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On February 13 2026 01:07 Jankisa wrote:
Well, they are here, and they will happilly tell you.
For oBlade, about getting one over Democrats and punishing them and anyone who is not white, applying laws selectively and spitting on the rest of the world who has been "taking advantage" of Americans. Basically, just regurgitated "America first" bullshit marching orders he gets form watching his idol Tucker Carlson.
Whatever lefties propose, he has diatribes he copy pasted from stormfront ready, with links and videos from X, the everything app, the guy never leaves his media bubble and when challenged here he just ignores it and keeps on spamming his bullshit.
The saddest part is that he's just a sad incel who has no personality or interests of his own so he lives vicariously by watching jack booted thugs executing people.
For Introvert, it's grievance, he, unlike oBlade at least has the balls to occasionally spare a critical word for Trump and his cohort, but, he is so blinded by propaganda and hate, he's been so convinced that immigrants are the poison killing his country and that the reason for this are Democrats that he is willing to cheer on downright fascism as long as they punish the people he hates, namely Democrats, liberals and anyone else conservatives blame for the USA being a shitthole it is.
This can range from Europeans and everyone else getting a "free ride" and USA protection, which, along with paying for immigrant healthcare is the reason, in his head, why USA can't afford healthcare.
For Jimmy, he's either a bad troll or very stupid, the guy unironically watches fox news and posts and acts like a boomer.
All of them share the common trait that they are petty people who blame all the issues in the USA on anything other then the country being a deliberate shit show, it's unimaginable to them that normal people from USA can be critical of both Democrats and Republicans and still vote and prefer Democrats every time much in the same way that GH can't imagine that people don't have to love or defend Democrats to want them to get back in to power as a better alternative to an inevitably violent and catastrophic revolution.
For a (relative) newcomer you seem to have rather grasped the lay of the land rather solidly
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On February 13 2026 01:07 Jankisa wrote:
Well, they are here, and they will happilly tell you.
For oBlade, about getting one over Democrats and punishing them and anyone who is not white, applying laws selectively and spitting on the rest of the world who has been "taking advantage" of Americans. Basically, just regurgitated "America first" bullshit marching orders he gets form watching his idol Tucker Carlson.
Whatever lefties propose, he has diatribes he copy pasted from stormfront ready, with links and videos from X, the everything app, the guy never leaves his media bubble and when challenged here he just ignores it and keeps on spamming his bullshit.
The saddest part is that he's just a sad incel who has no personality or interests of his own so he lives vicariously by watching jack booted thugs executing people.
For Introvert, it's grievance, he, unlike oBlade at least has the balls to occasionally spare a critical word for Trump and his cohort, but, he is so blinded by propaganda and hate, he's been so convinced that immigrants are the poison killing his country and that the reason for this are Democrats that he is willing to cheer on downright fascism as long as they punish the people he hates, namely Democrats, liberals and anyone else conservatives blame for the USA being a shitthole it is.
This can range from Europeans and everyone else getting a "free ride" and USA protection, which, along with paying for immigrant healthcare is the reason, in his head, why USA can't afford healthcare.
For Jimmy, he's either a bad troll or very stupid, the guy unironically watches fox news and posts and acts like a boomer.
All of them share the common trait that they are petty people who blame all the issues in the USA on anything other then the country being a deliberate shit show, it's unimaginable to them that normal people from USA can be critical of both Democrats and Republicans and still vote and prefer Democrats every time much in the same way that GH can't imagine that people don't have to love or defend Democrats to want them to get back in to power as a better alternative to an inevitably violent and catastrophic revolution.
There's a lot wrong here and maybe this is bait, but I'd love to know where I ever said this or anything remotely like it. I would normally ignore stuff like this but it’s interesting because it's clear so much of it is just stuff you invented in your own head.
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The government has declared that its invasion of Minnesota has failed and they're finally leaving. This is one of the struggles I think that will define the twin cities and the state in general. You can fight against fascism, and the way to do it is community organizing and community support. Even through the coldest of days You can have faith in your community and your responsibility to your neighbors. That even in the darkest of days you can still show compassion for a person and reject their message.
A black man being the one to stand up and get a nazi out of being cornered as he was cowering in front of a window being pelted with water balloons in freezing temperatures. "Wine moms" rolling out and being present to protect strangers they will never know. It hasn't been a full year from when a trump supporter assassinated our local DFL leader.
Rumors are that the next stop will be Philly, They are fucked if they think that will go better.
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On February 13 2026 01:07 Jankisa wrote:
Well, they are here, and they will happilly tell you.
For oBlade, about getting one over Democrats and punishing them and anyone who is not white, applying laws selectively and spitting on the rest of the world who has been "taking advantage" of Americans. Basically, just regurgitated "America first" bullshit marching orders he gets form watching his idol Tucker Carlson.
Whatever lefties propose, he has diatribes he copy pasted from stormfront ready, with links and videos from X, the everything app, the guy never leaves his media bubble and when challenged here he just ignores it and keeps on spamming his bullshit.
1) I'm not the Republican, KwarK is. I'm just not. Never was. Not even a young Republican.
2) X is the breaking primary media app. If you want video of something happening right after it does, it's on X. Without a login wall (like Tiktok or Instagram), and without sensitive content filters (ditto). It's better than Youtube, which has issues with sensitive content, and Youtube's search in the past few years has gotten so bad that even if something were uploaded it would be impossible to find it. People just upload to X first. Even before Youtube. On X, as soon as it happens, it's there and open to everyone.
3) White supremacists are not exactly fans of Trump. They think he's a Zionist. But please go ahead and name two things you read while browsing stormfront that you think I stole. I know you must have evidence because you're not the type of person that would just make things up out of line.
On February 13 2026 01:07 Jankisa wrote:
The saddest part is that he's just a sad incel who has no personality or interests of his own so he lives vicariously by watching jack booted thugs executing people.
Unfortunately my schedule is quite busy so I don't have as much time for productive hobbies like going on a Starcraft forum to call strangers in a country halfway around the world, that I know nothing about (the country), Nazis.
On February 13 2026 01:03 LightSpectra wrote:I don't think the average Republican is consciously thinking about a hierarchy of human worth that needs to be enforced with a police state. People who unironically talk like that are usually incels that have nothing better to do but watch fascist video essays and they're probably not a large portion of the voting base. I do think the average Republican is just deeply uninformed about basically everything. The main example that comes to mind is that YouGov study that showed Americans believe 21% of the population is trans (real number: less than 1%), 20% are millionaires (real number: less than 1%), 30% are Jewish (real number: 2%), 27% are Muslim (real number: 1%), 33% are atheist (real number: 3%). It's easy to fall for apocalyptic rhetoric about a nonexistent 'Great Replacement' that used to be a Neonazi conspiracy theory before it became a mainstream Republican conspiracy theory when your perception of minorities is that there are literally over 10x more of them than there actually are.
The fallacy of your interpretation is thinking, or implying, this polled Republicans when it polled "Americans." That simply includes Democrats. Democrat registration still outnumbers Republican as far as I know, but you'd also have to check yougov's methods specifically.
For example when you say they believe 21% of the population is trans - if Democrats polled batted 1000 on that, and said less than 1% which is the true number like you point out (21% is more like the number of Gen Z that identify as LGBTQ) - you would need Republicans polled to say it was around 50% for the balance to work out. That'd be an absurd set of results. Even Democrats aren't that well-informed. There are biases that do not line up with your assumptions just because you think Republicans are stupid and Republicans are included in a poll of "Americans." The group biases may not distribute the way you think. Because the opposite groups to what you're thinking also have biases that lead them to the same over/underestimating. Like one of the examples is black people estimated the population of the US was 52% black. Going by recent elections, there's mostly Democrats in that cohort. Statistical illiteracy is ironically quite uniformly distributed.
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On February 13 2026 01:07 Jankisa wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Well, they are here, and they will happilly tell you.
For oBlade, about getting one over Democrats and punishing them and anyone who is not white, applying laws selectively and spitting on the rest of the world who has been "taking advantage" of Americans. Basically, just regurgitated "America first" bullshit marching orders he gets form watching his idol Tucker Carlson.
Whatever lefties propose, he has diatribes he copy pasted from stormfront ready, with links and videos from X, the everything app, the guy never leaves his media bubble and when challenged here he just ignores it and keeps on spamming his bullshit.
The saddest part is that he's just a sad incel who has no personality or interests of his own so he lives vicariously by watching jack booted thugs executing people.
For Introvert, it's grievance, he, unlike oBlade at least has the balls to occasionally spare a critical word for Trump and his cohort, but, he is so blinded by propaganda and hate, he's been so convinced that immigrants are the poison killing his country and that the reason for this are Democrats that he is willing to cheer on downright fascism as long as they punish the people he hates, namely Democrats, liberals and anyone else conservatives blame for the USA being a shitthole it is.
This can range from Europeans and everyone else getting a "free ride" and USA protection, which, along with paying for immigrant healthcare is the reason, in his head, why USA can't afford healthcare.
For Jimmy, he's either a bad troll or very stupid, the guy unironically watches fox news and posts and acts like a boomer.
All of them share the common trait that they are petty people who blame all the issues in the USA on anything other then the country being a deliberate shit show, it's unimaginable to them that normal people from USA can be critical of both Democrats and Republicans and still vote and prefer Democrats every time much in the same way that GH can't imagine that people don't have to love or defend Democrats to want them to get back in to power as a better alternative to an inevitably violent and catastrophic revolution.
I fully understand that people don't have to love Democrats to want them to get back in power as a preferable alternative to Republicans/revolution. They do typically have to defend them/their support from critics. That's part of when/why they resorted (for better or worse) to "lesser evilism" and the "trolley problem" as their defense of Democrats and their support of them and/despite their actions.
This is part of why the discussion on wealth distribution in the US died without the critical "how do we change that in the US" part. It's definitely not about a majority of people in the US wanting to redistribute it more equally, because they do, and we have all known for well over a decade. The inequality is actually worse since this image btw.
