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On April 10 2026 02:08 Billyboy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2026 01:57 Vivax wrote:
The general strategy seems to be to shoot first and negotiate later. Seems familiar.
Exemplary statesmanship. By Hezbollah or Israel? Because Israel didn’t attack in Lebanon until Hezbollah fired at them. Iran proper is the opposite of course. Lebanon’s leadership seems really tired of getting pulled into Irans war with Israel and sees the weakening of Hezbollah as a chance to finally be rid of them. It has been an awkward dance for a long time to have the most powerful army in Lebanon (or at least equal) not being the Lebanese army.
Generic US strategy of the past few years. Break into something (a country for example, but it might as well be your privacy), make no demands or generate a motive, cause damage, ask no questions. Demand victim to fix the problem they caused, like reopening the strait.
Trying to read their actions is pointless at this point. It's just flailing.
Usually on a mountain of stuff made up on the go and supported by armies of bots.
It‘s a menace they aren‘t even well equipped to deal with in the EU. Imagine on your own..,
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On April 10 2026 02:26 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2026 02:08 Billyboy wrote:On April 10 2026 01:57 Vivax wrote:
The general strategy seems to be to shoot first and negotiate later. Seems familiar.
Exemplary statesmanship. By Hezbollah or Israel? Because Israel didn’t attack in Lebanon until Hezbollah fired at them. Iran proper is the opposite of course. Lebanon’s leadership seems really tired of getting pulled into Irans war with Israel and sees the weakening of Hezbollah as a chance to finally be rid of them. It has been an awkward dance for a long time to have the most powerful army in Lebanon (or at least equal) not being the Lebanese army. Generic US strategy of the past few years. Break into something (a country for example, but it might as well be your privacy), make no demands or generate a motive, cause damage, ask no questions. Demand victim to fix the problem they caused, like reopening the strait. Trying to read their actions is pointless at this point. It's just flailing. Usually on a mountain of stuff made up on the go and supported by armies of bots. It‘s a menace they aren‘t even well equipped to deal with in the EU. Imagine on your own..,
We are talking about two separate things.
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On April 09 2026 15:30 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2026 23:15 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 08 2026 17:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 08 2026 13:02 GreenHorizons wrote:Interesting. None happening in any of the major cities in my state yet. I'm curious about others' thoughts on this "general strike"? On April 14 2025 08:15 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 14 2025 08:00 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 14 2025 07:28 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 14 2025 03:33 WombaT wrote:
Happy Day of Cake DPB! Enjoy Thanks! On April 14 2025 03:05 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 14 2025 01:27 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Probably the same reason as just about everyone else: Because I don't feel like it. I think your other questions are interesting though: I understand it does beg questions like what about undocumented immigrants being banned from the classroom? Or what about trans and/or other students just not being safe at school to the point they can't attend, without any specific ban enacted? It would seem to cross your line but also be somewhat already true. Presumably you'd also do this in solidarity with English or Science teachers even if Math was unaffected? While you should answer those questions (for yourself first), the point is to make a mark that you can measure to see if it has been passed and you have to do something radically different than you typically do under electoralism. Undocumented immigrants being removed from my classroom (although I don't even know if I have any undocumented students): I'd consider a strike. Trans/Other students feeling unsafe: I'd consider a strike if needed, though fortunately our school does a pretty good job of creating a safe and accepting culture (according to my students, including those who are LGBTQ+). The president illegally kidnapping people and shipping them to foreign prisons, then defending it in court in a way that would mean he could do that to anyone, citizen or not, is more than enough for me. I'd argue it should be more than enough for any reasonable person. Hence correcting it being a "must have" demand for a general strike I'd support.
Would you support a general strike that demanded the immediate return of Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia? What else might it demand? No. I don’t think that a math teacher refusing to teach can reasonably lead to anything so far removed and irrelevant, like what Trump did to KAAG. On the other hand, I could see how a local teacher strike might have the potential to affect a local school (students being unsafe, students not being taught, etc.). First, happy cakeday! Initially I thought "big yikes!" at the "I don't feel like it". But now I see you're making your opposition to general strikes/solidarity in actions (at distance) as concepts more clear, so it's just a regular yikes I guess haha. While I'm still hoping for contributions toward the general strike effort here from anyone that wants to stop Trump's worst offenses, I do see value in exploring what you took interest in. I could be misunderstanding, so feel free to clarify anything you'd like. You seem to be organizing your line very locally and specifically. Basically seeming to draw your line when it directly impacts you/your school/your students specifically. It sounds like it might extend as far as your district? As in you would probably join a protest/strike if trans students were banned from another one of the schools in your district. It gets less clear if you would join/support a protest/strike for them crossing your line somewhere else in the county, state, or country. I understand and appreciate your lack of recognition for how math teachers joining a general strike can contribute toward a collective and massive protest/effort of people refusing to "act normally" when such heinous crimes are being perpetrated by their elected government. I also understand your refusal to see how that massive collective effort/protest can change/stop those governments in ways scattered localized and specific protests can't. I believe it