Husky, one of the pioneers of SC2 esports, has seemingly closed his YouTube channel.
Husky gained notoriety during the SC2 Beta when he hosted the HDH Invitational. The HDH Invitational could be considered the most influential pre-release tournament and introduced a plethora of fans to Starcraft 2. Husky produced a lot of content while he was active and in particular produced the 'Bronze League Heroes' series.
Some of Husky's content lives on through other channels on YouTube. For instance, Pylo the Pylon Song:
Husky moved away from producing Starcraft content roughly 5 years ago as he moved into a managing/director/producer role for Rosanna Pansino.
Update: August 14th
Husky has posted an ominous "Soon" message to his facebook.
husky was an awesome entry point to pro starcraft. it's a little harder to watch his casts now that i know more about the game, but he was a lot of fun and brought a lot of positivity to SC which i think it sorely lacks these days.
anyway, because i know they're coming, can we skip the dumb posts where people call him a "traitor" for not "updating his fans on his career" or whatever? or does every thread have to be about shitting on something?
It is a sad day. Remember watching him casting some BW and saying that he would continue casting even if no one was which content, since he enjoyed it so much.
Anyway thanks for the enjoyable times back in 2009/2010/2011 Husky!
On August 13 2018 19:46 Garbels wrote: I don't know anything about the youtube sphere. What would be the point of closing a channel? Is there a lot of upkeep(work) or legal worries?
Some people have speculated that in light of recent events over the last several years he may have felt like some of his old videos could possibly have contained some kind of liability, anything that he would not want to be associated with anymore. He was a very big YouTube gaming channel at the time - something that people in the post-Pewdiepie era might not realize - but his girlfriend's channel which he's managing and whose shows he's producing is much bigger. The speculation is that he wouldn't want the risk of it being jeopardized by some disgruntled troll with too much time on their hands finding an instance from 2010 of this immature nerd dude having said something in one of his silly SC videos that could be considered questionable by today's (in this case today is a hypothetical near future) standards.
On August 13 2018 19:48 brickrd wrote: husky was an awesome entry point to pro starcraft. it's a little harder to watch his casts now that i know more about the game, but he was a lot of fun and brought a lot of positivity to SC which i think it sorely lacks these days.
anyway, because i know they're coming, can we skip the dumb posts where people call him a "traitor" for not "updating his fans on his career" or whatever? or does every thread have to be about shitting on something?
Well luckily this is TeamLiquid where the staff have some standards, not /r/starcraft where that iBleedorange imbecile even joined in the dogpile against Husky instead of doing his job as a moderator.
On August 13 2018 19:48 brickrd wrote: husky was an awesome entry point to pro starcraft. it's a little harder to watch his casts now that i know more about the game, but he was a lot of fun and brought a lot of positivity to SC which i think it sorely lacks these days.
anyway, because i know they're coming, can we skip the dumb posts where people call him a "traitor" for not "updating his fans on his career" or whatever? or does every thread have to be about shitting on something?
The fact is the guy didn't even say good bye to his community and fans, I never really followed him or cared but it seems to me very disrespectful by him.
But seriously it's kind of a strange move to erase all of his video, I can't see even the trolliest of troll giving a shit about the husband of a youtube semi-celebrity, nothing against her she's having a big succes but she dosen't seems nearly big enough to have to worry about a "scandal" comming from so far away from her. Anyhow he/they probably know best and he does what he want with his creation.
On August 13 2018 20:25 Nakajin wrote: In other news: Slayer Yugioh anounce retirement
But seriously it's kind of a strange move to erase all of his video, I can't see even the trolliest of troll giving a shit about the husband of a youtube semi-celebrity, nothing against her she's having a big succes but she dosen't seems nearly big enough to have to worry about a "scandal" comming from so far away from her. Anyhow he/they probably know best and he does what he want with his creation.
Man I agree that it seems like a strange move and don't even necessarily believe it's for the best, but to be honest your post seems a little bit out of touch with the reality of YouTube (and Twitch but that isn't directly relevant here) nowadays.
Not even nowadays. It seems no one remember orb anymore, he was a streamer back in Wings of Liberty, not pro level but better at the game than a lot of the casters at the time who tried his hand at casting some Korean online tournaments (ESV Weekly maybe? doesn't matter). Anyway he was fairly small fry even compared to Rotti and Khaldor at the time, only a few hundred concurrent viewers before he became part of the official ESV cast. And then someone dug up some VODs from his personal stream where he raged in-game and said some fairly offensive things and that's all it took for his prospects as a caster or SC content creator to be over. Not saying it was undeserved, but it's something that happened within our very own community, to someone who was literally thousands of times less relevant than Husky by any conceivable metric.
When you're a YouTube channel that gets tens of millions of views every week, the risk is a lot greater. Hell with some of the comments I've seen regarding this (and on past occasions) on /r/starcraft I'm almost more inclined to side with him, we have some really fucked up, entitled and frankly disgusting people here and there in our community. Not to mention every single caster in this scene has been shit on at some point, either for not being good enough at the game (lol) or for daring to try out and play other games (double lol).
But yeah more to address your actual post, there have been tons of YouTubers and streamers who got harassed and doxxed for very little despite having had much smaller fanbases. Hell one of Husky's own friends some 5 or 6 years back had a problem with an obsessive stalker trying to harass her in all sorts of ways simply because she was a woman and he had a crush on her.
On August 13 2018 20:25 Nakajin wrote: In other news: Slayer Yugioh anounce retirement
But seriously it's kind of a strange move to erase all of his video, I can't see even the trolliest of troll giving a shit about the husband of a youtube semi-celebrity, nothing against her she's having a big succes but she dosen't seems nearly big enough to have to worry about a "scandal" comming from so far away from her. Anyhow he/they probably know best and he does what he want with his creation.
Man I agree that it seems like a strange move and don't even necessarily believe it's for the best, but to be honest your post seems a little bit out of touch with the reality of YouTube (and Twitch but that isn't directly relevant here) nowadays.
Not even nowadays. It seems no one remember orb anymore, he was a streamer back in Wings of Liberty, not pro level but better at the game than a lot of the casters at the time who tried his hand at casting some Korean online tournaments (ESV Weekly maybe? doesn't matter). Anyway he was fairly small fry even compared to Rotti and Khaldor at the time, only a few hundred concurrent viewers before he became part of the official ESV cast. And then someone dug up some VODs from his personal stream where he raged in-game and said some fairly offensive things and that's all it took for his prospects as a caster or SC content creator to be over. Not saying it was undeserved, but it's something that happened within our very own community, to someone who was literally thousands of times less relevant than Husky by any conceivable metric.
When you're a YouTube channel that gets tens of millions of views every week, the risk is a lot greater. Hell with some of the comments I've seen regarding this (and on past occasions) on /r/starcraft I'm almost more inclined to side with him, we have some really fucked up, entitled and frankly disgusting people here and there in our community. Not to mention every single caster in this scene has been shit on at some point, either for not being good enough at the game (lol) or for daring to try out and play other games (double lol).
But yeah more to address your actual post, there have been tons of YouTubers and streamers who got harassed and doxxed for very little despite having had much smaller fanbases. Hell one of Husky's own friends some 5 or 6 years back had a problem with an obsessive stalker trying to harass her in all sorts of ways simply because she was a woman and he had a crush on her.
Ya I probably should not have to much faith in the internet
We just gonna be quiet on the fact that the community crucified him because some people didn't like his casting and people started online petitions to keep him from casting at premier events. The community treated him like garbage and he got out at the first good opportunity. Good man.
Considering the age of his channel content, he probably wasn't making any more money on it so it only exists as a liability. Closing the channel is the only logical decision.
Haters gonna hate, but Husky was good for Starcraft 2.
On August 13 2018 20:54 GreasedUpDeafGuy wrote: We just gonna be quiet on the fact that the community crucified him because some people didn't like his casting and people started online petitions to keep him from casting at premier events. The community treated him like garbage and he got out at the first good opportunity. Good man.
So much this lol, the community threw garbage even on skilled eSports professionals like djWHEAT and ReDeYe who had been doing this at the highest level long before the stupid teens on /r/starcraft had ever heard of eSports (don't forget most of these problematic fans never actually played or followed Brood War, never forget this fact). Why? Because they were Gold in-game and not Diamond, or because they dared to also cast other games which is simply part of their job description.
It's really one of the most entitled and childish communities out there when you view it from this lens, and again I can't stress enough that the people who are the most toxic and vocal about these issues are also the ones who ironically enough belong here the least, certainly less than the people they try so desperately to disparage.
On August 13 2018 19:48 brickrd wrote: husky was an awesome entry point to pro starcraft. it's a little harder to watch his casts now that i know more about the game, but he was a lot of fun and brought a lot of positivity to SC which i think it sorely lacks these days.
anyway, because i know they're coming, can we skip the dumb posts where people call him a "traitor" for not "updating his fans on his career" or whatever? or does every thread have to be about shitting on something?
The fact is the guy didn't even say good bye to his community and fans, I never really followed him or cared but it seems to me very disrespectful by him.
It's common sense.
There exists a climate of fear today in which you can be crucified for breaking rules that didn't exist when you broke them.
Husky made his 2010 content by 2010 rules, but that doesn't shield him from being judged by post #metoo standards, where an off-colour joke can ruin is his career (see Al Franken). He's still active as a manager, so I imagine he just can't be bothered to deal with the headache of a shrieking hate-mob going at him because he made a mildly offensive joke in one of his videos nearly a decade ago.
Look at TB, even his In Memoriam thread wasn't safe from hateful little trolls who are still upset because he didn't 100% distance himself from some nerds who were mean to a woman once.
On August 13 2018 20:54 GreasedUpDeafGuy wrote: We just gonna be quiet on the fact that the community crucified him because some people didn't like his casting and people started online petitions to keep him from casting at premier events. The community treated him like garbage and he got out at the first good opportunity. Good man.
So much this lol, the community threw garbage even on skilled eSports professionals like djWHEAT and ReDeYe who had been doing this at the highest level long before the stupid teens on /r/starcraft had ever heard of eSports (don't forget most of these problematic fans never actually played or followed Brood War, never forget this fact). Why? Because they were Gold in-game and not Diamond, or because they dared to also cast other games which is simply part of their job description.
It's really one of the most entitled and childish communities out there when you view it from this lens, and again I can't stress enough that the people who are the most toxic and vocal about these issues are also the ones who ironically enough belong here the least, certainly less than the people they try so desperately to disparage.
You know, when I saw this thread I half expected it to be filled with comments about him being a piece of shit. I always liked him back in the beta and I thought it sucked how he was treated. I'm glad it sounds like he found something that's working out for him. The first time I saw SlayerS_BoxeR playing SC2 was on his channel and it got me STOKED for the upcoming SC2 pro scene in Korea. I even remember wishing that Tastosis was a bit more entertaining like Husky in the early days (does anyone else remember how tragically lost Tasteless seemed for like the first year of GSL?).
Anyway, I seriously wish this guy all the best. Him closing his channel is a shame, but I trust he has a reason that makes sense to him and that's all I need.
Husky and HD kinda disappeared.. was really weird to see them just leave without much of a goodbye. IIRC HDstarcraft just stopped posting videos in the middle of a series, just said i'l see you next time for game 3 and didn't come back
On August 13 2018 21:50 Cyro wrote: Husky and HD kinda disappeared.. was really weird to see them just leave without much of a goodbye. IIRC HDstarcraft just stopped posting videos in the middle of a series, just said i'l see you next time for game 3 and didn't come back
I really missed HD Starcraft for a while, loved his content.
On August 13 2018 21:55 ninjamyst wrote: Bronze League Heroes was hilarious. Isn't he still dating Rosanna Pansino, who has a net worth of 10+ million dollars from her youtube channnel?
Not just dating, he has a managerial and production role in her YouTube channel and has had it for a long time. The channel's success is the result of their combined efforts.
Huh... Loved his videos, same with a lot of my friends, I used to watch and now my sibling watches a lot of Ro. Sad all those video are gone (in whatever capacity), but GLHF to both of them.
I'm a person who believes a celebrity isn't obligated to act a certain way to please his or her fan. After all, it's his or her life and he or she can do what he or she wants. Nobody forces an audience to watch him or her.
Still, that being said, it does feel a bit rude of him to drop off unannounced, especially since he occasionally makes a Twitter post related to Starcraft. At the same time, it isn't surprising since has hasn't uploaded a video in a very long time.
I don't really have anything to say about his "disappearance" anymore because that's so long ago at this point. But both his channels and all the VODs getting deleted is very sad to me, I enjoyed rewatching those every now and again.
He was a cool dude, helped me get into sc2 when I was still very much a hardcore bw elitist. Maybe not the most polished caster, but his enthusiasm and his side stuff was great. All the great times I had watching Code S, etc. are because of him, so I wish him well.
On August 13 2018 21:31 hobbyistGamedev wrote:Look at TB, even his In Memoriam thread wasn't safe from hateful little trolls who are still upset because he didn't 100% distance himself from some nerds who were mean to a woman once.
i don't think it's fair to compare TB to Husky here. a lot of the backlash against TB was related to him simply being rude to people who had done nothing but question or disagree with him, and many times it had nothing to do with gamergate or any of that. in fact, one time i personally witnessed was on Husky's channel, where a fan had asked Husky "would you consider uploading these videos to your second channel?" and TB himself showed up and replied to the fan basically telling him to fuck off and that Husky "doesn't have to do anything fans say". so whatever your views on TB or gamergate, it's not accurate to suggest the only negative views of him come from gamergate or social justice
not meaning to shit on TB soon after sad events, but i'm just trying to paint a fair and accurate picture here, and i don't think it's fair not to credit Husky for actually being a really nice, polite guy, which TB was not.
anyway, yeah, like people have said: starcraft fans treat their own like shit. it's because of the illusion that starcraft somehow equates to intelligence or value as a person - every one of us has had some kid on ladder tell us that we're "worthless" and to "get cancer" because of how we played a game. it's that exact mentality that pushed Husky out of the scene. he was a great guy and great for the game, and didn't deserve to be shit on based on "game knowledge." honestly, sometimes the whole SC2 scene feels like a clusterfuck of people trying to compete over who "knows the game best." who cares?
