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On June 17 2025 23:32 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2025 22:21 Billyboy wrote:I do not think it is wise at this point to believe eithers intel at face value. Sad truth is we will never know and no matter what they said we rightfully wouldn't believe. Not only because it was Tulsi but mainly because of Iraq. It should tell you something about Israel that I'm more likely to believe the US intelligence community.
I mean, I think it is just a case of you are like all the rest of us who believe information that confirms what we already think easier than information that contradicts what we already think. That does not mean I think you are wrong, just that it to me it is just as plausible that the US intelligence was agreeing with Trump when he was being the president of peace incorrectly or is now agreeing with incorrectly. Hell it is even possible that Iran made some break through in between (though I would guess less likely then lying in one direction or the other.) What I do think is true is that any intelligence we hear as plebs is marketing and just partial truths to fill a narrative. Even if the people in charge were "good" I don't think it would be a benefit to release completely accurate and in depth intelligence because it would give to much information to the "other side".
We sure live in a crazy time though. This attack could plausibly be because Iran is really close to nuke. It could be because Netanyahu is close to losing power. It could be because the US was holding Israel back and now Trump needs a distraction with all his domestic policy failing. It could have always been Israel's plan since Oct 7th with now just being when Mossad finally had everything set up and the proxies weakened enough to not help. Or some combination of those, or something completely different. In todays world with man child running the US who changes his mind based on whoever he last talked to or what he watched on TV, literally anything is possible.
One thing that does sit in my mind any time we talk about Iran getting nukes is NK. For decades they were working on it and getting close but the US and west were never going to let it happen, that was the red line and if they were too close the military was going to step in. Then suddenly one day they just had it. I have no idea if the US and west were surprised, or knew how close they were and chose not act, but whatever the case was I'm sure that for those with brains that are involved that is playing a major role in the current decision making.
I'll also be interested when other countries start making announcements, is this like Iraq where others are saying no we don't see what you see (and were right). Or are they going to say this is what they are seeing.
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On June 18 2025 01:22 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2025 22:56 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:It's also not lost on me that a few sentences later, Mike Huckabee is telling Trump that God will divinely inspire Trump. “Go with your gut and it’s probably not your gut but god’s literal will” Sucks for all the CIA analysts who have spent a lifetime building the expertise so that they can advise the president in this exact scenario. There should be one voice in the room and it’s the one that nobody but Trump can hear.
It's extremely scary, especially when Huckabee is referencing scenarios as serious as dropping atomic bombs.
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On June 18 2025 02:03 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2025 01:22 KwarK wrote:On June 17 2025 22:56 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:It's also not lost on me that a few sentences later, Mike Huckabee is telling Trump that God will divinely inspire Trump. “Go with your gut and it’s probably not your gut but god’s literal will” Sucks for all the CIA analysts who have spent a lifetime building the expertise so that they can advise the president in this exact scenario. There should be one voice in the room and it’s the one that nobody but Trump can hear. It's extremely scary, especially when Huckabee is referencing scenarios as serious as dropping atomic bombs.
I don't think that is remotely realistic (or maybe hope) but I do think that the reports of the US considering Israel's request to join the war with at least the bunker busting bomb for Iran's nuclear facility over Starmer claiming no indication Trump intends to get involved in the Iran conflict.
Makes you wonder if the UK and Germany got different info from the US or are interpreting it differently. You would think these guys would at least get on the same page for what they release to the public.
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On June 18 2025 01:22 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2025 22:56 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:It's also not lost on me that a few sentences later, Mike Huckabee is telling Trump that God will divinely inspire Trump. “Go with your gut and it’s probably not your gut but god’s literal will” Sucks for all the CIA analysts who have spent a lifetime building the expertise so that they can advise the president in this exact scenario. There should be one voice in the room and it’s the one that nobody but Trump can hear.
last time some Republican was inspired by god it led to the war on terror and both parties - in particular Republicans though - taking a dump on the constitution with the patriot act.
I wonder what great things are in store now... and if there will be a constitution left afterwards. starting a war is quite the cover for enacting martial law.
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LEO have to show you a warrant to enter/search/do arrests in your home.