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Besides what Simberto mentioned about not being able to actually comprehend the scale, I believe that's at least partly because of the Hamster Wheel On August 30 2023 01:44 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2023 00:42 StasisField wrote:On August 29 2023 06:12 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 29 2023 05:38 StasisField wrote:On August 29 2023 05:30 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 29 2023 05:06 StasisField wrote:On August 29 2023 04:55 Mohdoo wrote:On August 29 2023 04:40 StasisField wrote:On August 29 2023 03:21 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 29 2023 02:31 KwarK wrote:
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That’s America’s fault. And the whole planet's problem. Oh so you'll be voting for Biden then? Since you recognize the Fascist GOP winning is the whole world's problem, I'm sure you'll do the bare minimum and vote to prevent it on Election Day and not be another leftist with worse political instincts than the literal Nazis who took over the GOP by voting to keep the GOP in power while also electing more of their own candidates to the party over time. Ehhh, folks like me and GH have an easy pass in this regard because our entire cities could choose not to vote and Biden would still win (Washington and Oregon). Protest votes to signal dissatisfaction with corporate dems when you live in a safe-blue state is the correct thing to do IMO. If enough people protest vote/don't vote in a safe state, they are no longer safe. Vote protesting of any kind is really stupid when christo-fascism is at our doorstep. From my perspective the US is essentially christo-fascism's (though I'd use "racial capitalism's") "house", and dad's just coming home to the doorstep from work abroad. So because things are already bad you don't want to keep things from getting worse? Wow, very progressive of you. Truly, the revolution we've all been waiting for: doing nothing because things already suck. On the contrary, I consider perpetually voting for whoever the Democrat party allows to be demonstrably ineffective and in effect "doing nothing". The incontrovertible example I typically refer to being 0 progress in 60+ years on racial wealth inequality and the unparalleled support of Democrats by Black people despite that. Never mind looking past Biden's personal responsibility for contributing to decades of destroying our families/communities with mass incarceration the whole time. That Democrats feel entitled to my or any other Black person's vote despite that is disgusting to me. That they so brazenly try to shame anyone that disagrees with them that they are, is indescribably disappointing. That they rationalize it by pointing to the system they built is just asinine. You can't get what you want from Democrats if you don't vote in your own Democrats. You want a socialist revolution? Taking over the most popular party in a 2-party system and implementing your policy platform through that party is a nonviolent path to a real socialist revolution. You vote for socialists in the primary and you hold the line against literal fascist rule in the general. The evidence this works is the GOP. We have seen a demonstrable change in policy and attitude from the GOP over the last couple decades from a conservative party to openly advocating for fascism. The change you claim to want is possible but you turn your nose up to it. You'd rather do things that have no chance of changing how things work in this country. A real revolutionary you are, GH. This is just the start of the perpetual dem apologist refrain of: 1. There's a problem 2. Politicians won't fix it 3. Need to replace the politicians with ones that will 4. Can't replace the politicians because of how the system works 5. Need to fix the system 6. Politicians wont fix it (because it benefits them) 7. Repeat ad nauseam. people of good conscience need to get off that hamster wheel if we want any hope of a desirable future. It's not something they can wait another 40-60 years to do (like they have on the Black-white wealth gap). It's already too late to save countless people and every day they stubbornly refuse to get off the wheel countless more are lost. If you're going to thoughtlessly advocate for a tea partyesque movement you would do well to remember they also ignored electability arguments and were willing to lose winnable elections in favor of supporting their preference. Something I understand you specifically to be advocating against.
I would personally prefer social democrats of the 60's to have shifted toward being democratic socialists in the 90's and would be more just plainly socialist in the 2020's. That's not what happened though. Instead they went the "New Democrat/Third Way" route and dragged anyone that opposed Republicans with them as the only other option.
Contrary to what you all believe, I don't want a violent revolution. I just want (let's say to start) the same wealth distribution Republican voters want. AFAICT LightSpectra is the only person that believes there's a path to that in the US where the "1%" don't pay (various degrees of desperate) people (besides politicians, SC Judges, etc) to stop that, including violently if/when it comes to that. But also, no one has any prescription for how to overcome that. So....?
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On February 13 2026 02:14 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2026 01:07 Jankisa wrote:
Well, they are here, and they will happilly tell you.
For oBlade, about getting one over Democrats and punishing them and anyone who is not white, applying laws selectively and spitting on the rest of the world who has been "taking advantage" of Americans. Basically, just regurgitated "America first" bullshit marching orders he gets form watching his idol Tucker Carlson.
Whatever lefties propose, he has diatribes he copy pasted from stormfront ready, with links and videos from X, the everything app, the guy never leaves his media bubble and when challenged here he just ignores it and keeps on spamming his bullshit.
The saddest part is that he's just a sad incel who has no personality or interests of his own so he lives vicariously by watching jack booted thugs executing people.
For Introvert, it's grievance, he, unlike oBlade at least has the balls to occasionally spare a critical word for Trump and his cohort, but, he is so blinded by propaganda and hate, he's been so convinced that immigrants are the poison killing his country and that the reason for this are Democrats that he is willing to cheer on downright fascism as long as they punish the people he hates, namely Democrats, liberals and anyone else conservatives blame for the USA being a shitthole it is.
This can range from Europeans and everyone else getting a "free ride" and USA protection, which, along with paying for immigrant healthcare is the reason, in his head, why USA can't afford healthcare.
For Jimmy, he's either a bad troll or very stupid, the guy unironically watches fox news and posts and acts like a boomer.
All of them share the common trait that they are petty people who blame all the issues in the USA on anything other then the country being a deliberate shit show, it's unimaginable to them that normal people from USA can be critical of both Democrats and Republicans and still vote and prefer Democrats every time much in the same way that GH can't imagine that people don't have to love or defend Democrats to want them to get back in to power as a better alternative to an inevitably violent and catastrophic revolution. There's a lot wrong here and maybe this is bait, but I'd love to know where I ever said this or anything remotely like it. I would normally ignore stuff like this but it’s interesting because it's clear so much of it is just stuff you invented in your own head.
If I misconstrued your reasoning, please feel free to correct me on it. I arrived at it from reading your general approach to topics.
Regarding oBlade's "rebuttal", I find it honestly hilarious that he tried to a) deny who he is, despite very obviously being in support of everything these guys do , b) move on to nitpick a word (classic) and then d) go on to prove exactly I wrote by going on to another comment in order to shit on Democrats.
GH, I understand that not everyone reads and comments on everything everyone writes, however, I put out 3 things that are very obvious and have been done, successfully before.
This wealth would be very easily re-distributed by simply, doubling the corporate tax rate, that would get the income from it from half a trillion to one trillion. This would still be lower corporate tax rate then what it was in the 60-es.
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On February 13 2026 04:11 Jankisa wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2026 04:04 GreenHorizons wrote:On February 13 2026 01:07 Jankisa wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Well, they are here, and they will happilly tell you.
For oBlade, about getting one over Democrats and punishing them and anyone who is not white, applying laws selectively and spitting on the rest of the world who has been "taking advantage" of Americans. Basically, just regurgitated "America first" bullshit marching orders he gets form watching his idol Tucker Carlson.
Whatever lefties propose, he has diatribes he copy pasted from stormfront ready, with links and videos from X, the everything app, the guy never leaves his media bubble and when challenged here he just ignores it and keeps on spamming his bullshit.
The saddest part is that he's just a sad incel who has no personality or interests of his own so he lives vicariously by watching jack booted thugs executing people.
For Introvert, it's grievance, he, unlike oBlade at least has the balls to occasionally spare a critical word for Trump and his cohort, but, he is so blinded by propaganda and hate, he's been so convinced that immigrants are the poison killing his country and that the reason for this are Democrats that he is willing to cheer on downright fascism as long as they punish the people he hates, namely Democrats, liberals and anyone else conservatives blame for the USA being a shitthole it is.
This can range from Europeans and everyone else getting a "free ride" and USA protection, which, along with paying for immigrant healthcare is the reason, in his head, why USA can't afford healthcare.
For Jimmy, he's either a bad troll or very stupid, the guy unironically watches fox news and posts and acts like a boomer.
All of them share the common trait that they are petty people who blame all the issues in the USA on anything other then the country being a deliberate shit show, it's unimaginable to them that normal people from USA can be critical of both Democrats and Republicans and still vote and prefer Democrats every time much in the same way that GH can't imagine that people don't have to love or defend Democrats to want them to get back in to power as a better alternative to an inevitably violent and catastrophic revolution. I fully understand that people don't have to love Democrats to want them to get back in power as a preferable alternative to Republicans/revolution. They do typically have to defend them/their support from critics. That's part of when/why they resorted (for better or worse) to "lesser evilism" and the "trolley problem" as their defense of Democrats and their support of them and/despite their actions. This is part of why the discussion on wealth distribution in the US died without the critical "how do we change that in the US" part. It's definitely not about a majority of people in the US wanting to redistribute it more equally, because they do, and we have all known for well over a decade. The inequality is actually worse since this image btw. + Show Spoiler +Besides what Simberto mentioned about not being able to actually comprehend the scale, I believe that's at least partly because of the Hamster Wheel On August 30 2023 01:44 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 30 2023 00:42 StasisField wrote:On August 29 2023 06:12 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 29 2023 05:38 StasisField wrote:On August 29 2023 05:30 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 29 2023 05:06 StasisField wrote:On August 29 2023 04:55 Mohdoo wrote:On August 29 2023 04:40 StasisField wrote:
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Oh so you'll be voting for Biden then? Since you recognize the Fascist GOP winning is the whole world's problem, I'm sure you'll do the bare minimum and vote to prevent it on Election Day and not be another leftist with worse political instincts than the literal Nazis who took over the GOP by voting to keep the GOP in power while also electing more of their own candidates to the party over time. Ehhh, folks like me and GH have an easy pass in this regard because our entire cities could choose not to vote and Biden would still win (Washington and Oregon). Protest votes to signal dissatisfaction with corporate dems when you live in a safe-blue state is the correct thing to do IMO. If enough people protest vote/don't vote in a safe state, they are no longer safe. Vote protesting of any kind is really stupid when christo-fascism is at our doorstep. From my perspective the US is essentially christo-fascism's (though I'd use "racial capitalism's") "house", and dad's just coming home to the doorstep from work abroad. So because things are already bad you don't want to keep things from getting worse? Wow, very progressive of you. Truly, the revolution we've all been waiting for: doing nothing because things already suck. On the contrary, I consider perpetually voting for whoever the Democrat party allows to be demonstrably ineffective and in effect "doing nothing". The incontrovertible example I typically refer to being 0 progress in 60+ years on racial wealth inequality and the unparalleled support of Democrats by Black people despite that. Never mind looking past Biden's personal responsibility for contributing to decades of destroying our families/communities with mass incarceration the whole time. That Democrats feel entitled to my or any other Black person's vote despite that is disgusting to me. That they so brazenly try to shame anyone that disagrees with them that they are, is indescribably disappointing. That they rationalize it by pointing to the system they built is just asinine. You can't get what you want from Democrats if you don't vote in your own Democrats. You want a socialist revolution? Taking over the most popular party in a 2-party system and implementing your policy platform through that party is a nonviolent path to a real socialist revolution. You vote for socialists in the primary and you hold the line against literal fascist rule in the general. The evidence this works is the GOP. We have seen a demonstrable change in policy and attitude from the GOP over the last couple decades from a conservative party to openly advocating for fascism. The change you claim to want is possible but you turn your nose up to it. You'd rather do things that have no chance of changing how things work in this country. A real revolutionary you are, GH. This is just the start of the perpetual dem apologist refrain of: 1. There's a problem 2. Politicians won't fix it 3. Need to replace the politicians with ones that will 4. Can't replace the politicians because of how the system works 5. Need to fix the system 6. Politicians wont fix it (because it benefits them) 7. Repeat ad nauseam. people of good conscience need to get off that hamster wheel if we want any hope of a desirable future. It's not something they can wait another 40-60 years to do (like they have on the Black-white wealth gap). It's already too late to save countless people and every day they stubbornly refuse to get off the wheel countless more are lost. If you're going to thoughtlessly advocate for a tea partyesque movement you would do well to remember they also ignored electability arguments and were willing to lose winnable elections in favor of supporting their preference. Something I understand you specifically to be advocating against. I would personally prefer social democrats of the 60's to have shifted toward being democratic socialists in the 90's and would be more just plainly socialist in the 2020's. That's not what happened though. Instead they went the "New Democrat/Third Way" route and dragged anyone that opposed Republicans with them as the only other option. Contrary to what you all believe, I don't want a violent revolution. I just want (let's say to start) the same wealth distribution Republican voters want. AFAICT LightSpectra is the only person that believes there's a path to that in the US where the "1%" don't pay (various degrees of desperate) people (besides politicians, SC Judges, etc) to stop that, including violently if/when it comes to that. But also, no one has any prescription for how to overcome that. So....? Show nested quote +On February 13 2026 02:14 Introvert wrote:On February 13 2026 01:07 Jankisa wrote:
Well, they are here, and they will happilly tell you.