On August 13 2018 22:21 BruMeister wrote: I'm a person who believes a celebrity isn't obligated to act a certain way to please his or her fan. After all, it's his or her life and her or she can do what he or she wants. Nobody forces an audience to watch him or her.
Still, that being said, it does feel a bit rude of him to drop off unannounced, especially since he occasionally makes a Twitter post related to Starcraft. At the same time, it isn't surprising since has hasn't uploaded a video in a very long time.
I wonder if he will change his Twitter handle.
it's unfortunate, and it would have certainly been nice if he had been able to explain things better. however, i think anyone who watched husky could sense that he was a bit of an awkward guy who didn't like confrontation and probably didn't like to feel like he was letting people down, so i can understand why he would take the back door out.
also, even if he did something "wrong" in the way he stepped down, the response is not proportionate. when people say that him leaving without a word proves he's a piece of shit or that he never cared/only cares about money that's ludicrous. handling one situation imperfectly shouldn't be license for the public to declare you a greedy sociopath
On August 13 2018 21:31 hobbyistGamedev wrote: Look at TB, even his In Memoriam thread wasn't safe from hateful little trolls who are still upset because he didn't 100% distance himself from some nerds who were mean to a woman once.
i'm no expert in this area so if someone knows better please correct me....
i think people are claiming TBs criticisms "inspired" some crazy people to act like idiots and harass people on twitter and social media. Therefore TB is responsible for "weaponizing" these people. Nevermind that TB never met these crazy people and this group of random idiots thousands of kilometres away is just looking for any excuse and rationalization it can find to stir up trouble.
if someone has a better handle on why TB is getting labelled as a bad person after his death please correct or add to this. its a pretty sensitive subject.
Are you really asking someone to post to describe the personality flaws of TB, when TL cracks down pretty hard on such especially now that he is deceased?
nope, i'm requesting the RATIONALIZATION TB critics are using to create unfair criticisms and total smear jobs on TB.
TB was sometimes rude on TL, however, he brought so much cool stuff to the SC2 community I didn't care. We butted heads a couple of times on an anonymous forum board. meh, I don't care. TB was great. Was he rude to me online a couple of times? ya. Does it matter? no.
On August 13 2018 21:31 hobbyistGamedev wrote: Look at TB, even his In Memoriam thread wasn't safe from hateful little trolls who are still upset because he didn't 100% distance himself from some nerds who were mean to a woman once.
i'm no expert in this area so if someone knows better please correct me....
i think people are claiming TBs criticisms "inspired" some crazy people to act like idiots and harass people on twitter and social media. Therefore TB is responsible for "weaponizing" these people. Nevermind that TB never met these crazy people and this group of random idiots thousands of kilometres away is just looking for any excuse and rationalization it can find to stir up trouble.
if someone has a better handle on why TB is getting labelled as a bad person after his death please correct or add to this. its a pretty sensitive subject.
The reason why TB is getting labelled as a bad person after his death is because there are (a disturbing amount of) people on the internet who choose to live in an echo chamber where they only see and believe what they want to, with no regard for facts or objectivity, and once they are entrenched in their ignorant and fallacious positions it's impossible to reason with them. They saw whatever petty and pathetic narrative their own kind pushed against TB and never tried to question it or see for themselves how much good TB and his content have actually done for gaming. Let alone how many times and how consistently he has spoken out against the notion of using your fanbase as a mob or to "brigade" things, to do damage. He explicitly led his channel and social media in a way that tried to distance himself from his audience exactly to prevent the very things that these blind and ignorant buffoons are accusing him of.
On August 13 2018 21:31 hobbyistGamedev wrote: Look at TB, even his In Memoriam thread wasn't safe from hateful little trolls who are still upset because he didn't 100% distance himself from some nerds who were mean to a woman once.
i'm no expert in this area so if someone knows better please correct me....
i think people are claiming TBs criticisms "inspired" some crazy people to act like idiots and harass people on twitter and social media. Therefore TB is responsible for "weaponizing" these people. Nevermind that TB never met these crazy people and this group of random idiots thousands of kilometres away is just looking for any excuse and rationalization it can find to stir up trouble.
if someone has a better handle on why TB is getting labelled as a bad person after his death please correct or add to this. its a pretty sensitive subject.
The reason why TB is getting labelled as a bad person after his death is because there are (a disturbing amount of) people on the internet who choose to live in an echo chamber where they only see and believe what they want to, with no regard for facts or objectivity, and once they are entrenched in their ignorant and fallacious positions it's impossible to reason with them. They saw whatever petty and pathetic narrative their own kind pushed against TB and never tried to question it or see for themselves how much good TB and his content have actually done for gaming. Let alone how many times and how consistently he has spoken out against the notion of using your fanbase as a mob or to "brigade" things, to do damage. He explicitly led his channel and social media in a way that tried to distance himself from his audience exactly to prevent the very things that these blind and ignorant buffoons are accusing him of.
On August 13 2018 23:05 JimmyJRaynor wrote: nope, i'm requesting the RATIONALIZATION TB critics are using to create unfair criticisms and total smear jobs on TB.
TB was sometimes rude on TL, however, he brought so much cool stuff to the SC2 community I didn't care. We butted heads a couple of times on an anonymous forum board. meh, I don't care. TB was great. Was he rude to me online a couple of times? ya. Does it matter? no.
Well the key point here is that you sound like a reasonably well adjusted person from this anecdote, whereas a lot of people online nowadays will hold a grudge for years if they ever feel something slights them and poison the well against anything and everything related to that person or content. I guess I'm trying to say "congratulations, you're not insane!" lol.
On August 13 2018 23:03 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Are you really asking someone to post to describe the personality flaws of TB, when TL cracks down pretty hard on such especially now that he is deceased?
personally i try to be respectful when i post about criticisms of TB, and i understand that his recent passing changes the rules, but i don't like the idea of it being permanently off-limits to even suggest that he may have been a flawed person. i would understand if a mod came in and said "no TB criticism chat so soon after his death," but if one of his main patron communities can never ever have an open discussion about who he was as a person then it's not much of a community.
On August 13 2018 23:05 JimmyJRaynor wrote: nope, i'm requesting the RATIONALIZATION TB critics are using to create unfair criticisms and total smear jobs on TB.
TB was sometimes rude on TL, however, he brought so much cool stuff to the SC2 community I didn't care. We butted heads a couple of times on an anonymous forum board. meh, I don't care. TB was great. Was he rude to me online a couple of times? ya. Does it matter? no.
Well the key point here is that you sound like a reasonably well adjusted person from this anecdote, whereas a lot of people online nowadays will hold a grudge for years if they ever feel something slights them and poison the well against anything and everything related to that person or content. I guess I'm trying to say "congratulations, you're not insane!" lol.
relative to my real life friends i know 1000X more about RTS than they do. These are some nice people, however, I can't really learn much from them about RTS.
i learn about RTS on TL by jumping into discussions and being wrong sometimes.
No, we just got to accept that there is a hidden rule that we can't really criticise sc2 media personalities, or at the least if we do, the odds will be stacked against the poster if that sc2 media personality or mods weigh in. An by stacked I mean mod action. We just got to accept that whilst you can freely speak your mind in real life, we cannot on TL. All it'll take is one mod to be offended. To invite others to do so in TL, is just to ask them to give themselves an opportunity to be moderated.
None of this has anything to do with Husky though. Husky never acted in a particularily offensive manner, so it's quite sad that essentially a part of SC2 history and videos are now closed to us forever. I enjoyed quite a few of his videos.
I doubt there’s much actual risk of his youtube channel harming his career seeing as the starcraft community is still fine with Stephano... (Also, TB received criticism largely for his role in a large internet harassment campaign and hate movement known as “gamergate”, but perhaps you have never heard of it. I’m sure many will disagree as to his culpability in said movement, but that’s a disagreement you have with targets of gamergate that have talked about how TBs actions hurt them and others)
Aside from some videos here and there, I don't believe I ever watched much of his videos back then. Still, it's a loss to the SCII community nonetheless.
On August 13 2018 23:20 Dangermousecatdog wrote: No, we just got to accept that there is a hidden rule that we can't really criticise sc2 media personalities, or at the least if we do, the odds will be stacked against the poster if that sc2 media personality or mods weigh in. An by stacked I mean mod action. We just got to accept that whilst you can freely speak your mind in real life, we cannot on TL. All it'll take is one mod to be offended. To invite others to do so in TL, is just to ask them to give themselves an opportunity to be moderated.
None of this has anything to do with Husky though. Husky never acted in a particularily offensive manner, so it's quite sad that essentially a part of SC2 history and videos are now closed to us forever. I enjoyed quite a few of his videos.
If you have concerns about TL moderation, please take it to website feedback. Not really the best thread for this.
I like that people delete social media accounts if they don't use it anymore. There are plenty facebook/instagram accounts that hasn't been updated (not a single post/picture) for 1+years.
I deleted many accounts when I don't use it anymore. I am sure there are many TL accounts that are offline for 1+ years.
Are the Nerd Alert songs gone too ???? Those were the best !
and as far Husky goes , he has no respect for his fan base. If he wanted to quit sc2 casting and work on his career with Ro I don't think anyone would fault him for it , especially his fans and sc2 community at large.
He just disappeared to do that without dropping a retirement video, a tweet , a facebook post, anything to indicate that he is moving away from sc2 and perhaps thank you note for the support......but no , he doesn't believe his fans who stood by him for years deserve any of that shit and I think that's very disrespectful , again I don't believe any of his fans would've faulted him for droping sc2 casting to help with Ro and his career.
Note: I know some people will argue that person X in general doesn't owe fans anything , but I disagree , its a matter of principle.
But im not gonna lie , he had some damn GREAT casts , his presence in the beginning was really good for sc2 , cant deny that.
I don't think there ever was any "offensive" material on his channel, I don't get why people are assuming he deleted it because he was fearing for his carreer? Is there any evidence to this or are people just wild guessing? Don't think this thread needs to derail even further because of these assumptions...
On August 13 2018 23:38 Dingodile wrote: I like that people delete social media accounts if they don't use it anymore. There are plenty facebook/instagram accounts that hasn't been updated (not a single post/picture) for 1+years.
I deleted many accounts when I don't use it anymore. I am sure there are many TL accounts that are offline for 1+ years.
The only thing I find confusing is that, I assume, these old-videos still create some form of revenue. Obviously they're not getting hundreds of thousands of views anymore, but aren't people still watching legacy content?
Anyways, he must have decided his time and peace of mind are worth more than those couple of hundred bucks a year.
No hard feelings at any rate.
On August 13 2018 23:46 HsDLTitich wrote: I don't think there ever was any "offensive" material on his channel, I don't get why people are assuming he deleted it because he was fearing for his carreer? Is there any evidence to this or are people just wild guessing? Don't think this thread needs to derail even further because of these assumptions...
Because you're judging his 2010 content by 2010 standards, which obviously isn't the way it's done anymore.
On August 13 2018 23:03 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Are you really asking someone to post to describe the personality flaws of TB, when TL cracks down pretty hard on such especially now that he is deceased?
personally i try to be respectful when i post about criticisms of TB, and i understand that his recent passing changes the rules, but i don't like the idea of it being permanently off-limits to even suggest that he may have been a flawed person. i would understand if a mod came in and said "no TB criticism chat so soon after his death," but if one of his main patron communities can never ever have an open discussion about who he was as a person then it's not much of a community.
The thing is honestly that a lot of TL posters are ignorant in the sense that they only see and know one side of TB (that in which he interacted with the StarCraft scene) and his detractors here on TL tend to tunnel vision on that obsessively while ignoring everything else about him.
What do you think there is to say about his "personality" that hasn't already been said? The man has admitted publicly, many times in the past, of all his various character flaws and what toll interacting with trolls and detractors on social media has taken on him. It's all there in the public eye, it's always been there, there's nothing new under the sun. Would it really give you that much satisfaction to reiterate what we all already know and what he has never tried to hide from his audience or the public at large?
Instead, if you have even one ounce of good faith and aren't just flamebaiting here with your offtopic, I would genuinely and sincerely suggest that you educate yourself as to what good he and his channel did to gaming outside of StarCraft.
I discovered TB through his StarCraft content and though I didn't care much for his casting at the time, nor for his playing, I did care for the majority of his YouTube content. Because he was the first YouTuber of any significant size whose content catered to me as a PC gamer, whose content catered to me as a rational, adult gamer, as someone who isn't easily entertained by teenagers screaming over footage of Amnesia: The Dark Descent or by some blithering imbecile screaming and cursing into the camera. And the longer I followed him the more aware and confident he became in the fact that he caters to a mature audience and not to kids, and as a result the more mature and thorough his approach and content became.
