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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18870 Posts
November 06 2020 00:37 GMT
#3721
On November 06 2020 09:36 IyMoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2020 09:35 Wegandi wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:23 plasmidghost wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:18 IyMoon wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:17 plasmidghost wrote:
Love to hear that loser Claire McCaskill blame me for the Dems being shit at campaigning


What did she say? I am not watching MSNBC

I'm honestly not surprised a loser like her is trying to say that my rights as a "transsexual" (a word we haven't even used for decades) is one of the reasons why Dems lost working-class voters, like we're not working-class ourselves
Whether you are talking guns or ... abortion ... or gay marriage and rights for 'transsexuals' and other people who we as a party 'look after' and make sure they are treated fairly. As we circled the issues, we left some voters behind and Republicans dove in with a vengeance and grabbed those voters




You cant be a Democrat if youre pro 2A or anti abortion. Doesnt she know that? Thats where the Dems have gone. (Coincidentally why this myth of compromise is bullshit. Theres almost no overlap with the parties outside foreign policy consensus nowadays)


r/liberalgunowner might disagree with you on Pro 2A part.

I hate reddit but yes, as a liberal gun owner I can attest to that lol
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22675 Posts
November 06 2020 00:38 GMT
#3722
On November 06 2020 09:34 CorsairHero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2020 09:31 FlaShFTW wrote:
https://twitter.com/baseballot/status/1324509121496915968?s=20

19k total votes outstanding, in absentee and military. Military votes obviously skew Republican, but will Biden get enough? I think if before the provisionals/military that Biden can be ahead by 1-1.5k, he'll have it.

I wonder how much the Russian bounty on American troops issue affected the military votes
Same with Trump abandoning allies in Syria.
I would not be surprised if the military vote is less Republican this go around.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
November 06 2020 00:39 GMT
#3723
On November 06 2020 09:35 Wegandi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2020 09:23 plasmidghost wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:18 IyMoon wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:17 plasmidghost wrote:
Love to hear that loser Claire McCaskill blame me for the Dems being shit at campaigning


What did she say? I am not watching MSNBC

I'm honestly not surprised a loser like her is trying to say that my rights as a "transsexual" (a word we haven't even used for decades) is one of the reasons why Dems lost working-class voters, like we're not working-class ourselves
Whether you are talking guns or ... abortion ... or gay marriage and rights for 'transsexuals' and other people who we as a party 'look after' and make sure they are treated fairly. As we circled the issues, we left some voters behind and Republicans dove in with a vengeance and grabbed those voters


https://twitter.com/_waleedshahid/status/1324216738465173505


You cant be a Democrat if youre pro 2A or anti abortion. Doesnt she know that? Thats where the Dems have gone. (Coincidentally why this myth of compromise is bullshit. Theres almost no overlap with the parties outside foreign policy consensus nowadays)


Abortion, sure. 2a not really. The only people calling to completely repeal it are former republicans like Bloomberg or those fed up with "but 2nd amendment means all restrictions are unconstitutional" arguments.

There's a difference between "Pro 2a" and "Pro bumpstock", which is where the NRA(and therefore the GOP) currently is.

Sanders is an example of someone who frequently gets criticized for having a weaker anti-gun stance than preferred by many democrats.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24444 Posts
November 06 2020 00:40 GMT
#3724
On November 06 2020 09:36 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2020 09:33 FlaShFTW wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:33 Nevuk wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:31 FlaShFTW wrote:
https://twitter.com/baseballot/status/1324509121496915968?s=20

19k total votes outstanding, in absentee and military. Military votes obviously skew Republican, but will Biden get enough? I think if before the provisionals/military that Biden can be ahead by 1-1.5k, he'll have it.

I was reading that as 19k PLUS military etc. votes. Provisionals are going to skew heavily for democrats this year, as the main reason to cast one is if you aren't sure your mail in ballot would arrive on time (or you never got the one you requested).

True. Im just saying that even if Biden takes the lead in Georgia, don't expect a call from any news orgs.

Yep. It's a good thing it looks like it won't come down to GA or NC. FWIW, I think the military vote won't really be particularly republican skewed. His popularity has taken big dips there.

