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I do agree that democrats only chance is to appeal to centrist. Thing is current iteration of democratic party lost them.
Covid, Hunter laptop, dragging Trump through courts entire election, celebrating murder, idiotic nazi rhetoric. On top of that they keep going, riots, attacks on federal agents (which are, whether you like it or not, officers of the law) and on top of that democrats politicians going out of their way to make said federal agents harder. Add government shutdown to it.
No centre person get behind this kind of stuff and fact that democrats behave like a bunch of spoiled brats doesnt help.
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On October 17 2025 00:29 Razyda wrote:
I do agree that democrats only chance is to appeal to centrist. Thing is current iteration of democratic party lost them.
Covid, Hunter laptop, dragging Trump through courts entire election, celebrating murder, idiotic nazi rhetoric. On top of that they keep going, riots, attacks on federal agents (which are, whether you like it or not, officers of the law) and on top of that democrats politicians going out of their way to make said federal agents harder. Add government shutdown to it.
"covid" = exacerbated by Republicans through their anti-vax rhetoric and disease denialism
"Hunter laptop" = an irrelevant issue that Republicans were hyperfocused on (not Democrats)
"dragging Trump through courts" = he committed dozens of felonies and should be held accountable
"celebrating murder" = ???
"idiotic nazi rhetoric" = that's the Republicans, not the Democrats
"riots" = you mean like January 6th?
"attacks on federal agents" = you mean like Portland residents dancing in front of the ICE gestapo?
"government shutdown" = Republicans are more to blame for this than Democrats
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That word salad is better than any parody Razyda post I could have come up with. Chefs kiss.
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On October 17 2025 00:29 Razyda wrote:
I do agree that democrats only chance is to appeal to centrist. Thing is current iteration of democratic party lost them.
Covid, Hunter laptop, dragging Trump through courts entire election, celebrating murder, idiotic nazi rhetoric. On top of that they keep going, riots, attacks on federal agents (which are, whether you like it or not, officers of the law) and on top of that democrats politicians going out of their way to make said federal agents harder. Add government shutdown to it.
No centre person get behind this kind of stuff and fact that democrats behave like a bunch of spoiled brats doesnt help.
It might be more productive if you explained how all these issues link to centrists.
I'd start with 'who is a centrist' anyway. In my personal experience, people labeling themselves as centrists are actually conservatives but don't want to get hassled about it .
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That's usually what it boils down to. Not a single outspoken self identified centrist has voted for Harris.
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On October 17 2025 00:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2025 00:29 Razyda wrote:
I do agree that democrats only chance is to appeal to centrist. Thing is current iteration of democratic party lost them.
Covid, Hunter laptop, dragging Trump through courts entire election, celebrating murder, idiotic nazi rhetoric. On top of that they keep going, riots, attacks on federal agents (which are, whether you like it or not, officers of the law) and on top of that democrats politicians going out of their way to make said federal agents harder. Add government shutdown to it. "covid" = exacerbated by Republicans through their anti-vax rhetoric and disease denialism "Hunter laptop" = an irrelevant issue that Republicans were hyperfocused on (not Democrats) "dragging Trump through courts" = he committed dozens of felonies and should be held accountable "celebrating murder" = ??? "idiotic nazi rhetoric" = that's the Republicans, not the Democrats "riots" = you mean like January 6th? "attacks on federal agents" = you mean like Portland residents dancing in front of the ICE gestapo? "government shutdown" = Republicans are more to blame for this than Democrats
I would take issue with your thoughts on all of those but that last one is just embarrassing subjugation of reason to partisanship. If I hadn't been reading your posts for years I would think it was just dishonesty. Almost all Republicans in both houses voted for the CR, it's just not possible to be mostly their fault. It's not the 2010s anymore, blindly assigning blame to the GOP makes no sense. Idk why this of all things in the last weeks bothers me but it's just obviously *absurd* I guess.
Edit: without dems filibustering it, it would have passed. It just can't be the GOPs fault, ppl claiming it is should just lean into it like some dems are instead of this rediculous and embarrassing pretense
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It’s weird that the shutdowns that aren’t Trump’s fault keep happening during his administrations. Maybe science will one day be able to explain that.
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On October 17 2025 01:21 KwarK wrote:
It’s weird that the shutdowns that aren’t Trump’s fault keep happening during his administrations. Maybe science will one day be able to explain that.
It is pretty simple.
Shutdown when democrats are in power: Democrats are at fault for not giving the republicans what they want.