is in part a consequence of a deliberate bipartisan effort to deprive all of us of the domestic and global history that contradicts your current beliefs. That said, whether it's general strikes in Brazil, Euromaidan in Ukraine, or the George Floyd/BLM uprisings in the US, it's clearly not going to be easy to stop/redirect this train to fascism we're all on, and nobody has discovered a magic bullet solution. Thank you for the happy cake day! I think your summary of how my preference for a personal strike becomes less clear and less likely as we zoom out from local to state to national is pretty accurate. I think that drawing a line from teachers to their school is a lot simpler, clearer, and more likely to have an impact than if we were hoping that the Trump administration would decide to change (or even care) based on what one teacher or one school or even one district does. As the degrees of separation increase between the person striking and the space they want to change, I personally become more skeptical of a strike working, and therefore less likely to strike. I'm also personally pretty risk-averse, so at most levels I'm more likely to join a growing strike than to start one. I appreciate your engagement with the summary. I think it's important to understand that part of the point of a general strike is that it isn't just what "one teacher or one school or even one district" does. No one is talking about you going on a solo protest/strike. It's more like most schools in red states making school unsafe for undocumented students. Then teachers in those schools protest/strike. Then teachers in the area but not in the specific schools the kids are being kidnapped from join them in solidarity (this can be protesting, striking, providing supporting funds, etc). Then teachers in schools where their kids are safe (for now) join in protesting/striking with them. Except it brings together more than just teachers and students in a form of mutual aid. The alternative you're describing is essentially what the Niemöller quote is warning against. To stay within the context of the Niemöller quote about the erosion of rights, I think different people will "speak out" in different ways. If a strike is warranted, then I would love for a ripple effect to take place, starting with the teachers who are experiencing these injustices, and then extending outwards to include other teachers, but I don't think I'm in the first wave of that level of protest. In the meantime, I'd be happy to engage in other ways of "speaking out", from joining marches and rallies, to speaking with teachers and students and families across the country, to voting and informing other potential voters, to creating a safe and respectful space within my classroom. How do you think this fits DPB? Something you see yourself participating in? I could see myself participating in something like this, sure. (Full disclosure: According to the website, it seems to be taking place on May 1st, and I'm already *not* going to be at work that day for a different, irrelevant, not-strike-related reason. But if this were occurring on a different day where I was otherwise going to be working, then sure!) Interesting. Is anyone going to deliberately participate? TIL that the USA celebrates Labour Day on a different day to most of the world. Just like changing DST, and imperial units, a beacon of American Exceptionalism. But that does open May 1 as an excellent date for calling a general strike. Are there demands?
No Kings? Doesn't really seem like anyone here takes it seriously?
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On April 10 2026 03:22 Billyboy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2026 02:26 Vivax wrote:On April 10 2026 02:08 Billyboy wrote:On April 10 2026 01:57 Vivax wrote:
The general strategy seems to be to shoot first and negotiate later. Seems familiar.
Exemplary statesmanship. By Hezbollah or Israel? Because Israel didn’t attack in Lebanon until Hezbollah fired at them. Iran proper is the opposite of course. Lebanon’s leadership seems really tired of getting pulled into Irans war with Israel and sees the weakening of Hezbollah as a chance to finally be rid of them. It has been an awkward dance for a long time to have the most powerful army in Lebanon (or at least equal) not being the Lebanese army. Generic US strategy of the past few years. Break into something (a country for example, but it might as well be your privacy), make no demands or generate a motive, cause damage, ask no questions. Demand victim to fix the problem they caused, like reopening the strait. Trying to read their actions is pointless at this point. It's just flailing. Usually on a mountain of stuff made up on the go and supported by armies of bots. It‘s a menace they aren‘t even well equipped to deal with in the EU. Imagine on your own.., We are talking about two separate things.
Nah, it's the observable result of a bit of experimentation on my part when it comes to testing the internets tolerance in some departments that are a bit of a grey area.
Knowing about it gives you nightmares. It's not exactly the local police that pays you a visit if you make strange noise online. I'm sure they'd love to know about what the 'that' is, because it tramples their jurisdiction.
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On April 10 2026 03:25 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2026 15:30 Acrofales wrote:On April 08 2026 23:15 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 08 2026 17:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 08 2026 13:02 GreenHorizons wrote:Interesting. None happening in any of the major cities in my state yet. I'm curious about others' thoughts on this "general strike"? On April 14 2025 08:15 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 14 2025 08:00 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 14 2025 07:28 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 14 2025 03:33 WombaT wrote:
Happy Day of Cake DPB! Enjoy Thanks! On April 14 2025 03:05 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 14 2025 01:27 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
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Probably the same reason as just about everyone else: Because I don't feel like it. I think your other questions are interesting though:
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Undocumented immigrants being removed from my classroom (although I don't even know if I have any undocumented students): I'd consider a strike.
Trans/Other students feeling unsafe: I'd consider a strike if needed, though fortunately our school does a pretty good job of creating a safe and accepting culture (according to my students, including those who are LGBTQ+).