Last military times poll put him 4 points behind Biden, with a 50% unfavorable rating.
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2020/08/31/as-trumps-popularity-slips-in-latest-military-times-poll-more-troops-say-theyll-vote-for-biden/


If we adjust for the MoE side the polls seem to have largely fell on, that's pretty even rather than a Biden advantage.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Wegandi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2455 Posts
November 06 2020 00:41 GMT
#3725
On November 06 2020 09:37 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2020 09:36 IyMoon wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:35 Wegandi wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:23 plasmidghost wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:18 IyMoon wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:17 plasmidghost wrote:
Love to hear that loser Claire McCaskill blame me for the Dems being shit at campaigning


What did she say? I am not watching MSNBC

I'm honestly not surprised a loser like her is trying to say that my rights as a "transsexual" (a word we haven't even used for decades) is one of the reasons why Dems lost working-class voters, like we're not working-class ourselves
Whether you are talking guns or ... abortion ... or gay marriage and rights for 'transsexuals' and other people who we as a party 'look after' and make sure they are treated fairly. As we circled the issues, we left some voters behind and Republicans dove in with a vengeance and grabbed those voters


https://twitter.com/_waleedshahid/status/1324216738465173505


You cant be a Democrat if youre pro 2A or anti abortion. Doesnt she know that? Thats where the Dems have gone. (Coincidentally why this myth of compromise is bullshit. Theres almost no overlap with the parties outside foreign policy consensus nowadays)


r/liberalgunowner might disagree with you on Pro 2A part.

I hate reddit but yes, as a liberal gun owner I can attest to that lol


Gun owner =/= pro 2A. If youre for outlawing AR-15s or round restrictions, etc. I find it hard to put someone in the pro 2A camp.
Thank you bureaucrats for all your hard work, your commitment to public service and public good is essential to the lives of so many. Also, for Pete's sake can we please get some gun control already, no need for hand guns and assault rifles for the public
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
November 06 2020 00:41 GMT
#3726
On November 06 2020 09:40 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2020 09:36 Nevuk wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:33 FlaShFTW wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:33 Nevuk wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:31 FlaShFTW wrote:
https://twitter.com/baseballot/status/1324509121496915968?s=20

19k total votes outstanding, in absentee and military. Military votes obviously skew Republican, but will Biden get enough? I think if before the provisionals/military that Biden can be ahead by 1-1.5k, he'll have it.

I was reading that as 19k PLUS military etc. votes. Provisionals are going to skew heavily for democrats this year, as the main reason to cast one is if you aren't sure your mail in ballot would arrive on time (or you never got the one you requested).

True. Im just saying that even if Biden takes the lead in Georgia, don't expect a call from any news orgs.

Yep. It's a good thing it looks like it won't come down to GA or NC. FWIW, I think the military vote won't really be particularly republican skewed. His popularity has taken big dips there.

Last military times poll put him 4 points behind Biden, with a 50% unfavorable rating.
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2020/08/31/as-trumps-popularity-slips-in-latest-military-times-poll-more-troops-say-theyll-vote-for-biden/


If we adjust for the MoE side the polls seem to have largely fell on, that's pretty even rather than a Biden advantage.

Military times is closer to Selzer than morning consult in polling accuracy. Even if we adjust it, it still would indicate that in an R+4 state, it would only be 54-46 pro trump from the military there.
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10584 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-06 00:43:02
November 06 2020 00:42 GMT
#3727
On November 06 2020 09:40 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2020 09:36 Nevuk wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:33 FlaShFTW wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:33 Nevuk wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:31 FlaShFTW wrote:
https://twitter.com/baseballot/status/1324509121496915968?s=20

19k total votes outstanding, in absentee and military. Military votes obviously skew Republican, but will Biden get enough? I think if before the provisionals/military that Biden can be ahead by 1-1.5k, he'll have it.

I was reading that as 19k PLUS military etc. votes. Provisionals are going to skew heavily for democrats this year, as the main reason to cast one is if you aren't sure your mail in ballot would arrive on time (or you never got the one you requested).

True. Im just saying that even if Biden takes the lead in Georgia, don't expect a call from any news orgs.

