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NOTE: When providing a source, please provide a very brief summary on what it's about and what purpose it adds to the discussion. The supporting statement should clearly explain why the subject is relevant and needs to be discussed. Please follow this rule especially for tweets.

Your supporting statement should always come BEFORE you provide the source.
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2754 Posts
February 22 2025 13:43 GMT
#7801
https://www.armenews.com/le-patriarche-de-jerusalem-lance-un-appel-a-netanyahu/

Israelis aim to seize important armenian church property based on their colonial juridic system.
Considering their policies toward any local Christian population, israel will manage to wipe out a 1500 years of armenian presence of the holy city.
Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
1377 Posts
February 25 2025 20:28 GMT
#7802
Lapid, the head of Israel's opposition, laid out their plan for Gaza. Basically Egypt runs it with security help from US/Israel for 15 years well they rebuild and eliminate extremism. Egypt gets a bunch of foreign debt removed in exchange.

“During this period, Gaza will be rehabilitated, and conditions for self-governance will be created. Egypt will be the central player and oversee the reconstruction, which will further strengthen its economy,” Lapid said.


“The external debt of $155 billion does not allow Egypt to rebuild its economy and strengthen its military,” he said.


Under Lapid’s plan, Egypt would allow any Gaza resident who wishes to leave and has a place to go to do so in an orderly manner.

Egypt would work to prevent arms smuggling into Gaza, destroy tunnels, and eliminate remaining terrorist infrastructure.

Lapid said an Egyptian-Israeli-American security mechanism would be established to address immediate threats.

According to Lapid’s office, the opposition leader formulated this plan in recent months with the involvement of senior political and security officials and presented it to senior Trump administration officials at the White House and leading senators during his visit to the US.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/politics/government/lapid-s-post-war-plan-leaves-egypt-in-charge-of-gaza-for-15-years/ar-AA1zLajI?ocid=BingNewsSerp
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43448 Posts
February 25 2025 22:20 GMT
#7803
Did Egypt say yes to this?
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
1377 Posts
February 25 2025 22:30 GMT
#7804
Its coming from the leader of the Israel opposition, so I don't believe even Israel has yes to it.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43448 Posts
February 26 2025 01:36 GMT
#7805
Normally in the opposition when you make promises you’re saying that if elected you will do X with X being something you could reasonably do with the power that you’re asking for. Making manifesto promises that involve commitments from foreign powers seems foolish.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
1377 Posts
February 26 2025 01:45 GMT
#7806
I'm only guessing here, it is too bad the user with intimate Israeli info got attacked till he left, is he is trying to promote himself as "reasonable". With some sort of go forward plan that is not a forever war or ethnic cleansing.

I just found this, Egypt says they are not interested.

Egyptian sources speaking to the Saudi outlet al-Hadath said today (Tuesday) that Egypt has no intention to run or govern the Gaza Strip, contrary to the plan presented by Opposition Leader Yair Lapid today in Washington, DC.


He pointed to historical precedent: Egypt controlled Gaza from 1948 to 1967 under Arab League backing, acting as a temporary custodian for Palestinians. “This is what needs to happen again today,” Lapid argued.



https://www.jfeed.com/news-israel/ss99q1
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9267 Posts
February 26 2025 08:23 GMT
#7807
Maybe it's a "we're going to build a wall and make Mexico pay for it" kind of plan.
You're now breathing manually
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22038 Posts
February 26 2025 09:43 GMT
#7808
On February 26 2025 10:36 KwarK wrote:
Normally in the opposition when you make promises you’re saying that if elected you will do X with X being something you could reasonably do with the power that you’re asking for. Making manifesto promises that involve commitments from foreign powers seems foolish.
That was normal several years ago, nowadays you promise everyone gets a unicorn and it wins you elections.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
1377 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-02-26 13:16:29
February 26 2025 13:15 GMT
#7809
On February 26 2025 17:23 Sent. wrote:
Maybe it's a "we're going to build a wall and make Mexico pay for it" kind of plan.