Shutdown when republicans are in power: Democrats are at fault for not giving the republicans what they want.
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On October 17 2025 01:17 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2025 00:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 17 2025 00:29 Razyda wrote:
I do agree that democrats only chance is to appeal to centrist. Thing is current iteration of democratic party lost them.
Covid, Hunter laptop, dragging Trump through courts entire election, celebrating murder, idiotic nazi rhetoric. On top of that they keep going, riots, attacks on federal agents (which are, whether you like it or not, officers of the law) and on top of that democrats politicians going out of their way to make said federal agents harder. Add government shutdown to it. "covid" = exacerbated by Republicans through their anti-vax rhetoric and disease denialism "Hunter laptop" = an irrelevant issue that Republicans were hyperfocused on (not Democrats) "dragging Trump through courts" = he committed dozens of felonies and should be held accountable "celebrating murder" = ??? "idiotic nazi rhetoric" = that's the Republicans, not the Democrats "riots" = you mean like January 6th? "attacks on federal agents" = you mean like Portland residents dancing in front of the ICE gestapo? "government shutdown" = Republicans are more to blame for this than Democrats I would take issue with your thoughts on all of those but that last one is just embarrassing subjugation of reason to partisanship. If I hadn't been reading your posts for years I would think it was just dishonesty. Almost all Republicans in both houses voted for the CR, it's just not possible to be mostly their fault. It's not the 2010s anymore, blindly assigning blame to the GOP makes no sense. Idk why this of all things in the last weeks bothers me but it's just obviously *absurd* I guess. Edit: without dems filibustering it, it would have passed. It just can't be the GOPs fault, ppl claiming it is should just lean into it like some dems are instead of this rediculous and embarrassing pretense
The Republicans - who have control of all branches of government - decided to shut down the government because they got caught removing healthcare from Americans. Or, as Razyda would put it, they're behaving "like a bunch of spoiled brats".
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On October 17 2025 00:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2025 00:29 Razyda wrote:
I do agree that democrats only chance is to appeal to centrist. Thing is current iteration of democratic party lost them.
Covid, Hunter laptop, dragging Trump through courts entire election, celebrating murder, idiotic nazi rhetoric. On top of that they keep going, riots, attacks on federal agents (which are, whether you like it or not, officers of the law) and on top of that democrats politicians going out of their way to make said federal agents harder. Add government shutdown to it. "covid" = exacerbated by Republicans through their anti-vax rhetoric and disease denialism "Hunter laptop" = an irrelevant issue that Republicans were hyperfocused on (not Democrats) "dragging Trump through courts" = he committed dozens of felonies and should be held accountable "celebrating murder" = ??? "idiotic nazi rhetoric" = that's the Republicans, not the Democrats "riots" = you mean like January 6th? "attacks on federal agents" = you mean like Portland residents dancing in front of the ICE gestapo? "government shutdown" = Republicans are more to blame for this than Democrats
obviously a charlie kirk reference
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On October 17 2025 02:19 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2025 00:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 17 2025 00:29 Razyda wrote:
I do agree that democrats only chance is to appeal to centrist. Thing is current iteration of democratic party lost them.
Covid, Hunter laptop, dragging Trump through courts entire election, celebrating murder, idiotic nazi rhetoric. On top of that they keep going, riots, attacks on federal agents (which are, whether you like it or not, officers of the law) and on top of that democrats politicians going out of their way to make said federal agents harder. Add government shutdown to it. "covid" = exacerbated by Republicans through their anti-vax rhetoric and disease denialism "Hunter laptop" = an irrelevant issue that Republicans were hyperfocused on (not Democrats) "dragging Trump through courts" = he committed dozens of felonies and should be held accountable "celebrating murder" = ??? "idiotic nazi rhetoric" = that's the Republicans, not the Democrats "riots" = you mean like January 6th? "attacks on federal agents" = you mean like Portland residents dancing in front of the ICE gestapo? "government shutdown" = Republicans are more to blame for this than Democrats obviously a charlie kirk reference
Not sure about that. I mean yes, Charlie Kirk said that Trayvon Martin hunted the guy who murdered him and yes, Charlie Kirk described George Floyd as a scumbag. But just because he attacks and blames the victims of murder doesn’t mean he celebrates their deaths. He just wants the narrative to be about the choices the victims made and how they don’t deserve sympathy.