Yep. It's a good thing it looks like it won't come down to GA or NC. FWIW, I think the military vote won't really be particularly republican skewed. His popularity has taken big dips there.

Last military times poll put him 4 points behind Biden, with a 50% unfavorable rating.
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2020/08/31/as-trumps-popularity-slips-in-latest-military-times-poll-more-troops-say-theyll-vote-for-biden/


If we adjust for the MoE side the polls seem to have largely fell on, that's pretty even rather than a Biden advantage.

Still good news for Biden, where those votes might've helped Trump, they're more of a no gain for either side.

EDIT: If Selzer is right and the split is about 55/45 for Trump, that's only a 500 vote swing for him with 5k voters.
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TL+ Member
StasisField
Profile Joined August 2013
United States1086 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-06 00:45:59
November 06 2020 00:44 GMT
#3728
On November 06 2020 09:41 Wegandi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2020 09:37 farvacola wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:36 IyMoon wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:35 Wegandi wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:23 plasmidghost wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:18 IyMoon wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:17 plasmidghost wrote:
Love to hear that loser Claire McCaskill blame me for the Dems being shit at campaigning


What did she say? I am not watching MSNBC

I'm honestly not surprised a loser like her is trying to say that my rights as a "transsexual" (a word we haven't even used for decades) is one of the reasons why Dems lost working-class voters, like we're not working-class ourselves
Whether you are talking guns or ... abortion ... or gay marriage and rights for 'transsexuals' and other people who we as a party 'look after' and make sure they are treated fairly. As we circled the issues, we left some voters behind and Republicans dove in with a vengeance and grabbed those voters


https://twitter.com/_waleedshahid/status/1324216738465173505


You cant be a Democrat if youre pro 2A or anti abortion. Doesnt she know that? Thats where the Dems have gone. (Coincidentally why this myth of compromise is bullshit. Theres almost no overlap with the parties outside foreign policy consensus nowadays)


r/liberalgunowner might disagree with you on Pro 2A part.

I hate reddit but yes, as a liberal gun owner I can attest to that lol


Gun owner =/= pro 2A. If youre for outlawing AR-15s or round restrictions, etc. I find it hard to put someone in the pro 2A camp.

Okay, then it sounds like you fundamentally disagree with many others, including myself, on what it means to be pro 2A.

EDIT: made the wording clearer.
What do you mean Immortals can't shoot up?
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10584 Posts
November 06 2020 00:45 GMT
#3729
Not sure if this was reported earlier but I didn't see the Arizona lead being this little:

NYT has the Biden Arizona lead down to 59k
Writer#1 KT and FlaSh Fanboy || Woo Jung Ho Never Forget || Teamliquid Political Decision Desk
TL+ Member
Wegandi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2455 Posts
November 06 2020 00:45 GMT
#3730
On November 06 2020 09:39 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2020 09:35 Wegandi wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:23 plasmidghost wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:18 IyMoon wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:17 plasmidghost wrote:
Love to hear that loser Claire McCaskill blame me for the Dems being shit at campaigning


What did she say? I am not watching MSNBC

I'm honestly not surprised a loser like her is trying to say that my rights as a "transsexual" (a word we haven't even used for decades) is one of the reasons why Dems lost working-class voters, like we're not working-class ourselves
Whether you are talking guns or ... abortion ... or gay marriage and rights for 'transsexuals' and other people who we as a party 'look after' and make sure they are treated fairly. As we circled the issues, we left some voters behind and Republicans dove in with a vengeance and grabbed those voters


https://twitter.com/_waleedshahid/status/1324216738465173505


You cant be a Democrat if youre pro 2A or anti abortion. Doesnt she know that? Thats where the Dems have gone. (Coincidentally why this myth of compromise is bullshit. Theres almost no overlap with the parties outside foreign policy consensus nowadays)


Abortion, sure. 2a not really. The only people calling to completely repeal it are former republicans like Bloomberg or those fed up with "but 2nd amendment means all restrictions are unconstitutional" arguments.

There's a difference between "Pro 2a" and "Pro bumpstock", which is where the NRA(and therefore the GOP) currently is.