He was the first notable gaming pundit or YouTuber to thoroughly and explicitly dissect notions of journalistic integrity in gaming, to advocate for consumer rights in gaming to a large degree, to call out companies and other entities whenever they did things that were insidiously against consumer interests. Not to mention the fact that many of his videos on more serious topics within the industry simply advocated for and epitomized good old critical thinking, oft forgotten in the slag pits of NeoGAF, GameFAQs and /r/games. He didn't just do these things, his video essays and the discussions he had and moderated on his podcast were so thorough and structured in such a way that it was impossible for a reasonable gaming enthusiast not to understand why X thing is wrong, or why it is wrong in this exact situation but maybe not always, or why Y thing is actually preferable most of the time. It seems like nothing from a real life perspective and when compared to other industries and whatnot, I agree, but in gaming at the time and on YouTube at the time it was something that was sorely, conspicuously needed. And he was the first to rise to the occasion, and delivered such that the vast majority of his critical content and punditry is immaculate.
All this while most gaming YouTubers were shitting up 420-part Let's Play Minecraft series or heavily edited YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO BELIEVE HOW SCARY THIS GAME IS videos. And taking money for promoting games, without disclosing the fact that they were paid to do it.
As an actual critic, he had the rare gift of being able to understand and explain why a game was good or had good things going for it even if it was a game that he didn't enjoy, or even if it was in a genre that he fundamentally disliked. You could still watch those videos and walk away knowing whether or not the game would be worth buying for you or not, rather than a disappointed "meh what a dumbass he thinks it's bad just because he's bad at this kind of game" like with 99% of others at the time.
Not to mention for how long he tried (and succeeded) to champion and showcase interesting indie games on his channel. Even though a glowing review for a genuinely wonderful indie game would more often than not get 3-6 times less views than a middling, critical review of Far Cry 69: The New One. In fact he's made many choices over the years basically turning down easy money that many other (including bigger) YouTubers wouldn't pass up just so he could stay true to his audience. Just another example of integrity.
And make no mistake his coverage of indie games has helped push and expose to a wider audience many of them, including what would eventually snowball into F2P juggernauts like Warframe and Path of Exile. Not to mention how many smaller, more niche indies got a big boost in sales and activity from his videos. Hell there have been studios who have openly admitted that if it hadn't been for his video of their game they would've had to shut down.
His contributions were acknowledged not just by dev studios and big companies, not just by his peers and collaborators, but his influence lives on in a new generation of YouTube gaming pundit channels. People like SuperBunnyhop, SidAlpha, ACG, Idiotech, Joseph Anderson and many more who have been very open about how much he's influenced them and their content. Many of whom he's even reached out to and helped signal boost using his own audience.
It's easy to overlook all of that when all you know is that he hosted and casted SC2 tournaments and maybe he was a dick to you in that one thread. Well tough shit, this community acts like complete asses to almost all our personalities, like Geoff said and did in the caster feedback thread, why should he take shit from complete wastes of space who do nothing but shit on others and contribute nothing?
On August 13 2018 23:46 HsDLTitich wrote: I don't think there ever was any "offensive" material on his channel, I don't get why people are assuming he deleted it because he was fearing for his carreer? Is there any evidence to this or are people just wild guessing? Don't think this thread needs to derail even further because of these assumptions...
It's pretty much the only speculations that's at all within the realm of possibility. I also don't remember him ever saying or acting in an inappropriate way, but I think again in light of recent events such fears may be justified. Better safe than sorry, never know what complete lunatic is going to completely misrepresent you years down the line and to what end.
On August 13 2018 23:03 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Are you really asking someone to post to describe the personality flaws of TB, when TL cracks down pretty hard on such especially now that he is deceased?
personally i try to be respectful when i post about criticisms of TB, and i understand that his recent passing changes the rules, but i don't like the idea of it being permanently off-limits to even suggest that he may have been a flawed person. i would understand if a mod came in and said "no TB criticism chat so soon after his death," but if one of his main patron communities can never ever have an open discussion about who he was as a person then it's not much of a community.
Long wall of text fellating TB
I agree with 100% of this, but people keep forgetting that on top of all his other achievements, he arguably convinced From Software to bring Dark Souls to the PC. His 500k petition made them release one of PC gaming's most wonderful titles to date and somehow that's merely a bullet point in the long list of awesome stuff that came out of the guy.
On August 13 2018 23:37 BigFan wrote: Aside from some videos here and there, I don't believe I ever watched much of his videos back then. Still, it's a loss to the SCII community nonetheless.
On August 13 2018 23:20 Dangermousecatdog wrote: No, we just got to accept that there is a hidden rule that we can't really criticise sc2 media personalities, or at the least if we do, the odds will be stacked against the poster if that sc2 media personality or mods weigh in. An by stacked I mean mod action. We just got to accept that whilst you can freely speak your mind in real life, we cannot on TL. All it'll take is one mod to be offended. To invite others to do so in TL, is just to ask them to give themselves an opportunity to be moderated.
None of this has anything to do with Husky though. Husky never acted in a particularily offensive manner, so it's quite sad that essentially a part of SC2 history and videos are now closed to us forever. I enjoyed quite a few of his videos.
If you have concerns about TL moderation, please take it to website feedback. Not really the best thread for this.
It's been taken to website feedback many times, sometimes by me, sometimes by others; it's done and gone. The unofficial official line is that the benefit of attracting major sc2 media personalities to TL is more than outwieghed if they act in a contemptible manner. Any mod action done on them will for the most part be invisible and not public. I understand the reasoning so I don't know why TL staff don't make it properly official to be honest and would solve a lot of angst and discussion whenever it comes up.It's hard to have a related discussion, when the response is always to take it somewhere else, where it can be dismissed away from context. But I agree, this is not the best place for it, so I shall not say anymore..
On August 13 2018 23:46 HsDLTitich wrote: I don't think there ever was any "offensive" material on his channel, I don't get why people are assuming he deleted it because he was fearing for his carreer? Is there any evidence to this or are people just wild guessing? Don't think this thread needs to derail even further because of these assumptions...
It's pretty much the only speculations that's at all within the realm of possibility. I also don't remember him ever saying or acting in an inappropriate way, but I think again in light of recent events such fears may be justified. Better safe than sorry, never know what complete lunatic is going to completely misrepresent you years down the line and to what end.
Yes, it seems like a reasonable explanation. Times change, and things that were okay in 2008 might not be okay in 2018, or 2028. That is generally not a problem if you do the stuff that is okay when you do it, but videos are timeless. So if you did something in 2008 that was okay then, but is not okay anymore, and someone digs that up in 2018 you might have a problem.
Just imagine you used to use "gay" as a negative descriptor. That was very common in 2008, and you might not have thought anything bad by it either. But in 2018 this is pretty offensive, because times has changed and the realization has set in that that is pretty offensive towards gay people.
And even if it is not something offensive, maybe it is just something that really doesn't fit the image you want to project nowadays. Imagine being judged by how you appeared as a 15 year old.
I am pretty happy that there is no gigantic video library of 15-year old me around that people that i have contact with now can watch.
And i must say that i am slightly annoyed at the people who appear to think that just because they watch someones videos they have some kind of ownership over them. You are a consumer. You consume free content. This is best seen as no obligation from either side. Just watch the videos while you enjoy them. You can even give feedback, and sure, you can say "I do not watch x anymore because of y". But do not claim that x is a traitor because he no longer does y. He did y for free for you, now he has gone on to do z. If you like z, watch it and everything is fine. If you do not like z, just don't watch it and be happy that you had some y in the past, and possibly try to find other sources of y if you really want more y. Be happy with the things you get from people who provide them to you for free. Just because someone gave you something once does not mean that they have an obligation to constantly give you more of that same thing, or change that thing in the way that you would like them to.
On August 13 2018 23:03 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Are you really asking someone to post to describe the personality flaws of TB, when TL cracks down pretty hard on such especially now that he is deceased?
personally i try to be respectful when i post about criticisms of TB, and i understand that his recent passing changes the rules, but i don't like the idea of it being permanently off-limits to even suggest that he may have been a flawed person. i would understand if a mod came in and said "no TB criticism chat so soon after his death," but if one of his main patron communities can never ever have an open discussion about who he was as a person then it's not much of a community.
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from what i can see here your two main points are "if you disagree with me you're either a troll or you're automatically wrong" and "TB worked hard in the gaming scene"
1) the fact that you're accusing me of bad faith literally just for posting an opinion illustrates the point i was making very well
2) i know very well that he's "done a lot for gaming," and you're not the first or last person to write a few paragraphs about his accomplishments. however, i don't personally owe anything to him for that, nor do i think it has anything to do with how a person acts socially or whether their behavior is acceptable. i have morals and it matters to me to express those morals. some people might disagree with those morals, and that's fine for them. not sure what else you'd like me to say!
when i debate people it seems to have a tendency toward causing derails, so feel free to continue in PMs if you'd like as it seems disruptive to continue this much further.
we don't know. youtube has changed a lot in the last few years. now they demonitize over small stuff. a channel i watched who just does photography gear reviews got his entire channel blocked from adsense for no reason. any gun knife related reviews are demonitize. just saying something negative gets demonitized. and if you think about it, alot of his content was casting other people's tournaments, maybe he just didn't want to go through the hundreds of videos and erase those and keep his content separate. he left the scene without a word, now his channel is gone without a word. with HD, i think somebody said he tried to go to full time poker or something.
Bronze League Heroes! A blast from the past, I liked that show a lot, but I haven't watched a single episode since Husky stopped creating more episodes. It's probably difficult to make a single dollar out of old content when there is so much new content coming from all directions to compete with.
But lo and behold, it seems as if the youtube account WinterStarcraft is / has been publishing Bronze League Heroes for the last year or so. Filling the void perhaps? Have any of you followed it and is it any good?
On August 14 2018 01:43 Jimmon wrote: What? How is the relevant though... He hasn't been in the scene for so long, still one of the first Pillars of SC2. RIP H to the usky Husky.
look at the forum and look at how many replies this thread has. that's how it's relevant. kind of explains itself? people liked husky, so he matters to them.
On August 13 2018 19:48 brickrd wrote: husky was an awesome entry point to pro starcraft. it's a little harder to watch his casts now that i know more about the game, but he was a lot of fun and brought a lot of positivity to SC which i think it sorely lacks these days.
anyway, because i know they're coming, can we skip the dumb posts where people call him a "traitor" for not "updating his fans on his career" or whatever? or does every thread have to be about shitting on something?
The fact is the guy didn't even say good bye to his community and fans, I never really followed him or cared but it seems to me very disrespectful by him.
I don't understand this sort of Entitled Fan mentality.
Just because somebody produces content you enjoy does not obligate them in anyway to keep you updated about their personal life, or choices.
Edit: Actually re-reading this post I think I fell for a troll since they guy here is saying he didn't care about Husky anyways.
I haven't thought about Husky for about 5 years because he hasn't been very active in the scene...big news though. I'm thankful for everyone that's given anything to this game.
On August 13 2018 19:48 brickrd wrote: husky was an awesome entry point to pro starcraft. it's a little harder to watch his casts now that i know more about the game, but he was a lot of fun and brought a lot of positivity to SC which i think it sorely lacks these days.
anyway, because i know they're coming, can we skip the dumb posts where people call him a "traitor" for not "updating his fans on his career" or whatever? or does every thread have to be about shitting on something?
Well luckily this is TeamLiquid where the staff have some standards, not /r/starcraft where that iBleedorange imbecile even joined in the dogpile against Husky instead of doing his job as a moderator.
Why is there so much hate towards iBleeedOrange in particular when the r/starcraft mod team is pretty expansive? Is it because he's a Reddit power user that's in control of a lot of subreddits?
On August 13 2018 19:48 brickrd wrote: husky was an awesome entry point to pro starcraft. it's a little harder to watch his casts now that i know more about the game, but he was a lot of fun and brought a lot of positivity to SC which i think it sorely lacks these days.
anyway, because i know they're coming, can we skip the dumb posts where people call him a "traitor" for not "updating his fans on his career" or whatever? or does every thread have to be about shitting on something?
The fact is the guy didn't even say good bye to his community and fans, I never really followed him or cared but it seems to me very disrespectful by him.
This kind of thinking is what's wrong with this community. To think that someone who dedicated years of his life to starcraft without getting much back from the community has to be grateful for the people he entertains with his content is just outright ridicolous.
I'm not the biggest fan of Husky, I was much more attracted by the professionalism HDStarcraft tried to imprint in his casts, Husky was too goofy for me but I cannot say I didn't watch and enjoy his content. When both Husky and HDStarcraft halted their presence in YouTube I acted like a rational person, feel sad and get over it. They made content I enjoyed very much and I'm thankful with them, they owe nothing to me, not even a farewel letter. I just wish they've stayed for longer.
I think anyone who has been around SC2 since the beginning probably spent a lot of time watching/looking forward to the new Husky videos. I definitely looked forward to all his new content back when he was releasing it. Interesting and sad that he chose to remove it. I wonder why?
I rewatched some of his BLH episodes earlier this year and was really enjoying it. Sad news. Closing a channel makes no sense, unless he really wanted to "cleanse" his past or due to legal issues. He will have his reasons, I guess.
On August 14 2018 03:52 Cluster__ wrote: I think anyone who has been around SC2 since the beginning probably spent a lot of time watching/looking forward to the new Husky videos. I definitely looked forward to all his new content back when he was releasing it. Interesting and sad that he chose to remove it. I wonder why?
Yeah, it's only natural to be curious when suddenly years of content is no longer visible. I'm sure he has his reasons and above all wish him well and hope he's in good spirits.
