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Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
2604 Posts
August 30 2026 16:10 GMT
#118681
On August 30 2026 23:08 KT_Elwood wrote:
Reports saying the visit of CIA-Director in moscow was about bagging putin about pressing iran to yield the strait of hormuz.

Moscow declined.


Can you share those reports? Every analysis I’ve read by people in the know is about Russia not escalating on NATO soil after their drone in Germany . And reiterating that they will stand up for baltics. They base this on timing, plane choice, who went, how long they went for, and so on.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24418 Posts
August 30 2026 16:25 GMT
#118682
On August 30 2026 21:36 Geiko wrote:
My AI says... + Show Spoiler +
a couple million dollars for what it's worth. Mainly changing official maps, documents and then the signage.
Costs can be saved if coinciding with usual map/document updates.

And then of course you have to double that when the next administration has to change it all back
.

1v1 my AI! Ah the future is bright... sooo bright... no... wait... that's a mushroom cloud.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
KT_Elwood
Profile Joined July 2015
Germany1201 Posts
August 30 2026 16:33 GMT
#118683
As I said.. It's time to ditch the US hegemony now.

Trump is terribly lucky that EU is run by 70 year olds that - for all their life - have looked up to america and can't even remotely picture a world where american leadership fails.

Review the TRIPS agreement about mutual protection of interlectual property and just no longer use EU-taxpayer money to protect US-IP.

It's legal as a WTO sanction against a country that actively sabotages free trade ..and kidnapping presidents.. and closing the strait of hormuz directly falls under that category.. not even mentioning the erractic tariff policy.

No longer pay for Oil using US-Dollars. Just give Norway some good old Euros.
"First he eats our dogs, and then he taxes the penguins... Donald Trump truly is the Donald Trump of our generation. " -DPB
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11607 Posts
August 30 2026 17:32 GMT
#118684
Oh, while I'm at it. I also think activists who keep insisting on calling North America 'Turtle Island' are cringe and lost in the lost sauce, calling every one Settlers.

Given Turtle Island is a mythology limited to only certain indigenous groups, trying to push adoption across the entire continent for all groups, in my view, makes them as guilty of pan-Indianism as portraying every indigenous group with a teepee, feather in hair, and a tomahawk.
ModeratorWake me up when Trump's term is finished. Slava Ukraini.
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3409 Posts
August 30 2026 20:00 GMT
#118685
On August 31 2026 01:33 KT_Elwood wrote:
As I said.. It's time to ditch the US hegemony now.

Trump is terribly lucky that EU is run by 70 year olds that - for all their life - have looked up to america and can't even remotely picture a world where american leadership fails.

Review the TRIPS agreement about mutual protection of interlectual property and just no longer use EU-taxpayer money to protect US-IP.

It's legal as a WTO sanction against a country that actively sabotages free trade ..and kidnapping presidents.. and closing the strait of hormuz directly falls under that category.. not even mentioning the erractic tariff policy.

No longer pay for Oil using US-Dollars. Just give Norway some good old Euros.


I'm not denying we deserve it, but it seems like it would be more farsighted to have a plan to collectively deal with any democratic country that elects its own Trump or Bolsonaro or Le Pen. Neo-fascism is not a uniquely American problem and it's not going to go away for the rest of the world even when Republicans fall out of power here.
"don't try to pull a LightSpectra-Trumper"
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10978 Posts
August 31 2026 12:27 GMT
#118686
Most dictators don't push half the shit the Trump admin has done just out of spite.

This is an uniquely moronic way of falling to facism. In a "fair" world there would be sanctions against the US... On top of the one you self impose due to being ruled by absolute morons.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24418 Posts
August 31 2026 13:10 GMT
#118687
On August 31 2026 01:33 KT_Elwood wrote:
As I said.. It's time to ditch the US hegemony now.

+ Show Spoiler +
Trump is terribly lucky that EU is run by 70 year olds that - for all their life - have looked up to america and can't even remotely picture a world where american leadership fails.

Review the TRIPS agreement about mutual protection of interlectual property and just no longer use EU-taxpayer money to protect US-IP.