For oBlade, about getting one over Democrats and punishing them and anyone who is not white, applying laws selectively and spitting on the rest of the world who has been "taking advantage" of Americans. Basically, just regurgitated "America first" bullshit marching orders he gets form watching his idol Tucker Carlson.
Whatever lefties propose, he has diatribes he copy pasted from stormfront ready, with links and videos from X, the everything app, the guy never leaves his media bubble and when challenged here he just ignores it and keeps on spamming his bullshit.
The saddest part is that he's just a sad incel who has no personality or interests of his own so he lives vicariously by watching jack booted thugs executing people.
For Introvert, it's grievance, he, unlike oBlade at least has the balls to occasionally spare a critical word for Trump and his cohort, but, he is so blinded by propaganda and hate, he's been so convinced that immigrants are the poison killing his country and that the reason for this are Democrats that he is willing to cheer on downright fascism as long as they punish the people he hates, namely Democrats, liberals and anyone else conservatives blame for the USA being a shitthole it is.
This can range from Europeans and everyone else getting a "free ride" and USA protection, which, along with paying for immigrant healthcare is the reason, in his head, why USA can't afford healthcare.
For Jimmy, he's either a bad troll or very stupid, the guy unironically watches fox news and posts and acts like a boomer.
All of them share the common trait that they are petty people who blame all the issues in the USA on anything other then the country being a deliberate shit show, it's unimaginable to them that normal people from USA can be critical of both Democrats and Republicans and still vote and prefer Democrats every time much in the same way that GH can't imagine that people don't have to love or defend Democrats to want them to get back in to power as a better alternative to an inevitably violent and catastrophic revolution. There's a lot wrong here and maybe this is bait, but I'd love to know where I ever said this or anything remotely like it. I would normally ignore stuff like this but it’s interesting because it's clear so much of it is just stuff you invented in your own head. + Show Spoiler +
If I misconstrued your reasoning, please feel free to correct me on it. I arrived at it from reading your general approach to topics.
Regarding oBlade's "rebuttal", I find it honestly hilarious that he tried to a) deny who he is, despite very obviously being in support of everything these guys do , b) move on to nitpick a word (classic) and then d) go on to prove exactly I wrote by going on to another comment in order to shit on Democrats.
GH, I understand that not everyone reads and comments on everything everyone writes, however, I put out 3 things that are very obvious and have been done, successfully before. This wealth would be very easily re-distributed by simply, doubling the corporate tax rate, that would get the income from it from half a trillion to one trillion. This would still be lower corporate tax rate then what it was in the 60-es.
Okay... Redistributive taxation isn't the puzzle though? It's how to overcome the US Hamster Wheel/regulatory capture to sustainably implement redistributive policies that electoralism has no answer to?
1. There's a problem [wealth distribution in this case]
2. [bipartisan] Politicians won't fix it
3. Need to replace the politicians with ones that will
4. Can't replace the politicians because of how the system works
5. Need to fix the system
6. [bipartisan] Politicians won't fix it (because it benefits them)
7. Repeat ad nauseam.
Retirement age Black people have spent their entire adult lives relentlessly supporting/voting for Democrats more reliably than any other group of people has for the last 60 years. That wealth distribution problem relative to the Black-white gap has been stagnant or gotten worse as a consequence.
It's pretty literally insane to keep doing that.
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On February 13 2026 01:12 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2026 01:07 Jankisa wrote:
Well, they are here, and they will happilly tell you.
For oBlade, about getting one over Democrats and punishing them and anyone who is not white, applying laws selectively and spitting on the rest of the world who has been "taking advantage" of Americans. Basically, just regurgitated "America first" bullshit marching orders he gets form watching his idol Tucker Carlson.
Whatever lefties propose, he has diatribes he copy pasted from stormfront ready, with links and videos from X, the everything app, the guy never leaves his media bubble and when challenged here he just ignores it and keeps on spamming his bullshit.
The saddest part is that he's just a sad incel who has no personality or interests of his own so he lives vicariously by watching jack booted thugs executing people.
For Introvert, it's grievance, he, unlike oBlade at least has the balls to occasionally spare a critical word for Trump and his cohort, but, he is so blinded by propaganda and hate, he's been so convinced that immigrants are the poison killing his country and that the reason for this are Democrats that he is willing to cheer on downright fascism as long as they punish the people he hates, namely Democrats, liberals and anyone else conservatives blame for the USA being a shitthole it is.
This can range from Europeans and everyone else getting a "free ride" and USA protection, which, along with paying for immigrant healthcare is the reason, in his head, why USA can't afford healthcare.
For Jimmy, he's either a bad troll or very stupid, the guy unironically watches fox news and posts and acts like a boomer.
All of them share the common trait that they are petty people who blame all the issues in the USA on anything other then the country being a deliberate shit show, it's unimaginable to them that normal people from USA can be critical of both Democrats and Republicans and still vote and prefer Democrats every time much in the same way that GH can't imagine that people don't have to love or defend Democrats to want them to get back in to power as a better alternative to an inevitably violent and catastrophic revolution. For a (relative) newcomer you seem to have rather grasped the lay of the land rather solidly Naturally. Which is to say, insult people for thinking differently, and rely on that crutch to avoid having to think about why they actually disagree.
If it's WombaT or Jankisa, you won't say of yourselves "I believe this because I like to get one over on Republicans and punish people who is white, applying laws selectively, since I am an incel."
You won't say "I'm so blinded by propaganda and hate that I'm convinced that Republicans are destroying the country, and will cheer on literal fascism as long as they punish the people I hate, namely Republicans."
That's saved for the other guy. The entire rhetoric is pure otherization. Demonize others, safe in your belief that they are moral reprobates and deserve it. But I have to say, it's facile analysis, and shows real political ignorance. I would like you to describe yourself with some of these terms, just so we know that you can find and criticize the hate and propaganda within yourself. It's easy as hell to psychoanalyze your opponents and surprisingly discover that they are bad people!
On February 13 2026 02:38 Sermokala wrote:
The government has declared that its invasion of Minnesota has failed and they're finally leaving. This is one of the struggles I think that will define the twin cities and the state in general. You can fight against fascism, and the way to do it is community organizing and community support. Even through the coldest of days You can have faith in your community and your responsibility to your neighbors. That even in the darkest of days you can still show compassion for a person and reject their message.
A black man being the one to stand up and get a nazi out of being cornered as he was cowering in front of a window being pelted with water balloons in freezing temperatures. "Wine moms" rolling out and being present to protect strangers they will never know. It hasn't been a full year from when a trump supporter assassinated our local DFL leader.
Rumors are that the next stop will be Philly, They are fucked if they think that will go better. ... with a side of promising to undo the very policies that led to ICE going there in the first place.
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GH, until there is a valid alternative, unfortunately, that is the only way to go if we don't want a Trump dynasty ruling over USA, look at the infrastructure and funding they gave to ICE/DHS, there is and won't be enough brown people or people overstaying their visas, tourists will dry up, they will go the de-naturalization route and you know, much better then I do who they hate above all.
They will try to do more vile shit, and unfortunately given how the guns and money equation works currently the only way to prevent that is to vote democrat and hope for the best.
If a general strike ever happens, and I believe we are both on the same page that this is the most effective tool in the peaceful fight against current fascists, it's going to have to be organized, or at the very least supported by Democrats. There is no other party or a political force in the USA that can get that done, it's a last resort for them because they, after all, are corporatists, but it's not going to happen without them.
Dyhb, as a relative newcomer, you, to me personally are the worse of them. The vile shit you spew out justifying murder of 2 boys, 11 and 8 in Gaza over in the Palestine thready and your doubling down is some of the worse sociopathic shit I've red on this forum, and that's saying a lot.
I don't even want to address anything you write in this thread because you are as uninteresting as you are inhumane.
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On February 13 2026 05:35 Jankisa wrote:Dyhb, as a relative newcomer, you, to me personally are the worse of them. The vile shit you spew out justifying murder of 2 boys, 11 and 8 in Gaza over in the Palestine thready and your doubling down is some of the worse sociopathic shit I've red on this forum, and that's saying a lot.
I don't even want to address anything you write in this thread because you are as uninteresting as you are inhumane. As you can tell from my previous post, I'm not interested in currying favor with somebody that tries to insult their way out of having a topical, interesting conversation. We've all heard it from kids that you're on the side of light and your opponents are on the side of darkness. There's really nowhere to go until you discover shared humanity and empathy.
Go find ten things that are genuine disagreements without implying moral bankruptcy, and at least three things from your post that you'd equally apply to describe yourself. I'll take your literal post to give you ideas of insults that you might want to also apply inward.
+ Show Spoiler +On February 13 2026 01:07 Jankisa wrote:
For me, it's about getting one over Republicans and punishing them and anyone who is white, applying laws selectively and spitting on my fellow countrymen. Basically, I just regurgitate bullshit talking points and marching orders I get from watching left-wing influencers.
Whatever right-wingers propose, I post diatribes I copy pasted from left-wing outlets. I never leaves my media bubble and when challenged, I ignore it and keep on spamming bullshit.
The saddest part is that I'm just a sad incel who has no personality or interests of my own so I live vicariously by watching protesters break the law.
I am so blinded by propaganda and hate, I'm so convinced that Republicans are the poison killing America that I is willing to cheer on downright fascism as long as they punish the people I hate, namely Republicans, MAGA and anyone else progressives blame.
This can range from free-market types and everyone else not breaking the law to oppose the government.
I am a petty person who blame all the issues in the USA on Republicans.
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On February 13 2026 05:35 Jankisa wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2026 04:35 GreenHorizons wrote:On February 13 2026 04:11 Jankisa wrote:On February 13 2026 04:04 GreenHorizons wrote:On February 13 2026 01:07 Jankisa wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Well, they are here, and they will happilly tell you.
For oBlade, about getting one over Democrats and punishing them and anyone who is not white, applying laws selectively and spitting on the rest of the world who has been "taking advantage" of Americans. Basically, just regurgitated "America first" bullshit marching orders he gets form watching his idol Tucker Carlson.
Whatever lefties propose, he has diatribes he copy pasted from stormfront ready, with links and videos from X, the everything app, the guy never leaves his media bubble and when challenged here he just ignores it and keeps on spamming his bullshit.
The saddest part is that he's just a sad incel who has no personality or interests of his own so he lives vicariously by watching jack booted thugs executing people.