That's sad. I never heard of the hate Husky received but this is probably because I wasn't very active in the american SC2-Scene back then. But I stumbled every now and then over his content and I always really liked his stuff and his positive energy. That he is gone without a farewell - yeah, stuff happens and he probably did what is good for him and I really wish that this happy guy can do something that keeps him being happy. But taking his videos offline... that really hurts. He is a big part of SC2-history and without his content being there to refer on it... this is kind of taking away a part of the identity of the SC2-community
Husky as a caster was fine. As a friendly intro for people not versed in StarCraft he was fantastic.
Yes he was the victim of some negativity but he just dealt with it like a champ.
Him getting rid of his channel shows a level of maturity which a comparable but contemporary StarCraft related YouTuber like Destiny (who has decided to make a career uploading political debates with randos) will never achieve. Best of luck to Husky.
On August 13 2018 20:54 GreasedUpDeafGuy wrote: We just gonna be quiet on the fact that the community crucified him because some people didn't like his casting and people started online petitions to keep him from casting at premier events. The community treated him like garbage and he got out at the first good opportunity. Good man.
i don't remember the commuity treating husky like garbage, but i remember them shitting on JP and totla biscuit so not surprised. disgusting toxic useless basement dwellers. funny thing is now that sc2 is on critical life support most of them probably don't even post here anymore. they're probably shitting all over lol casters or something
the hypothesis of said basement dwellers trying to find something offensive said in his countless content to nail him makes perfect sense as well. SJW - useless to society and not contributing anything and then blame society for not having a job, then tries to drag everyone else down by getting them fired from their job. i do remember orb. he said stupid things, but here comes the witch mob to attack and destroy. and like easily distracted peasants they went on to the next outrage of the week and completely forgot about him
i miss husky and also painuser/HD (when they comboed together on IGN channel) and dj wheat and JP and all their sc2 content. listening to them brought me happiness and brings me back to when i was still in my 20s. a carefree and happy time. i occasionally still listen and watch old content and derive enjoyment from it. i didn't care what their rating was. very sad that husky has removed all his vids.
On August 13 2018 19:48 brickrd wrote: husky was an awesome entry point to pro starcraft. it's a little harder to watch his casts now that i know more about the game, but he was a lot of fun and brought a lot of positivity to SC which i think it sorely lacks these days.
anyway, because i know they're coming, can we skip the dumb posts where people call him a "traitor" for not "updating his fans on his career" or whatever? or does every thread have to be about shitting on something?
The fact is the guy didn't even say good bye to his community and fans, I never really followed him or cared but it seems to me very disrespectful by him.
This kind of thinking is what's wrong with this community. To think that someone who dedicated years of his life to starcraft without getting much back from the community has to be grateful for the people he entertains with his content is just outright ridicolous.
I don't understand how anyone can spend years making content and have it as a full time job, but have no desire to tell their thousands of fans that they are not going to make that content anymore, it just seems weird.
And from a practical perspective i bet Husky still gets daily or weekly messages asking whether he is coming back to SC2, he could have saved himself a lot of time simply by putting out a short message saying he is moving on the other things.
Some people are already running scripts that delete their old tweets on a regular basis, so if it's true that Husky deleted his channel to protect him and his wife from future targeted attacks or internet outrage then it's understandable. The cancellation of Nidome no Jinsei's anime because of the author's racist tweets from years ago and James Gunn's firing because of his edgy tweets from almost a decade ago comes to mind.
I'm going to miss H to the usky Husky but you do what you gotta do.
For all of you continuing to suggest that there is some kind of moral obligation for Huskey to have communicated with his Fans about his decisions...
Please consider that being in the public eye is rarely a totally enjoyable experience. Anytime someone makes a name for themselves anywhere on the internet they open themselves up to the best and the worst sides of Fan culture. People by and large are usually pretty kind and supportive, however the bad apples tend to make themselves stand out.
Now I have no idea if that is the case here, but my point is that neither do you. It's simply not fair to assume much of anything about the situation others are in. Then you also have to consider that it is everybodies choice to live how they want. Maybe Husky decided he just didn't want to be in the public eye any longer. He could have made some announcement about this, yes, but that would generate a new wave of attention. Perhaps, he simply preferred to let peoples focus move on and fade away.
Sorry, I don't know why this issue is bugging me and I am partially just playing devils advocate. However I just find this mindset of Fans to be very short-sighted, not thought out, and to be perfectly frank it is just selfish to think that you are owed anything by people who produce content for entertainment. Though there is a pretty large debate to be had here about this topic, I am going to stop there as I don't think the larger topic has any bearing on this instance.
I'm disappointed about his departure and I understand why his fans feel like he betrayed them. I mean he - like HDStarcraft - just abandoned his channel without so much as a farewell or explanation then let it rot.
This isn't about Husky 'abandoning SC2' so much as it's about him ditching his fanbase entirely to be the producer of a girly baking channel that does not fit at all into his own fan base's demographic. It's not like Day[9], MaximusBlack or Destiny - former SC2 personalities that have branched out into other video games whilst at least trying to maintain their fan base.
Then again, I also understand the whole 2010 vs 2018 argument. I wouldn't be surprised one bit if Husky felt like stuff he posted years ago would come back to haunt him. With the internet becoming more vindictive and toxic, that is probably a legitimate fear on any public figure's mind. After all, that's exactly what happened to James Gunn and Dan Harmon...
On August 14 2018 05:33 MrMischelito wrote: I don't get the weird 2010 vs 2018 argument. whatever is inappropriate now, it also was inappropriate back then.
duh.
Not to go too off-topic but today's audiences are far different.
See for example, Friends recently making headlines because millennials watching the show were getting offended by some of the storylines. These were storylines that entertained viewers and made Friends the hottest US sitcom back in the 90s and that kind of material wouldn't fly with today's audiences.
I still remember the HDH invitational. Crazy hype about SC2 release around the corner. Husky was just a bit too annoying to me he wanted to be the PewDiePie of Starcraft 2 I think. He had his moments though. Gl to him
On August 14 2018 05:33 MrMischelito wrote: I don't get the weird 2010 vs 2018 argument. whatever is inappropriate now, it also was inappropriate back then.
duh.
WRONG. SJW are triggered by everything these days, what was hilarious in 2010 is now misogynist, bigoted, homophobic, nazi, transphobic hate speech. every day on fb i see some article about how x/y/z is a nazi. i mean if aziz can be accused of rape and #MeToo because he went down on a girl and received a consensual blowjob, then positive uplifting husky, a cis white male, a favorite target of SJW, can easily be taken down
same reason why comedians dont perform on college campuses anymore
On August 14 2018 05:33 MrMischelito wrote: I don't get the weird 2010 vs 2018 argument. whatever is inappropriate now, it also was inappropriate back then.
duh.
WRONG. SJW are triggered by everything these days, what was hilarious in 2010 is now misogynist, bigoted, homophobic, nazi, transphobic hate speech. every day on fb i see some article about how x/y/z is a nazi. i mean if aziz can be accused of rape and #MeToo because he went down on a girl and received a consensual blowjob, then positive uplifting husky, a cis white male, a favorite target of SJW, can easily be taken down
same reason why comedians dont perform on college campuses anymore
Can you please stop with that angle? You tried at least twice before in this thread, and it didn't get a lot of traction. That should give you enough information to realize that other people do not agree with your take. Not everyone is in your right-wing bubble, or is interested in making everything a discussion about "SJW!!!!!!"
Kind of surprised that everyone thinks he did it to prevent a possible slander campaign or something else that dire.
Maybe he just doesn't identify with the content and person from back then. I wouldn't want to be remembered for the stuff I did on the internet from 9 years ago.
On August 14 2018 08:33 remeigius wrote: Kind of surprised that everyone thinks he did it to prevent a possible slander campaign or something else that dire.
Maybe he just doesn't identify with the content and person from back then. I wouldn't want to be remembered for the stuff I did on the internet from 9 years ago.
Without Husky saying why he deleted the channel, one theory is as likely as the other one. It could be to prevent possible slander from trolls/sjw in the future or because he doesn't identify with Starcraft anymore. It could also be because he believes a zerg invasion is about to happen and he doesn't want the Overmind to know he was a Protoss player... . All equally likely theories, because we have no information to go on.
Whatever the case though, the channel is gone and with it an important piece of SC2 History. It is truly a sad day for sc2. I can understand people getting upset about it, even more so, because there is no explanation offered from a credible source. People are desperate to know why he never said a word of good bye and why he deleted the channel. Its a mixed anger/confusion comment section along with the usual trolls in this thread.
I personally chose to believe, that it was not an easy decision for him to delete the channel. He still worked hard on it and whatever his feelings towards the end were towards the community and the game, he still brought entertainment to many and to delete all this work, this piece of history and in a way part of who he used to be and meant to others, must have been hard. Whatever may have been the reason on why he closed the channel, it must have been a personal choice, either for his future or to let his past behind. I wish Husky all the best for a future outside of StarCraft.
On August 14 2018 08:33 remeigius wrote: Kind of surprised that everyone thinks he did it to prevent a possible slander campaign or something else that dire.
Maybe he just doesn't identify with the content and person from back then. I wouldn't want to be remembered for the stuff I did on the internet from 9 years ago.
Without Husky saying why he deleted the channel, one theory is as likely as the other one. It could be to prevent possible slander from trolls/sjw in the future or because he doesn't identify with Starcraft anymore. It could also be because he believes a zerg invasion is about to happen and he doesn't want the Overmind to know he was a Protoss player... . All equally likely theories, because we have no information to go on.
Exactly. I just found it weird that some people immediately jumped to so extreme possibilities for his reasoning behind it, one post even mentioning the case of James Gunn, when there are plenty of other sound feasibilities that are not that immoderate.
Never followed the beta but he was still very active when I got involved in the game. Far from my fav caster, but I always appreciated his enthusiasm and he seemed like a decent guy. I remember when he got added to the MLG circuit commentary team and all the Teamliquid "experts" got butthurt, but he held his own.
On August 14 2018 05:33 MrMischelito wrote: I don't get the weird 2010 vs 2018 argument. whatever is inappropriate now, it also was inappropriate back then.
duh.
It may have been inappropriate back then, but many people would have accepted it as a joke or as an off the cuff comment. In today's day and age, people want to voice their indifferences with certain opinions and make it known to others that they are heard. With the reach of social media being as wide as it is, this is far easier now than it was back in 2010. So if someone says something inappropriate now, the ramifications are far greater than it was 8 years ago. I believe that's what the argument is about - the consequences of your actions now are worse now, than they were back then.
Anyway, we digress.
Back to the topic at hand.
Husky (and HD) were my introductions to the SC2 world of competitive gaming and esports. Had I never found their channels, I would have never discovered TL, the GSL, MLG, Dreamhack and so forth.
It's a shame we didn't get an official sort of comment, but if you had followed Husky for the last few years, you would have expected something like this to happen. He is heavily invested in Ro's business and channel and has been for a very long time now.
I hope he does stay somewhat active on his social media platforms, as Mike Lamond, going ahead - it's fascinating watching these pioneers of the content creation move ahead into the unknown with their careers as time goes on.
Unrelated - I actually queued up Banelings with Kurt Schneider last night on our discord channel. A weird sort of foreshadowing in a way.
Even though he left the community a while ago, I can't count the number of times of heard little references of his creep into the lingo of casters. I consistently hear people refer to the fleet beacon as "bacon," so even when he's gone, his influence is still around.
Like other people, the HDH invitational was my first big introduction to competitive Starcraft, and i remember the early MLGs he did.
looking forward to a strong performance by husky when he re-emerges. i'm sure i showcased something from his collection on facebook a while back. pretty inspirational but bad news that his channel is down. i wonder if this is some kind of glitch or error.
On August 13 2018 19:40 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote: Husky moved away from producing Starcraft content roughly 5 years ago as he moved into a managing/director/producer role for Rosanna Pansino.
When clicked on that link and attempted to watch one of her videos, I felt sorry for the man he has become. I also cannot believe that channel has 10 million subscribers.
To everyone saying Husky 'betrayed' the fan base, y'all sound like a jaded ex boyfriend who got dumped. Just be thankful there ever was a Husky & enjoy the memories & content he provided to you. He obviously has moved on to other things that he feels is best for him. You can either support that & be happy for his success or flame him or say he's this or he's that. Just remember the world is what we make of it & it starts with you. If you want to be bitter, then thats your choice, but given a lot of these responses, I can't blame him for one second.
On August 13 2018 20:25 Nakajin wrote: In other news: Slayer Yugioh anounce retirement
But seriously it's kind of a strange move to erase all of his video, I can't see even the trolliest of troll giving a shit about the husband of a youtube semi-celebrity, nothing against her she's having a big succes but she dosen't seems nearly big enough to have to worry about a "scandal" comming from so far away from her. Anyhow he/they probably know best and he does what he want with his creation.
Man I agree that it seems like a strange move and don't even necessarily believe it's for the best, but to be honest your post seems a little bit out of touch with the reality of YouTube (and Twitch but that isn't directly relevant here) nowadays.
Not even nowadays. It seems no one remember orb anymore, he was a streamer back in Wings of Liberty, not pro level but better at the game than a lot of the casters at the time who tried his hand at casting some Korean online tournaments (ESV Weekly maybe? doesn't matter). Anyway he was fairly small fry even compared to Rotti and Khaldor at the time, only a few hundred concurrent viewers before he became part of the official ESV cast. And then someone dug up some VODs from his personal stream where he raged in-game and said some fairly offensive things and that's all it took for his prospects as a caster or SC content creator to be over. Not saying it was undeserved, but it's something that happened within our very own community, to someone who was literally thousands of times less relevant than Husky by any conceivable metric.