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No. I don’t think that a math teacher refusing to teach can reasonably lead to anything so far removed and irrelevant, like what Trump did to KAAG. On the other hand, I could see how a local teacher strike might have the potential to affect a local school (students being unsafe, students not being taught, etc.). First, happy cakeday! Initially I thought "big yikes!" at the "I don't feel like it". But now I see you're making your opposition to general strikes/solidarity in actions (at distance) as concepts more clear, so it's just a regular yikes I guess haha. While I'm still hoping for contributions toward the general strike effort here from anyone that wants to stop Trump's worst offenses, I do see value in exploring what you took interest in. I could be misunderstanding, so feel free to clarify anything you'd like. You seem to be organizing your line very locally and specifically. Basically seeming to draw your line when it directly impacts you/your school/your students specifically. It sounds like it might extend as far as your district? As in you would probably join a protest/strike if trans students were banned from another one of the schools in your district. It gets less clear if you would join/support a protest/strike for them crossing your line somewhere else in the county, state, or country. I understand and appreciate your lack of recognition for how math teachers joining a general strike can contribute toward a collective and massive protest/effort of people refusing to "act normally" when such heinous crimes are being perpetrated by their elected government. I also understand your refusal to see how that massive collective effort/protest can change/stop those governments in ways scattered localized and specific protests can't. I believe it is in part a consequence of a deliberate bipartisan effort to deprive all of us of the domestic and global history that contradicts your current beliefs. That said, whether it's general strikes in Brazil, Euromaidan in Ukraine, or the George Floyd/BLM uprisings in the US, it's clearly not going to be easy to stop/redirect this train to fascism we're all on, and nobody has discovered a magic bullet solution. Thank you for the happy cake day! I think your summary of how my preference for a personal strike becomes less clear and less likely as we zoom out from local to state to national is pretty accurate. I think that drawing a line from teachers to their school is a lot simpler, clearer, and more likely to have an impact than if we were hoping that the Trump administration would decide to change (or even care) based on what one teacher or one school or even one district does. As the degrees of separation increase between the person striking and the space they want to change, I personally become more skeptical of a strike working, and therefore less likely to strike. I'm also personally pretty risk-averse, so at most levels I'm more likely to join a growing strike than to start one. I appreciate your engagement with the summary. I think it's important to understand that part of the point of a general strike is that it isn't just what "one teacher or one school or even one district" does. No one is talking about you going on a solo protest/strike. It's more like most schools in red states making school unsafe for undocumented students. Then teachers in those schools protest/strike. Then teachers in the area but not in the specific schools the kids are being kidnapped from join them in solidarity (this can be protesting, striking, providing supporting funds, etc). Then teachers in schools where their kids are safe (for now) join in protesting/striking with them. Except it brings together more than just teachers and students in a form of mutual aid. The alternative you're describing is essentially what the Niemöller quote is warning against. To stay within the context of the Niemöller quote about the erosion of rights, I think different people will "speak out" in different ways. If a strike is warranted, then I would love for a ripple effect to take place, starting with the teachers who are experiencing these injustices, and then extending outwards to include other teachers, but I don't think I'm in the first wave of that level of protest. In the meantime, I'd be happy to engage in other ways of "speaking out", from joining marches and rallies, to speaking with teachers and students and families across the country, to voting and informing other potential voters, to creating a safe and respectful space within my classroom. How do you think this fits DPB? Something you see yourself participating in? I could see myself participating in something like this, sure. (Full disclosure: According to the website, it seems to be taking place on May 1st, and I'm already *not* going to be at work that day for a different, irrelevant, not-strike-related reason. But if this were occurring on a different day where I was otherwise going to be working, then sure!) Interesting. Is anyone going to deliberately participate? TIL that the USA celebrates Labour Day on a different day to most of the world. Just like changing DST, and imperial units, a beacon of American Exceptionalism. But that does open May 1 as an excellent date for calling a general strike. Are there demands? No Kings? Doesn't really seem like anyone here takes it seriously?
It’s WAY more serious than the google form you posted, which had no demands. No information at all actually.
Why the double standard?