It's legal as a WTO sanction against a country that actively sabotages free trade ..and kidnapping presidents.. and closing the strait of hormuz directly falls under that category.. not even mentioning the erractic tariff policy.

No longer pay for Oil using US-Dollars. Just give Norway some good old Euros.




On August 31 2026 21:27 Velr wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Most dictators don't push half the shit the Trump admin has done just out of spite.

This is an uniquely moronic way of falling to facism.
In a "fair" world there would be sanctions against the US... + Show Spoiler +
On top of the one you self impose due to being ruled by absolute morons.


What could the US/Trump do (if anything?) that would actually make people demand their leaders do this?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3409 Posts
August 31 2026 13:23 GMT
#118688
On August 31 2026 21:27 Velr wrote:
Most dictators don't push half the shit the Trump admin has done just out of spite.

This is an uniquely moronic way of falling to facism. In a "fair" world there would be sanctions against the US... On top of the one you self impose due to being ruled by absolute morons.


Bolsonaro let the Amazon burn so he could give the land to cattle farmers, that's uniquely moronic and just as permanent as some of the things Trump is doing.
"don't try to pull a LightSpectra-Trumper"
Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
2604 Posts
August 31 2026 14:23 GMT
#118689
On August 31 2026 21:27 Velr wrote:
Most dictators don't push half the shit the Trump admin has done just out of spite.

This is a uniquely moronic way of falling to facism. In a "fair" world there would be sanctions against the US... On top of the one you self impose due to being ruled by absolute morons.

It does suck, world is not fair, rich and powerful everywhere get away with more.

That being said it’s not without consequences for the US. And they are going to be feeling them long after Trump is gone.
Jankisa
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Croatia1842 Posts
August 31 2026 14:30 GMT
#118690
The major differences in Trump's petulance as compared to other wanna be strong men:

1. He is the head of state of the most powerful, both economically and militarily nation on Earth
2. He is the head of a cult that is fanatical, stupid, brainwashed and completely loyal
3. Due to how US electoral and governing system works, this cult gaining absolute power over one party means that he gets to rule unilaterally

So basically, the checks and balances are gone because Republicans are either brainwashed or afraid to stand up to the cult, they feel emboldened by that, he feels emboldened by them and the feedback loop creates a storm of pettiness and petulance that has never seen before.
So, are you a pessimist? - On my better days. Are you a nihilist? - Not as much as I should be.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
August 31 2026 14:43 GMT
#118691
On August 31 2026 23:30 Jankisa wrote:
The major differences in Trump's petulance as compared to other wanna be strong men:

1. He is the head of state of the most powerful, both economically and militarily nation on Earth
2. He is the head of a cult that is fanatical, stupid, brainwashed and completely loyal
3. Due to how US electoral and governing system works, this cult gaining absolute power over one party means that he gets to rule unilaterally

So basically, the checks and balances are gone because Republicans are either brainwashed or afraid to stand up to the cult, they feel emboldened by that, he feels emboldened by them and the feedback loop creates a storm of pettiness and petulance that has never seen before.

Aye, I’d probably add a number 4 which is how much of his craic is either utterly asinine, cringe or both.

Many an other strongman/woman’s actions I may find detestable but there’s usually some Machiavellian logic behind him.

Trump is so lacking in basic decorum or well, taste and class that it’s as pathetic as it is dangerous. The former isn’t something I tend to associate with many another far right populist
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44397 Posts
August 31 2026 15:30 GMT
#118692
On August 31 2026 22:23 LightSpectra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2026 21:27 Velr wrote:
Most dictators don't push half the shit the Trump admin has done just out of spite.

This is an uniquely moronic way of falling to facism. In a "fair" world there would be sanctions against the US... On top of the one you self impose due to being ruled by absolute morons.


Bolsonaro let the Amazon burn so he could give the land to cattle farmers, that's uniquely moronic and just as permanent as some of the things Trump is doing.

Doing $100 of damage to the commons to give $10 to your base isn’t good government but it’s not moronic, it’s politics, it’s a tale as old as time.

