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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17895 Posts
On March 31 2026 23:14 WombaT wrote: Nobody claimed you were anti-Semitic for ‘observing too many information sources’ man i can't remember the guy's name. It was in the palestine thread i think. its hilarious. my mom and dad don't think i'm anti semitic and they are jewish. if anything, they say i am too "pro jewish". I'll go with my parents on this one. | ||
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oBlade
United States6540 Posts
On March 31 2026 23:24 misirlou wrote: Maybe it's a joke to you, but not to millions of americans who will willingly follow him to a third term. You know this. but instead you decide to try to troll me. /shrug What troll you? The post was not to you, your gullibility caused you to become tricked by a joke unrelated to you. You live in Portugal, aren't a US citizen, and spend a nonzero portion of your day in the headspace worried that Donald Trump is so fascist he will trample the Constitution in order to... leave it up to the people's vote by running for election he's not eligible for? But not fascist enough to just stay in power. That makes no sense whatsoever and I feel nothing but sorry for you. | ||
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Vivax
22415 Posts
On March 31 2026 23:33 oBlade wrote: What troll you? The post was not to you, your gullibility caused you to become tricked by a joke unrelated to you. You live in Portugal, aren't a US citizen, and spend a nonzero portion of your day in the headspace worried that Donald Trump is so fascist he will trample the Constitution in order to... leave it up to the people's vote by running for election he's not eligible for? But not fascist enough to just stay in power. That makes no sense whatsoever and I feel nothing but sorry for you. He's threatening to leave NATO because Spain refused to provide air bases, even though NATO is a defensive alliance. Whether Europeans like it or not, they are forced to have him living in their heads rent-free because he's behaving like a threat to international security. Whether he does it cause he's being blackmailed is another debate. Not like he's going to tell you. When NATO members attacked Lybia and Iraq it worked out because diplomacy wasn't this ass. | ||
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Billyboy
2463 Posts
On March 31 2026 23:33 oBlade wrote: What troll you? The post was not to you, your gullibility caused you to become tricked by a joke unrelated to you. You live in Portugal, aren't a US citizen, and spend a nonzero portion of your day in the headspace worried that Donald Trump is so fascist he will trample the Constitution in order to... leave it up to the people's vote by running for election he's not eligible for? But not fascist enough to just stay in power. That makes no sense whatsoever and I feel nothing but sorry for you. The whole world is grappling with Trumpflation. | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia1757 Posts
Plus, this is like the 3rd time you referenced being called for your posting of anti-Semitic conspiracy theories but now, all of the sudden you are pretending like you can't even remember who it was, even after you brought it up in this thread and that one 3 times, come on buddy. It's almost as silly as oBlade here constructing straw men in every conversation plus going back to the age old conservative (sorry, centrist) trick of: ![[image loading]](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/8/3/837cd6c695eb92d2b617738399249e319267a5d6.jpeg) | ||
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misirlou
Portugal3316 Posts
On March 31 2026 23:33 oBlade wrote: What troll you? The post was not to you, your gullibility caused you to become tricked by a joke unrelated to you. You live in Portugal, aren't a US citizen, and spend a nonzero portion of your day in the headspace worried that Donald Trump is so fascist he will trample the Constitution in order to... leave it up to the people's vote by running for election he's not eligible for? But not fascist enough to just stay in power. That makes no sense whatsoever and I feel nothing but sorry for you. Except I didn't say they'd vote for him, I said they'd follow him. I feel nothing but disgust by you. I'd feel sorry but you want to be the way you are. Oil prices going up = every Portuguese person pays more at the pump. And grocery prices go up. I don't own a car, but I do need food and water to survive, and power(eletricity) to work and provide me the amenities I use to live with some comfort, which also goes up regardless of my country eletricity being 70% renewable and hitting 80% spikes this year. If I talk about how it personally affects me, surely I get the point across to someone who is so god damn self centered right? | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10960 Posts
