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On November 06 2020 09:14 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2020 09:10 TheYango wrote:On November 06 2020 09:08 farvacola wrote:
Because it's true despite what Wegandi says? Right, but why bother having a pointless argument that's already been had in the USPMT thread 10,000 times over half a decade in a thread that's not about this? If he was going to change his mind, it would have happened one of the previous 9999 times. There's a lot of people reading this thread that never go into any other politics threads, there's at least some merit in picking old fights for new audiences, especially given its connection to the fallout Pelosi is currently dealing with as her legislative election strategy is coming up short.
I’m glad that even with a Biden win Democrats have managed to find a way to blame Progressives/Progressive policy. 
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For an operation that was pre-planned for months - Endless complaining about mail-in ballots / Slowing down the postal system / Denying states from counting mail-in votes early, thus insuring the democrat favoring votes being counted late - All to create the false idea of legally casted democrat votes being fraud, it doesn't feel like the payoff is good with this sad speech.
I wonder which strategist thought it out.
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On November 06 2020 09:08 pmh wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2020 08:49 KwarK wrote:On November 06 2020 08:49 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
He sounds like he's admitting defeat... He's not, he's insisting it's fraud. Hes more convincing then i thought he would be and i can see people buying it. No questions allowed,he ended with anticipating the legal battle.
How is it convincing to make claim after claim while providing no evidence at all? It's not someone giving a sermon on religion, he is making very serious allegations without evidence.
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On November 06 2020 09:17 plasmidghost wrote:
Love to hear that loser Claire McCaskill blame me for the Dems being shit at campaigning
What did she say? I am not watching MSNBC
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Of course the media pointing out the obvious lies will not convince a single person that didn't already know that they are obvious lies.
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On November 06 2020 09:14 TheTenthDoc wrote:
I'd say it must suck being the lawyers for Trump's campaign but I think they're probably compensated well enough to make up for it. Its been 4 years of Trump. They knew what they signed up for when they accepted the job.
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On November 06 2020 09:17 Starlightsun wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2020 09:08 pmh wrote:On November 06 2020 08:49 KwarK wrote:On November 06 2020 08:49 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
He sounds like he's admitting defeat... He's not, he's insisting it's fraud. Hes more convincing then i thought he would be and i can see people buying it. No questions allowed,he ended with anticipating the legal battle. How is it convincing to make claim after claim while providing no evidence at all? It's not someone giving a sermon on religion, he is making very serious allegations without evidence.
I'm honestly shocked he's mostly making claims based on no evidence rather than claims that easily proven false. More than I expected from him.
On November 06 2020 09:17 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
For an operation that was pre-planned for months - Endless complaining about mail-in ballots / Slowing down the postal system / Denying states from counting mail-in votes early, thus insuring the democrat favoring votes being counted late - All to create the false idea of legally casted democrat votes being fraud, it doesn't feel like the payoff is good with this sad speech.
I wonder which strategist thought it out.
I'm really not sure. It has the marks of being from Trump (because it doesn't work and betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of government) but it's a bit complex.
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On November 06 2020 09:12 Shingi11 wrote:
Alabama police chief telling them to put a bullet in Biden supports skulls.
I for one cant think of anything more patriotic then calling for the murder of my fellow American.
That so fucked up.
When the police starts turning against what they view as political opponents.... thats a bad sign.
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On November 06 2020 09:17 Starlightsun wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2020 09:08 pmh wrote:On November 06 2020 08:49 KwarK wrote:On November 06 2020 08:49 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
He sounds like he's admitting defeat... He's not, he's insisting it's fraud. Hes more convincing then i thought he would be and i can see people buying it. No questions allowed,he ended with anticipating the legal battle. How is it convincing to make claim after claim while providing no evidence at all? It's not someone giving a sermon on religion, he is making very serious allegations without evidence.
you're not his intended audience, just like no one expects to convince Wegandi that Pelosi is a centrist.
making very serious allegations without evidence I'm optimistic that matters to ~half of his supporters.
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On November 06 2020 09:17 Starlightsun wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2020 09:08 pmh wrote:On November 06 2020 08:49 KwarK wrote:On November 06 2020 08:49 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
He sounds like he's admitting defeat... He's not, he's insisting it's fraud. Hes more convincing then i thought he would be and i can see people buying it. No questions allowed,he ended with anticipating the legal battle. How is it convincing to make claim after claim while providing no evidence at all? It's not someone giving a sermon on religion, he is making very serious allegations without evidence.
Because for people who buy into it the evidence of his claims are the results of the election.
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On November 06 2020 09:10 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2020 09:08 farvacola wrote:
Because it's true despite what Wegandi says? Right, but why bother having a pointless argument that's already been had in the USPMT 10,000 times over half a decade in a thread that's not about this? If he was going to change his mind, it would have happened one of the previous 9999 times.