For Introvert, it's grievance, he, unlike oBlade at least has the balls to occasionally spare a critical word for Trump and his cohort, but, he is so blinded by propaganda and hate, he's been so convinced that immigrants are the poison killing his country and that the reason for this are Democrats that he is willing to cheer on downright fascism as long as they punish the people he hates, namely Democrats, liberals and anyone else conservatives blame for the USA being a shitthole it is.
This can range from Europeans and everyone else getting a "free ride" and USA protection, which, along with paying for immigrant healthcare is the reason, in his head, why USA can't afford healthcare.
For Jimmy, he's either a bad troll or very stupid, the guy unironically watches fox news and posts and acts like a boomer.
All of them share the common trait that they are petty people who blame all the issues in the USA on anything other then the country being a deliberate shit show, it's unimaginable to them that normal people from USA can be critical of both Democrats and Republicans and still vote and prefer Democrats every time much in the same way that GH can't imagine that people don't have to love or defend Democrats to want them to get back in to power as a better alternative to an inevitably violent and catastrophic revolution. I fully understand that people don't have to love Democrats to want them to get back in power as a preferable alternative to Republicans/revolution. They do typically have to defend them/their support from critics. That's part of when/why they resorted (for better or worse) to "lesser evilism" and the "trolley problem" as their defense of Democrats and their support of them and/despite their actions. This is part of why the discussion on wealth distribution in the US died without the critical "how do we change that in the US" part. It's definitely not about a majority of people in the US wanting to redistribute it more equally, because they do, and we have all known for well over a decade. The inequality is actually worse since this image btw. + Show Spoiler +Besides what Simberto mentioned about not being able to actually comprehend the scale, I believe that's at least partly because of the Hamster Wheel On August 30 2023 01:44 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 30 2023 00:42 StasisField wrote:On August 29 2023 06:12 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 29 2023 05:38 StasisField wrote:On August 29 2023 05:30 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 29 2023 05:06 StasisField wrote:
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If enough people protest vote/don't vote in a safe state, they are no longer safe. Vote protesting of any kind is really stupid when christo-fascism is at our doorstep. From my perspective the US is essentially christo-fascism's (though I'd use "racial capitalism's") "house", and dad's just coming home to the doorstep from work abroad. So because things are already bad you don't want to keep things from getting worse? Wow, very progressive of you. Truly, the revolution we've all been waiting for: doing nothing because things already suck. On the contrary, I consider perpetually voting for whoever the Democrat party allows to be demonstrably ineffective and in effect "doing nothing". The incontrovertible example I typically refer to being 0 progress in 60+ years on racial wealth inequality and the unparalleled support of Democrats by Black people despite that. Never mind looking past Biden's personal responsibility for contributing to decades of destroying our families/communities with mass incarceration the whole time. That Democrats feel entitled to my or any other Black person's vote despite that is disgusting to me. That they so brazenly try to shame anyone that disagrees with them that they are, is indescribably disappointing. That they rationalize it by pointing to the system they built is just asinine. You can't get what you want from Democrats if you don't vote in your own Democrats. You want a socialist revolution? Taking over the most popular party in a 2-party system and implementing your policy platform through that party is a nonviolent path to a real socialist revolution. You vote for socialists in the primary and you hold the line against literal fascist rule in the general. The evidence this works is the GOP. We have seen a demonstrable change in policy and attitude from the GOP over the last couple decades from a conservative party to openly advocating for fascism. The change you claim to want is possible but you turn your nose up to it. You'd rather do things that have no chance of changing how things work in this country. A real revolutionary you are, GH. This is just the start of the perpetual dem apologist refrain of: 1. There's a problem 2. Politicians won't fix it 3. Need to replace the politicians with ones that will 4. Can't replace the politicians because of how the system works 5. Need to fix the system 6. Politicians wont fix it (because it benefits them) 7. Repeat ad nauseam. people of good conscience need to get off that hamster wheel if we want any hope of a desirable future. It's not something they can wait another 40-60 years to do (like they have on the Black-white wealth gap). It's already too late to save countless people and every day they stubbornly refuse to get off the wheel countless more are lost. If you're going to thoughtlessly advocate for a tea partyesque movement you would do well to remember they also ignored electability arguments and were willing to lose winnable elections in favor of supporting their preference. Something I understand you specifically to be advocating against. I would personally prefer social democrats of the 60's to have shifted toward being democratic socialists in the 90's and would be more just plainly socialist in the 2020's. That's not what happened though. Instead they went the "New Democrat/Third Way" route and dragged anyone that opposed Republicans with them as the only other option. Contrary to what you all believe, I don't want a violent revolution. I just want (let's say to start) the same wealth distribution Republican voters want. AFAICT LightSpectra is the only person that believes there's a path to that in the US where the "1%" don't pay (various degrees of desperate) people (besides politicians, SC Judges, etc) to stop that, including violently if/when it comes to that. But also, no one has any prescription for how to overcome that. So....? On February 13 2026 02:14 Introvert wrote:On February 13 2026 01:07 Jankisa wrote:
Well, they are here, and they will happilly tell you.
For oBlade, about getting one over Democrats and punishing them and anyone who is not white, applying laws selectively and spitting on the rest of the world who has been "taking advantage" of Americans. Basically, just regurgitated "America first" bullshit marching orders he gets form watching his idol Tucker Carlson.
Whatever lefties propose, he has diatribes he copy pasted from stormfront ready, with links and videos from X, the everything app, the guy never leaves his media bubble and when challenged here he just ignores it and keeps on spamming his bullshit.
The saddest part is that he's just a sad incel who has no personality or interests of his own so he lives vicariously by watching jack booted thugs executing people.
For Introvert, it's grievance, he, unlike oBlade at least has the balls to occasionally spare a critical word for Trump and his cohort, but, he is so blinded by propaganda and hate, he's been so convinced that immigrants are the poison killing his country and that the reason for this are Democrats that he is willing to cheer on downright fascism as long as they punish the people he hates, namely Democrats, liberals and anyone else conservatives blame for the USA being a shitthole it is.
This can range from Europeans and everyone else getting a "free ride" and USA protection, which, along with paying for immigrant healthcare is the reason, in his head, why USA can't afford healthcare.
For Jimmy, he's either a bad troll or very stupid, the guy unironically watches fox news and posts and acts like a boomer.
All of them share the common trait that they are petty people who blame all the issues in the USA on anything other then the country being a deliberate shit show, it's unimaginable to them that normal people from USA can be critical of both Democrats and Republicans and still vote and prefer Democrats every time much in the same way that GH can't imagine that people don't have to love or defend Democrats to want them to get back in to power as a better alternative to an inevitably violent and catastrophic revolution. There's a lot wrong here and maybe this is bait, but I'd love to know where I ever said this or anything remotely like it. I would normally ignore stuff like this but it’s interesting because it's clear so much of it is just stuff you invented in your own head. + Show Spoiler +
If I misconstrued your reasoning, please feel free to correct me on it. I arrived at it from reading your general approach to topics.
Regarding oBlade's "rebuttal", I find it honestly hilarious that he tried to a) deny who he is, despite very obviously being in support of everything these guys do , b) move on to nitpick a word (classic) and then d) go on to prove exactly I wrote by going on to another comment in order to shit on Democrats.
GH, I understand that not everyone reads and comments on everything everyone writes, however, I put out 3 things that are very obvious and have been done, successfully before. This wealth would be very easily re-distributed by simply, doubling the corporate tax rate, that would get the income from it from half a trillion to one trillion. This would still be lower corporate tax rate then what it was in the 60-es. Okay... Redistributive taxation isn't the puzzle though? It's how to overcome the US Hamster Wheel/regulatory capture to sustainably implement redistributive policies that electoralism has no answer to? 1. There's a problem [wealth distribution in this case] 2. [bipartisan] Politicians won't fix it 3. Need to replace the politicians with ones that will 4. Can't replace the politicians because of how the system works 5. Need to fix the system 6. [bipartisan] Politicians won't fix it (because it benefits them) 7. Repeat ad nauseam. Retirement age Black people have spent their entire adult lives relentlessly supporting/voting for Democrats more reliably than any other group of people has for the last 60 years. That wealth distribution problem relative to the Black-white gap has been stagnant or gotten worse as a consequence. It's pretty literally insane to keep doing that. GH, until there is a valid alternative, unfortunately, that is the only way to go if we don't want a Trump dynasty ruling over USA, look at the infrastructure and funding they gave to ICE/DHS, there is and won't be enough brown people, they will go the de-naturalization route, they will try to do more vile shit, and unfortunately given how the guns and money equation works currently the only way to prevent that is to vote democrat and hope for the best. If a general strike ever happens, and I believe we are both on the same page that this is the most effective tool in the peaceful fight against current fascists, it's going to have to be organized, or at the very least supported by Democrats. The re is no other party or a political force in the USA that can get that done, it's a last resort for them because they, after all, are corporatists, but it's not going to happen without them. + Show Spoiler +Dyhb, as a relative newcomer, you, to me personally are the worse of them. The vile shit you spew out justifying murder of 2 boys, 11 and 8 in Gaza over in the Palestine thready and your doubling down is some of the worse sociopathic shit I've red on this forum, and that's saying a lot.
I don't even want to address anything you write in this thread because you are as uninteresting as you are inhumane.
We're getting Trump and the fascism anyway (In part because of the failures and hubris of "Third Way" Democrats exploiting the thinking you're advocating). In part because Democrats/appeasement helped lay the foundations of fascism in the US
On April 24 2024 11:04 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2024 07:28 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Framing pro-Palestinian protests as anti-Semitic is a bad take for Biden, and I disagree with his interpretation of those protests. I'm with you on that part. I'm still struggling to see how this lays the foundation for fascism though. Republicans/Fascists also frame pro-Palestinian protests as antisemitic and will find the fact that Biden already laid the foundation for that framing in Democrat's minds and provided a program to help fascists crack down on such protests quite useful. Then fascists can point to it being a critique and product/policy that came from Democrats, that "the libs" accepted it when Biden/Democrats did it, and any opposition now is just them being bitter partisans. If Democrats push it, they'll be labeled as sympathizers or terrorists themselves, so they won't, and will call that "pragmatism". Same for the Cop City in ATL, domestic spying, the (still in use) 2001 AUMF, policing the public in NYC using the military, cracking down on "illegals", and the list goes on and on. After Democrats lay down all these foundations for fascism and eventually lose control of them (since they won't win every election in perpetuity) they'll pick up their batons in a vain attempt to avoid being the targets of those policies, institutions, etc. by finding "bipartisan compromises" on where to direct that fascism among the US public and oppressed people around the globe. Which is uncomfortably acceptable to relatively affluent cishet white men. Because to be clear, Democrats have been making these kinds of "compromises" with less overtly fascist Republicans for decades (like consistently increasing police budgets, DOMA, and so on). Which brings us back to the bipartisan framing of pro-Palestinian actions as "antisemitic protests" that is already aligning Democrats and Republicans around cracking down on these purportedly "antisemitic protests" in a tiny, comparably placid, preview of what is to come if they aren't stopped (organized civil disobedience, like Biden is joining Republicans to crack down on, will be required) before then. Hopefully that helps you understand my point?