Sanders is an example of someone who frequently gets criticized for having a weaker anti-gun stance than preferred by many democrats.


You know Dems used to be members of the NRA (even many serving on their board of directors) in the not too distant past. (By the way the NRA is lukewarm on 2A. They back many restrictions on our gun rights)
Thank you bureaucrats for all your hard work, your commitment to public service and public good is essential to the lives of so many. Also, for Pete's sake can we please get some gun control already, no need for hand guns and assault rifles for the public
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
November 06 2020 00:45 GMT
#3731
On November 06 2020 09:42 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2020 09:40 GreenHorizons wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:36 Nevuk wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:33 FlaShFTW wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:33 Nevuk wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:31 FlaShFTW wrote:
https://twitter.com/baseballot/status/1324509121496915968?s=20

19k total votes outstanding, in absentee and military. Military votes obviously skew Republican, but will Biden get enough? I think if before the provisionals/military that Biden can be ahead by 1-1.5k, he'll have it.

I was reading that as 19k PLUS military etc. votes. Provisionals are going to skew heavily for democrats this year, as the main reason to cast one is if you aren't sure your mail in ballot would arrive on time (or you never got the one you requested).

True. Im just saying that even if Biden takes the lead in Georgia, don't expect a call from any news orgs.

Yep. It's a good thing it looks like it won't come down to GA or NC. FWIW, I think the military vote won't really be particularly republican skewed. His popularity has taken big dips there.

Last military times poll put him 4 points behind Biden, with a 50% unfavorable rating.
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2020/08/31/as-trumps-popularity-slips-in-latest-military-times-poll-more-troops-say-theyll-vote-for-biden/


If we adjust for the MoE side the polls seem to have largely fell on, that's pretty even rather than a Biden advantage.

Still good news for Biden, where those votes might've helped Trump, they're more of a no gain for either side.

EDIT: If Selzer is right and the split is about 55/45 for Trump, that's only a 500 vote swing for him with 5k voters.

It was also done before those reports emerged of him calling war dead "suckers and losers".

I found this tweet but am unsure of the reliability of the individual in question
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
November 06 2020 00:46 GMT
#3732
On November 06 2020 09:45 Wegandi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2020 09:39 Nevuk wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:35 Wegandi wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:23 plasmidghost wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:18 IyMoon wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:17 plasmidghost wrote:
Love to hear that loser Claire McCaskill blame me for the Dems being shit at campaigning


What did she say? I am not watching MSNBC

I'm honestly not surprised a loser like her is trying to say that my rights as a "transsexual" (a word we haven't even used for decades) is one of the reasons why Dems lost working-class voters, like we're not working-class ourselves
Whether you are talking guns or ... abortion ... or gay marriage and rights for 'transsexuals' and other people who we as a party 'look after' and make sure they are treated fairly. As we circled the issues, we left some voters behind and Republicans dove in with a vengeance and grabbed those voters


https://twitter.com/_waleedshahid/status/1324216738465173505


You cant be a Democrat if youre pro 2A or anti abortion. Doesnt she know that? Thats where the Dems have gone. (Coincidentally why this myth of compromise is bullshit. Theres almost no overlap with the parties outside foreign policy consensus nowadays)


Abortion, sure. 2a not really. The only people calling to completely repeal it are former republicans like Bloomberg or those fed up with "but 2nd amendment means all restrictions are unconstitutional" arguments.

There's a difference between "Pro 2a" and "Pro bumpstock", which is where the NRA(and therefore the GOP) currently is.

Sanders is an example of someone who frequently gets criticized for having a weaker anti-gun stance than preferred by many democrats.