When you're a YouTube channel that gets tens of millions of views every week, the risk is a lot greater. Hell with some of the comments I've seen regarding this (and on past occasions) on /r/starcraft I'm almost more inclined to side with him, we have some really fucked up, entitled and frankly disgusting people here and there in our community. Not to mention every single caster in this scene has been shit on at some point, either for not being good enough at the game (lol) or for daring to try out and play other games (double lol).
But yeah more to address your actual post, there have been tons of YouTubers and streamers who got harassed and doxxed for very little despite having had much smaller fanbases. Hell one of Husky's own friends some 5 or 6 years back had a problem with an obsessive stalker trying to harass her in all sorts of ways simply because she was a woman and he had a crush on her.
I remember the orb thing, like everything else, it was blown out of proportion but that was one of the first instances of the SC2 scene eating itself and it's content creators alive.
Why do people wonder why Husky deleted all his stuff? People already wrote the most probable reasons - years ago people weren't as SJW and people didn't troll/harrass online personalities as much as they do nowadays.
And for some reason this has been an issue that's plagued the SC2 scene since even it's inception - a vocal minority try to start a lynch mob because they personally do not like a personality, so they will find any reason to harrass them or try to drive them out of the scene, no matter how miniscule or stupid.
Smart move on his part to just get rid of all of his old videos or any that could be considered controversial etc. it sucks to lose more content creators for SC2, though he really wasn't active in past years.
On August 13 2018 20:25 Nakajin wrote: In other news: Slayer Yugioh anounce retirement
But seriously it's kind of a strange move to erase all of his video, I can't see even the trolliest of troll giving a shit about the husband of a youtube semi-celebrity, nothing against her she's having a big succes but she dosen't seems nearly big enough to have to worry about a "scandal" comming from so far away from her. Anyhow he/they probably know best and he does what he want with his creation.
Man I agree that it seems like a strange move and don't even necessarily believe it's for the best, but to be honest your post seems a little bit out of touch with the reality of YouTube (and Twitch but that isn't directly relevant here) nowadays.
Not even nowadays. It seems no one remember orb anymore, he was a streamer back in Wings of Liberty, not pro level but better at the game than a lot of the casters at the time who tried his hand at casting some Korean online tournaments (ESV Weekly maybe? doesn't matter). Anyway he was fairly small fry even compared to Rotti and Khaldor at the time, only a few hundred concurrent viewers before he became part of the official ESV cast. And then someone dug up some VODs from his personal stream where he raged in-game and said some fairly offensive things and that's all it took for his prospects as a caster or SC content creator to be over. Not saying it was undeserved, but it's something that happened within our very own community, to someone who was literally thousands of times less relevant than Husky by any conceivable metric.
When you're a YouTube channel that gets tens of millions of views every week, the risk is a lot greater. Hell with some of the comments I've seen regarding this (and on past occasions) on /r/starcraft I'm almost more inclined to side with him, we have some really fucked up, entitled and frankly disgusting people here and there in our community. Not to mention every single caster in this scene has been shit on at some point, either for not being good enough at the game (lol) or for daring to try out and play other games (double lol).
But yeah more to address your actual post, there have been tons of YouTubers and streamers who got harassed and doxxed for very little despite having had much smaller fanbases. Hell one of Husky's own friends some 5 or 6 years back had a problem with an obsessive stalker trying to harass her in all sorts of ways simply because she was a woman and he had a crush on her.
I remember the orb thing, like everything else, it was blown out of proportion but that was one of the first instances of the SC2 scene eating itself and it's content creators alive.
Why do people wonder why Husky deleted all his stuff? People already wrote the most probable reasons - years ago people weren't as SJW and people didn't troll/harrass online personalities as much as they do nowadays.
And for some reason this has been an issue that's plagued the SC2 scene since even it's inception - a vocal minority try to start a lynch mob because they personally do not like a personality, so they will find any reason to harrass them or try to drive them out of the scene, no matter how miniscule or stupid.
Smart move on his part to just get rid of all of his old videos or any that could be considered controversial etc. it sucks to lose more content creators for SC2, though he really wasn't active in past years.
orb reference, holy shit that takes me back.
Guy definitely had some idra-esque anger issues but at the heart of it didn't mean any harm. I still remember him getting upset when I did some marine/tank/vulture timing rush (or maybe it was a proxy 2 gate?). He he this calm but angry thing going on and asked me not to cheese.
Wow, that's really sad. I literally watched a few bronze league heroes videos this past week. I would show those to people who were starting out in the game or who played but weren't familiar with them. They were really funny! Miss you Husky!
Well, dang. I'm an archivist at heart, and live on nostalgia so I'm sad to see anything deleted, and in Husky's case it's his parody music videos that I miss in particular. Fortunately there were pirates, so it looks like they're still up in odd corners of youtube.
I didn't think of this earlier, but I hope he isn't really depressed or something like that. It makes me think of an artist destroying their work in a self-destructive identity crisis. I'm not saying I think that's necessarily what it is, but it worries me that it could be a possibility. I hope he gives us an explanation so we aren't wondering.
Husky was awesome. I started playing and continued for a few years from beta. Just got back into the game after years. Sucks people have left but at least this old schooler has come back. I hope this game doesn't die. It's still the best. MOBA are easy and not as full-filling to some. Also, I think there are a lot of guys who don't like RTS because it is so competitive and there are no participation trophies.
It's a shame, wasn't the biggest fan but his casting was easy to sit back and listen to, and he had great enthusiasm. It's the end of an era almost. Good luck in his future endeavours I suppose.
It's more than likely he has unlisted or made his videos private.
With his channel deletion goes the only evidence I ever beat Grubby as a diamond in HOTS. Well I found a ghetto ass rip on some korean site that is like 80p but that's hardly the same as Husky's quality.
Not even nowadays. It seems no one remember orb anymore, he was a streamer back in Wings of Liberty, not pro level but better at the game than a lot of the casters at the time who tried his hand at casting some Korean online tournaments (ESV Weekly maybe? doesn't matter). Anyway he was fairly small fry even compared to Rotti and Khaldor at the time, only a few hundred concurrent viewers before he became part of the official ESV cast. And then someone dug up some VODs from his personal stream where he raged in-game and said some fairly offensive things and that's all it took for his prospects as a caster or SC content creator to be over. Not saying it was undeserved, but it's something that happened within our very own community, to someone who was literally thousands of times less relevant than Husky by any conceivable metric.
Wow, Orb, LUL. That bring back memories! Does anybody remember LZGamer too?
It's also good to see people who have been with SC2 since its inception. Everybody knows Artosis and Tasteless. But also, kudos to people like Incontrol, ToD, Rotti, CatZ, etc, who have stuck with SC2 since the very beginning.
Not even nowadays. It seems no one remember orb anymore, he was a streamer back in Wings of Liberty, not pro level but better at the game than a lot of the casters at the time who tried his hand at casting some Korean online tournaments (ESV Weekly maybe? doesn't matter). Anyway he was fairly small fry even compared to Rotti and Khaldor at the time, only a few hundred concurrent viewers before he became part of the official ESV cast. And then someone dug up some VODs from his personal stream where he raged in-game and said some fairly offensive things and that's all it took for his prospects as a caster or SC content creator to be over. Not saying it was undeserved, but it's something that happened within our very own community, to someone who was literally thousands of times less relevant than Husky by any conceivable metric.
Wow, Orb, LUL. That bring back memories! Does anybody remember LZGamer too?
It's also good to see people who have been with SC2 since its inception. Everybody knows Artosis and Tasteless. But also, kudos to people like Incontrol, ToD, Rotti, etc, who have stuck with SC2 since the very beginning.
LZGamer still streams every once in a while. I forget which game I saw him stream last but it was within the last couple months. Dude is still chill as fuck. It feels like yesterday he was on stream introducing the foreigner community to mass reaper vs zerg in WoL.
Not even nowadays. It seems no one remember orb anymore, he was a streamer back in Wings of Liberty, not pro level but better at the game than a lot of the casters at the time who tried his hand at casting some Korean online tournaments (ESV Weekly maybe? doesn't matter). Anyway he was fairly small fry even compared to Rotti and Khaldor at the time, only a few hundred concurrent viewers before he became part of the official ESV cast. And then someone dug up some VODs from his personal stream where he raged in-game and said some fairly offensive things and that's all it took for his prospects as a caster or SC content creator to be over. Not saying it was undeserved, but it's something that happened within our very own community, to someone who was literally thousands of times less relevant than Husky by any conceivable metric.
Wow, Orb, LUL. That bring back memories! Does anybody remember LZGamer too?
It's also good to see people who have been with SC2 since its inception. Everybody knows Artosis and Tasteless. But also, kudos to people like Incontrol, ToD, Rotti, etc, who have stuck with SC2 since the very beginning.
LZGamer still streams every once in a while. I forget which game I saw him stream last but it was within the last couple months. Dude is still chill as fuck. It feels like yesterday he was on stream introducing the foreigner community to mass reaper vs zerg in WoL.
Wow, the mass reapers in WoL brings back memories too. I remember back in WoL, some foreign Terran (it was a European I think), cheesed Idra with mass reapers at a major SC2 tournament. Shortly after, Blizzard nerfed reapers and made them useless in WoL, LUL.
On August 13 2018 19:46 Garbels wrote: I don't know anything about the youtube sphere. What would be the point of closing a channel? Is there a lot of upkeep(work) or legal worries?
Some people have speculated that in light of recent events over the last several years he may have felt like some of his old videos could possibly have contained some kind of liability, anything that he would not want to be associated with anymore. He was a very big YouTube gaming channel at the time - something that people in the post-Pewdiepie era might not realize - but his girlfriend's channel which he's managing and whose shows he's producing is much bigger. The speculation is that he wouldn't want the risk of it being jeopardized by some disgruntled troll with too much time on their hands finding an instance from 2010 of this immature nerd dude having said something in one of his silly SC videos that could be considered questionable by today's (in this case today is a hypothetical near future) standards.
On August 13 2018 19:48 brickrd wrote: husky was an awesome entry point to pro starcraft. it's a little harder to watch his casts now that i know more about the game, but he was a lot of fun and brought a lot of positivity to SC which i think it sorely lacks these days.
anyway, because i know they're coming, can we skip the dumb posts where people call him a "traitor" for not "updating his fans on his career" or whatever? or does every thread have to be about shitting on something?
Well luckily this is TeamLiquid where the staff have some standards, not /r/starcraft where that iBleedorange imbecile even joined in the dogpile against Husky instead of doing his job as a moderator.
It is pretty sad if that is the reason for removing sc content, even though it is maybe not very relevant today.
Also, good god, that girl Husky is working for is annoying.
Husky oozed positivity and I loved watching his stuff when I was just getting into SC. He moved on with his life, and doesn't owe anyone an explanation.
Not even nowadays. It seems no one remember orb anymore, he was a streamer back in Wings of Liberty, not pro level but better at the game than a lot of the casters at the time who tried his hand at casting some Korean online tournaments (ESV Weekly maybe? doesn't matter). Anyway he was fairly small fry even compared to Rotti and Khaldor at the time, only a few hundred concurrent viewers before he became part of the official ESV cast. And then someone dug up some VODs from his personal stream where he raged in-game and said some fairly offensive things and that's all it took for his prospects as a caster or SC content creator to be over. Not saying it was undeserved, but it's something that happened within our very own community, to someone who was literally thousands of times less relevant than Husky by any conceivable metric.
Wow, Orb, LUL. That bring back memories! Does anybody remember LZGamer too?
It's also good to see people who have been with SC2 since its inception. Everybody knows Artosis and Tasteless. But also, kudos to people like Incontrol, ToD, Rotti, etc, who have stuck with SC2 since the very beginning.
LZGamer still streams every once in a while. I forget which game I saw him stream last but it was within the last couple months. Dude is still chill as fuck. It feels like yesterday he was on stream introducing the foreigner community to mass reaper vs zerg in WoL.
Wow, the mass reapers in WoL brings back memories too. I remember back in WoL, some foreign Terran (it was a European I think), cheesed Idra with mass reapers at a major SC2 tournament. Shortly after, Blizzard nerfed reapers and made them useless in WoL, LUL.
Yeah it's a shame they chose to deal with it in such an axe type of manner. They should have tried to rework the reaper to a better state at that point instead of neutering it entirely. They removed an instance where terran could interact with their opponent and did not replace it with a new instance for terran to interact. anywho, I don't want to stray too off from the purpose of this thread. I wish Husky had stayed but kudos to him for using his sc2 career as a springboard into some serious life changing dough.
On August 14 2018 05:33 MrMischelito wrote: I don't get the weird 2010 vs 2018 argument. whatever is inappropriate now, it also was inappropriate back then.
duh.
WRONG. SJW are triggered by everything these days, what was hilarious in 2010 is now misogynist, bigoted, homophobic, nazi, transphobic hate speech. every day on fb i see some article about how x/y/z is a nazi. i mean if aziz can be accused of rape and #MeToo because he went down on a girl and received a consensual blowjob, then positive uplifting husky, a cis white male, a favorite target of SJW, can easily be taken down
same reason why comedians dont perform on college campuses anymore
Can you please stop with that angle? You tried at least twice before in this thread, and it didn't get a lot of traction. That should give you enough information to realize that other people do not agree with your take. Not everyone is in your right-wing bubble, or is interested in making everything a discussion about "SJW!!!!!!"
i will not mention SJW at all due to teh warning
So, lookup what happened to orb if you dont believe me. i always wondered how destiny was able to get away with saying ridiculous stuff but poor orb got ruinated. goes to show the idiocy of the witch hunts i guess. there was a time when everyone who got outrated was threatening to "GOTO THE SPONSORS" as well. you can listen to the old state of the game podcasts where this was discussed.
eventually idra got canned from EG because on stream he said he hoped someone would get cancer. LOL. now i dont like idra, because he whined about balance, even after GGlord and winfestor were dominating, but i thought his rage was entertaining enough. i even a sad and emotional incontrol even streamed about it a few days after essentially defending idra but doing so diplomatically, im surprised he didn't catch flak about that.
the environment today is 100x more sensitive than it was back then. husky doesn't owe the fans anything and its certainly plausible he doesn't want anything wrong he said to come back to bite him. the fans owe him for his great content.