In the sense that it is a plan that he thinks will be very popular with Israeli's yes. It is the opposite in the sense that the wall plan was a simple plan to a complex problem that had no chance of working even if it was done. This one is a extremely complex plan for a complex solution that maybe would have a chance of working but no chance of actually being done because no one wants to have control of Gaza as it is right now.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12379 Posts
February 27 2025 10:45 GMT
#7810
I realize that everyone who cares already knows, but Israel is planning to stay in Jenin now. They're also demanding that all of southern Syria is demilitarized? Kind of an insane thing to have to defend, it makes sense that it's not reaching the thread.

Guardian
Syria

Closing summary

Hamas official Basem Naim told Al Jazeera that Benjamin Netanyahu is “intentionally sabotaging” the Gaza ceasefire agreement, which looks more fragile than ever after Israel indefinitely delayed the release of over 600 Palestinian prisoners. Netanyahu is “preparing the atmosphere for returning back to the war”, Naim said.

The UN secretary general, Antonio Guterres, said he was “gravely concerned” about “rising violence” in the occupied West Bank after the Israeli military sent tanks into the West Bank for the first time in more than two decades.

The Israeli defence minister, Israel Katz, said the latest raid across the West Bank was expanding, and that troops would remain in the area’s urban hotspots “for the coming year”, meaning approximately 40,000 people displaced by the assault will not be able to return to their homes.

Friedrich Merz, the Conservative + Show Spoiler +
piece of shit
leader who is expected to be Germany’s next chancellor, said Benjamin Netanyahu “can visit” his country despite an arrest warrant for the Israeli prime minister issued by the international criminal court (ICC) for alleged war crimes relating to Israel’s assault on Gaza.
No will to live, no wish to die
Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
1377 Posts
March 04 2025 23:49 GMT
#7811
Arab leaders have approved an 53bn alternative Gaza plan.

It said that “all these efforts are proceeding in parallel with the launch of a political track” towards Palestinian statehood, which Israeli leaders have opposed.

The summit called on Palestinian representation to be unified under the PLO, an umbrella group that is the dominant political force within the PA – and which excludes Hamas.


“We are keen for the success of the summit, and we hope that there will be a call to reject the displacement and to protect the right of our people in resisting the occupation and governing itself away from any custodianship and intervention,” he added.

Hamas also released a statement on Tuesday calling for the Arab League summit in Cairo to “thwart” the relocation of Palestinians from Gaza.

“We look forward to an effective Arab role that ends the humanitarian tragedy created by the occupation in the Gaza Strip … and thwarts the [Israeli] occupation’s plans to displace [Palestinians],” it said.



https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/04/egypt-proposes-53bn-gaza-rebuild-as-alternative-to-trump-plan
Without referring specifically to President Trump's ideas, he underlined that "the Arab stance is to reject any displacement, whether it is voluntary or forced".


This new plan proposes that Gaza would be run, temporarily, by a "Gaza management committee under the umbrella of the Palestinian government" comprised of qualified technocrats.


Some Arab states are known to be calling for the complete dismantling of Hamas; others believe those decisions should be left up to the Palestinians. Hamas is said to have accepted it will not play a role in running Gaza but has made it clear that disarming is a red line.


https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjd32xyjg4eo
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2754 Posts
March 18 2025 08:11 GMT
#7812
On January 20 2025 20:24 stilt wrote:
"Gaza is destroyed and disintegrated, uninhabitable, and it will remain that way. Do not be impressed by the forced joy of our enemies, this is an animal society that sanctifies death and dances on the ruins of its life. Very soon, we will erase their smile again and replace it with cries of grief and the wails of those who were left with nothing."

- Bezalel Smotrich, finance minister of israel



More than 330 deads with a whole society cheering for this.
Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
1377 Posts
March 18 2025 14:17 GMT
#7813
Interesting article on a different way forward for Gaza, unpopular with all according to the Gazan writer. He does however say there is more moderate people in Gaza than people think just they are suppressed.