As for your thoughts on the general strike, some people that currently identify as "Democrats" sure, but also, this is what I'm talking about when I said
No one here needs to be/can be convinced that Republicans are fascists and obviously opposed to their goals. Despite that, it is predominantly what you all post about when you're not bickering with people you all have known for years are just trolling you to waste your time and laugh. So much so, even Zero was asking for better from yall and was promptly (and sadly imo) ignored.
Contrary to that, people are still struggling with recognizing/understanding how/why Democrats are purportedly for the same things they ostensibly are, but are actually an oppositional force to what posters here would say are their desired policies.
Basically, the Democrat party leaders will oppose it until/unless socialists and our allies force them to do otherwise through mass civil disobedience/direct actions.
That's pretty much how it's always worked here. Some people somewhat inexplicably stubbornly refuse to accept that reality.
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On February 13 2026 05:56 dyhb wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2026 05:35 Jankisa wrote:Dyhb, as a relative newcomer, you, to me personally are the worse of them. The vile shit you spew out justifying murder of 2 boys, 11 and 8 in Gaza over in the Palestine thready and your doubling down is some of the worse sociopathic shit I've red on this forum, and that's saying a lot.
I don't even want to address anything you write in this thread because you are as uninteresting as you are inhumane. As you can tell from my previous post, I'm not interested in currying favor with somebody that tries to insult their way out of having a topical, interesting conversation. We've all heard it from kids that you're on the side of light and your opponents are on the side of darkness. There's really nowhere to go until you discover shared humanity and empathy. Go find ten things that are genuine disagreements without implying moral bankruptcy, and at least three things from your post that you'd equally apply to describe yourself. I'll take your literal post to give you ideas of insults that you might want to also apply inward. + Show Spoiler +On February 13 2026 01:07 Jankisa wrote:
For me, it's about getting one over Republicans and punishing them and anyone who is white, applying laws selectively and spitting on my fellow countrymen. Basically, I just regurgitate bullshit talking points and marching orders I get from watching left-wing influencers.
Whatever right-wingers propose, I post diatribes I copy pasted from left-wing outlets. I never leaves my media bubble and when challenged, I ignore it and keep on spamming bullshit.
The saddest part is that I'm just a sad incel who has no personality or interests of my own so I live vicariously by watching protesters break the law.
I am so blinded by propaganda and hate, I'm so convinced that Republicans are the poison killing America that I is willing to cheer on downright fascism as long as they punish the people I hate, namely Republicans, MAGA and anyone else progressives blame.
This can range from free-market types and everyone else not breaking the law to oppose the government.
I am a petty person who blame all the issues in the USA on Republicans.
Is this just to run in perpetuity no matter how reprehensible one’s policy prescriptions are, or individuals or political movements one carries water for?
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It‘s a sham that the man still runs one of the biggest superpowers in the world.
It‘s an attest to its populations‘ issues that they voted him twice.
And it‘s annoying as fuck that it has to be everyone elses problem even abroad.
Wake me up when he does a single good thing.
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On February 13 2026 04:35 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2026 04:11 Jankisa wrote:On February 13 2026 04:04 GreenHorizons wrote:On February 13 2026 01:07 Jankisa wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Well, they are here, and they will happilly tell you.
For oBlade, about getting one over Democrats and punishing them and anyone who is not white, applying laws selectively and spitting on the rest of the world who has been "taking advantage" of Americans. Basically, just regurgitated "America first" bullshit marching orders he gets form watching his idol Tucker Carlson.
Whatever lefties propose, he has diatribes he copy pasted from stormfront ready, with links and videos from X, the everything app, the guy never leaves his media bubble and when challenged here he just ignores it and keeps on spamming his bullshit.
The saddest part is that he's just a sad incel who has no personality or interests of his own so he lives vicariously by watching jack booted thugs executing people.
For Introvert, it's grievance, he, unlike oBlade at least has the balls to occasionally spare a critical word for Trump and his cohort, but, he is so blinded by propaganda and hate, he's been so convinced that immigrants are the poison killing his country and that the reason for this are Democrats that he is willing to cheer on downright fascism as long as they punish the people he hates, namely Democrats, liberals and anyone else conservatives blame for the USA being a shitthole it is.
This can range from Europeans and everyone else getting a "free ride" and USA protection, which, along with paying for immigrant healthcare is the reason, in his head, why USA can't afford healthcare.
For Jimmy, he's either a bad troll or very stupid, the guy unironically watches fox news and posts and acts like a boomer.
All of them share the common trait that they are petty people who blame all the issues in the USA on anything other then the country being a deliberate shit show, it's unimaginable to them that normal people from USA can be critical of both Democrats and Republicans and still vote and prefer Democrats every time much in the same way that GH can't imagine that people don't have to love or defend Democrats to want them to get back in to power as a better alternative to an inevitably violent and catastrophic revolution. I fully understand that people don't have to love Democrats to want them to get back in power as a preferable alternative to Republicans/revolution. They do typically have to defend them/their support from critics. That's part of when/why they resorted (for better or worse) to "lesser evilism" and the "trolley problem" as their defense of Democrats and their support of them and/despite their actions. This is part of why the discussion on wealth distribution in the US died without the critical "how do we change that in the US" part. It's definitely not about a majority of people in the US wanting to redistribute it more equally, because they do, and we have all known for well over a decade. The inequality is actually worse since this image btw. + Show Spoiler +Besides what Simberto mentioned about not being able to actually comprehend the scale, I believe that's at least partly because of the Hamster Wheel On August 30 2023 01:44 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 30 2023 00:42 StasisField wrote:On August 29 2023 06:12 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 29 2023 05:38 StasisField wrote:On August 29 2023 05:30 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 29 2023 05:06 StasisField wrote:On August 29 2023 04:55 Mohdoo wrote:
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Ehhh, folks like me and GH have an easy pass in this regard because our entire cities could choose not to vote and Biden would still win (Washington and Oregon).
Protest votes to signal dissatisfaction with corporate dems when you live in a safe-blue state is the correct thing to do IMO. If enough people protest vote/don't vote in a safe state, they are no longer safe. Vote protesting of any kind is really stupid when christo-fascism is at our doorstep. From my perspective the US is essentially christo-fascism's (though I'd use "racial capitalism's") "house", and dad's just coming home to the doorstep from work abroad. So because things are already bad you don't want to keep things from getting worse? Wow, very progressive of you. Truly, the revolution we've all been waiting for: doing nothing because things already suck. On the contrary, I consider perpetually voting for whoever the Democrat party allows to be demonstrably ineffective and in effect "doing nothing". The incontrovertible example I typically refer to being 0 progress in 60+ years on racial wealth inequality and the unparalleled support of Democrats by Black people despite that. Never mind looking past Biden's personal responsibility for contributing to decades of destroying our families/communities with mass incarceration the whole time. That Democrats feel entitled to my or any other Black person's vote despite that is disgusting to me. That they so brazenly try to shame anyone that disagrees with them that they are, is indescribably disappointing. That they rationalize it by pointing to the system they built is just asinine. You can't get what you want from Democrats if you don't vote in your own Democrats. You want a socialist revolution? Taking over the most popular party in a 2-party system and implementing your policy platform through that party is a nonviolent path to a real socialist revolution. You vote for socialists in the primary and you hold the line against literal fascist rule in the general. The evidence this works is the GOP. We have seen a demonstrable change in policy and attitude from the GOP over the last couple decades from a conservative party to openly advocating for fascism. The change you claim to want is possible but you turn your nose up to it. You'd rather do things that have no chance of changing how things work in this country. A real revolutionary you are, GH. This is just the start of the perpetual dem apologist refrain of: 1. There's a problem 2. Politicians won't fix it 3. Need to replace the politicians with ones that will 4. Can't replace the politicians because of how the system works 5. Need to fix the system 6. Politicians wont fix it (because it benefits them) 7. Repeat ad nauseam. people of good conscience need to get off that hamster wheel if we want any hope of a desirable future. It's not something they can wait another 40-60 years to do (like they have on the Black-white wealth gap). It's already too late to save countless people and every day they stubbornly refuse to get off the wheel countless more are lost. If you're going to thoughtlessly advocate for a tea partyesque movement you would do well to remember they also ignored electability arguments and were willing to lose winnable elections in favor of supporting their preference. Something I understand you specifically to be advocating against. I would personally prefer social democrats of the 60's to have shifted toward being democratic socialists in the 90's and would be more just plainly socialist in the 2020's. That's not what happened though. Instead they went the "New Democrat/Third Way" route and dragged anyone that opposed Republicans with them as the only other option. Contrary to what you all believe, I don't want a violent revolution. I just want (let's say to start) the same wealth distribution Republican voters want. AFAICT LightSpectra is the only person that believes there's a path to that in the US where the "1%" don't pay (various degrees of desperate) people (besides politicians, SC Judges, etc) to stop that, including violently if/when it comes to that. But also, no one has any prescription for how to overcome that. So....? On February 13 2026 02:14 Introvert wrote:On February 13 2026 01:07 Jankisa wrote:
Well, they are here, and they will happilly tell you.
For oBlade, about getting one over Democrats and punishing them and anyone who is not white, applying laws selectively and spitting on the rest of the world who has been "taking advantage" of Americans. Basically, just regurgitated "America first" bullshit marching orders he gets form watching his idol Tucker Carlson.
Whatever lefties propose, he has diatribes he copy pasted from stormfront ready, with links and videos from X, the everything app, the guy never leaves his media bubble and when challenged here he just ignores it and keeps on spamming his bullshit.
The saddest part is that he's just a sad incel who has no personality or interests of his own so he lives vicariously by watching jack booted thugs executing people.
For Introvert, it's grievance, he, unlike oBlade at least has the balls to occasionally spare a critical word for Trump and his cohort, but, he is so blinded by propaganda and hate, he's been so convinced that immigrants are the poison killing his country and that the reason for this are Democrats that he is willing to cheer on downright fascism as long as they punish the people he hates, namely Democrats, liberals and anyone else conservatives blame for the USA being a shitthole it is.
This can range from Europeans and everyone else getting a "free ride" and USA protection, which, along with paying for immigrant healthcare is the reason, in his head, why USA can't afford healthcare.
For Jimmy, he's either a bad troll or very stupid, the guy unironically watches fox news and posts and acts like a boomer.
All of them share the common trait that they are petty people who blame all the issues in the USA on anything other then the country being a deliberate shit show, it's unimaginable to them that normal people from USA can be critical of both Democrats and Republicans and still vote and prefer Democrats every time much in the same way that GH can't imagine that people don't have to love or defend Democrats to want them to get back in to power as a better alternative to an inevitably violent and catastrophic revolution. There's a lot wrong here and maybe this is bait, but I'd love to know where I ever said this or anything remotely like it. I would normally ignore stuff like this but it’s interesting because it's clear so much of it is just stuff you invented in your own head. + Show Spoiler +
If I misconstrued your reasoning, please feel free to correct me on it. I arrived at it from reading your general approach to topics.
Regarding oBlade's "rebuttal", I find it honestly hilarious that he tried to a) deny who he is, despite very obviously being in support of everything these guys do , b) move on to nitpick a word (classic) and then d) go on to prove exactly I wrote by going on to another comment in order to shit on Democrats.