You know Dems used to be members of the NRA (even many serving on their board of directors) in the not too distant past. (By the way the NRA is lukewarm on 2A. They back many restrictions on our gun rights)

Then you're not pro 2A. Even the wildly conservative SC has interpreted it to mean that at least *some* restrictions are constitutional.
Wegandi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2455 Posts
November 06 2020 00:47 GMT
#3733
On November 06 2020 09:44 StasisField wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2020 09:41 Wegandi wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:37 farvacola wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:36 IyMoon wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:35 Wegandi wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:23 plasmidghost wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:18 IyMoon wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:17 plasmidghost wrote:
Love to hear that loser Claire McCaskill blame me for the Dems being shit at campaigning


What did she say? I am not watching MSNBC

I'm honestly not surprised a loser like her is trying to say that my rights as a "transsexual" (a word we haven't even used for decades) is one of the reasons why Dems lost working-class voters, like we're not working-class ourselves
Whether you are talking guns or ... abortion ... or gay marriage and rights for 'transsexuals' and other people who we as a party 'look after' and make sure they are treated fairly. As we circled the issues, we left some voters behind and Republicans dove in with a vengeance and grabbed those voters


https://twitter.com/_waleedshahid/status/1324216738465173505


You cant be a Democrat if youre pro 2A or anti abortion. Doesnt she know that? Thats where the Dems have gone. (Coincidentally why this myth of compromise is bullshit. Theres almost no overlap with the parties outside foreign policy consensus nowadays)


r/liberalgunowner might disagree with you on Pro 2A part.

I hate reddit but yes, as a liberal gun owner I can attest to that lol


Gun owner =/= pro 2A. If youre for outlawing AR-15s or round restrictions, etc. I find it hard to put someone in the pro 2A camp.

Okay, then it sounds like you fundamentally disagree with many others, including myself, on what it means to be pro 2A.

EDIT: made the wording clearer.


Im for peoples right to own weapons! Except for this one...and this one...this one too...but hey shotguns are ok. 2 round max. Im pro 2A.
Thank you bureaucrats for all your hard work, your commitment to public service and public good is essential to the lives of so many. Also, for Pete's sake can we please get some gun control already, no need for hand guns and assault rifles for the public
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10584 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-06 00:48:52
November 06 2020 00:48 GMT
#3734
On November 06 2020 09:47 Wegandi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2020 09:44 StasisField wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:41 Wegandi wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:37 farvacola wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:36 IyMoon wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:35 Wegandi wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:23 plasmidghost wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:18 IyMoon wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:17 plasmidghost wrote:
Love to hear that loser Claire McCaskill blame me for the Dems being shit at campaigning


What did she say? I am not watching MSNBC

I'm honestly not surprised a loser like her is trying to say that my rights as a "transsexual" (a word we haven't even used for decades) is one of the reasons why Dems lost working-class voters, like we're not working-class ourselves
Whether you are talking guns or ... abortion ... or gay marriage and rights for 'transsexuals' and other people who we as a party 'look after' and make sure they are treated fairly. As we circled the issues, we left some voters behind and Republicans dove in with a vengeance and grabbed those voters


https://twitter.com/_waleedshahid/status/1324216738465173505


You cant be a Democrat if youre pro 2A or anti abortion. Doesnt she know that? Thats where the Dems have gone. (Coincidentally why this myth of compromise is bullshit. Theres almost no overlap with the parties outside foreign policy consensus nowadays)


r/liberalgunowner might disagree with you on Pro 2A part.

I hate reddit but yes, as a liberal gun owner I can attest to that lol


Gun owner =/= pro 2A. If youre for outlawing AR-15s or round restrictions, etc. I find it hard to put someone in the pro 2A camp.

Okay, then it sounds like you fundamentally disagree with many others, including myself, on what it means to be pro 2A.

EDIT: made the wording clearer.


Im for peoples right to own weapons! Except for this one...and this one...this one too...but hey shotguns are ok. 2 round max. Im pro 2A.

You are so full of rhetoric it is insane.