A good friend works at a big international industrial company (not in the energy sector). They got facilities in Switzerland, Germany, France, India, Brasil and the US. They now send GAS from, famously rich on natural ressources, Switzerland to India because else they couldn't friggin cook anymore in their employe cantine at the factory in India. There is no more Gas to buy. Indian electricity largely comes from individual generators, not actual power plants. Gas and Oil are getting heavily rationed and it doesn't look any better in many other Asian countries. If India has trouble getting Gas, people actually can't cook their food. Sri Lanka has declared all Wednesdays off to safe Gas/Oil/Fuel... For these countries this is not just some price hike, it's an actual crysis and I doubt they blame Iran. In fact I have yet to see ANYONE blaming Iran when not counting american doomsday cultists. This is extremly underreported, meanwhile Trump is bitching about Europe not helping him in this madness. Trump isn't making life uncomfortable for europeans aside from some higher Oil/Gas prices, fuck you for that but most of us can afford it whiteout major issues, he's mainly fucking over large parts of Asia and these countries are much poorer. I hope you guys get every bit of payback you deserve for this absolutely unecessary act of idiocy and arrogance. | ||
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oBlade
United States6540 Posts
On March 31 2026 23:42 Vivax wrote: He's threatening to leave NATO because Spain refused to provide air bases, even though NATO is a defensive alliance. Whether Europeans like it or not, they are forced to have him living in their heads rent-free because he's behaving like a threat to international security. Whether he does it cause he's being blackmailed is another debate. Not like he's going to tell you. When NATO members attacked Lybia and Iraq it worked out because diplomacy wasn't this ass. "Even though" is an interesting phrasing. Alliances are almost inherently defensive when made in peacetime. The US is not in Iran to annex it, it's to protect the whole world from linked terror attacks and missile strikes. Which the UK has admitted breaking up Iranian terror plots, and we know NOW Iranian missiles range European capitals. Almost nothing NATO has done in its history is at the Article 5 level "it's just defense." It's not just defensive, it's an alliance. It shouldn't be harder to get basic cooperation from someone you are in a literal treaty with than with Saudi Arabia where you have bases. That is Spain's problem and obviously the US isn't leaving NATO but possibly Spain should consider it, but then the US and Spain have never been as close as the US and France or UK, the other actual nuclear members. Intervention in Libya was a success because Gaddafi had already given up all his WMD programs, leaving just the army of Libya which was a paltry nothing. Saying that Iraq worked out is not common but I'm glad you agree, but the scope and requirements to do what the US is doing in Iran now don't seem to be near what it took to occupy Iraq. Iran would be somewhere between those. I doubt the US needs much help but "no you can't land here" is just petty, which is the same as saying "waa I'm going to leave NATO" but the former actually happened and the latter is just shittalking. On March 31 2026 23:58 misirlou wrote: Except I didn't say they'd vote for him, I said they'd follow him. I didn't say you said they would vote for him. It's implied someone has to vote for him in order for him to win the third term which was the crux of the joke. Because elections are decided by voting. If he runs in an election he's not eligible for and loses then what was the fucking point. | ||
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misirlou
Portugal3316 Posts
On April 01 2026 00:06 oBlade wrote: It shouldn't be harder to get basic cooperation from someone you are in a literal treaty with than with Saudi Arabia where you have bases https://www.cnbc.com/2026/03/20/trump-pearl-harbor-japan-takaichi-iran-war.html Trump said that Washington didn’t inform allies about the strikes on Iran because “we wanted surprise.” It would be easier to get basic cooperation from someone you are in a literal treaty with than with Saudi Arabia where you have bases if you plan things with them, not against them | ||
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misirlou
Portugal3316 Posts
On April 01 2026 00:06 oBlade wrote: I didn't say you said they would vote for him. It's implied someone has to vote for him in order for him to win the third term which was the crux of the joke. Because elections are decided by voting. If he runs in an election he's not eligible for and loses then what was the fucking point. Is it?! leave it up to the people's vote by running for election he's not eligible for? But not fascist enough to just stay in power. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5226 Posts
Iran is maybe a threat to Israel, and even then they were mostly keeping to themselves. At least I didn't hear widespread reporting of all these global terror threats. Maybe I'm just willingly looking under all the wrong rocks. | ||
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misirlou
Portugal3316 Posts
On April 01 2026 00:15 Uldridge wrote: Iran was so much involved in global terror, the US decided it needed to step up to the plate and actually terrorize the entire world into poverty, including itself. Iran is maybe a threat to Israel, and even then they were mostly keeping to themselves. At least I didn't hear widespread reporting of all these global terror threats. Maybe I'm just willingly looking under all the wrong rocks. It's under the same rock as Sadam's WMDs | ||
