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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45048 Posts
August 09 2024 06:47 GMT
#2821
On August 06 2024 05:28 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
If Tuesday goes as Tuesday October 20 1987 did then I am more confident in my observation that this marks a point of inflection for the US economy.

My favourite 'black' day for 1987 was Black Sunday February the 15th.
This black Monday stuff is depressing although not surprising or shocking by any means. People should've been reacting to the clear signals the past several weeks.

Show nested quote +
On August 06 2024 05:02 KwarK wrote:
Buffett’s Apple position ... Diversification is one of his core principles.
A
s you can prolly surmise from previous posts...
When Warren Buffet talks.. I listen.

I hope things go well on Tuesday.


Looks like both the Dow Jones and the S&P500 already completely recovered the small losses from a few days ago.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
pawansharma
Profile Joined August 2024
2 Posts
August 17 2024 08:59 GMT
#2822
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IsraelWilliams
Profile Joined August 2024
15 Posts
August 21 2024 02:14 GMT
#2823
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18115 Posts
August 21 2024 06:57 GMT
#2824
On August 21 2024 11:14 IsraelWilliams wrote:
What do you think will happen with SOlana until 2025? Most of my portfolio is solana, I really believe in it

It's crypto. It may rise to the stratosphere, or it may cease to exist tomorrow because it was a scam all along. My bet is that the entire crypto bubble is going to come crashing down sooner rather than later. So yeah, good luck with that.
pebble444
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Italy2498 Posts
August 29 2024 00:11 GMT
#2825
On August 21 2024 11:14 IsraelWilliams wrote:
What do you think will happen with SOlana until 2025? Most of my portfolio is solana, I really believe in it


Solana is generally solid; but you have to wait until at least 2040, because then governments will be using crypto instead of eur/usd. People are not yet ready for digital only interaction in payments. Of course you will always have an underground economy even there, so your portfolio can never be truly safe. Diversify, diversify, and again diversify, to keep you capital safe. One bad egg can ruin the basket, so get yourself many baskets, that way even if one rots, you can turn to another one
"Awaken my Child, and embrace the Glory that is your Birthright"
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium4957 Posts
August 29 2024 07:19 GMT
#2826
I think majority of transaction are now cashless, so you're bullshitting me when you say "people are not ready for digital only transaction in payments". It's all about barrier to entry and if there is one instance that has an incentive to get people to get money flowing it's financial institutions.
Paying with your phone or paying contactless are such massive changes in the direction of making cash completely irrelevant, it's actually quite insane how fast society has adapted to these changes.
Taxes are for Terrans
pebble444
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Italy2498 Posts
September 06 2024 06:13 GMT
#2827
On August 29 2024 16:19 Uldridge wrote:
I think majority of transaction are now cashless, so you're bullshitting me when you say "people are not ready for digital only transaction in payments". It's all about barrier to entry and if there is one instance that has an incentive to get people to get money flowing it's financial institutions.
Paying with your phone or paying contactless are such massive changes in the direction of making cash completely irrelevant, it's actually quite insane how fast society has adapted to these changes.


A barrier for me when paying with contactless is commissions. More than once I have been asked if I could pay with paper or coin money, because of establishments paying a commission on the transaction. shopowners argue that when paying with cash there is 0 commission. Some places have signs that do not allow to pay for network mobile provider recharges with card, because the commission is more than the amount they make.
Not to mention some establishments flat out refuse to get a machine that allows customers to pay anything other than cash. Those are generally very old people set in their ways.

So it’s not only about the viability, commodity and convenience
That makes cashless payments a thing everywhere, it’s about about people’ s mentality towards it.
"Awaken my Child, and embrace the Glory that is your Birthright"
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11630 Posts
September 06 2024 10:27 GMT
#2828
On September 06 2024 15:13 pebble444 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2024 16:19 Uldridge wrote:
I think majority of transaction are now cashless, so you're bullshitting me when you say "people are not ready for digital only transaction in payments". It's all about barrier to entry and if there is one instance that has an incentive to get people to get money flowing it's financial institutions.
Paying with your phone or paying contactless are such massive changes in the direction of making cash completely irrelevant, it's actually quite insane how fast society has adapted to these changes.


A barrier for me when paying with contactless is commissions. More than once I have been asked if I could pay with paper or coin money, because of establishments paying a commission on the transaction. shopowners argue that when paying with cash there is 0 commission. Some places have signs that do not allow to pay for network mobile provider recharges with card, because the commission is more than the amount they make.
Not to mention some establishments flat out refuse to get a machine that allows customers to pay anything other than cash. Those are generally very old people set in their ways.

So it’s not only about the viability, commodity and convenience
That makes cashless payments a thing everywhere, it’s about about people’ s mentality towards it.


You bring up some common points about card payments, which are especially common here in Germany. I think they are generally incorrect. Firstly, people make out card payments as way more expensive then they actually are. I can find a card service provider who takes 1.39% without any additional charges on a quick google, and some more who provide other payment plans which may be better depending on your exact customer situation.

Furthermore, dealing with cash also isn't free. It takes a lot of work (and workers cost money), and it has some risks (being scammed, being robbed, ...)