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On October 17 2025 02:19 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2025 00:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 17 2025 00:29 Razyda wrote:
I do agree that democrats only chance is to appeal to centrist. Thing is current iteration of democratic party lost them.
Covid, Hunter laptop, dragging Trump through courts entire election, celebrating murder, idiotic nazi rhetoric. On top of that they keep going, riots, attacks on federal agents (which are, whether you like it or not, officers of the law) and on top of that democrats politicians going out of their way to make said federal agents harder. Add government shutdown to it. "covid" = exacerbated by Republicans through their anti-vax rhetoric and disease denialism "Hunter laptop" = an irrelevant issue that Republicans were hyperfocused on (not Democrats) "dragging Trump through courts" = he committed dozens of felonies and should be held accountable "celebrating murder" = ??? "idiotic nazi rhetoric" = that's the Republicans, not the Democrats "riots" = you mean like January 6th? "attacks on federal agents" = you mean like Portland residents dancing in front of the ICE gestapo? "government shutdown" = Republicans are more to blame for this than Democrats obviously a charlie kirk reference
I originally thought so too, except Democratic leadership was absolutely not celebrating Charlie Kirk's death. They were quite united in their rejection of all political violence, regardless of whether the victim was a Democrat, an independent, or a white supremacist who ironically didn't mind gun violence. Therefore, Razyda must be talking about something else, since they'd surely never make such a simple mistake.
Edit: Perhaps you mean that Charlie Kirk celebrated murder, which is true... but Kirk wasn't a Democrat.
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On October 17 2025 01:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2025 01:17 Introvert wrote:On October 17 2025 00:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 17 2025 00:29 Razyda wrote:
I do agree that democrats only chance is to appeal to centrist. Thing is current iteration of democratic party lost them.
Covid, Hunter laptop, dragging Trump through courts entire election, celebrating murder, idiotic nazi rhetoric. On top of that they keep going, riots, attacks on federal agents (which are, whether you like it or not, officers of the law) and on top of that democrats politicians going out of their way to make said federal agents harder. Add government shutdown to it. "covid" = exacerbated by Republicans through their anti-vax rhetoric and disease denialism "Hunter laptop" = an irrelevant issue that Republicans were hyperfocused on (not Democrats) "dragging Trump through courts" = he committed dozens of felonies and should be held accountable "celebrating murder" = ??? "idiotic nazi rhetoric" = that's the Republicans, not the Democrats "riots" = you mean like January 6th? "attacks on federal agents" = you mean like Portland residents dancing in front of the ICE gestapo? "government shutdown" = Republicans are more to blame for this than Democrats I would take issue with your thoughts on all of those but that last one is just embarrassing subjugation of reason to partisanship. If I hadn't been reading your posts for years I would think it was just dishonesty. Almost all Republicans in both houses voted for the CR, it's just not possible to be mostly their fault. It's not the 2010s anymore, blindly assigning blame to the GOP makes no sense. Idk why this of all things in the last weeks bothers me but it's just obviously *absurd* I guess. Edit: without dems filibustering it, it would have passed. It just can't be the GOPs fault, ppl claiming it is should just lean into it like some dems are instead of this rediculous and embarrassing pretense The Republicans - who have control of all branches of government - decided to shut down the government because they got caught removing healthcare from Americans. Or, as Razyda would put it, they're behaving "like a bunch of spoiled brats".
Did you forget the filibuster or do you need it explained to you? The CR passed the House and got more than GOP senators.
The second half of that sentence is wrong too. The increased subsidies expire at the end of the year, per a law Democrats passed during COVID. It's their expiration date, it isn't happening right now, and it doesn't have anything to do with keeping the government open. Your argument doesn't even follow logically. Somehow them "getting caught" caused them to shut down the govenment???
As an aside this is why I laugh at accusations of "bad faith" by posters here. The people making such an accusation are either acting without the slightest bit of good faith themselves or are so deep into the mire that they can't see the sun anymore.
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On October 17 2025 03:04 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2025 01:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 17 2025 01:17 Introvert wrote:On October 17 2025 00:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 17 2025 00:29 Razyda wrote:
I do agree that democrats only chance is to appeal to centrist. Thing is current iteration of democratic party lost them.
