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Northern Ireland26799 Posts
On November 06 2020 10:05 Wegandi wrote:
Whatever I reiterate my point that democrats wailing about GOP not compromising are themselves not willing to compromise. The political tension in this country is high and people are drifting apart. This isnt some unique thing to the GOP. Shit rings hollow just like Graham re: ACB and Merrick Garland.
Why would you compromise with the GOP and what on, what are you getting out of that arrangement?
The President can’t even tucking concede an election like a man. After 4 years of well, we know what.
If your strategy is rampant obstructionism and we’re at this point we are today, either rebuild the shambles of a party to a point where mutual compromise is not just pragmatic, but in the interests of the populace at large.
Or don’t and continue down the current path and we’ll see where that goes.
Inb4 the Dems are partisan too, well no shit.
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United States10402 Posts
PA UPDATE: 61k lead now for trump. Another 9k votes that came in from Bucks county that closed the gap by another 2-3k, meaning Biden won that 9k 2:1 roughly.
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So are we going into another day of these states still counting? Seems like it.
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On November 06 2020 10:27 ShoCkeyy wrote:
So are we going into another day of these states still counting? Seems like it.
PA will most definitely have another day of counting, Arizona and Nevada anticipate that they wont have their results in until tomorrow morning.
Georgia might get flipped tonight though. I feel Clayton results coming soon.
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Northern Ireland26799 Posts
On November 06 2020 10:27 ShoCkeyy wrote:
So are we going into another day of these states still counting? Seems like it.
Godamnit I just cracked open a beer hoping to get over the line 
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United States10402 Posts
On November 06 2020 10:27 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2020 10:27 ShoCkeyy wrote:
So are we going into another day of these states still counting? Seems like it. Godamnit I just cracked open a beer hoping to get over the line
guess you just gotta drink more 
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If Georgia's counting mail-ins (not provisionals) tomorrow, something's gone wrong.
PA will definitely still be counting tomorrow I think unless they go until 3AM and even that will not be enough.
NV is trying to hide that they're a Biden lock for some reason and is thus holding off on counting/announcing counts.
AZ is probably also counting into tomorrow unless this 9PM vote dump is huge.
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On November 06 2020 10:08 StasisField wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2020 09:56 Wegandi wrote:On November 06 2020 09:52 StasisField wrote:On November 06 2020 09:50 FlaShFTW wrote:On November 06 2020 09:48 StasisField wrote:On November 06 2020 09:47 Wegandi wrote:On November 06 2020 09:44 StasisField wrote:On November 06 2020 09:41 Wegandi wrote:On November 06 2020 09:37 farvacola wrote:On November 06 2020 09:36 IyMoon wrote:
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r/liberalgunowner might disagree with you on Pro 2A part. I hate reddit but yes, as a liberal gun owner I can attest to that lol Gun owner =/= pro 2A. If youre for outlawing AR-15s or round restrictions, etc. I find it hard to put someone in the pro 2A camp. Okay, then it sounds like you fundamentally disagree with many others, including myself, on what it means to be pro 2A. EDIT: made the wording clearer. Im for peoples right to own weapons! Except for this one...and this one...this one too...but hey shotguns are ok. 2 round max. Im pro 2A. Nice strawman. I never said what my stance was or where I drew the line. But keep being a reactionary in this thread. It's going great  His arguments sound like a 15 year old who's watched a little too much Ben Shapiro. Like come on, is this really the line that he's going to take? It is impossible, incomprehensible to him that maybe, you can be supportive of gun rights but you acknowledge there should be common sense laws like, hey maybe you shouldn't be a terrorist when you buy a gun, or maybe you should know how to use a gun, or maybe you shouldn't let a kid have a gun. Guess not, guns should be free for all. It really is like my intro high school debate class from over a decade ago where we were given baby debate topics like Gun Rights and everyone's arguments were these trash surface level interpretations of the other side. His inability to see nuance in issues is so painful. What is your nuanced position? I'm glad you asked. As a leftist (aka not a liberal), I am pro 2A and believe it is a necessary tool for the people in case the government becomes oppressive and authoritarian in its rule. I also believe the background check loophole ought to be closed and that mental healthcare should be expanded in the country to limit the number of mass shootings. I am open to access to certain guns and certain modifications possibly being regulated or even banned, but I don't know for certain what guns or modifications I would regulate or ban, as I am not knowledgeable enough on the issue to make a definitive statement. So yes, I'm fine with people's rights to own guns. In fact, I encourage it. I think it is a necessary tool for the people, but I think we need to make sure the people who have access to them are well adjusted human beings who can be trusted with them, and I think the best way to minimize the number of people who slip through the cracks is a combination of better mental healthcare and better background check laws. I am open to possibly restricting and even banning certain firearms and modifications but I do not know of any right now that I am convinced, based on data and information, should actually be banned. That's quite a far cry from "Im for peoples right to own weapons! Except for this one...and this one...this one too...but hey shotguns are ok. 2 round max. Im pro 2A." Like you claimed earlier in this thread.