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On April 10 2026 03:39 Billyboy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2026 03:25 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 09 2026 15:30 Acrofales wrote:On April 08 2026 23:15 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 08 2026 17:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 08 2026 13:02 GreenHorizons wrote:Interesting. None happening in any of the major cities in my state yet. I'm curious about others' thoughts on this "general strike"? On April 14 2025 08:15 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 14 2025 08:00 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 14 2025 07:28 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 14 2025 03:33 WombaT wrote:
Happy Day of Cake DPB! Enjoy Thanks! On April 14 2025 03:05 GreenHorizons wrote:[quote] First, happy cakeday! Initially I thought "big yikes!" at the "I don't feel like it". But now I see you're making your opposition to general strikes/solidarity in actions (at distance) as concepts more clear, so it's just a regular yikes I guess haha. While I'm still hoping for contributions toward the general strike effort here from anyone that wants to stop Trump's worst offenses, I do see value in exploring what you took interest in. I could be misunderstanding, so feel free to clarify anything you'd like. You seem to be organizing your line very locally and specifically. Basically seeming to draw your line when it directly impacts you/your school/your students specifically. It sounds like it might extend as far as your district? As in you would probably join a protest/strike if trans students were banned from another one of the schools in your district. It gets less clear if you would join/support a protest/strike for them crossing your line somewhere else in the county, state, or country. I understand and appreciate your lack of recognition for how math teachers joining a general strike can contribute toward a collective and massive protest/effort of people refusing to "act normally" when such heinous crimes are being perpetrated by their elected government. I also understand your refusal to see how that massive collective effort/protest can change/stop those governments in ways scattered localized and specific protests can't. I believe it is in part a consequence of a deliberate bipartisan effort to deprive all of us of the domestic and global history that contradicts your current beliefs. That said, whether it's general strikes in Brazil, Euromaidan in Ukraine, or the George Floyd/BLM uprisings in the US, it's clearly not going to be easy to stop/redirect this train to fascism we're all on, and nobody has discovered a magic bullet solution. Thank you for the happy cake day! I think your summary of how my preference for a personal strike becomes less clear and less likely as we zoom out from local to state to national is pretty accurate. I think that drawing a line from teachers to their school is a lot simpler, clearer, and more likely to have an impact than if we were hoping that the Trump administration would decide to change (or even care) based on what one teacher or one school or even one district does. As the degrees of separation increase between the person striking and the space they want to change, I personally become more skeptical of a strike working, and therefore less likely to strike. I'm also personally pretty risk-averse, so at most levels I'm more likely to join a growing strike than to start one. I appreciate your engagement with the summary. I think it's important to understand that part of the point of a general strike is that it isn't just what "one teacher or one school or even one district" does. No one is talking about you going on a solo protest/strike. It's more like most schools in red states making school unsafe for undocumented students. Then teachers in those schools protest/strike. Then teachers in the area but not in the specific schools the kids are being kidnapped from join them in solidarity (this can be protesting, striking, providing supporting funds, etc). Then teachers in schools where their kids are safe (for now) join in protesting/striking with them. Except it brings together more than just teachers and students in a form of mutual aid. The alternative you're describing is essentially what the Niemöller quote is warning against. To stay within the context of the Niemöller quote about the erosion of rights, I think different people will "speak out" in different ways. If a strike is warranted, then I would love for a ripple effect to take place, starting with the teachers who are experiencing these injustices, and then extending outwards to include other teachers, but I don't think I'm in the first wave of that level of protest. In the meantime, I'd be happy to engage in other ways of "speaking out", from joining marches and rallies, to speaking with teachers and students and families across the country, to voting and informing other potential voters, to creating a safe and respectful space within my classroom. How do you think this fits DPB? Something you see yourself participating in? I could see myself participating in something like this, sure. (Full disclosure: According to the website, it seems to be taking place on May 1st, and I'm already *not* going to be at work that day for a different, irrelevant, not-strike-related reason. But if this were occurring on a different day where I was otherwise going to be working, then sure!) Interesting. Is anyone going to deliberately participate? TIL that the USA celebrates Labour Day on a different day to most of the world. Just like changing DST, and imperial units, a beacon of American Exceptionalism. But that does open May 1 as an excellent date for calling a general strike. Are there demands? No Kings? Doesn't really seem like anyone here takes it seriously? It’s WAY more serious than the google form you posted, which had no demands. No information at all actually. Why the double standard?
Why indeed?
Sure there will be specific single-issue movements that have their aims set ahead of time, a lot start from a position of just general pissed-offness and coalesce into more actionable demands with time and momentum.
GH doesn’t seem to understand how political movements actually work though, which is quite detrimental if one is looking to lead the revolution or whatever. Or alternatively just wilfully sidesteps any kind of push that doesn’t mesh with their sensibilities. Which, hey fair enough on the latter.
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On April 10 2026 04:09 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2026 03:39 Billyboy wrote:On April 10 2026 03:25 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 09 2026 15:30 Acrofales wrote:On April 08 2026 23:15 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 08 2026 17:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 08 2026 13:02 GreenHorizons wrote:Interesting. None happening in any of the major cities in my state yet. I'm curious about others' thoughts on this "general strike"? On April 14 2025 08:15 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 14 2025 08:00 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 14 2025 07:28 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
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Thanks!
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Thank you for the happy cake day!
I think your summary of how my preference for a personal strike becomes less clear and less likely as we zoom out from local to state to national is pretty accurate. I think that drawing a line from teachers to their school is a lot simpler, clearer, and more likely to have an impact than if we were hoping that the Trump administration would decide to change (or even care) based on what one teacher or one school or even one district does. As the degrees of separation increase between the person striking and the space they want to change, I personally become more skeptical of a strike working, and therefore less likely to strike. I'm also personally pretty risk-averse, so at most levels I'm more likely to join a growing strike than to start one. I appreciate your engagement with the summary. I think it's important to understand that part of the point of a general strike is that it isn't just what "one teacher or one school or even one district" does. No one is talking about you going on a solo protest/strike. It's more like most schools in red states making school unsafe for undocumented students. Then teachers in those schools protest/strike. Then teachers in the area but not in the specific schools the kids are being kidnapped from join them in solidarity (this can be protesting, striking, providing supporting funds, etc). Then teachers in schools where their kids are safe (for now) join in protesting/striking with them. Except it brings together more than just teachers and students in a form of mutual aid. The alternative you're describing is essentially what the Niemöller quote is warning against. To stay within the context of the Niemöller quote about the erosion of rights, I think different people will "speak out" in different ways. If a strike is warranted, then I would love for a ripple effect to take place, starting with the teachers who are experiencing these injustices, and then extending outwards to include other teachers, but I don't think I'm in the first wave of that level of protest. In the meantime, I'd be happy to engage in other ways of "speaking out", from joining marches and rallies, to speaking with teachers and students and families across the country, to voting and informing other potential voters, to creating a safe and respectful space within my classroom. How do you think this fits DPB? Something you see yourself participating in? I could see myself participating in something like this, sure. (Full disclosure: According to the website, it seems to be taking place on May 1st, and I'm already *not* going to be at work that day for a different, irrelevant, not-strike-related reason. But if this were occurring on a different day where I was otherwise going to be working, then sure!) Interesting. Is anyone going to deliberately participate? TIL that the USA celebrates Labour Day on a different day to most of the world. Just like changing DST, and imperial units, a beacon of American Exceptionalism. But that does open May 1 as an excellent date for calling a general strike. Are there demands? No Kings? Doesn't really seem like anyone here takes it seriously? It’s WAY more serious than the google form you posted, which had no demands. No information at all actually. Why the double standard? Why indeed? Sure there will be specific single-issue movements that have their aims set ahead of time, a lot start from a position of just general pissed-offness and coalesce into more actionable demands with time and momentum. GH doesn’t seem to understand how political movements actually work though, which is quite detrimental if one is looking to lead the revolution or whatever. Or alternatively just wilfully sidesteps any kind of push that doesn’t mesh with their sensibilities. Which, hey fair enough on the latter.