I guess this means I'm anti-travel because I believe people who use a car should be capable of driving it AKA a drivers license.
Writer#1 KT and FlaSh Fanboy || Woo Jung Ho Never Forget || Teamliquid Political Decision Desk
TL+ Member
StasisField
Profile Joined August 2013
United States1086 Posts
November 06 2020 00:48 GMT
#3735
On November 06 2020 09:47 Wegandi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2020 09:44 StasisField wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:41 Wegandi wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:37 farvacola wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:36 IyMoon wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:35 Wegandi wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:23 plasmidghost wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:18 IyMoon wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:17 plasmidghost wrote:
Love to hear that loser Claire McCaskill blame me for the Dems being shit at campaigning


What did she say? I am not watching MSNBC

I'm honestly not surprised a loser like her is trying to say that my rights as a "transsexual" (a word we haven't even used for decades) is one of the reasons why Dems lost working-class voters, like we're not working-class ourselves
Whether you are talking guns or ... abortion ... or gay marriage and rights for 'transsexuals' and other people who we as a party 'look after' and make sure they are treated fairly. As we circled the issues, we left some voters behind and Republicans dove in with a vengeance and grabbed those voters


https://twitter.com/_waleedshahid/status/1324216738465173505


You cant be a Democrat if youre pro 2A or anti abortion. Doesnt she know that? Thats where the Dems have gone. (Coincidentally why this myth of compromise is bullshit. Theres almost no overlap with the parties outside foreign policy consensus nowadays)


r/liberalgunowner might disagree with you on Pro 2A part.

I hate reddit but yes, as a liberal gun owner I can attest to that lol


Gun owner =/= pro 2A. If youre for outlawing AR-15s or round restrictions, etc. I find it hard to put someone in the pro 2A camp.

Okay, then it sounds like you fundamentally disagree with many others, including myself, on what it means to be pro 2A.

EDIT: made the wording clearer.


Im for peoples right to own weapons! Except for this one...and this one...this one too...but hey shotguns are ok. 2 round max. Im pro 2A.

Nice strawman. I never said what my stance was or where I drew the line. But keep being a reactionary in this thread. It's going great
What do you mean Immortals can't shoot up?
Wegandi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2455 Posts
November 06 2020 00:49 GMT
#3736
On November 06 2020 09:46 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2020 09:45 Wegandi wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:39 Nevuk wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:35 Wegandi wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:23 plasmidghost wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:18 IyMoon wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:17 plasmidghost wrote:
Love to hear that loser Claire McCaskill blame me for the Dems being shit at campaigning


What did she say? I am not watching MSNBC

I'm honestly not surprised a loser like her is trying to say that my rights as a "transsexual" (a word we haven't even used for decades) is one of the reasons why Dems lost working-class voters, like we're not working-class ourselves
Whether you are talking guns or ... abortion ... or gay marriage and rights for 'transsexuals' and other people who we as a party 'look after' and make sure they are treated fairly. As we circled the issues, we left some voters behind and Republicans dove in with a vengeance and grabbed those voters


https://twitter.com/_waleedshahid/status/1324216738465173505


You cant be a Democrat if youre pro 2A or anti abortion. Doesnt she know that? Thats where the Dems have gone. (Coincidentally why this myth of compromise is bullshit. Theres almost no overlap with the parties outside foreign policy consensus nowadays)


Abortion, sure. 2a not really. The only people calling to completely repeal it are former republicans like Bloomberg or those fed up with "but 2nd amendment means all restrictions are unconstitutional" arguments.

There's a difference between "Pro 2a" and "Pro bumpstock", which is where the NRA(and therefore the GOP) currently is.

Sanders is an example of someone who frequently gets criticized for having a weaker anti-gun stance than preferred by many democrats.


You know Dems used to be members of the NRA (even many serving on their board of directors) in the not too distant past. (By the way the NRA is lukewarm on 2A. They back many restrictions on our gun rights)

Then you're not pro 2A. Even the wildly conservative SC has interpreted it to mean that at least *some* restrictions are constitutional.


We all ready have a ton of restrictions. At the very least being pro 2A means not advocating even more restrictions.
Thank you bureaucrats for all your hard work, your commitment to public service and public good is essential to the lives of so many. Also, for Pete's sake can we please get some gun control already, no need for hand guns and assault rifles for the public
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10584 Posts
November 06 2020 00:50 GMT
#3737
On November 06 2020 09:48 StasisField wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2020 09:47 Wegandi wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:44 StasisField wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:41 Wegandi wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:37 farvacola wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:36 IyMoon wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:35 Wegandi wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:23 plasmidghost wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:18 IyMoon wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:17 plasmidghost wrote:
Love to hear that loser Claire McCaskill blame me for the Dems being shit at campaigning