Covid, Hunter laptop, dragging Trump through courts entire election, celebrating murder, idiotic nazi rhetoric. On top of that they keep going, riots, attacks on federal agents (which are, whether you like it or not, officers of the law) and on top of that democrats politicians going out of their way to make said federal agents harder. Add government shutdown to it. "covid" = exacerbated by Republicans through their anti-vax rhetoric and disease denialism "Hunter laptop" = an irrelevant issue that Republicans were hyperfocused on (not Democrats) "dragging Trump through courts" = he committed dozens of felonies and should be held accountable "celebrating murder" = ??? "idiotic nazi rhetoric" = that's the Republicans, not the Democrats "riots" = you mean like January 6th? "attacks on federal agents" = you mean like Portland residents dancing in front of the ICE gestapo? "government shutdown" = Republicans are more to blame for this than Democrats I would take issue with your thoughts on all of those but that last one is just embarrassing subjugation of reason to partisanship. If I hadn't been reading your posts for years I would think it was just dishonesty. Almost all Republicans in both houses voted for the CR, it's just not possible to be mostly their fault. It's not the 2010s anymore, blindly assigning blame to the GOP makes no sense. Idk why this of all things in the last weeks bothers me but it's just obviously *absurd* I guess. Edit: without dems filibustering it, it would have passed. It just can't be the GOPs fault, ppl claiming it is should just lean into it like some dems are instead of this rediculous and embarrassing pretense The Republicans - who have control of all branches of government - decided to shut down the government because they got caught removing healthcare from Americans. Or, as Razyda would put it, they're behaving "like a bunch of spoiled brats". Did you forget the filibuster or do you need it explained to you? The CR passed the House and got more than GOP senators. The second half of that sentence is wrong too. The increased subsidies expire at the end of the year, per a law Democrats passed during COVID. It's their expiration date, it isn't happening right now, and it doesn't have anything to do with keeping the government open. Your argument doesn't even follow logically. Somehow them "getting caught" caused them to shut down the govenment??? As an aside this is why I laugh at accusations of "bad faith" by posters here. The people making such an accusation are either acting without the slightest bit of good faith themselves or are so deep into the mire that they can't see the sun anymore.
Complete long shot but have they tried passing a budget that doesn't result in millions of Americans losing their healthcare?
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On October 17 2025 03:12 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2025 03:04 Introvert wrote:On October 17 2025 01:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 17 2025 01:17 Introvert wrote:On October 17 2025 00:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 17 2025 00:29 Razyda wrote:
I do agree that democrats only chance is to appeal to centrist. Thing is current iteration of democratic party lost them.
Covid, Hunter laptop, dragging Trump through courts entire election, celebrating murder, idiotic nazi rhetoric. On top of that they keep going, riots, attacks on federal agents (which are, whether you like it or not, officers of the law) and on top of that democrats politicians going out of their way to make said federal agents harder. Add government shutdown to it. "covid" = exacerbated by Republicans through their anti-vax rhetoric and disease denialism "Hunter laptop" = an irrelevant issue that Republicans were hyperfocused on (not Democrats) "dragging Trump through courts" = he committed dozens of felonies and should be held accountable "celebrating murder" = ??? "idiotic nazi rhetoric" = that's the Republicans, not the Democrats "riots" = you mean like January 6th? "attacks on federal agents" = you mean like Portland residents dancing in front of the ICE gestapo? "government shutdown" = Republicans are more to blame for this than Democrats I would take issue with your thoughts on all of those but that last one is just embarrassing subjugation of reason to partisanship. If I hadn't been reading your posts for years I would think it was just dishonesty. Almost all Republicans in both houses voted for the CR, it's just not possible to be mostly their fault. It's not the 2010s anymore, blindly assigning blame to the GOP makes no sense. Idk why this of all things in the last weeks bothers me but it's just obviously *absurd* I guess. Edit: without dems filibustering it, it would have passed. It just can't be the GOPs fault, ppl claiming it is should just lean into it like some dems are instead of this rediculous and embarrassing pretense The Republicans - who have control of all branches of government - decided to shut down the government because they got caught removing healthcare from Americans. Or, as Razyda would put it, they're behaving "like a bunch of spoiled brats". Did you forget the filibuster or do you need it explained to you? The CR passed the House and got more than GOP senators. The second half of that sentence is wrong too. The increased subsidies expire at the end of the year, per a law Democrats passed during COVID. It's their expiration date, it isn't happening right now, and it doesn't have anything to do with keeping the government open. Your argument doesn't even follow logically. Somehow them "getting caught" caused them to shut down the govenment??? As an aside this is why I laugh at accusations of "bad faith" by posters here. The people making such an accusation are either acting without the slightest bit of good faith themselves or are so deep into the mire that they can't see the sun anymore. Complete long shot but have they tried passing a budget that doesn't result in millions of Americans losing their healthcare?