I do not understand how this is community newsworthy? Husky hasn't been around the scene for 5+ years now... it'd be newsworthy if he came back sure, but simply sneakily closing his channel is now considered news? =/
On August 15 2018 01:39 Latham wrote: I do not understand how this is community newsworthy? Husky hasn't been around the scene for 5+ years now... it'd be newsworthy if he came back sure, but simply sneakily closing his channel is now considered news? =/
Given that it's got 7 pages of reactions in a day, it seems people are interested in this news
On August 15 2018 01:44 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Cancer had nothing to do with it fishjie. But that would spoil your fantastical SJW narrative I imagine.
actually i calmly linked to a third party article as well as the liquipedia entry on idra, pointed you to the relevant section which has the cancer quote. im not bringing up any narratives due to my warning, i'm bringing up historical facts that anyone can verify with a google search.
On August 15 2018 01:39 Latham wrote: I do not understand how this is community newsworthy? Husky hasn't been around the scene for 5+ years now... it'd be newsworthy if he came back sure, but simply sneakily closing his channel is now considered news? =/
I know it's been a long time but come now, 5+ years ago is when Heart of the Swarm came out, that was a spike in activity for Husky if anything.
On August 14 2018 05:33 MrMischelito wrote: I don't get the weird 2010 vs 2018 argument. whatever is inappropriate now, it also was inappropriate back then.
duh.
WRONG. SJW are triggered by everything these days, what was hilarious in 2010 is now misogynist, bigoted, homophobic, nazi, transphobic hate speech. every day on fb i see some article about how x/y/z is a nazi. i mean if aziz can be accused of rape and #MeToo because he went down on a girl and received a consensual blowjob, then positive uplifting husky, a cis white male, a favorite target of SJW, can easily be taken down
same reason why comedians dont perform on college campuses anymore
Can you please stop with that angle? You tried at least twice before in this thread, and it didn't get a lot of traction. That should give you enough information to realize that other people do not agree with your take. Not everyone is in your right-wing bubble, or is interested in making everything a discussion about "SJW!!!!!!"
i will not mention SJW at all due to teh warning
So, lookup what happened to orb if you dont believe me. i always wondered how destiny was able to get away with saying ridiculous stuff but poor orb got ruinated. goes to show the idiocy of the witch hunts i guess. there was a time when everyone who got outrated was threatening to "GOTO THE SPONSORS" as well. you can listen to the old state of the game podcasts where this was discussed.
eventually idra got canned from EG because on stream he said he hoped someone would get cancer. LOL. now i dont like idra, because he whined about balance, even after GGlord and winfestor were dominating, but i thought his rage was entertaining enough. i even a sad and emotional incontrol even streamed about it a few days after essentially defending idra but doing so diplomatically, im surprised he didn't catch flak about that.
the environment today is 100x more sensitive than it was back then. husky doesn't owe the fans anything and its certainly plausible he doesn't want anything wrong he said to come back to bite him. the fans owe him for his great content.
First of all, Destiny didn't get away with that much. He got booted off two teams (Quantic and ROOT) for his behaviour due to a certain notorious Reddit community spamming his team's sponsors with negative feedback, long after both r/Starcraft and Team Liquid declared that posts encouraging others to contact sponsors with negative feedback were a bannable offence.
Why was that rule put into place? Because the SC2 community did exactly that to up-and-coming casters like Orb and Katu and ruined both their careers. Orb had angry comments with racist language he typed during matches dug through and Katu angered fans of SlayerSDragon who were livid that he mocked their favourite streamer's stream cheating and map hacking history to the point where they mailbombed Playhem into firing him.
By the time IdrA was canned from EG, big name sponsors like Razer were far more vigilant when it came to damage control.
There is a rumour going around on /r/starcraft that Husky may be making a return to SC2. LAGTV recently announced a charity event with a guest caster that they couldn't reveal due to the finalising of contracts.
Could it be Husky they're referring to? Part of me doubts it because if he intended to remotely stick to SC2, he wouldn't nuke his channel from orbit.
On August 15 2018 01:44 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Cancer had nothing to do with it fishjie. But that would spoil your fantastical SJW narrative I imagine.
actually i calmly linked to a third party article as well as the liquipedia entry on idra, pointed you to the relevant section which has the cancer quote. im not bringing up any narratives due to my warning, i'm bringing up historical facts that anyone can verify with a google search.
You edited your post to include the TL links afterwards. Why lie? The first link never even mentions cancer. You clearly haven't read your own first link, the third party link. Otherwise you may have noticed why my memory might be clearer than yours...
But hey I guess you just got to push your obsessive SJW narrative right?
On August 15 2018 01:39 Latham wrote: I do not understand how this is community newsworthy? Husky hasn't been around the scene for 5+ years now... it'd be newsworthy if he came back sure, but simply sneakily closing his channel is now considered news? =/
Well, Husky is one of the most impactful casters in SC2-history and his channel was kind of an archive of a big part of the earlier SC2 community. So I think, it's quite newsworthy if this content gets deleted.
On August 15 2018 01:39 Latham wrote: I do not understand how this is community newsworthy? Husky hasn't been around the scene for 5+ years now... it'd be newsworthy if he came back sure, but simply sneakily closing his channel is now considered news? =/
Well, Husky is one of the most impactful casters in SC2-history and his channel was kind of an archive of a big part of the earlier SC2 community. So I think, it's quite newsworthy if this content gets deleted.
Husky and Day[9] were quite useful in early SC2 to explain things and bring more viewers.
Would just like to add for all the posts from the first few pages saying "The starcraft community was the worst". I'm not going to deny there was bad, but nothing better or worse than any other community. Once a game (or tv series) gets popular enough, there will inevitably be enough assholes banding together to create some kind of vomit, especially when you can be anonymous. Dota2, Overwatch, CS:GO, Hearthstone, and hell even iRacing, all have problems with assholes who doesn't have anything better to do than to ruin other's experiences.
Which leads me to: If you're semi famous in any community, you're going to get hate. Sometimes vile and disgusting hate, and even detailed death threats. It's not ok, and we should do anything we can do smash down on it when possible, but it's a fact of that type of life. I have no idea if Husky left because of that or not, but if you're a person who can't handle it without becoming depressed or anxious, then leaving the scene might just be the best way for your own sanity.
P.S: Husky was awesome and I dearly miss his content. Even his sketches was really really good.
edit: Also, it seems likely that he's returning, not disappearing, based on the "soon" banner. I'm really excited and couldn't be happier!
On August 15 2018 06:29 Excludos wrote: Would just like to add for all the posts from the first few pages saying "The starcraft community was the worst". I'm not going to deny there was bad, but nothing better or worse than any other community. Once a game (or tv series) gets popular enough, there will inevitably be enough assholes banding together to create some kind of vomit, especially when you can be anonymous. Dota2, Overwatch, CS:GO, Hearthstone, and hell even iRacing, all have problems with assholes who doesn't have anything better to do than to ruin other's experiences.
Which leads me to: If you're semi famous in any community, you're going to get hate. Sometimes vile and disgusting hate, and even detailed death threats. It's not ok, and we should do anything we can do smash down on it when possible, but it's a fact of that type of life. I have no idea if Husky left because of that or not, but if you're a person who can't handle it without becoming depressed or anxious, then leaving the scene might just be the best way for your own sanity.
P.S: Husky was awesome and I dearly miss his content. Even his sketches was really really good.
edit: Also, it seems likely that he's returning, not disappearing, based on the "soon" banner. I'm really excited and couldn't be happier!
The fact that there’s so much direct interaction with fans is one of the really cool things about esports, even if it seems at times like a few assholes are ruining that for everyone else.
Looking back, anyone that has been part of the moba community and the starcraft community simultaneously knows for a fact that we have always been consistently more mature, which is to be expected given the nature of the games.
Looking back, anyone that has been part of the moba community and the starcraft community simultaneously knows for a fact that we have always been consistently more mature
Looking back, anyone that has been part of the moba community and the starcraft community simultaneously knows for a fact that we have always been consistently more mature
Jesus that's depressing
Why depressing? It's pretty true. I think overall the SC/BW community was one of the least toxic I've personally experienced in gaming, less so for SC2, and FAR FAR less so for Dota 2.
Looking back, anyone that has been part of the moba community and the starcraft community simultaneously knows for a fact that we have always been consistently more mature
Jesus that's depressing
Why depressing? It's pretty true. I think overall the SC/BW community was one of the least toxic I've personally experienced in gaming, less so for SC2, and FAR FAR less so for Dota 2.
This has been 100% my expernce as well. I got way more BM and toxicity in the SC2 ladder and from various clans. BM on the BW ladder is super rare. Anyone who blanketly says that BW or even starcraft in general is toxic, is pointing to a very small sample size of a generally BM people and say we are toxic. Yes those people are being dicks, but on a whole I think there is way too much of a narrative especially of BW that it is a toxic community when from my experience it has been far better than anything ive experienced in Moba or most other game types.
You can find toxicity anywhere you go. On TL a lot of us are in our 30s and 40s now, so as far as maturity goes. Fine we got more adults, but to say we're more mature compared to most gaming communities. Nah, I can go practically anywhere and find toxic people.
It does feel like me, at least being back after being gone for a few years, that SC2 has become much less toxic than it used to be. Back in the height of the game, it seemed like it was non-stop torches and pitchforks everywhere with people always hunting for some dumb new controversy or dramatic thing to be up in arms about. It did feel like, at least around 2013-2014, that a lot of the most toxic people began to move on to League of Legends and DOTA 2 as those games got more popular and were much better opportunities to be shitty to other people in (you could ruin nine people's day at once instead of just one!).
Since coming back in December, basically all toxicity I've encountered has been related to abusing how the ladder works (usually in the form of people messing with MMR stuff or creating a new account and trolling in unranked) and I've only had one actual game with bm in it (it was a person who would leave a bunch of games in a row, then troll and bm people way lower MMR than he normally was). Most of the time now if someone is negative in a game it's in the form of self-loathing/self-deprecation, which is a much easier thing to handle.
Looking back, anyone that has been part of the moba community and the starcraft community simultaneously knows for a fact that we have always been consistently more mature
Jesus that's depressing
Why depressing? It's pretty true. I think overall the SC/BW community was one of the least toxic I've personally experienced in gaming, less so for SC2, and FAR FAR less so for Dota 2.
It's depressing because not following any moba I find their is already a lot of problem in the sc2 "community", reddit in particular can br pretty harsh it seem. It's kind of depressing to think we are one of the good one, moba community must be hell
On August 15 2018 13:58 LaughNgamez wrote: $20 says he rebrands as a generic gaming youtube for Rosanna or he's looking to make a comeback due to no longer having a job.
He has a job now. As far as I know, he's been a staff member for Nerdy Nummies for years. This is also probably one of the reasons why he stopped doing SC2.
On August 15 2018 13:58 LaughNgamez wrote: $20 says he rebrands as a generic gaming youtube for Rosanna or he's looking to make a comeback due to no longer having a job.
He has another channel for general gaming purposes. The main channel was always Starcraft only.
I tried for a long time to figure out when I started watching Starcraft by looking at Huskys videos... but I can't for the life of me figure it out. All I know is that it must have been some point in 2010. I guess now there is no chance I'll ever know.
Looking back, anyone that has been part of the moba community and the starcraft community simultaneously knows for a fact that we have always been consistently more mature
Jesus that's depressing
Why depressing? It's pretty true. I think overall the SC/BW community was one of the least toxic I've personally experienced in gaming, less so for SC2, and FAR FAR less so for Dota 2.
This has been 100% my expernce as well. I got way more BM and toxicity in the SC2 ladder and from various clans. BM on the BW ladder is super rare. Anyone who blanketly says that BW or even starcraft in general is toxic, is pointing to a very small sample size of a generally BM people and say we are toxic. Yes those people are being dicks, but on a whole I think there is way too much of a narrative especially of BW that it is a toxic community when from my experience it has been far better than anything ive experienced in Moba or most other game types.
BW has always been one of the most toxic communities in my experience and owns it.
Looking back, anyone that has been part of the moba community and the starcraft community simultaneously knows for a fact that we have always been consistently more mature
Jesus that's depressing
Why depressing? It's pretty true. I think overall the SC/BW community was one of the least toxic I've personally experienced in gaming, less so for SC2, and FAR FAR less so for Dota 2.
This has been 100% my expernce as well. I got way more BM and toxicity in the SC2 ladder and from various clans. BM on the BW ladder is super rare. Anyone who blanketly says that BW or even starcraft in general is toxic, is pointing to a very small sample size of a generally BM people and say we are toxic. Yes those people are being dicks, but on a whole I think there is way too much of a narrative especially of BW that it is a toxic community when from my experience it has been far better than anything ive experienced in Moba or most other game types.
BW has always been one of the most toxic communities in my experience and owns it.