However, as far as i know, these are usually just fake arguments used to distract from the real reason. The actual reason some businesses, especially restaurant owners, don't want you using cards is tax evasion. It is very easy to just not report cash payments for tax purposes. You cannot really do that on card payments.
iRdhzejYF
Profile Joined December 2024
1 Post
December 09 2024 19:47 GMT
#2829
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AustinMay
Profile Joined September 2020
1 Post
Last Edited: 2024-12-16 23:15:03
December 13 2024 12:16 GMT
#2830
I came across this thread and had to chime in. I mess around with stocks and crypto too, but I’m more into the long-term stuff—less pressure for me.
One thing I’ve learned is how important it is to have a solid plan, whether it’s for trading or pitching ideas.
If you’re working on bigger projects, getting good at narrative building for startups can really help—it’s all about making your ideas click with the right people.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23469 Posts
January 28 2025 00:10 GMT
#2831
Thoughts on Nvidia losses today?

Nvidia lost $589 billion in market capitalization Monday, which is by far the single greatest one-day value wipeout of any company in history, more than doubling the $279 billion market cap lost by none other than Nvidia on Sept. 3, 2024 (Meta’s $251 billion loss Feb. 3, 2022 is the third-biggest daily loss).

Nvidia’s nearly $600 billion market cap loss Monday is larger than the individual market values of all but 13 American companies, more than the market cap of titans like health insurer UnitedHealth, oil giant Exxon Mobil and retailer Costco.
www.forbes.com

That seems structurally problematic to me?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24740 Posts
January 28 2025 00:40 GMT
#2832
If a company can lose nearly $600 billion in one day, then it was too big. Just like how a single American losing $100 billion doesn't sound like a problem to me. We don't need people that rich.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43222 Posts
January 28 2025 01:58 GMT
#2833
On January 28 2025 09:10 GreenHorizons wrote:
Thoughts on Nvidia losses today?

Show nested quote +
Nvidia lost $589 billion in market capitalization Monday, which is by far the single greatest one-day value wipeout of any company in history, more than doubling the $279 billion market cap lost by none other than Nvidia on Sept. 3, 2024 (Meta’s $251 billion loss Feb. 3, 2022 is the third-biggest daily loss).

Nvidia’s nearly $600 billion market cap loss Monday is larger than the individual market values of all but 13 American companies, more than the market cap of titans like health insurer UnitedHealth, oil giant Exxon Mobil and retailer Costco.
www.forbes.com

That seems structurally problematic to me?

Nvidia didn’t lose anything. The projected valuation of all shares combined based on the most recently traded price projected across the entire supply changed. Nothing about the company has changed.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23469 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-01-28 02:29:50
January 28 2025 02:28 GMT
#2834
On January 28 2025 10:58 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2025 09:10 GreenHorizons wrote:
Thoughts on Nvidia losses today?

Nvidia lost $589 billion in market capitalization Monday, which is by far the single greatest one-day value wipeout of any company in history, more than doubling the $279 billion market cap lost by none other than Nvidia on Sept. 3, 2024 (Meta’s $251 billion loss Feb. 3, 2022 is the third-biggest daily loss).

Nvidia’s nearly $600 billion market cap loss Monday is larger than the individual market values of all but 13 American companies, more than the market cap of titans like health insurer UnitedHealth, oil giant Exxon Mobil and retailer Costco.
www.forbes.com

That seems structurally problematic to me?

Nvidia didn’t lose anything. The projected valuation of all shares combined based on the most recently traded price projected across the entire supply changed. Nothing about the company has changed.

Oh (I know what market cap is), I didn't mean structurally problematic to Nvidia. I meant structurally problematic to the US economy. That a company can shed more than an Exxon Mobil is worth in market cap in a day while "nothing about the company has changed".

That would seem to me to point to a bigger structural problem, even if this particular event isn't especially problematic on its own.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24740 Posts
January 28 2025 02:33 GMT
#2835
You mean the market cap of Tesla isn't a perfect measure of its value to the human race?

Yeah the valuation of companies on the stock market is bonkers and will come back to bite us in the form of a recession or depression once again.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14047 Posts
January 28 2025 21:02 GMT
#2836
The US stock market is sitting at somewhere in the 70% range for total global stock value. If anyone thinks that the stocks aren't already inflated they're lieing to you or ignorant.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
CuddlyCuteKitten
Profile Joined January 2004
Sweden2649 Posts
January 28 2025 21:06 GMT
#2837
On January 29 2025 06:02 Sermokala wrote:
The US stock market is sitting at somewhere in the 70% range for total global stock value. If anyone thinks that the stocks aren't already inflated they're lieing to you or ignorant.


I sold 50% of my US stocks (and some of the global funds too) 3 weeks ago precisely because of this. No real idea where to put it now tho. :D
waaaaaaaaaaaooooow - Felicia, SPF2:T
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43222 Posts
January 28 2025 22:52 GMT
#2838
On January 29 2025 06:02 Sermokala wrote:
The US stock market is sitting at somewhere in the 70% range for total global stock value. If anyone thinks that the stocks aren't already inflated they're lieing to you or ignorant.

There are errors with that logic. The American soft drink companies are Coca Cola and Pepsi. The European ones are also Coca Cola and Pepsi. When you buy those you’re not just buying exposure to American companies.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
T1Tony
Profile Joined May 2024
15 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-03-06 19:59:09
February 14 2025 01:26 GMT
#2839
Who else thinks real estate investments are the best? Of course, considering all factors like safety, stability, taxes, risks, and profit.

Six years ago, I bought two houses in Vail, and their value has skyrocketed since then, even without counting the rental income, which is pretty solid in that area. You might say I was lucky to invest before COVID, but real estate prices have almost never gone down. It’s a steady, upward trend.

For anyone interested, I worked with Vail real estate experts at Summit Colorado Realty. I highly recommend them, I never had any issues.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43222 Posts
February 14 2025 01:37 GMT
#2840
There’s a lot that can be said here about leverage, diversification, monetary policy, asset bubbles, and appropriate benchmarking for evaluating success.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
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