you're an individual who they have a connexion with, one of the good ones. They famously do not think that the leopard is also going to eat your face.

On October 03 2026 03:44 Nebuchad wrote:


You grew up in a city didn't you. What you describe is like the least unknown phenomenon ever. Conservatives are nice to you in person but mean to groups, because when they get to know you you're no longer part of that abstract group that they hate, you're an individual who they have a connexion with, one of the good ones. They famously do not think that the leopard is also going to eat your face.

On October 03 2026 04:17 RJGooner wrote:


This is a funny statement given the topic we're discussing in this thread.

It's been almost exclusively people on the left who are quick to tar Israelis as white colonizers, genocidal baby-killers, apartheid supporters etc. It's the left who are pushing people out of community spaces because they are "Zionists". Of course, these same people are quick to embrace and elevate antizionist Jewish voices despite the fact that they are a clear minority on this topic.

Hate goes both ways.

On October 03 2026 04:18 Nebuchad wrote:


The difference is that you hate people because of their bad identity and we hate people because of their bad actions.

On October 03 2026 04:17 RJGooner wrote:


This is a funny statement given the topic we're discussing in this thread.

It's been almost exclusively people on the left who are quick to tar Israelis as white colonizers, genocidal baby-killers, apartheid supporters etc. It's the left who are pushing people out of community spaces because they are "Zionists". Of course, these same people are quick to embrace and elevate antizionist Jewish voices despite the fact that they are a clear minority on this topic.

Hate goes both ways.

On October 03 2026 04:28 RJGooner wrote:


That is the story you all tell yourselves, yes.

I suppose I'm not sure what, for example, American or French "zionists" (code for Jews, effectively) did to deserve such hateful rhetoric, discrimination, and in some cases violence (with a spike in all three over the last few years), but maybe you can tell me.

On October 03 2026 04:32 LightSpectra wrote:


Opposing ideologies built upon the exploitation or elimination of people identified as "others" isn't hatred.

Pro-Palestinian voices have been far more censored, brutalized, and falsely accused of supporting bigotry/terrorism in Western countries than Zionist voices.

On October 03 2026 04:54 RJGooner wrote:


Your sense of moral superiority is unwarranted if you won't actually do the work to understand what zionism is and the history behind it.

"Pro-Palestine" voices are the dominant presence in many cultural institutions (NGOs, Hollywood, academia, many governments) so I would argue that the pro-Palestine position is actually more dominant in popular culture. Hence why many Jews feel pushed out of these types of spaces.

As far as the false accusations of supporting bigotry/terrorism, you're right, we shouldn't paint with a broad brush. What I would say is that it's troubling that pro-Palestine marches routinely tolerate people with Hamas/Hezbollah flags, annihilationist rhetoric like "globalize the Intifada", and the platforming of people who view Hamas' actions as heroic resistance rather than the 7th-century barbarism that they actually were.

On October 03 2026 04:43 Nebuchad wrote:


Well for example you're on a forum defending genocide and racism, so that's why I'm not a big fan of you.

On October 03 2026 05:13 RJGooner wrote:


Thank you for demonstrating how bigotry and discrimination based on ignorance and false information can be normalized.

On October 03 2026 05:13 LightSpectra wrote:


You may be on the crest of the Dunning-Kruger line if the only possible explanation you can imagine for why people are disturbed at seeing scores of dead civilians and entire cities in rubble is because they don't know what Zionism is. I mean, if you want to play this game, I could treat you like the idiot you think everyone else is, just reply "google Nakba" and end the conversation there. But maybe we can elevate the discourse a little bit instead?



A lot of university students were accosted by campus security/police, expelled, and imprisoned/deported for standing up for Palestine like Mahmoud Khalil. How many times has that happened to Zionists?

Like, Zionism is grossly unpopular right now and people have been shown real bigotry for defending it, no dispute on that part, but let's not kid ourselves about which side is in power right now.



There are more people retweeting Ben-Gvir's and Smotrich's daily calls for rivers of blood of Palestinians and their children than marchers shouting "Globalize the intifada" by orders of magnitude.

On October 03 2026 05:17 Nebuchad wrote:


How have I discriminated against you?

On October 03 2026 05:54 RJGooner wrote:


Because you think it's ok to label someone as "genocide and racism" supporter based on the fact that they have a different view from you on a conflict in the Middle East. A view you can't seem to understand at all because you don't want to understand it.

On October 03 2026 04:13 dyhb wrote:
Again, I'm asking that you start talking to people unlike you to better understand evangelicals. Not grab two quotes by JD Vance and extrapolate.

I don't think some desire to accelerate the End Times is anything like a mainstream belief among evangelicals. Examples of mainstream beliefs include a religious Jew vs Muslim element behind conflict in the middle east. It includes the "God's People" and same God and shared holy books comraderie from evangelicals towards Jews. Eschatology and millenarianism aint it.

I'm in some agreement with you on Christian values, as evangelicals have broadly stopped making it a precondition for political leaders they support.

For people that think evangelicals support Israel because of some desire to bring about the end times, I suggest spending more time speaking to people that aren't like you. An example is a Sunday at those easy to find mega-churches, either across town or in the next town over.

If this represents "blow all of my free time in the foreseeable future" to you, I suggest taking a break from talking about politics on the internet. Seriously.

The broader trend is probably beyond the topic of this thread, because there is some truth to ingroup-outgroup dynamics as you describe. I'd also say this honestly works both ways: the far left are more welcoming of evangelicals in person, but sour when they come to terms of membership of an abstract group they hate. I don't like either form of otherization. This specific space is more left-wing and secular, so the symptoms of otherization are uneven.