My dude you're a shit disturber who only posts there to bait people, of course they wouldn't be nice to you, lol. I barely lurk there these days and even I am aware of your reputation of troll who does nothing but incite SC2 vs BW arguments everywhere he goes...
On August 16 2018 01:27 Aunvilgodess wrote: oh god don't go on that facebook page
Oh my god, if he considered a comeback he definitely won't now.
My Facebook account is deactivated so I can't check myself -- what exactly are you guys referring to?
Also, sad to hear that his videos were taken down. I was never a subscriber nor did I watch all that many of his videos but I appreciate what he did for Starcraft during that time, and I do believe he had a genuine passion for the game. I always thought he did pretty well when he casted events, but I'm not one to be particularly critical of casters in general.
It's hard as a regular person to imagine just leaving behind a massive channel with so many subscribers on YouTube abruptly like he did, but I know it is probably different when you're actually in that position yourself. Still, that's quite a bit of potential wealth for comparatively not that much effort to just leave behind. Especially considering he became inactive before the adpocolypse iirc
On August 16 2018 05:29 Kimb3r wrote: That is worth a news?... gg
I could easily follow that up with "That was worth a post?... gg". It's newsworthy for those of us who followed him early on in sc2 and is still interested in what he's up to.
Looking back, anyone that has been part of the moba community and the starcraft community simultaneously knows for a fact that we have always been consistently more mature
Jesus that's depressing
Why depressing? It's pretty true. I think overall the SC/BW community was one of the least toxic I've personally experienced in gaming, less so for SC2, and FAR FAR less so for Dota 2.
This has been 100% my expernce as well. I got way more BM and toxicity in the SC2 ladder and from various clans. BM on the BW ladder is super rare. Anyone who blanketly says that BW or even starcraft in general is toxic, is pointing to a very small sample size of a generally BM people and say we are toxic. Yes those people are being dicks, but on a whole I think there is way too much of a narrative especially of BW that it is a toxic community when from my experience it has been far better than anything ive experienced in Moba or most other game types.
BW has always been one of the most toxic communities in my experience and owns it.
My dude you're a shit disturber who only posts there to bait people, of course they wouldn't be nice to you, lol. I barely lurk there these days and even I am aware of your reputation of troll who does nothing but incite SC2 vs BW arguments everywhere he goes...
Just saying how I see it, from my pov. Somebody thinks the BW community is toxic. Shocking... must be trolling...
Looking back, anyone that has been part of the moba community and the starcraft community simultaneously knows for a fact that we have always been consistently more mature
Jesus that's depressing
Why depressing? It's pretty true. I think overall the SC/BW community was one of the least toxic I've personally experienced in gaming, less so for SC2, and FAR FAR less so for Dota 2.
This has been 100% my expernce as well. I got way more BM and toxicity in the SC2 ladder and from various clans. BM on the BW ladder is super rare. Anyone who blanketly says that BW or even starcraft in general is toxic, is pointing to a very small sample size of a generally BM people and say we are toxic. Yes those people are being dicks, but on a whole I think there is way too much of a narrative especially of BW that it is a toxic community when from my experience it has been far better than anything ive experienced in Moba or most other game types.
BW has always been one of the most toxic communities in my experience and owns it.
My dude you're a shit disturber who only posts there to bait people, of course they wouldn't be nice to you, lol. I barely lurk there these days and even I am aware of your reputation of troll who does nothing but incite SC2 vs BW arguments everywhere he goes...
Just saying how I see it, from my pov. Somebody thinks the BW community is toxic. Shocking... must be trolling...
There's a difference between "toxic" and "always been one of the most toxic communities". I will respectfully disagree with you, as I don't think BW or SC2 has been more toxic than other e-sports communities, overall. Either way, I don't really think it matters much
On August 15 2018 01:44 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Cancer had nothing to do with it fishjie. But that would spoil your fantastical SJW narrative I imagine.
actually i calmly linked to a third party article as well as the liquipedia entry on idra, pointed you to the relevant section which has the cancer quote. im not bringing up any narratives due to my warning, i'm bringing up historical facts that anyone can verify with a google search.
You edited your post to include the TL links afterwards. Why lie? The first link never even mentions cancer. You clearly haven't read your own first link, the third party link. Otherwise you may have noticed why my memory might be clearer than yours...
But hey I guess you just got to push your obsessive SJW narrative right?
yeah um no, the first post always had the TL link. i made sure to include two links to prove my point. the first article, which seems like you didn't read, clearly mentions idras disrespecting of the community. pretty sure wishing someone dead from cancer, counts as disrespecting. to make it more explicit, i found the second liquipedia link had the cancer comment. i did edit the post for typos and to copy pasta the quotes in. the cancer thing sticks out because i remember seeing incontrols stream soon after where he discussed the cancer statement saying something along the lines of: "of course its not ok, but obviously idra didn't mean it literally" ie he was diplomatically defending his best friend
the sc2 community clearly was filled with witch hunts and pitch forks. no need to mention any narrative, anyone can look at the historical data and put two and two together. just listen to old SOTG podcasts where almost every week they were talking about how nerds were threatening to "EMAIL THE SPONSORS". unsurprisingly, the witch hunts died soon after roro vs symbol gsl finals gglord and winfestor killed the game for good. once viewership dwindled, the mobs moved on to more popular games.
On August 16 2018 01:27 Aunvilgodess wrote: oh god don't go on that facebook page
Oh my god, if he considered a comeback he definitely won't now.
My Facebook account is deactivated so I can't check myself -- what exactly are you guys referring to?
Basically a massive shitstorm on how he betrayed the community and isn't allowed to just come back like nothing happened.
I dunno it's not that bad. Most comments does indeed center around him leaving suddenly, and then deleting all his videos many years later. But the comments, while angry, are not shitposts or the like. They're explaining why they're angry in a reasonable manner (at least the top comments which I sifted through. I didn't go to the bottom). Whether that anger is reasonable in the first place is another matter tho. I don't think it is.
On August 16 2018 01:27 Aunvilgodess wrote: oh god don't go on that facebook page
Oh my god, if he considered a comeback he definitely won't now.
My Facebook account is deactivated so I can't check myself -- what exactly are you guys referring to?
Basically a massive shitstorm on how he betrayed the community and isn't allowed to just come back like nothing happened.
Huh, strange. I guess I kind of get it on some level, but mainly I just wonder why people often feel like they are owed something from content creators. Yeah, maybe it would have been nice if he at least communicated the fact that he was done making videos, but we don’t really know the full circumstances surrounding his departure. It strikes me as somewhat entitled behavior to get genuinely upset about something like that, reminiscent of a petulant child.
On August 14 2018 13:34 billynasty wrote: To everyone saying Husky 'betrayed' the fan base, y'all sound like a jaded ex boyfriend who got dumped. Just be thankful there ever was a Husky & enjoy the memories & content he provided to you. He obviously has moved on to other things that he feels is best for him. You can either support that & be happy for his success or flame him or say he's this or he's that. Just remember the world is what we make of it & it starts with you. If you want to be bitter, then thats your choice, but given a lot of these responses, I can't blame him for one second.
Since you used this metaphore and not me, let me reply
When you(or I or anyone) gets dumped, most of the time the person tells you that you got dumped! And that's the point, people are not angry because he left, but how he lefT! If you spouse would some time just left the house, didn't accept calls, didn't reply to messages, that's normal break up for you?
And again, you used the metaphore.
All the people wanted is - Hey guys, this is H to the usky, Husky. I have sad news for you, I'm taking a break from creating my content. I don't know for how long and I cannot tell whether I return or not. Thank you for your support, bye.
That's all!!!
It\'s funny, that on a website, where not saying gl hf and gg equals to bad manners, not saying goodbye to a loyal fanbase is not.. WTF?
On August 18 2018 06:13 Crocolisk Dundee wrote: It would be great if Husky could make a small selection of his videos available at YouTube again.
Bronze League Heroes was some of the most entertaining StarCraft II commentary.
It wasn't Starcraft II related, but recently, I watched his video of the GTS chivalry tournament he had where he only lost one match, and then he destroyed TB in the finals.
Like most of you, I haven't watched Husky in years. Nevertheless, nobody can deny he was a key contributor in spreading the popularity of SC2 in the early days. I wish him the best of luck in his future endeavors.
It is a dark and terrible future! The curse has descended upon the world and RTS esports has turned into a barren wasteland. Only one Artosis, alone, powers the Gateways of StarCraft!
*record scratch*
Ghost of StarCraft's past: You're probably wondering how we got here. I know, I know, unnecessary edgy, grim-dark future? Check. Total collapse of the scene you cherish? Check. The cause... Well don't you remember?
It was you not supporting the scene, not being hospitable and open to new players. Always taking our content creators for granted and acting like sharing their labours wasn't worth the 3 seconds you would've otherwise spent staring at RankedFTW, wondering why your mmr is so low. How could it be so low? You don't even play enough games per season to lose enough to be so low! But you are wrong in your ways.
-Cuts to SC2 Twitch Chat GM-
Twitch Chat GM (writhing in despondency): No! No! It can't be! It can't be!
Ghost of StarCraft's Past: Yes! Just look at the way you couldn't be arsed to comment on that PiG ICYFAR video you watched 3 times!
Twitch Chat GM (chained by despair): I only laughed the first two times I while watching that diamond Zerg beat the Protoss with only Infestors and Vipers.
Ghost of StarCraft's Past: What about those matcherino codes huh? It's free money dude, like come on it takes 5 seconds.
Twitch Chat GM: I am sorry! I'll do anything just take me back.
Ghost of StarCraft's Past: Accept that Husky has moved on.
On August 24 2018 04:27 Savagewood wrote: Pretty goofy of him to delete all those valuable VoDs without warning... So much SC history lost =\
This, the real loss here is all the content that existed as historical reference on his channel. Many of the games he casted were the only extant replays or videos of legendary games. Most MLG footage is totally gone, tons of games from small online cups that nevertheless featured all-time matchups, and of course his humor content like Bronze League Heroes. I'm thankful that I recently decided to watch the whole Bronze League Heroes series one last time, because now in all likelihood it's gone forever.
Despite the supposed permanence of digital information, a huge amount of Starcraft history and resources were never preserved. Many of the moments that defined a player's personality and legacy are now lost because of accounts getting closed or never being archived. I personally scoured all of Youtube in search of every single IdrA stream I could find, since he deleted all his stream highlights and the vast majority of them were never re-uploaded; many of those that were got flagged for copyright. I understand if Husky is trying to protect himself from liability by closing his channel, but for those of us who still watched and enjoyed his casting and his content, this really sucks.
So if you have a favorite player or content creator out there and don't want to lose that history, please mirror and archive this stuff, because you never know when it's all just going to disappear.
Hmm. His primary job these days revolves around Ro. Ro works for Disney. Disney just recently canned the acclaimed director of a massively successful movie series because of something he did on the internet years ago which he has spent time since regretting, apologizing for, and trying to be better than.
Can you remember everything you've ever said that might be on film somewhere, possibly while you were not fully coherent for any reason? Could you have used language that could be misconstrued? Maybe that's why.
Or maybe he just wants to start over as a hair and makeup youtuber. Who knows. But if he wants to make new content, that'd be cool.
Yea Husky YOU HAVE TO DO whatever I want YOU to do. Because I watched your videos on YT, OK? Put your life aside because of ME who watched your video twice on youtube.
Husky Facebook page.
That's so damn sad how people take things so seriously, and not knowing at all whats the hell is happening in others life.
Wow, he and HD was really setting the motion for Starcraft II Esports even in the beta. Even though I haven't watched either in years, Its sad to see him go. Good luck forward Husky.
I watched Husky quite a bit back in the day. From my recollection, he worked himself sick to the point where he was in serious danger of permanently damaging vocal chords. He took a decent lil hiatus, came back for a short stint, and then moved on to other things.
On August 24 2018 17:56 fronkschnonk wrote: Oh look. This news is not relevant to me. Therefore it's objectively not newsworthy for anyone at all.
This is relevant to people that play Starcraft II since the beginning, therefor it is objectively newsworthy. If it doesn't interest you, then don't waste your time replying on it.
On August 24 2018 17:56 fronkschnonk wrote: Oh look. This news is not relevant to me. Therefore it's objectively not newsworthy for anyone at all.
This is relevant to people that play Starcraft II since the beginning, therefor it is objectively newsworthy. If it doesn't interest you, then don't waste your time replying on it.
You're totally right. I was just satirizing the ignorant "How is this newsworthy?"-people.
I've read through most of the replies in this thread and I believe that Husky didn't take down his channel because he was afraid someone might dig some politically incorrect stuff he said and prosecute him.
He could have easily deleted only the videos where he did say politically incorrect stuff.
That being said, I don't understand why did he delete the channel because now people can't watch his series such as Bronze League Heroes which was pretty popular.
On November 29 2018 05:24 larper wrote: I've read through most of the replies in this thread and I believe that Husky didn't take down his channel because he was afraid someone might dig some politically incorrect stuff he said and prosecute him.
He could have easily deleted only the videos where he did say politically incorrect stuff.
That being said, I don't understand why did he delete the channel because now people can't watch his series such as Bronze League Heroes which was pretty popular.
He had absolutely tons of videos on his channel. It would have taken about forever to go through them all to find any potentially incorrect stuff. It's much easier to just blanket delete everything.