Fair enough. I assume the loophole youre referring to is people buying weapons at gun shows? Thats reasonable enough.
Just for the record we have a significant # of weapons that are banned (peruse the 34, 68, and 86 gun control acts). If people used data to ban guns they'd advocate to ban handguns not rifles (hand guns are by far responsible for the most deaths, homicides, robberies, etc.).
Personally, as an intrinsic right I don't believe data should have any bearing on what is "allowed" or not. A right is a right. Your position is at least someone willing to compromise though. Like you could have a reasonable conversation of say let's revoke the 1986 gun control act and in exchange we'll cap Pentagon budget to 3% GDP in non-war time (as defined by active engagements with a Declaration of War from congress).
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On November 06 2020 10:24 FlaShFTW wrote:
PA UPDATE: 61k lead now for trump. Another 9k votes that came in from Bucks county that closed the gap by another 2-3k, meaning Biden won that 9k 2:1 roughly.
JK the lead is now 58k. No idea where the vote is, I'm taking screenshots now every time there's an update to the county list and nothing moved except Bucks County, so I guess it looks more like a 5k gain which implys 7k for Biden and 2k for Trump or a 78% gain.
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On November 06 2020 10:28 TheTenthDoc wrote:
If Georgia's counting mail-ins (not provisionals) tomorrow, something's gone wrong.
PA will definitely still be counting tomorrow I think unless they go until 3AM and even that will not be enough.
NV is trying to hide that they're a Biden lock for some reason and is thus holding off on counting/announcing counts.
AZ is probably also counting into tomorrow unless this 9PM vote dump is huge.
I think Nevada is legitimately worried about being sued or attacked by y'allqaeda
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United States10402 Posts
On November 06 2020 10:28 TheTenthDoc wrote:
If Georgia's counting mail-ins (not provisionals) tomorrow, something's gone wrong.
PA will definitely still be counting tomorrow I think unless they go until 3AM and even that will not be enough.
NV is trying to hide that they're a Biden lock for some reason and is thus holding off on counting/announcing counts.
AZ is probably also counting into tomorrow unless this 9PM vote dump is huge.
Nevada trying to cover AP and FOX ass right now lol I bet they got some emails from them asking them to hold off and trying to get Arizona in first.
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In totally non-presidential news, the Dem Senate candidate is making the bold claim they believe they will win Alaska once the remaining 44.6% of the ballots there are counted.
I am not sure this claim is very credible or what it's really based on. But if it happens it would be...a pretty big deal.
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On November 06 2020 10:24 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2020 10:05 Wegandi wrote:
Whatever I reiterate my point that democrats wailing about GOP not compromising are themselves not willing to compromise. The political tension in this country is high and people are drifting apart. This isnt some unique thing to the GOP. Shit rings hollow just like Graham re: ACB and Merrick Garland. Why would you compromise with the GOP and what on, what are you getting out of that arrangement? The President can’t even tucking concede an election like a man. After 4 years of well, we know what. If your strategy is rampant obstructionism and we’re at this point we are today, either rebuild the shambles of a party to a point where mutual compromise is not just pragmatic, but in the interests of the populace at large. Or don’t and continue down the current path and we’ll see where that goes. Inb4 the Dems are partisan too, well no shit.