The fact that this is the best you can muster means you should probably just bite the bullet and say that "Republicans wanting to make healthcare more expensive for millions is a good reason to shut down the government 3 months before subsidies expire" then try to blame them instead. Indeed, some dems have said that.
But I get the problem, dems have spent years, nay, decades, saying government shutdowns are awful events that cause so much pain for eveyone that it's hard to reconcile that with what they are doing now.
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On October 17 2025 03:19 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2025 03:12 KwarK wrote:On October 17 2025 03:04 Introvert wrote:On October 17 2025 01:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 17 2025 01:17 Introvert wrote:On October 17 2025 00:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 17 2025 00:29 Razyda wrote:
I do agree that democrats only chance is to appeal to centrist. Thing is current iteration of democratic party lost them.
Covid, Hunter laptop, dragging Trump through courts entire election, celebrating murder, idiotic nazi rhetoric. On top of that they keep going, riots, attacks on federal agents (which are, whether you like it or not, officers of the law) and on top of that democrats politicians going out of their way to make said federal agents harder. Add government shutdown to it. "covid" = exacerbated by Republicans through their anti-vax rhetoric and disease denialism "Hunter laptop" = an irrelevant issue that Republicans were hyperfocused on (not Democrats) "dragging Trump through courts" = he committed dozens of felonies and should be held accountable "celebrating murder" = ??? "idiotic nazi rhetoric" = that's the Republicans, not the Democrats "riots" = you mean like January 6th? "attacks on federal agents" = you mean like Portland residents dancing in front of the ICE gestapo? "government shutdown" = Republicans are more to blame for this than Democrats I would take issue with your thoughts on all of those but that last one is just embarrassing subjugation of reason to partisanship. If I hadn't been reading your posts for years I would think it was just dishonesty. Almost all Republicans in both houses voted for the CR, it's just not possible to be mostly their fault. It's not the 2010s anymore, blindly assigning blame to the GOP makes no sense. Idk why this of all things in the last weeks bothers me but it's just obviously *absurd* I guess. Edit: without dems filibustering it, it would have passed. It just can't be the GOPs fault, ppl claiming it is should just lean into it like some dems are instead of this rediculous and embarrassing pretense The Republicans - who have control of all branches of government - decided to shut down the government because they got caught removing healthcare from Americans. Or, as Razyda would put it, they're behaving "like a bunch of spoiled brats". Did you forget the filibuster or do you need it explained to you? The CR passed the House and got more than GOP senators. The second half of that sentence is wrong too. The increased subsidies expire at the end of the year, per a law Democrats passed during COVID. It's their expiration date, it isn't happening right now, and it doesn't have anything to do with keeping the government open. Your argument doesn't even follow logically. Somehow them "getting caught" caused them to shut down the govenment??? As an aside this is why I laugh at accusations of "bad faith" by posters here. The people making such an accusation are either acting without the slightest bit of good faith themselves or are so deep into the mire that they can't see the sun anymore. Complete long shot but have they tried passing a budget that doesn't result in millions of Americans losing their healthcare? The fact that this is the best you can muster means you should probably just bite the bullet and say that "Republicans wanting to make healthcare more expensive for millions is a good reason to shut down the government 3 months before subsidies expire" then try to blame them instead. Indeed, some dems have said that. But I get the problem, dems have spent years, nay, decades, saying government shutdowns are awful events that cause so much pain for eveyone that it's hard to reconcile that with what they are doing now.
But it literally is a good reason.
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On October 17 2025 02:30 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2025 02:19 evilfatsh1t wrote:On October 17 2025 00:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 17 2025 00:29 Razyda wrote:
I do agree that democrats only chance is to appeal to centrist. Thing is current iteration of democratic party lost them.
