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On November 06 2020 09:50 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2020 09:48 FlaShFTW wrote:On November 06 2020 09:47 Wegandi wrote:On November 06 2020 09:44 StasisField wrote:On November 06 2020 09:41 Wegandi wrote:On November 06 2020 09:37 farvacola wrote:On November 06 2020 09:36 IyMoon wrote:On November 06 2020 09:35 Wegandi wrote:On November 06 2020 09:23 plasmidghost wrote:On November 06 2020 09:18 IyMoon wrote:
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What did she say? I am not watching MSNBC I'm honestly not surprised a loser like her is trying to say that my rights as a "transsexual" (a word we haven't even used for decades) is one of the reasons why Dems lost working-class voters, like we're not working-class ourselves Whether you are talking guns or ... abortion ... or gay marriage and rights for 'transsexuals' and other people who we as a party 'look after' and make sure they are treated fairly. As we circled the issues, we left some voters behind and Republicans dove in with a vengeance and grabbed those voters You cant be a Democrat if youre pro 2A or anti abortion. Doesnt she know that? Thats where the Dems have gone. (Coincidentally why this myth of compromise is bullshit. Theres almost no overlap with the parties outside foreign policy consensus nowadays) r/liberalgunowner might disagree with you on Pro 2A part. I hate reddit but yes, as a liberal gun owner I can attest to that lol Gun owner =/= pro 2A. If youre for outlawing AR-15s or round restrictions, etc. I find it hard to put someone in the pro 2A camp. Okay, then it sounds like you fundamentally disagree with many others, including myself, on what it means to be pro 2A. EDIT: made the wording clearer. Im for peoples right to own weapons! Except for this one...and this one...this one too...but hey shotguns are ok. 2 round max. Im pro 2A. You are so full of rhetoric it is insane. I guess this means I'm anti-travel because I believe people who use a car should be capable of driving it AKA a drivers license. Well, travelling doesn't require a license. I learned that on the internet.
im a sovereign citizen.
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So according to trump nothing after election day should could but barring a miracle the only way he going to win is if abbstee and votes post marked by the 3rd push him. Seems to me he is going to have trouble arguing both lol.
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On November 06 2020 09:50 FlaShFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2020 09:48 StasisField wrote:On November 06 2020 09:47 Wegandi wrote:On November 06 2020 09:44 StasisField wrote:On November 06 2020 09:41 Wegandi wrote:On November 06 2020 09:37 farvacola wrote:On November 06 2020 09:36 IyMoon wrote:On November 06 2020 09:35 Wegandi wrote:On November 06 2020 09:23 plasmidghost wrote:On November 06 2020 09:18 IyMoon wrote:
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What did she say? I am not watching MSNBC I'm honestly not surprised a loser like her is trying to say that my rights as a "transsexual" (a word we haven't even used for decades) is one of the reasons why Dems lost working-class voters, like we're not working-class ourselves Whether you are talking guns or ... abortion ... or gay marriage and rights for 'transsexuals' and other people who we as a party 'look after' and make sure they are treated fairly. As we circled the issues, we left some voters behind and Republicans dove in with a vengeance and grabbed those voters https://twitter.com/_waleedshahid/status/1324216738465173505 You cant be a Democrat if youre pro 2A or anti abortion. Doesnt she know that? Thats where the Dems have gone. (Coincidentally why this myth of compromise is bullshit. Theres almost no overlap with the parties outside foreign policy consensus nowadays) r/liberalgunowner might disagree with you on Pro 2A part. I hate reddit but yes, as a liberal gun owner I can attest to that lol Gun owner =/= pro 2A. If youre for outlawing AR-15s or round restrictions, etc. I find it hard to put someone in the pro 2A camp. Okay, then it sounds like you fundamentally disagree with many others, including myself, on what it means to be pro 2A. EDIT: made the wording clearer. Im for peoples right to own weapons! Except for this one...and this one...this one too...but hey shotguns are ok. 2 round max. Im pro 2A. Nice strawman. I never said what my stance was or where I drew the line. But keep being a reactionary in this thread. It's going great  His arguments sound like a 15 year old who's watched a little too much Ben Shapiro. Like come on, is this really the line that he's going to take? It is impossible, incomprehensible to him that maybe, you can be supportive of gun rights but you acknowledge there should be common sense laws like, hey maybe you shouldn't be a terrorist when you buy a gun, or maybe you should know how to use a gun, or maybe you shouldn't let a kid have a gun. Guess not, guns should be free for all.