And yes, it is dangerous, especially when the community is the jury (and loves a good lynching for no other reason than out of boredom)
I don't usually condone drama bullshit but I figured there may still be people in the community who are interested in Husky. I'll start by providing some context:
Recently there's been some controversy over that cunt MatPat from the garbage clickbait Youtube channel Game Theorists covering an indie RPG and not crediting the developer in any way, while also constantly making references to Undertale and using Undertale to clickbait his video, even though that game has nothing to do with Undertale (and even Undertale's creator expressed public disapproval).
For some reason, Husky comes out from his slumber with this tweet, basically defending MatPat with the good old "but you got exposure" defense trying to minimize this dick move.
On January 06 2019 04:25 207aicila wrote: I don't usually condone drama bullshit but I figured there may still be people in the community who are interested in Husky. I'll start by providing some context:
Seems to be blowing up on twitter at the moment. Thanks for sharing it here otherwise I wouldve missed it
On August 13 2018 19:46 Garbels wrote: I don't know anything about the youtube sphere. What would be the point of closing a channel? Is there a lot of upkeep(work) or legal worries?
So is this the "soon" we were waiting for? I must admit I was hoping for less drama llama, but I guess people have some pent up anger. Not only did he leave his fans hanging when he disappeared, but also, it seems, his friends
On January 06 2019 07:08 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: IDK but following that back and forth Husky is just trying to make an argument while Cox keeps insulting? Looks worse on Cox than on Husky to me.
I'm not sure what world you live in where this in any way looks bad on Cox... Especially when backed up by both Dodger and iNcontrol (Who, sure, are his friends, but also knew Husky back in the day)
On January 06 2019 07:08 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: IDK but following that back and forth Husky is just trying to make an argument while Cox keeps insulting? Looks worse on Cox than on Husky to me.
What argument? He is defending an unjustifiable position, and his "arguments" are unsubstantiated, objectively false claims about Cox and the people Cox associates with.
On January 06 2019 07:08 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: IDK but following that back and forth Husky is just trying to make an argument while Cox keeps insulting? Looks worse on Cox than on Husky to me.
I'm not sure what world you live in where this in any way looks bad on Cox... Especially when backed up by both Dodger and iNcontrol (Who, sure, are his friends, but also knew Husky back in the day)
I mean i'm not that invested i have no idea what the original indie video was but just looking at the twitter
Husky saying not crediting correctly is not a huge deal when the net result is still positive Cox calls BS calls the guy a sleaze Husky gives examples of others where this also wasn't the case and asks if they are sleazes too Cox says he's a terrible friend who lets everyone down.
I mean I don't understand the escalation here. Were all Husky's examples wrong?
On January 06 2019 07:08 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: IDK but following that back and forth Husky is just trying to make an argument while Cox keeps insulting? Looks worse on Cox than on Husky to me.
I'm not sure what world you live in where this in any way looks bad on Cox... Especially when backed up by both Dodger and iNcontrol (Who, sure, are his friends, but also knew Husky back in the day)
I mean i'm not that invested i have no idea what the original indie video was but just looking at the twitter
Husky saying not crediting correctly is not a huge deal when the net result is still positive Cox calls BS calls the guy a sleaze Husky gives examples of others where this also wasn't the case and asks if they are sleazes too Cox says he's a terrible friend who lets everyone down.
I mean I don't understand the escalation here. Were all Husky's examples wrong?
This highlighted part isn't really "a provided argument" when you (Husky in this case) are just straight up lying, which is backed up by other people who was treated similarly to Cox.
On January 06 2019 07:35 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: I mean i'm not that invested i have no idea what the original indie video was but just looking at the twitter
Husky saying not crediting correctly is not a huge deal when the net result is still positive
There's part of your problem.
Making a video to make money off of video game X while not crediting the developer of video game X or telling your viewers where to buy it, and then also for some reason misrepresenting it to seem related to unrelated video game Y for SEO and clickbait purposes is an indefensibly dickish thing to do. Defending the person who did that is just as bad if not worse than defending the idiots who think it's okay not to pay artists for their graphics or music because "but exposure tho".
For Husky to say something like that, despite supposedly being a professional who manages his girlfriend/wife's successful Youtube channel, is not only extremely stupid but very out of touch.
On August 13 2018 19:46 Garbels wrote: I don't know anything about the youtube sphere. What would be the point of closing a channel? Is there a lot of upkeep(work) or legal worries?
I thought same: damage control.
With everything that followed (excluding the drama today) with Ro's much hyped "boyfriend video" etc, I would say it wasn't damage control so much as erasing a past that might not match the image they as a pair present today to a very different audience.
This is too far removed from being relevant to StarCraft II at this point.
And honestly, a thread where many participants are interested in speculating negatively on someone's character based on circumstantial evidence hardly constitutes a quality thread. Moved to general, but will look to close if there's nothing of substance.
On January 06 2019 07:35 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: I mean i'm not that invested i have no idea what the original indie video was but just looking at the twitter
Husky saying not crediting correctly is not a huge deal when the net result is still positive
There's part of your problem.
Making a video to make money off of video game X while not crediting the developer of video game X or telling your viewers where to buy it, and then also for some reason misrepresenting it to seem related to unrelated video game Y for SEO and clickbait purposes is an indefensibly dickish thing to do. Defending the person who did that is just as bad if not worse than defending the idiots who think it's okay not to pay artists for their graphics or music because "but exposure tho".
For Husky to say something like that, despite supposedly being a professional who manages his girlfriend/wife's successful Youtube channel, is not only extremely stupid but very out of touch.
And yeah also what Excludos said.
The games are made by the same developer. Their names are anagrams of each other (Undertale/Deltarun). The first video is an analysis of how Deltarun is a conscious commentary on Undertale. They could not be more related.
I understand we don't like muckraking here, but I feel some of these posts are borderline negligent.
On January 06 2019 07:35 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: I mean i'm not that invested i have no idea what the original indie video was but just looking at the twitter
Husky saying not crediting correctly is not a huge deal when the net result is still positive
There's part of your problem.
Making a video to make money off of video game X while not crediting the developer of video game X or telling your viewers where to buy it, and then also for some reason misrepresenting it to seem related to unrelated video game Y for SEO and clickbait purposes is an indefensibly dickish thing to do. Defending the person who did that is just as bad if not worse than defending the idiots who think it's okay not to pay artists for their graphics or music because "but exposure tho".
For Husky to say something like that, despite supposedly being a professional who manages his girlfriend/wife's successful Youtube channel, is not only extremely stupid but very out of touch.
And yeah also what Excludos said.
The games are made by the same developer. Their names are anagrams of each other (Undertale/Deltarun). The first video is an analysis of how Deltarun is a conscious commentary on Undertale. They could not be more related.
I understand we don't like muckraking here, but I feel some of these posts are borderline negligent.
The game in question was Heartbound (clearly inspired by Earthbound FWIW), not Deltarune... please don't make this kind of accusation without educating yourself first.
And like I mentioned previously Toby Fox himself condemned the guy.
On January 06 2019 08:23 Waxangel wrote: This is too far removed from being relevant to StarCraft II at this point.
And honestly, a thread where many participants are interested in speculating negatively on someone's character based on circumstantial evidence hardly constitutes a quality thread. Moved to general, but will look to close if there's nothing of substance.
Thanks for keeping the thread open Wax when it could have been closed due to being off topic; Husky was a highlight and a gateway for a lot of people and there is a lot of residual disappointment to the loss of his content etc.
Honestly, I don't feel culpable for that mistake at all. You've made multiple long posts about this subject and couldn't mention the game name once? All I had was that it was GT related and Undertale related. There was no mention of Undertale in the title of the GTLive stream nor was any UT footage shown. If GT sanitized the stream title, etc., you need to plainly explain. "Accept my conclusions or go figure it out yourself." is not acceptable.
That's pretty funny because the developer you are supporting was demanding links. Where's your mention, dude?
I'm not here because I have some special insight or stake. I'm here because the conversation in here is terrible. I suppose you kind of sort of explained what some of the actual issue was, but you saturated it with loaded, provocative conclusions. Writing tip: State your facts as plainly as possible, then put your commentary afterward.
Let me do what apparently was so very difficult: Pirate Software got upset that someone on the GT staff put Undertale in the title and tags and didn't link to the game.
GT was supposed to promote their game, but NO, NOT THAT WAY!
The attitude of both developers is pretty telling. The use of the word "community" in the first sentences of Pirate Games' tweet should have been a tipoff. This is not a community, this is a business. Games development and games media is necessarily a reciprocal business, but still a business. Stop acting like fucking artisanal cheese vendors. For the health and freedom of the industry and our entire society, GT and others like them should not and must not owe the developers anything other than journalistic (roughly speaking) integrity. Quibbling over titles or tags might be a topic of (private) conversation, but that doesn't earn condemnation and GT certainly doesn't owe them links. The idea that they should be beholden to the developers is pretty fucking astounding considering some of the parties involved in this discussion.
But back to the real reason for this thread. Apparently all these things are crystal clear and not open to any difference of opinion, so when Husky made the sin of commenting on the conversation of three adults, Cox decided it was time to bring up years-old grievances.
All us "youtube" casters had a ventrilo channel we used to hang out in back in the day. Husky gets invited in by someone.
After some of us said some friendly hellos he proceeded to be one of the biggest self entitled dicks I'd ever talk to and it left a bad taste in my mouth. So my point being - I'm not surprised at the accusation of using and ditching people not useful to him anymore.
But I'll give him credit, he knew how to market and use the media better than any of us other casters did at that time.
On January 18 2019 11:07 Savagewood wrote: This video perfectly explains what happened to Mike. He was an opportunist, as well as a money-hungry leech on our community: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIuNZFyQ8Fk
Its not a very good video.
It (and your comments) proscribe a lot of attributes to Mike which aren't really evident. Agreed, it was a dick move to delete all his content with no forewarning, from an archival point of view it certainly sucks: but ultimately he owns the content. Its okay to be upset, but its not going to change anything: this is a parasocial relationship at work, and evident in the video. The video maker compares Husky spending all his time working on his partners channel, to a friend who gets a new girlfriend and neglects all his current friends in favour of her. This would be apt, if the relationships were of the same strength and quality. They aren't. So yes, a heads up would have been nice, but "local man privileges relationship with partner/business partner over YT subs, more at 11."
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I just re-read this thread, and I've decided its pretty bad (it seems like an exercise to determine how much of a jerk husky is - and I've kinda contributed to that) and I'm done here. I'm leaving my post up because it feels wrong to cut it now.
I think Husky burned out on SC2 a couple of years back. He is somewhat arrogant sometimes but in general he's not an asshole. When SC2 released I was all about it. I LIVED SC2. A couple of months after that I couldn't care about it anymore. Now all I care about is BW (spectating that is). SC2 is just a major dissapointment for me after a while it just sank in. I don't like SC2. Maybe he experienced something similar and just thought for too long a time 'I already put in so much work, I'll find my drive agian' and then he never did. Also I asked him video editing advice and he replied. Not in the friendship building manner one would hope, but he shared his knowledge regardles.. He was already big back then and I was and still am a YouTube nobody I can provide screenshots.
For instance I have had personal contact with him a couple of times about a map contest and he was very enthusiastic in his responses.
Also on a youtube video I made about him misunderstandig Devourers, even PRE SC2. So there's that.
He replied back then and it was basically a misunderstanding as he meant that the splash adds to damage taken instead of literal splash damage. Whatever man, for me it was just for the sake of discussion.
Anyway that are 3 examples of coincidental communication between him and me. And I was just one of so many nobodies trying to have a chat with the cool YouTube guys.
So it's not THAT onesided where you could just say "Husky bad man". Maybe he did blow up. Maybe he burned out on SC. Maybe he did cut out people in his life and didn't do that in the kindest or politest way possible. Maybe he had personal issues. I've cut people out too, sometimes without explanation. It can be hard to be on the receiving side of that but who knows why he decided that back then. Maybe he just didn't have the strenght to maintain friendships with people that you don't really associate with anymore. Maybe he just became a different person entirely.
Same for me, I meet some dudes at the office and we have a blast everyday, do stuff together and are basically brothers. As soon as a contract get's cancelled, friendship over! It just happens and maybe he was like that and didn't have the strenght to maintain friendships.
MAYBE he is a calculation asshole. Probably not that black and white. Just saying we don't know.
I would like to close with something silly and or positive to let this discussion die on a positive nostalgic note.
Husky my bro if you're reading this. Sorry if I misinterpreted your intentions and or piss you off with this video. I for one really loved it back then and I really like your persona and your channel.
The video maker compares Husky spending all his time working on his partners channel, to a friend who gets a new girlfriend and neglects all his current friends in favour of her. This would be apt, if the relationships were of the same strength and quality. They aren't. So yes, a heads up would have been nice, but "local man privileges relationship with partner/business partner over YT subs, more at 11."
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I just re-read this thread, and I've decided its pretty bad (it seems like an exercise to determine how much of a jerk husky is - and I've kinda contributed to that) and I'm done here. I'm leaving my post up because it feels wrong to cut it now.
Actually if you re-read the thread yet again you will find that people who were part of his social circle WERE neglected and abandoned in favour of him milking his girlfriend's channel for money. Even iNcontroL signed off on that in one of those tweet chains. But don't let that get in the way of your moral crusade.
Got this sad news from some comments on top1apk. i have many good memories watching husky. i wonder what the reasoning was here its not like it hurts anything leaving it up. bronze leeeague heroes!
EPT
HDH Invitational. The HDH Invitational could be considered the most influential pre-release tournament and introduced a plethora of fans to Starcraft 2. Husky produced a lot of content while he was active and in particular produced the 'Bronze League Heroes' series. 
I used to watch Bronze league heros series once a year. That was hell of a fun...