Covid, Hunter laptop, dragging Trump through courts entire election, celebrating murder, idiotic nazi rhetoric. On top of that they keep going, riots, attacks on federal agents (which are, whether you like it or not, officers of the law) and on top of that democrats politicians going out of their way to make said federal agents harder. Add government shutdown to it. "covid" = exacerbated by Republicans through their anti-vax rhetoric and disease denialism "Hunter laptop" = an irrelevant issue that Republicans were hyperfocused on (not Democrats) "dragging Trump through courts" = he committed dozens of felonies and should be held accountable "celebrating murder" = ??? "idiotic nazi rhetoric" = that's the Republicans, not the Democrats "riots" = you mean like January 6th? "attacks on federal agents" = you mean like Portland residents dancing in front of the ICE gestapo? "government shutdown" = Republicans are more to blame for this than Democrats obviously a charlie kirk reference Not sure about that. I mean yes, Charlie Kirk said that Trayvon Martin hunted the guy who murdered him and yes, Charlie Kirk described George Floyd as a scumbag. But just because he attacks and blames the victims of murder doesn’t mean he celebrates their deaths. He just wants the narrative to be about the choices the victims made and how they don’t deserve sympathy.
think you got it the wrong way.
charlie kirk was murdered. there were many people on the left who celebrated his death. razydas point is democrats = left = celebrated murder.
if im wrong im sure razyda would clarify
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On October 17 2025 03:21 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2025 03:19 Introvert wrote:On October 17 2025 03:12 KwarK wrote:On October 17 2025 03:04 Introvert wrote:On October 17 2025 01:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 17 2025 01:17 Introvert wrote:On October 17 2025 00:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 17 2025 00:29 Razyda wrote:
I do agree that democrats only chance is to appeal to centrist. Thing is current iteration of democratic party lost them.
Covid, Hunter laptop, dragging Trump through courts entire election, celebrating murder, idiotic nazi rhetoric. On top of that they keep going, riots, attacks on federal agents (which are, whether you like it or not, officers of the law) and on top of that democrats politicians going out of their way to make said federal agents harder. Add government shutdown to it. "covid" = exacerbated by Republicans through their anti-vax rhetoric and disease denialism "Hunter laptop" = an irrelevant issue that Republicans were hyperfocused on (not Democrats) "dragging Trump through courts" = he committed dozens of felonies and should be held accountable "celebrating murder" = ??? "idiotic nazi rhetoric" = that's the Republicans, not the Democrats "riots" = you mean like January 6th? "attacks on federal agents" = you mean like Portland residents dancing in front of the ICE gestapo? "government shutdown" = Republicans are more to blame for this than Democrats I would take issue with your thoughts on all of those but that last one is just embarrassing subjugation of reason to partisanship. If I hadn't been reading your posts for years I would think it was just dishonesty. Almost all Republicans in both houses voted for the CR, it's just not possible to be mostly their fault. It's not the 2010s anymore, blindly assigning blame to the GOP makes no sense. Idk why this of all things in the last weeks bothers me but it's just obviously *absurd* I guess. Edit: without dems filibustering it, it would have passed. It just can't be the GOPs fault, ppl claiming it is should just lean into it like some dems are instead of this rediculous and embarrassing pretense The Republicans - who have control of all branches of government - decided to shut down the government because they got caught removing healthcare from Americans. Or, as Razyda would put it, they're behaving "like a bunch of spoiled brats". Did you forget the filibuster or do you need it explained to you? The CR passed the House and got more than GOP senators. The second half of that sentence is wrong too. The increased subsidies expire at the end of the year, per a law Democrats passed during COVID. It's their expiration date, it isn't happening right now, and it doesn't have anything to do with keeping the government open. Your argument doesn't even follow logically. Somehow them "getting caught" caused them to shut down the govenment??? As an aside this is why I laugh at accusations of "bad faith" by posters here. The people making such an accusation are either acting without the slightest bit of good faith themselves or are so deep into the mire that they can't see the sun anymore. Complete long shot but have they tried passing a budget that doesn't result in millions of Americans losing their healthcare? The fact that this is the best you can muster means you should probably just bite the bullet and say that "Republicans wanting to make healthcare more expensive for millions is a good reason to shut down the government 3 months before subsidies expire" then try to blame them instead. Indeed, some dems have said that. But I get the problem, dems have spent years, nay, decades, saying government shutdowns are awful events that cause so much pain for eveyone that it's hard to reconcile that with what they are doing now. But it literally is a good reason.
Ok? Then maybe we can both agree that the statement "Republicans shut down the government" is false?
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alternatively Republicans with their _huge mandate_ could pass something akin to Trump's "concept of a plan" to fix the system.
somehow I am not sure that bullying 2-3 pharmaceutical companies at a time, mainly to get them in on another grift. and CUTTING SS/Medicare/Medicaid to the tune of 800+billion dollars won't fix health care.
how is that for an idea instead of defaulting to a blame game everyone is sick of. incidentally also not great for people who care about their health and follow all this ludicrous shit.
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