They do not have to show warrants to random people who attach themselves to other people they're arresting in public, no matter if they wear a suit or not or think the world revolves around them or not. And especially this guy needs better legal advice because he fell for the "judicial warrant" meme which ICE don't need, and even if they did need still wouldn't be obligated to show to random impeding people.
By the video it seems the guy in light jeans was ICE's target and after separating the two they detained or arrested Brad Lander, who has a history of other arrests like blocking streets, so you know this is pure stunt to raise his electoral clout, because he locked arms with the person they were arresting so their two bodies were getting dragged together as one. Imagine having an NYPD escort assigned to you as a mayoral candidate and still pulling this stunt, and then feigning after "all I did was ask to see a warrant." Millions of Americans manage to not get arrested every day by not physically obstructing LEO by attaching their bodies to the body of someone LEO is taking into custody.
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Lander was clearly not obstructing them in any way, but thanks for wasting our time with that nonsense.
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With Trump's "Unconditional Surrender" bit seems reasonable to ask:
Poll: Should the US use the B2+Bunker Buster to bomb Iran's nuke programNo (12) 57% Yes (9) 43% 21 total votes You must be logged in to vote in this poll. ☐ Yes
☐ No
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On June 18 2025 04:40 LightSpectra wrote:
Lander was clearly not obstructing them in any way, but thanks for wasting our time with that nonsense.
Obstruction statutes are quite broad. You could be charged with obstruction simply for getting too close to an officer and creating a distraction for them from doing their job. If you think getting between and locking arms with someone they are trying to arrest doesn't constitute obstruction you're severely misinformed. This is one of those things that's such common knowledge I normally wouldn't even try to find a source for this but here's one anyway
Courts may believe that you’re interfering with a police officer’s duties if you:
Speak with witnesses or suspects
Physically restrain the officer
Put yourself between the officer and the suspect
Disturb evidence or the scene of the police encounter
If you interfere with a police officer’s official duties, you may face criminal charges for disorderly conduct, obstruction, or other similar crimes.
It's one thing if you want to make a moral argument where "when injustice becomes law you have a duty to obstruct" but it's another to just live by your own set of facts and insist that physically preventing LEO from arresting someone is not interfering with them.
Seeing another politician get arrested really makes me feel bad for Gavin Newsom that he didn't get his wet dream fulfilled of being arrested so he could boost his clout for 2028
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Cool, so Lander was clearly not obstructing anyone and this was a further waste of time.
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No offense but if wasting time was such a concern for you, why are you here? That’s all we’re doing here.
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Northern Ireland25468 Posts
On June 18 2025 06:20 LightSpectra wrote:
Cool, so Lander was clearly not obstructing anyone and this was a further waste of time.
I think next time you’re best finding a story that an elementary schooler found a book that told you how to give a blowjob in their school library and that’ll get Blackjack’s juices going.
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On June 18 2025 06:52 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2025 06:20 LightSpectra wrote:
Cool, so Lander was clearly not obstructing anyone and this was a further waste of time. I think next time you’re best finding a story that an elementary schooler found a book that told you how to give a blowjob in their school library and that’ll get Blackjack’s juices going.
They don’t call me BJ for nothing
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Northern Ireland25468 Posts
On June 18 2025 07:03 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2025 06:52 WombaT wrote:On June 18 2025 06:20 LightSpectra wrote:
Cool, so Lander was clearly not obstructing anyone and this was a further waste of time. I think next time you’re best finding a story that an elementary schooler found a book that told you how to give a blowjob in their school library and that’ll get Blackjack’s juices going. They don’t call me BJ for nothing
Walked into that one haha
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Northern Ireland25468 Posts
Hm…
He says: "We know exactly where the so-called 'Supreme Leader' is hiding.
"He is an easy target, but is safe there - We are not going to take him out (kill!), at least not for now.
"But we don’t want missiles shot at civilians, or American soldiers. Our patience is wearing thin. Thank you for your attention to this matter!"
The way he communicates, publicly is still wild to me. Oh well.
Who are the ‘we’ here and what are the conditions for not killing the lad?
It feels like Trump is flailing absolutely hardcore on this one. Caught between ‘I love Israel’ and ‘please give me that Nobel Peace Prize’ and a segment of his base who seem to actually value both his claims to not get America embroiled in further conflicts and his actual ability to negotiate.