GH, I understand that not everyone reads and comments on everything everyone writes, however, I put out 3 things that are very obvious and have been done, successfully before. This wealth would be very easily re-distributed by simply, doubling the corporate tax rate, that would get the income from it from half a trillion to one trillion. This would still be lower corporate tax rate then what it was in the 60-es. Okay... Redistributive taxation isn't the puzzle though? It's how to overcome the US Hamster Wheel/regulatory capture to sustainably implement redistributive policies that electoralism has no answer to? 1. There's a problem [wealth distribution in this case] 2. [bipartisan] Politicians won't fix it 3. Need to replace the politicians with ones that will 4. Can't replace the politicians because of how the system works 5. Need to fix the system 6. [bipartisan] Politicians won't fix it (because it benefits them) 7. Repeat ad nauseam. Retirement age Black people have spent their entire adult lives relentlessly supporting/voting for Democrats more reliably than any other group of people has for the last 60 years. That wealth distribution problem relative to the Black-white gap has been stagnant or gotten worse as a consequence. It's pretty literally insane to keep doing that.
The problem with discussing fixing the problems with the US political system is that the system is so fundamentally broken that even if there existed the political will to fix it, it's going to take decades.
In addition, just as you correctly identified, that the problem with actually effecting any wealth redistribution runs deeper than just the political system: the problem with effecting any positive change to the political system, likewise, runs deeper, it's cultural.
And even if you had the means to effect cultural change, that is going to take decades too.
Then to bring even more bad news. At least a significant chunk of the cultural issues, are the effects of decades of cold war propaganda (and I use the term propaganda in its original non-derogative meaning). And undoing that will take decades of propaganda, which frankly, requires state involvement, which... oh no... requires you to solve the political problem.
To add to this horrible ouroboros of deeply ingrained problems, your (US) politics on the ground level, is such a team sport, that I'm sceptical you have any path to get anything done, and a part of this partisanship may be exacerbated by intentional foreign influence. Well, you have yourselves a pickle.
I don't think you have any choice but to simultaneously try to solve/lessen all 3. Even then... will probably take decades and far from guarantee of success.
As a fortunate non-American, I wish you guys good luck. Looks like a bit of a pickle you guys are in.
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On February 13 2026 08:50 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2026 04:35 GreenHorizons wrote:On February 13 2026 04:11 Jankisa wrote:On February 13 2026 04:04 GreenHorizons wrote:On February 13 2026 01:07 Jankisa wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Well, they are here, and they will happilly tell you.
For oBlade, about getting one over Democrats and punishing them and anyone who is not white, applying laws selectively and spitting on the rest of the world who has been "taking advantage" of Americans. Basically, just regurgitated "America first" bullshit marching orders he gets form watching his idol Tucker Carlson.
Whatever lefties propose, he has diatribes he copy pasted from stormfront ready, with links and videos from X, the everything app, the guy never leaves his media bubble and when challenged here he just ignores it and keeps on spamming his bullshit.
The saddest part is that he's just a sad incel who has no personality or interests of his own so he lives vicariously by watching jack booted thugs executing people.
For Introvert, it's grievance, he, unlike oBlade at least has the balls to occasionally spare a critical word for Trump and his cohort, but, he is so blinded by propaganda and hate, he's been so convinced that immigrants are the poison killing his country and that the reason for this are Democrats that he is willing to cheer on downright fascism as long as they punish the people he hates, namely Democrats, liberals and anyone else conservatives blame for the USA being a shitthole it is.
This can range from Europeans and everyone else getting a "free ride" and USA protection, which, along with paying for immigrant healthcare is the reason, in his head, why USA can't afford healthcare.
For Jimmy, he's either a bad troll or very stupid, the guy unironically watches fox news and posts and acts like a boomer.
All of them share the common trait that they are petty people who blame all the issues in the USA on anything other then the country being a deliberate shit show, it's unimaginable to them that normal people from USA can be critical of both Democrats and Republicans and still vote and prefer Democrats every time much in the same way that GH can't imagine that people don't have to love or defend Democrats to want them to get back in to power as a better alternative to an inevitably violent and catastrophic revolution. I fully understand that people don't have to love Democrats to want them to get back in power as a preferable alternative to Republicans/revolution. They do typically have to defend them/their support from critics. That's part of when/why they resorted (for better or worse) to "lesser evilism" and the "trolley problem" as their defense of Democrats and their support of them and/despite their actions. This is part of why the discussion on wealth distribution in the US died without the critical "how do we change that in the US" part. It's definitely not about a majority of people in the US wanting to redistribute it more equally, because they do, and we have all known for well over a decade. The inequality is actually worse since this image btw. + Show Spoiler +Besides what Simberto mentioned about not being able to actually comprehend the scale, I believe that's at least partly because of the Hamster Wheel On August 30 2023 01:44 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 30 2023 00:42 StasisField wrote:On August 29 2023 06:12 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 29 2023 05:38 StasisField wrote:On August 29 2023 05:30 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 29 2023 05:06 StasisField wrote:
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If enough people protest vote/don't vote in a safe state, they are no longer safe. Vote protesting of any kind is really stupid when christo-fascism is at our doorstep. From my perspective the US is essentially christo-fascism's (though I'd use "racial capitalism's") "house", and dad's just coming home to the doorstep from work abroad. So because things are already bad you don't want to keep things from getting worse? Wow, very progressive of you. Truly, the revolution we've all been waiting for: doing nothing because things already suck. On the contrary, I consider perpetually voting for whoever the Democrat party allows to be demonstrably ineffective and in effect "doing nothing". The incontrovertible example I typically refer to being 0 progress in 60+ years on racial wealth inequality and the unparalleled support of Democrats by Black people despite that. Never mind looking past Biden's personal responsibility for contributing to decades of destroying our families/communities with mass incarceration the whole time. That Democrats feel entitled to my or any other Black person's vote despite that is disgusting to me. That they so brazenly try to shame anyone that disagrees with them that they are, is indescribably disappointing. That they rationalize it by pointing to the system they built is just asinine. You can't get what you want from Democrats if you don't vote in your own Democrats. You want a socialist revolution? Taking over the most popular party in a 2-party system and implementing your policy platform through that party is a nonviolent path to a real socialist revolution. You vote for socialists in the primary and you hold the line against literal fascist rule in the general. The evidence this works is the GOP. We have seen a demonstrable change in policy and attitude from the GOP over the last couple decades from a conservative party to openly advocating for fascism. The change you claim to want is possible but you turn your nose up to it. You'd rather do things that have no chance of changing how things work in this country. A real revolutionary you are, GH. This is just the start of the perpetual dem apologist refrain of: 1. There's a problem 2. Politicians won't fix it 3. Need to replace the politicians with ones that will 4. Can't replace the politicians because of how the system works 5. Need to fix the system 6. Politicians wont fix it (because it benefits them) 7. Repeat ad nauseam. people of good conscience need to get off that hamster wheel if we want any hope of a desirable future. It's not something they can wait another 40-60 years to do (like they have on the Black-white wealth gap). It's already too late to save countless people and every day they stubbornly refuse to get off the wheel countless more are lost. If you're going to thoughtlessly advocate for a tea partyesque movement you would do well to remember they also ignored electability arguments and were willing to lose winnable elections in favor of supporting their preference. Something I understand you specifically to be advocating against. I would personally prefer social democrats of the 60's to have shifted toward being democratic socialists in the 90's and would be more just plainly socialist in the 2020's. That's not what happened though. Instead they went the "New Democrat/Third Way" route and dragged anyone that opposed Republicans with them as the only other option. Contrary to what you all believe, I don't want a violent revolution. I just want (let's say to start) the same wealth distribution Republican voters want. AFAICT LightSpectra is the only person that believes there's a path to that in the US where the "1%" don't pay (various degrees of desperate) people (besides politicians, SC Judges, etc) to stop that, including violently if/when it comes to that. But also, no one has any prescription for how to overcome that. So....? On February 13 2026 02:14 Introvert wrote:On February 13 2026 01:07 Jankisa wrote:
Well, they are here, and they will happilly tell you.
For oBlade, about getting one over Democrats and punishing them and anyone who is not white, applying laws selectively and spitting on the rest of the world who has been "taking advantage" of Americans. Basically, just regurgitated "America first" bullshit marching orders he gets form watching his idol Tucker Carlson.
Whatever lefties propose, he has diatribes he copy pasted from stormfront ready, with links and videos from X, the everything app, the guy never leaves his media bubble and when challenged here he just ignores it and keeps on spamming his bullshit.
The saddest part is that he's just a sad incel who has no personality or interests of his own so he lives vicariously by watching jack booted thugs executing people.
For Introvert, it's grievance, he, unlike oBlade at least has the balls to occasionally spare a critical word for Trump and his cohort, but, he is so blinded by propaganda and hate, he's been so convinced that immigrants are the poison killing his country and that the reason for this are Democrats that he is willing to cheer on downright fascism as long as they punish the people he hates, namely Democrats, liberals and anyone else conservatives blame for the USA being a shitthole it is.
This can range from Europeans and everyone else getting a "free ride" and USA protection, which, along with paying for immigrant healthcare is the reason, in his head, why USA can't afford healthcare.
For Jimmy, he's either a bad troll or very stupid, the guy unironically watches fox news and posts and acts like a boomer.
All of them share the common trait that they are petty people who blame all the issues in the USA on anything other then the country being a deliberate shit show, it's unimaginable to them that normal people from USA can be critical of both Democrats and Republicans and still vote and prefer Democrats every time much in the same way that GH can't imagine that people don't have to love or defend Democrats to want them to get back in to power as a better alternative to an inevitably violent and catastrophic revolution. There's a lot wrong here and maybe this is bait, but I'd love to know where I ever said this or anything remotely like it. I would normally ignore stuff like this but it’s interesting because it's clear so much of it is just stuff you invented in your own head. + Show Spoiler +
If I misconstrued your reasoning, please feel free to correct me on it. I arrived at it from reading your general approach to topics.
Regarding oBlade's "rebuttal", I find it honestly hilarious that he tried to a) deny who he is, despite very obviously being in support of everything these guys do , b) move on to nitpick a word (classic) and then d) go on to prove exactly I wrote by going on to another comment in order to shit on Democrats.
GH, I understand that not everyone reads and comments on everything everyone writes, however, I put out 3 things that are very obvious and have been done, successfully before. This wealth would be very easily re-distributed by simply, doubling the corporate tax rate, that would get the income from it from half a trillion to one trillion. This would still be lower corporate tax rate then what it was in the 60-es. Okay... Redistributive taxation isn't the puzzle though? It's how to overcome the US Hamster Wheel/regulatory capture to sustainably implement redistributive policies that electoralism has no answer to? 1. There's a problem [wealth distribution in this case] 2. [bipartisan] Politicians won't fix it 3. Need to replace the politicians with ones that will 4. Can't replace the politicians because of how the system works 5. Need to fix the system 6. [bipartisan] Politicians won't fix it (because it benefits them) 7. Repeat ad nauseam. Retirement age Black people have spent their entire adult lives relentlessly supporting/voting for Democrats more reliably than any other group of people has for the last 60 years. That wealth distribution problem relative to the Black-white gap has been stagnant or gotten worse as a consequence. It's pretty literally insane to keep doing that. The problem with discussing fixing the problems with the US political system is that the system is so fundamentally broken that even if there existed the political will to fix it, it's going to take decades. + Show Spoiler +In addition, just as you correctly identified, that the problem with actually effecting any wealth redistribution runs deeper than just the political system: the problem with effecting any positive change to the political system, likewise, runs deeper, it's cultural.