This is chickenshit engagement and you're better than that.
Just to be clear:
Here is the General Strike effort I've referenced previously
https://generalstrikeus.com/demands
This is the one LightSpectra mentioned and Acro asked about the demands of:
https://maydaystrong.org/
While I prefer the (imperfect) one I mentioned for reasons we could get into (we could put easily identifiable demands on the list), I still prefer the second to the standard framing of the "No Kings Protests". I mentioned this previously
“The next major national action of this movement is not just going to be another protest,”
“It is a tactical escalation. It is an economic show of force.”
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On April 10 2026 04:21 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2026 04:09 WombaT wrote:On April 10 2026 03:39 Billyboy wrote:On April 10 2026 03:25 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 09 2026 15:30 Acrofales wrote:On April 08 2026 23:15 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 08 2026 17:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 08 2026 13:02 GreenHorizons wrote:Interesting. None happening in any of the major cities in my state yet. I'm curious about others' thoughts on this "general strike"? On April 14 2025 08:15 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 14 2025 08:00 GreenHorizons wrote:
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I appreciate your engagement with the summary.
I think it's important to understand that part of the point of a general strike is that it isn't just what "one teacher or one school or even one district" does. No one is talking about you going on a solo protest/strike.
It's more like most schools in red states making school unsafe for undocumented students. Then teachers in those schools protest/strike. Then teachers in the area but not in the specific schools the kids are being kidnapped from join them in solidarity (this can be protesting, striking, providing supporting funds, etc). Then teachers in schools where their kids are safe (for now) join in protesting/striking with them. Except it brings together more than just teachers and students in a form of mutual aid.
The alternative you're describing is essentially what the Niemöller quote is warning against. To stay within the context of the Niemöller quote about the erosion of rights, I think different people will "speak out" in different ways. If a strike is warranted, then I would love for a ripple effect to take place, starting with the teachers who are experiencing these injustices, and then extending outwards to include other teachers, but I don't think I'm in the first wave of that level of protest. In the meantime, I'd be happy to engage in other ways of "speaking out", from joining marches and rallies, to speaking with teachers and students and families across the country, to voting and informing other potential voters, to creating a safe and respectful space within my classroom. How do you think this fits DPB? Something you see yourself participating in? I could see myself participating in something like this, sure. (Full disclosure: According to the website, it seems to be taking place on May 1st, and I'm already *not* going to be at work that day for a different, irrelevant, not-strike-related reason. But if this were occurring on a different day where I was otherwise going to be working, then sure!) Interesting. Is anyone going to deliberately participate? TIL that the USA celebrates Labour Day on a different day to most of the world. Just like changing DST, and imperial units, a beacon of American Exceptionalism. But that does open May 1 as an excellent date for calling a general strike. Are there demands? No Kings? Doesn't really seem like anyone here takes it seriously? It’s WAY more serious than the google form you posted, which had no demands. No information at all actually. Why the double standard? Why indeed? Sure there will be specific single-issue movements that have their aims set ahead of time, a lot start from a position of just general pissed-offness and coalesce into more actionable demands with time and momentum. GH doesn’t seem to understand how political movements actually work though, which is quite detrimental if one is looking to lead the revolution or whatever. Or alternatively just wilfully sidesteps any kind of push that doesn’t mesh with their sensibilities. Which, hey fair enough on the latter. This is chickenshit engagement and you're better than that. Just to be clear: Here is the General Strike effort I've referenced previously https://generalstrikeus.com/demandsThis is the one LightSpectra mentioned and Acro asked about the demands of: https://maydaystrong.org/While I prefer the (imperfect) one I mentioned for reasons we could get into (we could put easily identifiable demands on the list), I still prefer the second to the standard framing of the "No Kings Protests". I mentioned this previouslyShow nested quote +“The next major national action of this movement is not just going to be another protest,”
“It is a tactical escalation. It is an economic show of force.”