It really is like my intro high school debate class from over a decade ago where we were given baby debate topics like Gun Rights and everyone's arguments were these trash surface level interpretations of the other side. His inability to see nuance in issues is so painful.
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On November 06 2020 09:51 FlaShFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2020 09:50 m4ini wrote:On November 06 2020 09:48 FlaShFTW wrote:On November 06 2020 09:47 Wegandi wrote:On November 06 2020 09:44 StasisField wrote:On November 06 2020 09:41 Wegandi wrote:On November 06 2020 09:37 farvacola wrote:On November 06 2020 09:36 IyMoon wrote:On November 06 2020 09:35 Wegandi wrote:On November 06 2020 09:23 plasmidghost wrote:[quote] I'm honestly not surprised a loser like her is trying to say that my rights as a "transsexual" (a word we haven't even used for decades) is one of the reasons why Dems lost working-class voters, like we're not working-class ourselves [quote] https://twitter.com/_waleedshahid/status/1324216738465173505 You cant be a Democrat if youre pro 2A or anti abortion. Doesnt she know that? Thats where the Dems have gone. (Coincidentally why this myth of compromise is bullshit. Theres almost no overlap with the parties outside foreign policy consensus nowadays) r/liberalgunowner might disagree with you on Pro 2A part. I hate reddit but yes, as a liberal gun owner I can attest to that lol Gun owner =/= pro 2A. If youre for outlawing AR-15s or round restrictions, etc. I find it hard to put someone in the pro 2A camp. Okay, then it sounds like you fundamentally disagree with many others, including myself, on what it means to be pro 2A. EDIT: made the wording clearer. Im for peoples right to own weapons! Except for this one...and this one...this one too...but hey shotguns are ok. 2 round max. Im pro 2A. You are so full of rhetoric it is insane. I guess this means I'm anti-travel because I believe people who use a car should be capable of driving it AKA a drivers license. Well, travelling doesn't require a license. I learned that on the internet. im a sovereign citizen.
Under what authority?
Okay enough poking fun at the disabled now.
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Herman Cain would've voted for trump
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On November 06 2020 09:51 Shingi11 wrote:
So according to trump nothing after election day should could but barring a miracle the only way he going to win is if abbstee and votes post marked by the 3rd push him. Seems to me he is going to have trouble arguing both lol.
The thing is, absentee and votes postmarked by the 3rd pushing Trump is, itself, a miracle. And he'll lose PA even worse if they get counted.
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On November 06 2020 09:50 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2020 09:41 Wegandi wrote:On November 06 2020 09:37 farvacola wrote:On November 06 2020 09:36 IyMoon wrote:On November 06 2020 09:35 Wegandi wrote:On November 06 2020 09:23 plasmidghost wrote:On November 06 2020 09:18 IyMoon wrote:On November 06 2020 09:17 plasmidghost wrote:
Love to hear that loser Claire McCaskill blame me for the Dems being shit at campaigning What did she say? I am not watching MSNBC I'm honestly not surprised a loser like her is trying to say that my rights as a "transsexual" (a word we haven't even used for decades) is one of the reasons why Dems lost working-class voters, like we're not working-class ourselves Whether you are talking guns or ... abortion ... or gay marriage and rights for 'transsexuals' and other people who we as a party 'look after' and make sure they are treated fairly. As we circled the issues, we left some voters behind and Republicans dove in with a vengeance and grabbed those voters https://twitter.com/_waleedshahid/status/1324216738465173505 You cant be a Democrat if youre pro 2A or anti abortion. Doesnt she know that? Thats where the Dems have gone. (Coincidentally why this myth of compromise is bullshit. Theres almost no overlap with the parties outside foreign policy consensus nowadays) r/liberalgunowner might disagree with you on Pro 2A part. I hate reddit but yes, as a liberal gun owner I can attest to that lol Gun owner =/= pro 2A. If youre for outlawing AR-15s or round restrictions, etc. I find it hard to put someone in the pro 2A camp. That is because you're not pro 2a. You choose to ignore the "well regulated" part of it for "reasons". If you actually understood it you could see why I disagree with so many Dem on gun issues since unlike them I'm not pro 2a. But at least we can have a discussion because they use actual facts and definitions.