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oBlade
United States6540 Posts
On April 01 2026 00:10 misirlou wrote: https://www.cnbc.com/2026/03/20/trump-pearl-harbor-japan-takaichi-iran-war.html It would be easier to get basic cooperation from someone you are in a literal treaty with than with Saudi Arabia where you have bases if you plan things with them, not against them This argument works for the first day of the war only. Not for the month after that. "We want to land a bunch of planes here for a bit." "Why?" "Uh... NATO." "Mmm, no thanks we're good." *BOOM* "...Oh, I get it now. Yes use this runway." Once the cat is out of the bag and the secrecy of the surprise attack is not necessary to maintain anymore. It wouldn't make sense for a mature nation state to carry a grudge that they weren't informed earlier and allow that to poison the otherwise existing opportunity for cooperation on strategic goals that they agree on. Which is why France and the UK are also more cooperative despite having been equally in the dark. Something else is going on with Spain. They may simply not want to expose themselves to terror reprisals caused by the tacit approval of passive cooperation. | ||
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Vivax
22415 Posts
On April 01 2026 00:06 oBlade wrote: "Even though" is an interesting phrasing. Alliances are almost inherently defensive when made in peacetime. The US is not in Iran to annex it, it's to protect the whole world from linked terror attacks and missile strikes. Which the UK has admitted breaking up Iranian terror plots, and we know NOW Iranian missiles range European capitals. Almost nothing NATO has done in its history is at the Article 5 level "it's just defense." It's not just defensive, it's an alliance. It shouldn't be harder to get basic cooperation from someone you are in a literal treaty with than with Saudi Arabia where you have bases. That is Spain's problem and obviously the US isn't leaving NATO but possibly Spain should consider it, but then the US and Spain have never been as close as the US and France or UK, the other actual nuclear members. Intervention in Libya was a success because Gaddafi had already given up all his WMD programs, leaving just the army of Libya which was a paltry nothing. Saying that Iraq worked out is not common but I'm glad you agree, but the scope and requirements to do what the US is doing in Iran now don't seem to be near what it took to occupy Iraq. Iran would be somewhere between those. I doubt the US needs much help but "no you can't land here" is just petty, which is the same as saying "waa I'm going to leave NATO" but the former actually happened and the latter is just shittalking. I didn't say you said they would vote for him. It's implied someone has to vote for him in order for him to win the third term which was the crux of the joke. Because elections are decided by voting. If he runs in an election he's not eligible for and loses then what was the fucking point. I didn't see news about any negotiations or proof that Iran was building nukes, did you? If it were there, a democracy wouldn't have to hide it. Wantonly slapping tariffs on NATO members doesn't really pave the way for negotiations to be taken seriously either. I'm not aware of Iranian terrorism in recent times either. And they had a lot of opportunities to target ships in the area. Maybe because they weren't in the vicinity of so called Venezuelan narcoterrorists ? Where's the process of sharing evidence of a threat, planning action and coordinating it ? | ||
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misirlou
Portugal3316 Posts
"Why?" "Uh... NATO." https://www.sabado.pt/portugal/detalhe/carta-com-mais-de-100-assinaturas-pede-esclarecimentos-sobre-passagem-pela-base-das-lajes-de-avioes-com-destino-a-israel https://www.publico.pt/2010/12/13/jornal/socrates-deu-ok-ao-repatriamento-de-presos--via-base-das-lajes-20818976 (yes our PM approved this one, but it was so unpopular it didn't come to light for 3 years ) A nato alliance airbase being used for prisoner transports and sending f35s to israel. All with nato's best interests and approval surely. And that's just the portuguese examples I remember from the top of my head e: and we're all just skipping over the fact that 2 months earlier, US kidnapped a head of state. Yeah, go ahead, use our airbases and don't tell us what it's for. Dimwitpolitics | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22630 Posts
But Iran wasn't sending missiles our way before you attacked them "doesn't matter they could have, maybe. So be thankful" No, you caused the greatest energy crisis in modern history and its going to get worse. Fucking American diplomacy according to Oblade. | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8760 Posts