That is not a list of demands, it is slogans. Most of them mean something totally different to different people.
And in the months since you first posted it the numbers barely grown to still not remotely close to the number they want. Which would still require everyone who signs to actually follow through, which is extremely unlikely.
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On April 10 2026 04:21 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2026 04:09 WombaT wrote:On April 10 2026 03:39 Billyboy wrote:On April 10 2026 03:25 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 09 2026 15:30 Acrofales wrote:On April 08 2026 23:15 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 08 2026 17:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 08 2026 13:02 GreenHorizons wrote:Interesting. None happening in any of the major cities in my state yet. I'm curious about others' thoughts on this "general strike"? On April 14 2025 08:15 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 14 2025 08:00 GreenHorizons wrote:
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I appreciate your engagement with the summary.
I think it's important to understand that part of the point of a general strike is that it isn't just what "one teacher or one school or even one district" does. No one is talking about you going on a solo protest/strike.
It's more like most schools in red states making school unsafe for undocumented students. Then teachers in those schools protest/strike. Then teachers in the area but not in the specific schools the kids are being kidnapped from join them in solidarity (this can be protesting, striking, providing supporting funds, etc). Then teachers in schools where their kids are safe (for now) join in protesting/striking with them. Except it brings together more than just teachers and students in a form of mutual aid.
The alternative you're describing is essentially what the Niemöller quote is warning against. To stay within the context of the Niemöller quote about the erosion of rights, I think different people will "speak out" in different ways. If a strike is warranted, then I would love for a ripple effect to take place, starting with the teachers who are experiencing these injustices, and then extending outwards to include other teachers, but I don't think I'm in the first wave of that level of protest. In the meantime, I'd be happy to engage in other ways of "speaking out", from joining marches and rallies, to speaking with teachers and students and families across the country, to voting and informing other potential voters, to creating a safe and respectful space within my classroom. How do you think this fits DPB? Something you see yourself participating in? I could see myself participating in something like this, sure. (Full disclosure: According to the website, it seems to be taking place on May 1st, and I'm already *not* going to be at work that day for a different, irrelevant, not-strike-related reason. But if this were occurring on a different day where I was otherwise going to be working, then sure!) Interesting. Is anyone going to deliberately participate? TIL that the USA celebrates Labour Day on a different day to most of the world. Just like changing DST, and imperial units, a beacon of American Exceptionalism. But that does open May 1 as an excellent date for calling a general strike. Are there demands? No Kings? Doesn't really seem like anyone here takes it seriously? It’s WAY more serious than the google form you posted, which had no demands. No information at all actually. Why the double standard? Why indeed? Sure there will be specific single-issue movements that have their aims set ahead of time, a lot start from a position of just general pissed-offness and coalesce into more actionable demands with time and momentum. GH doesn’t seem to understand how political movements actually work though, which is quite detrimental if one is looking to lead the revolution or whatever. Or alternatively just wilfully sidesteps any kind of push that doesn’t mesh with their sensibilities. Which, hey fair enough on the latter. This is chickenshit engagement and you're better than that. Just to be clear: Here is the General Strike effort I've referenced previously https://generalstrikeus.com/demandsThis is the one LightSpectra mentioned and Acro asked about the demands of: https://maydaystrong.org/While I prefer the (imperfect) one I mentioned for reasons we could get into (we could put easily identifiable demands on the list), I still prefer the second to the standard framing of the "No Kings Protests". I mentioned this previouslyShow nested quote +“The next major national action of this movement is not just going to be another protest,”
“It is a tactical escalation. It is an economic show of force.”
It’s not exactly a country with a storied history in mass strikes, good luck with that.
If I could snap my fingers and guarantee a massed strike on basically any issue where 55-60% of people agreed, it would work, 100%
But one can’t do that, so we either roll with the realistic, or work towards such a thing in the longer term.
End of the day the folks going to things like the No More Kings protests are going to have [i]vastly[/i/] differing ideas on what their ideal society looks like. They’re merely temporarily joined by all hating the Orange One
It is what it is, work with it or not.
It’s the Petri dish where one gets the raw material to shape in whatever way, this ‘movement’ as it were isn’t [i]meant[/i/] to be providing a 10 point plan of actionable solutions.