Cory Booker and Rand Paul re: criminal justice? Maybe you get dems OK with tax cuts and lower tax rates for some environmental thing or w/e? But thats the thing neither side will ever allow a budge on any position. Id happily sign off on axing oil subsidies to lower marginal income rates of all brackets by 25%.
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Thank you, yikes. A fitting end I suppose.
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United States10402 Posts
On November 06 2020 10:31 TheTenthDoc wrote:
In totally non-presidential news, the Dem Senate candidate is making the bold claim they believe they will win Alaska once the remaining 44.6% of the ballots there are counted.
I am not sure this claim is very credible or what it's really based on. But if it happens it would be...a pretty big deal.
what. this is... really out there lol
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I will lose my fucking mind if we're still counting ballots tomorrow evening.
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On November 06 2020 10:32 FlaShFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2020 10:31 TheTenthDoc wrote:
In totally non-presidential news, the Dem Senate candidate is making the bold claim they believe they will win Alaska once the remaining 44.6% of the ballots there are counted.
I am not sure this claim is very credible or what it's really based on. But if it happens it would be...a pretty big deal. what. this is... really out there lol
The only reason I give it even a shred of credibility is because it would be fucking nuts to make it without knowing *something* above and beyond public knowledge.
But maybe the guy is just nuts, I have no idea who he is. 
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Here's the body of a campaign email I just received from Eric Trump (lol)
Votes are still coming in from TRUMP COUNTRY, and the Democrats know that the only way they can win this Election is to undermine the system.
We’ve seen it from Day ONE:
We’ve found ballots in drainage ditches
They’re not letting our poll watchers inside
There are videos of them passing out collateral material in polling sites all over Philadelphia
It is my belief that they will try to MANIPULATE THIS ELECTION, which is why I’m reaching out to you today.
We need to hold the line, and to do that, we need the resources to FIGHT BACK. My father wants YOU to contribute to our Official Election Defense Fund so that we can protect the integrity of our Election and win FOUR MORE YEARS.
When it comes to such a CRITICAL fight, every minute matters. That’s why if you step up in the NEXT HOUR, your contribution will make 1000% more of an impact.
Please contribute ANY AMOUNT IMMEDIATELY to the Official Election Defense Fund and to increase your impact by 1000%. >>
No one who belongs to the intended audience knows what collateral means, what the hell lol
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We're still gonna be counting ballots a week from now due to NC, but I think we'll have declared results tomorrow early afternoon EST.
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On November 06 2020 10:34 farvacola wrote:Here's the body of a campaign email I just received from Eric Trump (lol) Show nested quote +Votes are still coming in from TRUMP COUNTRY, and the Democrats know that the only way they can win this Election is to undermine the system.
We’ve seen it from Day ONE:
We’ve found ballots in drainage ditches
They’re not letting our poll watchers inside
There are videos of them passing out collateral material in polling sites all over Philadelphia
It is my belief that they will try to MANIPULATE THIS ELECTION, which is why I’m reaching out to you today.
We need to hold the line, and to do that, we need the resources to FIGHT BACK. My father wants YOU to contribute to our Official Election Defense Fund so that we can protect the integrity of our Election and win FOUR MORE YEARS.
When it comes to such a CRITICAL fight, every minute matters. That’s why if you step up in the NEXT HOUR, your contribution will make 1000% more of an impact.
Please contribute ANY AMOUNT IMMEDIATELY to the Official Election Defense Fund and to increase your impact by 1000%. >>
I almost admire how dedicated they are to the grift. "Official Election Defense Fund..." more like "my dad's legal defense fund."
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