Why are you using the definition of well regulated from 2020 and not what it meant when that was written? (Hint: it doesnt mean what you think it does)
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On November 06 2020 09:49 Wegandi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2020 09:46 Nevuk wrote:On November 06 2020 09:45 Wegandi wrote:On November 06 2020 09:39 Nevuk wrote:On November 06 2020 09:35 Wegandi wrote:On November 06 2020 09:23 plasmidghost wrote:On November 06 2020 09:18 IyMoon wrote:On November 06 2020 09:17 plasmidghost wrote:
Love to hear that loser Claire McCaskill blame me for the Dems being shit at campaigning What did she say? I am not watching MSNBC I'm honestly not surprised a loser like her is trying to say that my rights as a "transsexual" (a word we haven't even used for decades) is one of the reasons why Dems lost working-class voters, like we're not working-class ourselves Whether you are talking guns or ... abortion ... or gay marriage and rights for 'transsexuals' and other people who we as a party 'look after' and make sure they are treated fairly. As we circled the issues, we left some voters behind and Republicans dove in with a vengeance and grabbed those voters https://twitter.com/_waleedshahid/status/1324216738465173505 You cant be a Democrat if youre pro 2A or anti abortion. Doesnt she know that? Thats where the Dems have gone. (Coincidentally why this myth of compromise is bullshit. Theres almost no overlap with the parties outside foreign policy consensus nowadays) Abortion, sure. 2a not really. The only people calling to completely repeal it are former republicans like Bloomberg or those fed up with "but 2nd amendment means all restrictions are unconstitutional" arguments. There's a difference between "Pro 2a" and "Pro bumpstock", which is where the NRA(and therefore the GOP) currently is. Sanders is an example of someone who frequently gets criticized for having a weaker anti-gun stance than preferred by many democrats. You know Dems used to be members of the NRA (even many serving on their board of directors) in the not too distant past. (By the way the NRA is lukewarm on 2A. They back many restrictions on our gun rights) Then you're not pro 2A. Even the wildly conservative SC has interpreted it to mean that at least *some* restrictions are constitutional. We all ready have a ton of restrictions. At the very least being pro 2A means not advocating even more restrictions.
Why bumpstocks though? They're literally useless for anything except firing at large crowds of people.
No, literally. They make a gun automatic but do so by making them impossible to aim. They can't be used for hunting, they can't be used for sport, they can barely be used for fun. They're how the Las Vegas shooter killed so many people.
Now, to get off this silly topic and onto something... fresher.
Update on yet more dangerous rhetoric from right wing Trump supporters. In this case, it's by far the most deadly and crazy, so you can probably already guess that it came from Steve Bannon.
Bannon Makes Insane Call to Put Fauci and FBI Director’s Heads on Pikes Outside White House as Warning to ‘Federal Bureaucrats’
“Now I actually want to go a step farther but I realize the president is a kind-hearted man and a good man. I’d actually like to go back to the old times of Tudor England, I’d put the heads on pikes, right, I’d put them at the two corners of the White House as a warning to federal bureaucrats. You either get with the program or you’re gone, time to stop playing games. Blow it all up, put Ric Grenell today as the interim head of the FBI, that’ll light them up, right.”
“You know what Steve, just yesterday there was the anniversary of the hanging of two Tories in Philadelphia, these were Quaker businessmen who had co-habitated if you will with the British while they were occupying Philadelphia. These people were hung,” Maxey stated. “This is what we used to do to traitors.”
Bannon then concluded, “That’s how you won the revolution. No one wants to talk about it. The revolution wasn’t some sort of garden party, right? It was a civil war.”
Sebastian Gorka, lunatic of great renown, is also now talking about how they need to "force their way into election centers".
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On November 06 2020 09:53 FlaShFTW wrote:Herman Cain would've voted for trump
He may have given how active dead Herman Cain was, the world may never know
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On November 06 2020 09:54 Wegandi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2020 09:50 JimmiC wrote:On November 06 2020 09:41 Wegandi wrote:On November 06 2020 09:37 farvacola wrote:On November 06 2020 09:36 IyMoon wrote:On November 06 2020 09:35 Wegandi wrote:On November 06 2020 09:23 plasmidghost wrote:On November 06 2020 09:18 IyMoon wrote:On November 06 2020 09:17 plasmidghost wrote:
Love to hear that loser Claire McCaskill blame me for the Dems being shit at campaigning What did she say? I am not watching MSNBC I'm honestly not surprised a loser like her is trying to say that my rights as a "transsexual" (a word we haven't even used for decades) is one of the reasons why Dems lost working-class voters, like we're not working-class ourselves Whether you are talking guns or ... abortion ... or gay marriage and rights for 'transsexuals' and other people who we as a party 'look after' and make sure they are treated fairly. As we circled the issues, we left some voters behind and Republicans dove in with a vengeance and grabbed those voters https://twitter.com/_waleedshahid/status/1324216738465173505 You cant be a Democrat if youre pro 2A or anti abortion. Doesnt she know that? Thats where the Dems have gone. (Coincidentally why this myth of compromise is bullshit. Theres almost no overlap with the parties outside foreign policy consensus nowadays) r/liberalgunowner might disagree with you on Pro 2A part. I hate reddit but yes, as a liberal gun owner I can attest to that lol Gun owner =/= pro 2A. If youre for outlawing AR-15s or round restrictions, etc. I find it hard to put someone in the pro 2A camp. That is because you're not pro 2a. You choose to ignore the "well regulated" part of it for "reasons". If you actually understood it you could see why I disagree with so many Dem on gun issues since unlike them I'm not pro 2a. But at least we can have a discussion because they use actual facts and definitions. Why are you using the definition of well regulated from 2020 and not what it meant when that was written? (Hint: it doesnt mean what you think it does)
You don't think they were forward thinking group of people?