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On April 10 2026 04:48 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2026 04:21 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 10 2026 04:09 WombaT wrote:On April 10 2026 03:39 Billyboy wrote:On April 10 2026 03:25 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 09 2026 15:30 Acrofales wrote:On April 08 2026 23:15 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 08 2026 17:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 08 2026 13:02 GreenHorizons wrote:Interesting. None happening in any of the major cities in my state yet. I'm curious about others' thoughts on this "general strike"? On April 14 2025 08:15 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
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To stay within the context of the Niemöller quote about the erosion of rights, I think different people will "speak out" in different ways. If a strike is warranted, then I would love for a ripple effect to take place, starting with the teachers who are experiencing these injustices, and then extending outwards to include other teachers, but I don't think I'm in the first wave of that level of protest. In the meantime, I'd be happy to engage in other ways of "speaking out", from joining marches and rallies, to speaking with teachers and students and families across the country, to voting and informing other potential voters, to creating a safe and respectful space within my classroom. How do you think this fits DPB? Something you see yourself participating in? I could see myself participating in something like this, sure. (Full disclosure: According to the website, it seems to be taking place on May 1st, and I'm already *not* going to be at work that day for a different, irrelevant, not-strike-related reason. But if this were occurring on a different day where I was otherwise going to be working, then sure!) Interesting. Is anyone going to deliberately participate? TIL that the USA celebrates Labour Day on a different day to most of the world. Just like changing DST, and imperial units, a beacon of American Exceptionalism. But that does open May 1 as an excellent date for calling a general strike. Are there demands? No Kings? Doesn't really seem like anyone here takes it seriously? It’s WAY more serious than the google form you posted, which had no demands. No information at all actually. Why the double standard? Why indeed? Sure there will be specific single-issue movements that have their aims set ahead of time, a lot start from a position of just general pissed-offness and coalesce into more actionable demands with time and momentum. GH doesn’t seem to understand how political movements actually work though, which is quite detrimental if one is looking to lead the revolution or whatever. Or alternatively just wilfully sidesteps any kind of push that doesn’t mesh with their sensibilities. Which, hey fair enough on the latter. This is chickenshit engagement and you're better than that. Just to be clear: Here is the General Strike effort I've referenced previously https://generalstrikeus.com/demandsThis is the one LightSpectra mentioned and Acro asked about the demands of: https://maydaystrong.org/While I prefer the (imperfect) one I mentioned for reasons we could get into (we could put easily identifiable demands on the list), I still prefer the second to the standard framing of the "No Kings Protests". I mentioned this previously“The next major national action of this movement is not just going to be another protest,”
“It is a tactical escalation. It is an economic show of force.”
It’s not exactly a country with a storied history in mass strikes, good luck with that. If I could snap my fingers and guarantee a massed strike on basically any issue where 55-60% of people agreed, it would work, 100%
That's a trash non sequitur response.
Did you have a point you were trying to make?
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United States44242 Posts
GH is aware that so far his plan hasn’t achieved anything but he sees nothing wrong with the plan and won’t accept any criticism of it. It’ll remain the same and the reasons it failed in the past will also remain but we can’t talk about that and if you do you’re a counterrevolutionary.
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Opening the strait went so well that they had to send Melania to hold a press conference about Epstein and bring him back to the top of the headline pile
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Northern Ireland27265 Posts
On April 10 2026 04:53 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2026 04:48 WombaT wrote:On April 10 2026 04:21 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 10 2026 04:09 WombaT wrote:On April 10 2026 03:39 Billyboy wrote:On April 10 2026 03:25 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 09 2026 15:30 Acrofales wrote:On April 08 2026 23:15 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 08 2026 17:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 08 2026 13:02 GreenHorizons wrote:
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Interesting. None happening in any of the major cities in my state yet. I'm curious about others' thoughts on this "general strike"?
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How do you think this fits DPB? Something you see yourself participating in? I could see myself participating in something like this, sure. (Full disclosure: According to the website, it seems to be taking place on May 1st, and I'm already *not* going to be at work that day for a different, irrelevant, not-strike-related reason. But if this were occurring on a different day where I was otherwise going to be working, then sure!) Interesting. Is anyone going to deliberately participate? TIL that the USA celebrates Labour Day on a different day to most of the world. Just like changing DST, and imperial units, a beacon of American Exceptionalism. But that does open May 1 as an excellent date for calling a general strike. Are there demands? No Kings? Doesn't really seem like anyone here takes it seriously? It’s WAY more serious than the google form you posted, which had no demands. No information at all actually. Why the double standard? Why indeed? Sure there will be specific single-issue movements that have their aims set ahead of time, a lot start from a position of just general pissed-offness and coalesce into more actionable demands with time and momentum. GH doesn’t seem to understand how political movements actually work though, which is quite detrimental if one is looking to lead the revolution or whatever. Or alternatively just wilfully sidesteps any kind of push that doesn’t mesh with their sensibilities. Which, hey fair enough on the latter. This is chickenshit engagement and you're better than that. Just to be clear: Here is the General Strike effort I've referenced previously https://generalstrikeus.com/demandsThis is the one LightSpectra mentioned and Acro asked about the demands of: https://maydaystrong.org/While I prefer the (imperfect) one I mentioned for reasons we could get into (we could put easily identifiable demands on the list), I still prefer the second to the standard framing of the "No Kings Protests". I mentioned this previously“The next major national action of this movement is not just going to be another protest,”
“It is a tactical escalation. It is an economic show of force.”
It’s not exactly a country with a storied history in mass strikes, good luck with that. If I could snap my fingers and guarantee a massed strike on basically any issue where 55-60% of people agreed, it would work, 100% That's a trash non sequitur response. Did you have a point you were trying to make?
How’s it a non sequitur? The US does not have a tradition of things like general strikes in its history. It doesn’t even have a strong tradition in union membership and activity, it doesn’t have a particularly strong tradition of disruptive protest either.
If one’s plan is for those to suddenly be flipped, it’s either not a good plan, or a very good one that needs enacted ASAP.
The UK is piss poor in those areas, but it’s still leagues ahead of the US. Never mind somewhere like France where people will strike at the drop of a hat.