What did she say? I am not watching MSNBC

I'm honestly not surprised a loser like her is trying to say that my rights as a "transsexual" (a word we haven't even used for decades) is one of the reasons why Dems lost working-class voters, like we're not working-class ourselves
Whether you are talking guns or ... abortion ... or gay marriage and rights for 'transsexuals' and other people who we as a party 'look after' and make sure they are treated fairly. As we circled the issues, we left some voters behind and Republicans dove in with a vengeance and grabbed those voters


https://twitter.com/_waleedshahid/status/1324216738465173505


You cant be a Democrat if youre pro 2A or anti abortion. Doesnt she know that? Thats where the Dems have gone. (Coincidentally why this myth of compromise is bullshit. Theres almost no overlap with the parties outside foreign policy consensus nowadays)


r/liberalgunowner might disagree with you on Pro 2A part.

I hate reddit but yes, as a liberal gun owner I can attest to that lol


Gun owner =/= pro 2A. If youre for outlawing AR-15s or round restrictions, etc. I find it hard to put someone in the pro 2A camp.

Okay, then it sounds like you fundamentally disagree with many others, including myself, on what it means to be pro 2A.

EDIT: made the wording clearer.


Im for peoples right to own weapons! Except for this one...and this one...this one too...but hey shotguns are ok. 2 round max. Im pro 2A.

Nice strawman. I never said what my stance was or where I drew the line. But keep being a reactionary in this thread. It's going great

His arguments sound like a 15 year old who's watched a little too much Ben Shapiro. Like come on, is this really the line that he's going to take? It is impossible, incomprehensible to him that maybe, you can be supportive of gun rights but you acknowledge there should be common sense laws like, hey maybe you shouldn't be a terrorist when you buy a gun, or maybe you should know how to use a gun, or maybe you shouldn't let a kid have a gun. Guess not, guns should be free for all.
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
November 06 2020 00:50 GMT
#3738
--- Nuked ---
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
November 06 2020 00:50 GMT
#3739
On November 06 2020 09:48 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2020 09:47 Wegandi wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:44 StasisField wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:41 Wegandi wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:37 farvacola wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:36 IyMoon wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:35 Wegandi wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:23 plasmidghost wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:18 IyMoon wrote:
On November 06 2020 09:17 plasmidghost wrote:
Love to hear that loser Claire McCaskill blame me for the Dems being shit at campaigning


What did she say? I am not watching MSNBC

I'm honestly not surprised a loser like her is trying to say that my rights as a "transsexual" (a word we haven't even used for decades) is one of the reasons why Dems lost working-class voters, like we're not working-class ourselves
Whether you are talking guns or ... abortion ... or gay marriage and rights for 'transsexuals' and other people who we as a party 'look after' and make sure they are treated fairly. As we circled the issues, we left some voters behind and Republicans dove in with a vengeance and grabbed those voters


https://twitter.com/_waleedshahid/status/1324216738465173505


You cant be a Democrat if youre pro 2A or anti abortion. Doesnt she know that? Thats where the Dems have gone. (Coincidentally why this myth of compromise is bullshit. Theres almost no overlap with the parties outside foreign policy consensus nowadays)


r/liberalgunowner might disagree with you on Pro 2A part.

I hate reddit but yes, as a liberal gun owner I can attest to that lol


Gun owner =/= pro 2A. If youre for outlawing AR-15s or round restrictions, etc. I find it hard to put someone in the pro 2A camp.

Okay, then it sounds like you fundamentally disagree with many others, including myself, on what it means to be pro 2A.

EDIT: made the wording clearer.


Im for peoples right to own weapons! Except for this one...and this one...this one too...but hey shotguns are ok. 2 round max. Im pro 2A.

You are so full of rhetoric it is insane.

I guess this means I'm anti-travel because I believe people who use a car should be capable of driving it AKA a drivers license.


Well, travelling doesn't require a license.

I learned that on the internet.
On track to MA1950A.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24444 Posts
November 06 2020 00:51 GMT
#3740
If Wegandi wants to rhetorize people into supporting libertarianism he should go the Yang route imo.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
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