The parties have drifted apart. Theres no such thing as a centrist that overlap with the other party anymore (I think last one of any notoriety left is Manchin for the D's and Murkowski/Romney for the GOP) Did you happen to know there was a time Democrats were on the NRA board and were able to hold pro-2A positions? That to me would indicate centrism. (See: someone like Bill Brewster in the 90s)
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On November 06 2020 09:20 KungKras wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2020 09:12 Shingi11 wrote:
Alabama police chief telling them to put a bullet in Biden supports skulls.
I for one cant think of anything more patriotic then calling for the murder of my fellow American. That so fucked up. When the police starts turning against what they view as political opponents.... thats a bad sign.
They should forbid him from ever carrying a gun again.
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United States10584 Posts
https://twitter.com/gtryan/status/1324507212945985543?s=20
Clayton county is the last county to be counted with a real number of votes in Georgia. Initial votes point to Biden managing to push over the top, but there's nothing saying that the 86% gains by Biden will be sustainable.
As it stands, they estimate 7k votes left in Clayton. If Biden wins 80% (4:1) he will take the lead (4.2k vote gain)
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On November 06 2020 09:10 FragKrag wrote:
even Fox News is going "uh we have no evidence of fraud..."
ya I've been watching some fox today and while there are some exceptions, and while they pay more homage to the 'there's something screwed up about how they've denied observers entry', I think they're overall taking their job pretty seriously here. Granted I haven't watched Hannity, and last night Tucker was batshit insane, but even the five had a couple 'this is bullshit from trump'.
I think for many of the reluctant trumpy republicans, this is reasonably close to an ideal result anyway, and I think the fox apparatus has a larger % of those than what the case is for the overall republican base. They got the court victories, they seem to hold on to senate, Biden doesn't have a great mandate, and with Trump losing, they can hope to get rid of him.
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On November 06 2020 09:23 plasmidghost wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2020 09:18 IyMoon wrote:On November 06 2020 09:17 plasmidghost wrote:
Love to hear that loser Claire McCaskill blame me for the Dems being shit at campaigning What did she say? I am not watching MSNBC I'm honestly not surprised a loser like her is trying to say that my rights as a "transsexual" (a word we haven't even used for decades) is one of the reasons why Dems lost working-class voters, like we're not working-class ourselves Show nested quote +Whether you are talking guns or ... abortion ... or gay marriage and rights for 'transsexuals' and other people who we as a party 'look after' and make sure they are treated fairly. As we circled the issues, we left some voters behind and Republicans dove in with a vengeance and grabbed those voters
Wait, we dont say transsexual? What do we say? Have I been fucking this up for years?
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On November 06 2020 09:25 IyMoon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2020 09:23 plasmidghost wrote:On November 06 2020 09:18 IyMoon wrote:On November 06 2020 09:17 plasmidghost wrote:
Love to hear that loser Claire McCaskill blame me for the Dems being shit at campaigning What did she say? I am not watching MSNBC I'm honestly not surprised a loser like her is trying to say that my rights as a "transsexual" (a word we haven't even used for decades) is one of the reasons why Dems lost working-class voters, like we're not working-class ourselves Whether you are talking guns or ... abortion ... or gay marriage and rights for 'transsexuals' and other people who we as a party 'look after' and make sure they are treated fairly. As we circled the issues, we left some voters behind and Republicans dove in with a vengeance and grabbed those voters https://twitter.com/_waleedshahid/status/1324216738465173505 Wait, we dont say transsexual? What do we say? Have I been fucking this up for years?
transgender im pretty sure is the proper word
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On November 06 2020 09:18 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2020 09:14 TheTenthDoc wrote:
I'd say it must suck being the lawyers for Trump's campaign but I think they're probably compensated well enough to make up for it. Its been 4 years of Trump. They knew what they signed up for when they accepted the job.
Hopefully they negotiated that they get paid by the RNC and not Trump's campaign. (He has a history of stiffing lawyers, which is hilarious given how litigious he is).
On November 06 2020 09:14 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2020 09:10 TheYango wrote:On November 06 2020 09:08 farvacola wrote:
Because it's true despite what Wegandi says? Right, but why bother having a pointless argument that's already been had in the USPMT thread 10,000 times over half a decade in a thread that's not about this? If he was going to change his mind, it would have happened one of the previous 9999 times. There's a lot of people reading this thread that never go into any other politics threads, there's at least some merit in picking old fights for new audiences, especially given its connection to the fallout Pelosi is currently dealing with as her legislative election strategy is coming up short.
The people whining about losing were doing some strange attacks.
Why attack Pelosi about socialism and defund the police? She didn't back those things, and can't actually do jackshit to AOC or her group about it. She can't eject her from the caucus or strip her from the party. And the house gained squad members (there are at least two new DSA candidates who have won : Jamaal Bowman and Cori Bush, and some of the squad ALREADY weren't in the DSA) so it's really not to her benefit to alienate them.
If Pelosi attacks AOC, I think she loses the speakership.
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