woe to the US and its championship level idiotic leadership in this still young century when that happens. burning through money and credibility at breakneck speeds will have consequences, it is not the 70's anymore where anything goes. or the 90s. or the 2010s where even after all the BS war on terror and a GFC draining even more resources and accruing unsustainable debt will seem like a far away problem. the "I got mine too bad about yours, you weakling" POTUS: Trump lashes out at UK and France, telling allies ‘the U.S.A. won’t be there to help you anymore’@CNBC Posting on Truth Social, Trump said, “the Country of France wouldn’t let planes headed to Israel, loaded up with military supplies, fly over French territory.” “France has been VERY UNHELPFUL with respect to the ‘Butcher of Iran,’ who has been successfully eliminated! The U.S.A. will REMEMBER!!!,” he said in one post. In another post, the president singled out the U.K. for criticism while urging other countries to take action in the Strait of Hormuz, the vital oil route that Iran has effectively blocked during the war. “All of those countries that can’t get jet fuel because of the Strait of Hormuz, like the United Kingdom, which refused to get involved in the decapitation of Iran, I have a suggestion for you,” Trump wrote. “Number 1, buy from the U.S., we have plenty, and Number 2, build up some delayed courage, go to the Strait, and just TAKE IT.” “You’ll have to start learning how to fight for yourself, the U.S.A. won’t be there to help you anymore, just like you weren’t there for us. Iran has been, essentially, decimated. The hard part is done. Go get your own oil!,” he wrote. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth piled on at a press briefing later Tuesday morning. “There are countries around the world who ought be prepared to step up on this critical waterway as well,” he said. “It’s not just the United States Navy. Last time I checked, there was supposed to be a big, bad Royal Navy that could be prepared to do things like that as well.” When asked if reopening the strait is a core objective for the U.S. to end the war, Hegseth said defeating Iran’s navy remains a key goal, but clearing the waterway is not just the U.S.′ “problem set.” “I think other countries should pay attention” to Trump’s words, Hegseth said, referring to the Truth Social posts. “He’s pointing out, you know, might want to start learning how to fight for yourself.” entitlement and stupidity without an end in sight. his own voters will have to learn to budget pretty hard. necessities of daily life like a full gas of tank, especially with how car dependent US cities are, being next in line of becoming prohibitively expensive will rear its ugly head. I don't think anyone will like when that levy breaks. at least you already have that militarized police I guess. | ||
KwarK
United States44353 Posts
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misirlou
Portugal3316 Posts
You’ll have to start learning how to fight for yourself, the U.S.A. won’t be there to help you anymore, just like you weren’t there for us. We learned civility and diplomacy. The US went, fucked that up for us, then turns around and accuses us of being unhelpful and uncourageous. It's beyond words. “I think other countries should pay attention” to Trump’s words, Hegseth said, referring to the Truth Social posts. Geopolitics through social media. [a spun off social media because traditional social media, owned by his buddy musk, was too woke or something]After all this you still think there is a shred of decency, intelligence and good governing, a presidency and political party to defend and stand for. HOW?! | ||
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oBlade
United States6540 Posts
On April 01 2026 00:22 Vivax wrote: I didn't see news about any negotiations or proof that Iran was building nukes, did you? If it were there, a democracy wouldn't have to hide it. Wantonly slapping tariffs on NATO members doesn't really pave the way for negotiations to be taken seriously either. I'm not aware of Iranian terrorism in recent times either. And they had a lot of opportunities to target ships in the area. Maybe because they weren't in the vicinity of so called Venezuelan narcoterrorists ? Where's the process of sharing evidence of a threat, planning action and coordinating it ? They fund terror by proxies. The only direct terrorism they do is against their own people and the Kurds. Ali Motahari is on video saying the entire goal is a nuclear bomb. There wouldn't have been a need for a nuclear deal if they weren't trying to make a bomb. Trump wouldn't have left the deal on the argument that it wasn't effective at stopping them from making a bomb if they weren't going to make a bomb anyway. You need to set a fixed goalpost of what you think proof is that's reasonable first. Because if everything short of a finished and tested nuclear bomb is to be twisted as evidence against a program with the goal of making a nuclear bomb, on the argument they haven't finished it yet, there's no point. For example, imagine a nuclear bomb with only enough material for half a core. Everything else finished. Imagine a nuclear bomb with everything except one krytron missing in the trigger. How do we know they'd really add the last krytron to make it functional? Draw a line for yourself and see if you're being reasonable or just think every claim to WMD aspirations is a Western conspiracy and no totalitarian government would ever actually go for it. On April 01 2026 00:39 KwarK wrote: All of you are forgetting that it is the stated and not retracted absolute position of oblade that Iran was already defeated a month ago. There is no Iran. He saw it on Fox News. My mistake they're definitely winning. Blumpf will surrender anytime now. The walls are closing in. | ||
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