Trump’s trick is taking $100 from everyone so that he can do another $10 of damage to his base, and then getting them to cheer for it.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3409 Posts
August 31 2026 15:40 GMT
#118693
Describing the lungs of the Earth as "the commons" might be underselling it a bit
"don't try to pull a LightSpectra-Trumper"
Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
2604 Posts
August 31 2026 18:13 GMT
#118694
I was reading some apologies and retractions of announcers who got stats wrong in sports. It hit me as strange and disappointing that it is an expectation in sports that our commentators are accurate and correct but not the health czar or president.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44397 Posts
August 31 2026 19:39 GMT
#118695
On September 01 2026 00:40 LightSpectra wrote:
Describing the lungs of the Earth as "the commons" might be underselling it a bit

I mean it's not called 'the comedy of the commons'.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
KT_Elwood
Profile Joined July 2015
Germany1201 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-08-31 20:57:30
August 31 2026 20:57 GMT
#118696
On August 31 2026 05:00 LightSpectra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2026 01:33 KT_Elwood wrote:
As I said.. It's time to ditch the US hegemony now.

Trump is terribly lucky that EU is run by 70 year olds that - for all their life - have looked up to america and can't even remotely picture a world where american leadership fails.

Review the TRIPS agreement about mutual protection of interlectual property and just no longer use EU-taxpayer money to protect US-IP.

It's legal as a WTO sanction against a country that actively sabotages free trade ..and kidnapping presidents.. and closing the strait of hormuz directly falls under that category.. not even mentioning the erractic tariff policy.

No longer pay for Oil using US-Dollars. Just give Norway some good old Euros.


I'm not denying we deserve it, but it seems like it would be more farsighted to have a plan to collectively deal with any democratic country that elects its own Trump or Bolsonaro or Le Pen. Neo-fascism is not a uniquely American problem and it's not going to go away for the rest of the world even when Republicans fall out of power here.



The plan is
1. make nazis afraid again.
2. make billionaires millionaires again
"First he eats our dogs, and then he taxes the penguins... Donald Trump truly is the Donald Trump of our generation. " -DPB
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10978 Posts
August 31 2026 22:18 GMT
#118697
On August 31 2026 22:23 LightSpectra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2026 21:27 Velr wrote:
Most dictators don't push half the shit the Trump admin has done just out of spite.

This is an uniquely moronic way of falling to facism. In a "fair" world there would be sanctions against the US... On top of the one you self impose due to being ruled by absolute morons.


Bolsonaro let the Amazon burn so he could give the land to cattle farmers, that's uniquely moronic and just as permanent as some of the things Trump is doing.


Yeah, thats a thing tons of criminals do all over the world.
Burn some protected area, once the trees are gone there is miracolously new land for development.

It's also not moronic, if you don't believe/care about the enviromental impact, which (sadly) tons of people don't.
I wouldn't be surprised if after some digging you find a Trumpian golf course that suddenly came to be like that. It's basically the same as just bribing some officials to rezone formerly protected areas, arguably it's often the less obvious way to do it.
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3409 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-09-01 12:39:54
September 01 2026 12:39 GMT
#118698
You're saying "if you don't believe/care about the enviromental impact" like it's some kind of aesthetic preference and not a crucial part of the biome that we depend on for organized human life.
"don't try to pull a LightSpectra-Trumper"
Jankisa
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Croatia1842 Posts
September 01 2026 12:55 GMT
#118699
Well, considering a whole side of a political spectrum has adopted climate change denial as part of their right wing aesthetic, to the point of Trump's regime paying companies doing Wind farms to stop them, I'd say that billions of people simply don't give a fuck about that.

Reasons are varied, of course, from many just being plain old stupid, to quite a few convinced by conspiracies to the ones who know how devastating that is but think that they can avoid the consequences which will mostly befall "poor people who aren't me".
So, are you a pessimist? - On my better days. Are you a nihilist? - Not as much as I should be.
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3409 Posts
September 01 2026 13:23 GMT
#118700
I'm not disputing that part, just that Bolsonaro somehow isn't moronic for letting the Amazon burn simply because his base benefited from it.

If your base wants you to drink raw sewage on public TV to own the libz, it's still not a smart thing to drink raw sewage, even though there is political gain from specifically doing that.
"don't try to pull a LightSpectra-Trumper"
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