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2025/03/palestine-israel-pragmatism/682027/


Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
1377 Posts
March 20 2025 00:24 GMT
#7814
Lots of protests over Israel going back to war. Many Israeli's don't want it and believe he is doing it to hold power.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/18/israeli-protesters-say-airstrikes-are-cover-for-benjamin-netanyahu-to-keep-power



Also, I didn't realize I did the paywall article above.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/case-palestinian-pragmatism-110000875.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12379 Posts
March 24 2025 20:12 GMT
#7815
Cool thread from Justin Bonomo for those who don't have Bluesky

"After hundreds of ceasefire violations, Israel has officially terminated the ceasefire agreement. In just the past week since the genocide has resumed:

1) Israel broke their record for the most children massacred in a single day...
2) Israel blew up the only cancer hospital in Gaza. They can't even lie and pretend it was a Hamas base, because Israel was using it as a command center for the IDF.
3) Israel directly targeted and killed beloved journalist Hossam Shabat. At just 24 years old he was killed by a direct strike on his car. Journalist Mohammad Mansour was also killed by an Israeli air strike on his home. His wife and son were also killed.
4) Israel shelled the International Red Cross HQ building in Gaza.
5) Israeli tanks hit several buildings housing UN personnel. They killed a UN worker.
6) Defense Minister Israel Katz issued a chilling statement saying residents of Gaza will face "force you have not known before". He offered to reward the civilians with ethnic cleansing if they overthrow Hamas.
7) Netanyahu was quoted as saying, “destroy homes, bomb with everything you have” after learning ‘only’ 1,500 targets were hit in Gaza.
8) Israel lynched and kidnapped the recent Academy Award winning director of No Other Land Hamdan Ballal simply because he made an honest film about Israelis violently kicking Palestinians out of their homes.
9) All of this comes at the heels of a 3 week mass starvation campaign. Israel has denied all food and aid from entering Gaza.
Ignorance is not an excuse anymore. Israel is engaged in full on genocide, committing virtually every war crime in the book, and the US is funding it."

Since we've experienced people ready to jump at every detail to attack the people who stand against genocide, I'll point out that the attack part of 8) was done by settlers as opposed to by "Israel", which, yeah, I would have worded 8) differently. But the military did take him afterwards.
No will to live, no wish to die
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
March 24 2025 21:04 GMT
#7816
Does one have to sign up to Bluesky to view threads on it? Would be interested in reading up further and that seems a succinct way to do it
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5739 Posts
March 24 2025 21:15 GMT
#7817
On March 25 2025 06:04 WombaT wrote:
Does one have to sign up to Bluesky to view threads on it? Would be interested in reading up further and that seems a succinct way to do it

No, you don't need an account.
Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
1377 Posts
March 27 2025 00:07 GMT
#7818
On March 20 2025 09:24 Billyboy wrote:
Lots of protests over Israel going back to war. Many Israeli's don't want it and believe he is doing it to hold power.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/18/israeli-protesters-say-airstrikes-are-cover-for-benjamin-netanyahu-to-keep-power



Also, I didn't realize I did the paywall article above.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/case-palestinian-pragmatism-110000875.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall


Now protests have broken out in Gaza against Hamas.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/26/middleeast/why-gazans-are-protesting-hamas-now-intl-latam/index.html
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
April 01 2025 16:21 GMT
#7819
Pretty grim reading: AP - ‘Israeli troops killed 15 Palestinian medics and buried them in a mass grave, UN says’

Guess with so much news in so many domains this conflict isn’t punching through like it did a while back, but it’s still there obviously.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3380 Posts
April 03 2025 08:35 GMT
#7820
Remember that ICC arrest warrant for Bibi?
Hungary certainly doesn't as it welcomes Netanyahu.

The way things are going ICC will soon go the way of UN.
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