On October 04 2026 06:30 PremoBeats wrote:All of you are forgetting the Arabs and Palestinians living peacefully embedded in Israel's society that Israel doesn't give a fuck about. Hmm, perhaps killing them because they are bad Palestinians and deserve to die isn't really the full story.
I personally don't think it adds anything relevant to this discussion to put on tags on this conflict. I've seen both ends of the political spectrum commit the worst atrocities and even team up when forming coalitions. Partys take 180° turns after a couple of years on "essential and central" policies or topics... you are either an asshole or you're not. The left/right monicker is utterly useless for that, as most people can't think on their own anymore and are simply topic-related opportunists to their tribe.
@Wombat
I think you are right in saying that truly bad stuff can simply be called bad. But isn't that exactly the issue?
That some people might question if ministers actually said heinous things about all Palestinians when the broader context was the attack on Israel or Hamas?
Settlements are probably the clearest example here. But who on this thread is actually defending these?
On October 04 2026 02:56 LightSpectra wrote:
Please, we know the realities of urban warfare. Urban warfare doesn't justify settlers stealing land, houses, and resources from Palestinians. Urban warfare doesn't justify ⅔rds of all journalist warzone deaths happening in Gaza. Urban warfare doesn't justify Ben-Gvir and Smotrich crying for rivers of blood of Arab children and getting shrugged off despite being government ministers.
Who says urban warfare justifies any of that? Who actually made that point? Who even defended the settlements?
It is again a sligh trick to change "explain" to "justify".
You further came at me with the journalist example, ignored all other context and numbers I brought up, but retained the 2/3 thing you found when reading up the argument about the CPJ. That is exactly the selective posting of informations that this thread is plagued by.
But perhaps you simply overlooked the two posts I addressed to you, which showed just how much of an odd-man-out Gaza is:
https://tl.net/forum/general/573090-things-arent-peaceful-in-palestine?page=539#10771Btw: Which Ben-Gvir and Smotrich quotes are you referring to where they "cry for rivers of blood of Arab children"?