And even if you had the means to effect cultural change, that is going to take decades too.
Then to bring even more bad news. At least a significant chunk of the cultural issues, are the effects of decades of cold war propaganda (and I use the term propaganda in its original non-derogative meaning). And undoing that will take decades of propaganda, which frankly, requires state involvement, which... oh no... requires you to solve the political problem.
To add to this horrible ouroboros of deeply ingrained problems, your (US) politics on the ground level, is such a team sport, that I'm sceptical you have any path to get anything done, and a part of this partisanship may be exacerbated by intentional foreign influence. Well, you have yourselves a pickle.
I don't think you have any choice but to simultaneously try to solve/lessen all 3. Even then... will probably take decades and far from guarantee of success. As a fortunate non-American, I wish you guys good luck. Looks like a bit of a pickle you guys are in. Besides the fact that what you're describing was what was supposed to be happening from the inside out with Democrats since the 60's. As I pointed out, they've gone so far the other way (despite lifetimes of a lot of very dedicated and intelligent people's best efforts), that the biggest achievement by Democrats in our lives was passing a healthcare bill that Nixon and his Republican party rejected as being too right-wing.
I can't disagree that any solution is going to be hard in some capacities. However, between Trump/Fascism and the best available ecological science, no one reasonably believes that we have decades or that being non-American/not in the US will be sufficient (certainly not for future generations).
So...?
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On February 13 2026 04:11 Jankisa wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2026 02:14 Introvert wrote:On February 13 2026 01:07 Jankisa wrote:
Well, they are here, and they will happilly tell you.
For oBlade, about getting one over Democrats and punishing them and anyone who is not white, applying laws selectively and spitting on the rest of the world who has been "taking advantage" of Americans. Basically, just regurgitated "America first" bullshit marching orders he gets form watching his idol Tucker Carlson.
Whatever lefties propose, he has diatribes he copy pasted from stormfront ready, with links and videos from X, the everything app, the guy never leaves his media bubble and when challenged here he just ignores it and keeps on spamming his bullshit.
The saddest part is that he's just a sad incel who has no personality or interests of his own so he lives vicariously by watching jack booted thugs executing people.
For Introvert, it's grievance, he, unlike oBlade at least has the balls to occasionally spare a critical word for Trump and his cohort, but, he is so blinded by propaganda and hate, he's been so convinced that immigrants are the poison killing his country and that the reason for this are Democrats that he is willing to cheer on downright fascism as long as they punish the people he hates, namely Democrats, liberals and anyone else conservatives blame for the USA being a shitthole it is.
This can range from Europeans and everyone else getting a "free ride" and USA protection, which, along with paying for immigrant healthcare is the reason, in his head, why USA can't afford healthcare.
For Jimmy, he's either a bad troll or very stupid, the guy unironically watches fox news and posts and acts like a boomer.
All of them share the common trait that they are petty people who blame all the issues in the USA on anything other then the country being a deliberate shit show, it's unimaginable to them that normal people from USA can be critical of both Democrats and Republicans and still vote and prefer Democrats every time much in the same way that GH can't imagine that people don't have to love or defend Democrats to want them to get back in to power as a better alternative to an inevitably violent and catastrophic revolution. There's a lot wrong here and maybe this is bait, but I'd love to know where I ever said this or anything remotely like it. I would normally ignore stuff like this but it’s interesting because it's clear so much of it is just stuff you invented in your own head. If I misconstrued your reasoning, please feel free to correct me on it. I arrived at it from reading your general approach to topics. Regarding oBlade's "rebuttal", I find it honestly hilarious that he tried to a) deny who he is, despite very obviously being in support of everything these guys do , b) move on to nitpick a word (classic) and then d) go on to prove exactly I wrote by going on to another comment in order to shit on Democrats. GH, I understand that not everyone reads and comments on everything everyone writes, however, I put out 3 things that are very obvious and have been done, successfully before. This wealth would be very easily re-distributed by simply, doubling the corporate tax rate, that would get the income from it from half a trillion to one trillion. This would still be lower corporate tax rate then what it was in the 60-es.
Well yes, this is the problem. "My general approach to topics." You are raging at someone with opinions you seemingly assigned them at random.
To take that particular example, I've never argued that immigrants are why US healthcare is expensive. It can be a problem for state budgets, like in California which last year spent billions by expanding state Medi-cal coverage to illegal immigrants. Naturally, it also cost 2.7 BILLION more than they expected so they've had to pause enrollment and add a $30 premium. But the insanity of this policy aside, this is not why healthcare is expensive. It's also true that at times like the Biden Border Surge certain localities will have their facilities overwhelmed. But I know that American healthcare is expensive for entirely separate reasons, even if I still oppose the incredibly stupid policy of giving free healthcare to people who don't even have a right to be in the country. What's even more interesting about this is seeing that it's basically just you and the other Europeans (or transplants to the USA) who will actually concede that maybe some people should even be deported in the first place! For all the supposed radicalism of the American right on this topic getting an American leftist to say someone should be deported is like pulling teeth.
So your intuition needs work. We could discuss the things I mentioned above, or you could continue to say that I'm just out to have my grievances acted upon.
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On February 13 2026 09:15 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2026 08:50 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:On February 13 2026 04:35 GreenHorizons wrote:On February 13 2026 04:11 Jankisa wrote:On February 13 2026 04:04 GreenHorizons wrote:On February 13 2026 01:07 Jankisa wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Well, they are here, and they will happilly tell you.
For oBlade, about getting one over Democrats and punishing them and anyone who is not white, applying laws selectively and spitting on the rest of the world who has been "taking advantage" of Americans. Basically, just regurgitated "America first" bullshit marching orders he gets form watching his idol Tucker Carlson.
Whatever lefties propose, he has diatribes he copy pasted from stormfront ready, with links and videos from X, the everything app, the guy never leaves his media bubble and when challenged here he just ignores it and keeps on spamming his bullshit.
The saddest part is that he's just a sad incel who has no personality or interests of his own so he lives vicariously by watching jack booted thugs executing people.
For Introvert, it's grievance, he, unlike oBlade at least has the balls to occasionally spare a critical word for Trump and his cohort, but, he is so blinded by propaganda and hate, he's been so convinced that immigrants are the poison killing his country and that the reason for this are Democrats that he is willing to cheer on downright fascism as long as they punish the people he hates, namely Democrats, liberals and anyone else conservatives blame for the USA being a shitthole it is.
This can range from Europeans and everyone else getting a "free ride" and USA protection, which, along with paying for immigrant healthcare is the reason, in his head, why USA can't afford healthcare.
For Jimmy, he's either a bad troll or very stupid, the guy unironically watches fox news and posts and acts like a boomer.
All of them share the common trait that they are petty people who blame all the issues in the USA on anything other then the country being a deliberate shit show, it's unimaginable to them that normal people from USA can be critical of both Democrats and Republicans and still vote and prefer Democrats every time much in the same way that GH can't imagine that people don't have to love or defend Democrats to want them to get back in to power as a better alternative to an inevitably violent and catastrophic revolution. I fully understand that people don't have to love Democrats to want them to get back in power as a preferable alternative to Republicans/revolution. They do typically have to defend them/their support from critics. That's part of when/why they resorted (for better or worse) to "lesser evilism" and the "trolley problem" as their defense of Democrats and their support of them and/despite their actions. This is part of why the discussion on wealth distribution in the US died without the critical "how do we change that in the US" part. It's definitely not about a majority of people in the US wanting to redistribute it more equally, because they do, and we have all known for well over a decade. The inequality is actually worse since this image btw. + Show Spoiler +Besides what Simberto mentioned about not being able to actually comprehend the scale, I believe that's at least partly because of the Hamster Wheel On August 30 2023 01:44 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 30 2023 00:42 StasisField wrote:On August 29 2023 06:12 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 29 2023 05:38 StasisField wrote:On August 29 2023 05:30 GreenHorizons wrote:
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From my perspective the US is essentially christo-fascism's (though I'd use "racial capitalism's") "house", and dad's just coming home to the doorstep from work abroad. So because things are already bad you don't want to keep things from getting worse? Wow, very progressive of you. Truly, the revolution we've all been waiting for: doing nothing because things already suck. On the contrary, I consider perpetually voting for whoever the Democrat party allows to be demonstrably ineffective and in effect "doing nothing". The incontrovertible example I typically refer to being 0 progress in 60+ years on racial wealth inequality and the unparalleled support of Democrats by Black people despite that. Never mind looking past Biden's personal responsibility for contributing to decades of destroying our families/communities with mass incarceration the whole time. That Democrats feel entitled to my or any other Black person's vote despite that is disgusting to me. That they so brazenly try to shame anyone that disagrees with them that they are, is indescribably disappointing. That they rationalize it by pointing to the system they built is just asinine. You can't get what you want from Democrats if you don't vote in your own Democrats. You want a socialist revolution? Taking over the most popular party in a 2-party system and implementing your policy platform through that party is a nonviolent path to a real socialist revolution. You vote for socialists in the primary and you hold the line against literal fascist rule in the general. The evidence this works is the GOP. We have seen a demonstrable change in policy and attitude from the GOP over the last couple decades from a conservative party to openly advocating for fascism. The change you claim to want is possible but you turn your nose up to it. You'd rather do things that have no chance of changing how things work in this country. A real revolutionary you are, GH. This is just the start of the perpetual dem apologist refrain of: 1. There's a problem 2. Politicians won't fix it 3. Need to replace the politicians with ones that will 4. Can't replace the politicians because of how the system works 5. Need to fix the system 6. Politicians wont fix it (because it benefits them) 7. Repeat ad nauseam. people of good conscience need to get off that hamster wheel if we want any hope of a desirable future. It's not something they can wait another 40-60 years to do (like they have on the Black-white wealth gap). It's already too late to save countless people and every day they stubbornly refuse to get off the wheel countless more are lost. If you're going to thoughtlessly advocate for a tea partyesque movement you would do well to remember they also ignored electability arguments and were willing to lose winnable elections in favor of supporting their preference. Something I understand you specifically to be advocating against. I would personally prefer social democrats of the 60's to have shifted toward being democratic socialists in the 90's and would be more just plainly socialist in the 2020's. That's not what happened though. Instead they went the "New Democrat/Third Way" route and dragged anyone that opposed Republicans with them as the only other option. Contrary to what you all believe, I don't want a violent revolution. I just want (let's say to start) the same wealth distribution Republican voters want. AFAICT LightSpectra is the only person that believes there's a path to that in the US where the "1%" don't pay (various degrees of desperate) people (besides politicians, SC Judges, etc) to stop that, including violently if/when it comes to that. But also, no one has any prescription for how to overcome that. So....? On February 13 2026 02:14 Introvert wrote:On February 13 2026 01:07 Jankisa wrote:
Well, they are here, and they will happilly tell you.