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On November 06 2020 09:53 FlaShFTW wrote:Herman Cain would've voted for trump
Herman Cain also lived in Georgia. Could have used his vote right about now
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On November 06 2020 09:52 StasisField wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2020 09:50 FlaShFTW wrote:On November 06 2020 09:48 StasisField wrote:On November 06 2020 09:47 Wegandi wrote:On November 06 2020 09:44 StasisField wrote:On November 06 2020 09:41 Wegandi wrote:On November 06 2020 09:37 farvacola wrote:On November 06 2020 09:36 IyMoon wrote:On November 06 2020 09:35 Wegandi wrote:On November 06 2020 09:23 plasmidghost wrote:[quote] I'm honestly not surprised a loser like her is trying to say that my rights as a "transsexual" (a word we haven't even used for decades) is one of the reasons why Dems lost working-class voters, like we're not working-class ourselves [quote] https://twitter.com/_waleedshahid/status/1324216738465173505 You cant be a Democrat if youre pro 2A or anti abortion. Doesnt she know that? Thats where the Dems have gone. (Coincidentally why this myth of compromise is bullshit. Theres almost no overlap with the parties outside foreign policy consensus nowadays) r/liberalgunowner might disagree with you on Pro 2A part. I hate reddit but yes, as a liberal gun owner I can attest to that lol Gun owner =/= pro 2A. If youre for outlawing AR-15s or round restrictions, etc. I find it hard to put someone in the pro 2A camp. Okay, then it sounds like you fundamentally disagree with many others, including myself, on what it means to be pro 2A. EDIT: made the wording clearer. Im for peoples right to own weapons! Except for this one...and this one...this one too...but hey shotguns are ok. 2 round max. Im pro 2A. Nice strawman. I never said what my stance was or where I drew the line. But keep being a reactionary in this thread. It's going great His arguments sound like a 15 year old who's watched a little too much Ben Shapiro. Like come on, is this really the line that he's going to take? It is impossible, incomprehensible to him that maybe, you can be supportive of gun rights but you acknowledge there should be common sense laws like, hey maybe you shouldn't be a terrorist when you buy a gun, or maybe you should know how to use a gun, or maybe you shouldn't let a kid have a gun. Guess not, guns should be free for all. It really is like my intro high school debate class from over a decade ago where we were given baby debate topics like Gun Rights and everyone's arguments were these trash surface level interpretations of the other side. His inability to see nuance in issues is so painful.
What is your nuanced position?
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On November 06 2020 09:56 CorsairHero wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2020 09:53 FlaShFTW wrote:Herman Cain would've voted for trump Herman Cain also lived in Georgia. Could have used his vote right about now
Good points!
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Arizona Update: Another thousand votes came in:
Biden lead down to 56k. Not sure where the votes are, like I said, decision desk is how i make my comparisons and they dont have anything yet.
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I just can't get over how it's come down to such a tight race in the middle of this once in a lifetime crisis, which the incumbent still basically refuses to even acknowledge. Even a 240k body count has not swayed his support.
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Yeah I'm still not seeing the value in retreading the same tired arguments with Wegandi from the USPMT. It makes this thread annoying to check for people who are just checking in for quick updates.
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On November 06 2020 10:02 TheYango wrote:
Yeah I'm still not seeing the value in retreading the same tired arguments with Wegandi from the USPMT. It makes this thread annoying to check for people who are just checking in for quick updates.
Bunch of the same 2a arguments we've seen copy pasted word for word before. There are other things to talk about right now.
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Whatever I reiterate my point that democrats wailing about GOP not compromising are themselves not willing to compromise. The political tension in this country is high and people are drifting apart. This isnt some unique thing to the GOP. Shit rings hollow just like Graham re: ACB and Merrick Garland.
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