You live in what effectively is the planetary epicentre of capitalist boot licking
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On April 10 2026 05:12 KwarK wrote:
GH is aware that so far his plan hasn’t achieved anything but he sees nothing wrong with the plan and won’t accept any criticism of it. It’ll remain the same and the reasons it failed in the past will also remain but we can’t talk about that and if you do you’re a counterrevolutionary.
I don't even know what you think "his plan" is? I'm confident based on reading your various caricatures of me that each of you has an at least slightly different idea of it though.
Some of you want socialism, some of you don't, some people (not saying anyone here) will exploit the "Orange Man Bad" overlap among those people to undermine socialism and further entrench a racial capitalism that is dependent on super-exploitation to bribe domestic workers with what seems to be dwindling crumbs even in Europe.
I'm very open to real discussions about how best to deal with all that and more.
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On April 10 2026 05:28 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2026 05:12 KwarK wrote:
GH is aware that so far his plan hasn’t achieved anything but he sees nothing wrong with the plan and won’t accept any criticism of it. It’ll remain the same and the reasons it failed in the past will also remain but we can’t talk about that and if you do you’re a counterrevolutionary. I don't even know what you think "his plan" is? I'm confident based on reading your various caricatures of me that each of you has an at least slightly different idea of it though. Some of you want socialism, some of you don't, some people (not saying anyone here) will exploit the "Orange Man Bad" overlap among those people to undermine socialism and further entrench a racial capitalism that is dependent on super-exploitation to bribe domestic workers with what seems to be dwindling crumbs even in Europe. I'm very open to real discussions about how best to deal with all that and more.
Best one can do individually is being as autonomous as possible or being in an union. Still doesn't exempt you from the rules of the local government unless you're living on a ship in international waters.
Finland's already showing how it can work with proportional fines to stop crime from being legal if you're wealthy enough.
The EU's super late to preventing the US from weaponizing the internet while they elected the guy twice who wants to isolate his nation from the rest of the world.
Sometimes you just gotta accept it's cooked, get some f-u-money and go somewhere the show isn't run by maniacs. Or at least they aren't in reach to do more harm (they are in reach in Austria).
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On April 10 2026 05:12 KwarK wrote:
GH is aware that so far his plan hasn’t achieved anything but he sees nothing wrong with the plan and won’t accept any criticism of it. It’ll remain the same and the reasons it failed in the past will also remain but we can’t talk about that and if you do you’re a counterrevolutionary.
I have never understood who is supposed to do the revolution GH advocates. The chances the Americans of all people are interested in any of that socialist new world is exactly zero. They can’t even take the public transports.
There have been numerous examples of revolutionaries confronted with the fact the people they were supposed to represent didn’t want anything to do with their ideas, and it’s never finished very well.
Saving America from itself has never been about making a revolution, it would require to change an entire culture and people’s mentalities drastically. That’s less fun and exciting and requires much more patience.
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On April 10 2026 05:49 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2026 05:12 KwarK wrote:
GH is aware that so far his plan hasn’t achieved anything but he sees nothing wrong with the plan and won’t accept any criticism of it. It’ll remain the same and the reasons it failed in the past will also remain but we can’t talk about that and if you do you’re a counterrevolutionary. I have never understood who is supposed to do the revolution GH advocates. + Show Spoiler +The chances the Americans of all people are interested in any of that socialist new world is exactly zero. They can’t even take the public transports.
There have been numerous examples of revolutionaries confronted with the fact the people they were supposed to represent didn’t want anything to do with their ideas, and it’s never finished very well.
Saving America from itself has never been about making a revolution, it would require to change an entire culture and people’s mentalities drastically. That’s less fun and exciting and requires much more patience.
I mean... as many of us as care about our families? This is pretty much what I'm talking about when I said: maybe we can do our little parts and escape the skepticism of the world looking in at what seems like an idiocracy black hole getting what it deserves while trying to figure out how best to escape our event horizon
It is, and has been for centuries in the context of the Black Radical Tradition, a "less fun and exciting" process requiring great deals of patience.
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United States44242 Posts
On April 10 2026 05:28 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2026 05:12 KwarK wrote:
GH is aware that so far his plan hasn’t achieved anything but he sees nothing wrong with the plan and won’t accept any criticism of it. It’ll remain the same and the reasons it failed in the past will also remain but we can’t talk about that and if you do you’re a counterrevolutionary. I don't even know what you think "his plan" is? I'm confident based on reading your various caricatures of me that each of you has an at least slightly different idea of it though. Some of you want socialism, some of you don't, some people (not saying anyone here) will exploit the "Orange Man Bad" overlap among those people to undermine socialism and further entrench a racial capitalism that is dependent on super-exploitation to bribe domestic workers with what seems to be dwindling crumbs even in Europe. I'm very open to real discussions about how best to deal with all that and more.
Remember a few years ago when there was that Facebook event to storm Area 51 because if enough people show up then the government can’t stop all of them? And the guy who made the event wanted you to invite all your Facebook friends so it would go viral. Your plan is roughly the same as his but the details are substantially less worked out.
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Northern Ireland27265 Posts
On April 10 2026 09:31 LightSpectra wrote:Presented without comment
Dignity, poise, a real sharp articulation, is there anything this President doesn’t have in his locker?
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