For oBlade, about getting one over Democrats and punishing them and anyone who is not white, applying laws selectively and spitting on the rest of the world who has been "taking advantage" of Americans. Basically, just regurgitated "America first" bullshit marching orders he gets form watching his idol Tucker Carlson.
Whatever lefties propose, he has diatribes he copy pasted from stormfront ready, with links and videos from X, the everything app, the guy never leaves his media bubble and when challenged here he just ignores it and keeps on spamming his bullshit.
The saddest part is that he's just a sad incel who has no personality or interests of his own so he lives vicariously by watching jack booted thugs executing people.
For Introvert, it's grievance, he, unlike oBlade at least has the balls to occasionally spare a critical word for Trump and his cohort, but, he is so blinded by propaganda and hate, he's been so convinced that immigrants are the poison killing his country and that the reason for this are Democrats that he is willing to cheer on downright fascism as long as they punish the people he hates, namely Democrats, liberals and anyone else conservatives blame for the USA being a shitthole it is.
This can range from Europeans and everyone else getting a "free ride" and USA protection, which, along with paying for immigrant healthcare is the reason, in his head, why USA can't afford healthcare.
For Jimmy, he's either a bad troll or very stupid, the guy unironically watches fox news and posts and acts like a boomer.
All of them share the common trait that they are petty people who blame all the issues in the USA on anything other then the country being a deliberate shit show, it's unimaginable to them that normal people from USA can be critical of both Democrats and Republicans and still vote and prefer Democrats every time much in the same way that GH can't imagine that people don't have to love or defend Democrats to want them to get back in to power as a better alternative to an inevitably violent and catastrophic revolution. There's a lot wrong here and maybe this is bait, but I'd love to know where I ever said this or anything remotely like it. I would normally ignore stuff like this but it’s interesting because it's clear so much of it is just stuff you invented in your own head. + Show Spoiler +
If I misconstrued your reasoning, please feel free to correct me on it. I arrived at it from reading your general approach to topics.
Regarding oBlade's "rebuttal", I find it honestly hilarious that he tried to a) deny who he is, despite very obviously being in support of everything these guys do , b) move on to nitpick a word (classic) and then d) go on to prove exactly I wrote by going on to another comment in order to shit on Democrats.
GH, I understand that not everyone reads and comments on everything everyone writes, however, I put out 3 things that are very obvious and have been done, successfully before. This wealth would be very easily re-distributed by simply, doubling the corporate tax rate, that would get the income from it from half a trillion to one trillion. This would still be lower corporate tax rate then what it was in the 60-es. Okay... Redistributive taxation isn't the puzzle though? It's how to overcome the US Hamster Wheel/regulatory capture to sustainably implement redistributive policies that electoralism has no answer to? 1. There's a problem [wealth distribution in this case] 2. [bipartisan] Politicians won't fix it 3. Need to replace the politicians with ones that will 4. Can't replace the politicians because of how the system works 5. Need to fix the system 6. [bipartisan] Politicians won't fix it (because it benefits them) 7. Repeat ad nauseam. Retirement age Black people have spent their entire adult lives relentlessly supporting/voting for Democrats more reliably than any other group of people has for the last 60 years. That wealth distribution problem relative to the Black-white gap has been stagnant or gotten worse as a consequence. It's pretty literally insane to keep doing that. The problem with discussing fixing the problems with the US political system is that the system is so fundamentally broken that even if there existed the political will to fix it, it's going to take decades. + Show Spoiler +In addition, just as you correctly identified, that the problem with actually effecting any wealth redistribution runs deeper than just the political system: the problem with effecting any positive change to the political system, likewise, runs deeper, it's cultural.
And even if you had the means to effect cultural change, that is going to take decades too.
Then to bring even more bad news. At least a significant chunk of the cultural issues, are the effects of decades of cold war propaganda (and I use the term propaganda in its original non-derogative meaning). And undoing that will take decades of propaganda, which frankly, requires state involvement, which... oh no... requires you to solve the political problem.
To add to this horrible ouroboros of deeply ingrained problems, your (US) politics on the ground level, is such a team sport, that I'm sceptical you have any path to get anything done, and a part of this partisanship may be exacerbated by intentional foreign influence. Well, you have yourselves a pickle.
I don't think you have any choice but to simultaneously try to solve/lessen all 3. Even then... will probably take decades and far from guarantee of success. As a fortunate non-American, I wish you guys good luck. Looks like a bit of a pickle you guys are in. Besides the fact that what you're describing was what was supposed to be happening from the inside out with Democrats since the 60's. As I pointed out, they've gone so far the other way (despite lifetimes of a lot of very dedicated and intelligent people's best efforts), that the biggest achievement by Democrats in our lives was passing a healthcare bill that Nixon and his Republican party rejected as being too right-wing. I can't disagree that any solution is going to be hard in some capacities. However, between Trump/Fascism and the best available ecological science, no one reasonably believes that we have decades or that being non-American/not in the US will be sufficient (certainly not for future generations). So...?
So small victories. There's no point doing root cause analysis to try and solve the underlying issues first, because as you say, you might not have long enough to solve the underlying issues, also the issues are circular.
All you can do attack what problems you can on every level. My point in replying to the original post, is that redistributive taxation is, in fact, the puzzle, so is everything else, the only option you guys have is to attack the problem from all angles and levels, all at the same time.
You'll need to redistribute wealth, you need to get money out of politics, you need people to stop thinking that a good way to run a country or an economy is just try to be the opposite of the USSR, and you need a third of your country to not think of another third of your country as enemies, and vice versa. You need to do all of this at the same time and more, because you don't have the luxury (or frankly the ability) to solve one problem at a time anymore.
All you can do is consider and do what can be done on all these fronts, and take what little victories you can get.
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On February 13 2026 06:58 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2026 05:56 dyhb wrote:On February 13 2026 05:35 Jankisa wrote:Dyhb, as a relative newcomer, you, to me personally are the worse of them. The vile shit you spew out justifying murder of 2 boys, 11 and 8 in Gaza over in the Palestine thready and your doubling down is some of the worse sociopathic shit I've red on this forum, and that's saying a lot.
I don't even want to address anything you write in this thread because you are as uninteresting as you are inhumane. As you can tell from my previous post, I'm not interested in currying favor with somebody that tries to insult their way out of having a topical, interesting conversation. We've all heard it from kids that you're on the side of light and your opponents are on the side of darkness. There's really nowhere to go until you discover shared humanity and empathy. Go find ten things that are genuine disagreements without implying moral bankruptcy, and at least three things from your post that you'd equally apply to describe yourself. I'll take your literal post to give you ideas of insults that you might want to also apply inward. + Show Spoiler +On February 13 2026 01:07 Jankisa wrote:
For me, it's about getting one over Republicans and punishing them and anyone who is white, applying laws selectively and spitting on my fellow countrymen. Basically, I just regurgitate bullshit talking points and marching orders I get from watching left-wing influencers.
Whatever right-wingers propose, I post diatribes I copy pasted from left-wing outlets. I never leaves my media bubble and when challenged, I ignore it and keep on spamming bullshit.
The saddest part is that I'm just a sad incel who has no personality or interests of my own so I live vicariously by watching protesters break the law.
I am so blinded by propaganda and hate, I'm so convinced that Republicans are the poison killing America that I is willing to cheer on downright fascism as long as they punish the people I hate, namely Republicans, MAGA and anyone else progressives blame.
This can range from free-market types and everyone else not breaking the law to oppose the government.
I am a petty person who blame all the issues in the USA on Republicans. Is this just to run in perpetuity no matter how reprehensible one’s policy prescriptions are, or individuals or political movements one carries water for? I'm a little hopeful that you can use your words to describe how and what you find reprehensible, instead of adopting the kind of insulting epithets that debases yourself. You really embody the perspective that talking about the issues is over, and now is the time to flash the middle fingers and perform your outrage.
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On February 13 2026 10:01 dyhb wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2026 06:58 WombaT wrote:On February 13 2026 05:56 dyhb wrote:On February 13 2026 05:35 Jankisa wrote:Dyhb, as a relative newcomer, you, to me personally are the worse of them. The vile shit you spew out justifying murder of 2 boys, 11 and 8 in Gaza over in the Palestine thready and your doubling down is some of the worse sociopathic shit I've red on this forum, and that's saying a lot.
I don't even want to address anything you write in this thread because you are as uninteresting as you are inhumane. As you can tell from my previous post, I'm not interested in currying favor with somebody that tries to insult their way out of having a topical, interesting conversation. We've all heard it from kids that you're on the side of light and your opponents are on the side of darkness. There's really nowhere to go until you discover shared humanity and empathy. Go find ten things that are genuine disagreements without implying moral bankruptcy, and at least three things from your post that you'd equally apply to describe yourself. I'll take your literal post to give you ideas of insults that you might want to also apply inward. + Show Spoiler +On February 13 2026 01:07 Jankisa wrote:
For me, it's about getting one over Republicans and punishing them and anyone who is white, applying laws selectively and spitting on my fellow countrymen. Basically, I just regurgitate bullshit talking points and marching orders I get from watching left-wing influencers.
Whatever right-wingers propose, I post diatribes I copy pasted from left-wing outlets. I never leaves my media bubble and when challenged, I ignore it and keep on spamming bullshit.
The saddest part is that I'm just a sad incel who has no personality or interests of my own so I live vicariously by watching protesters break the law.
I am so blinded by propaganda and hate, I'm so convinced that Republicans are the poison killing America that I is willing to cheer on downright fascism as long as they punish the people I hate, namely Republicans, MAGA and anyone else progressives blame.
This can range from free-market types and everyone else not breaking the law to oppose the government.
I am a petty person who blame all the issues in the USA on Republicans. Is this just to run in perpetuity no matter how reprehensible one’s policy prescriptions are, or individuals or political movements one carries water for? I'm a little hopeful that you can use your words to describe how and what you find reprehensible, instead of adopting the kind of insulting epithets that debases yourself. You really embody the perspective that talking about the issues is over, and now is the time to flash the middle fingers and perform your outrage.
Perhaps you should apply your theory and use it to engage KwarK. I certainly trust KwarK to engage in good faith moreso than I do oblade or JJR, but he's still very likely to call you stupid and/or just troll you.
When you're done, report back on how it went. We'll see if your theory has merit, or if you're just foisting it out here as an ironic application of the thing you claim you're trying to defeat.
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On February 13 2026 09:53 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
You'll need to redistribute wealth, you need to get money out of politics.
The second part seems impossible. You can‘t have politics without budget being a part of it.
Economic blackmail is another matter. If someone like a head of state is being economically blackmailed or otherwise and the only entity that can make it public is the one doing the blackmailing, it‘s a big issue.
If the tools and methods to uncover the blackmail are also compromised by blackmailers, you end up with puppet states.
At a personal level you just want to be free from the machinations of a few megalomaniacs who might begin intruding your personal lives for their own amusement but since that‘s Trumps main clientele, tough titties.
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