If nothing else, I’ve shifted from a ‘of course Israel had approval from the US’ to thinking the opposite seems more likely.
He’d still be talking bollocks, it’s kind of his thing. But I think you’d see a much more thematically consistent response, even if the specifics are a mess, if this was something pre-agreed and not just dumped on his lap.
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United States42778 Posts
Consider how Netanyahu treated Trump last time when he simply dictated US policy to him and Trump emerged from the private meeting with the announcement that they’d annexed Gaza. And then Trump did nothing. If Netanyahu has zero respect for Trump then that’s likely still too generous. The man has zero convictions, zero beliefs of his own, and zero follow through. You can just do whatever the fuck you want and he’ll go along with it. The only reason you can’t get him to do whatever the fuck you want is that he’s so weak that the moment you leave the room the next guy in line has taken over dominating him.
Netanyahu wouldn’t have asked for or needed Trump’s approval. If he wants anything from Trump later he’ll just take it.
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On June 18 2025 08:10 KwarK wrote:
Consider how Netanyahu treated Trump last time when he simply dictated US policy to him and Trump emerged from the private meeting with the announcement that they’d annexed Gaza. And then Trump did nothing. If Netanyahu has zero respect for Trump then that’s likely still too generous. The man has zero convictions, zero beliefs of his own, and zero follow through. You can just do whatever the fuck you want and he’ll go along with it. The only reason you can’t get him to do whatever the fuck you want is that he’s so weak that the moment you leave the room the next guy in line has taken over dominating him.
Netanyahu wouldn’t have asked for or needed Trump’s approval. If he wants anything from Trump later he’ll just take it.
Reminds me of a quote from the Expanse about their weak President
"If the last person he spoke to was the janitor, he'd be passionately declaiming about a fucking mop"
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Northern Ireland25468 Posts
On June 18 2025 08:10 KwarK wrote:
Consider how Netanyahu treated Trump last time when he simply dictated US policy to him and Trump emerged from the private meeting with the announcement that they’d annexed Gaza. And then Trump did nothing. If Netanyahu has zero respect for Trump then that’s likely still too generous. The man has zero convictions, zero beliefs of his own, and zero follow through. You can just do whatever the fuck you want and he’ll go along with it. The only reason you can’t get him to do whatever the fuck you want is that he’s so weak that the moment you leave the room the next guy in line has taken over dominating him.
Netanyahu wouldn’t have asked for or needed Trump’s approval. If he wants anything from Trump later he’ll just take it.
A rare point of commonality between me and Netanyahu…
Yeah but have you read the Art of the Deal? He makes the biggest, best deals around!
If someone has a counter example I’d be interested to hear it. I can’t really recall him ever getting a favourable trade in his tenure as President when he actually had to negotiate anything from anything but an overwhelmingly strong position. Maybe there’s some legit triumph I’m forgetting about.
He’s like a guy who’s convinced he’s a great poker player but the house deal him a royal flush every game. The casino starts dealing regularly again and he’s fucking useless.
Of course none of this seemingly actually matters to most US conservatives so it’s all a moot exercise in futility.
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On June 18 2025 08:10 KwarK wrote:
Consider how Netanyahu treated Trump last time when he simply dictated US policy to him and Trump emerged from the private meeting with the announcement that they’d annexed Gaza. And then Trump did nothing. If Netanyahu has zero respect for Trump then that’s likely still too generous. The man has zero convictions, zero beliefs of his own, and zero follow through. You can just do whatever the fuck you want and he’ll go along with it. The only reason you can’t get him to do whatever the fuck you want is that he’s so weak that the moment you leave the room the next guy in line has taken over dominating him.
Netanyahu wouldn’t have asked for or needed Trump’s approval. If he wants anything from Trump later he’ll just take it.
We shall see how much pull he has shortly as he has openly asked for US to bomb the underground facilities and for the US to join the war, which goes completely against Trumps campaigning. For the record I'm betting you are right and he does.
In more important news though, I want my internet points back plus interest. Yeehaw!!
free rein: The freedom to do say or feel what you want.
And AI says: "Free rein" and "free reign" are often confused, but "free rein" is the correct term. It means unrestricted liberty of action or decision, originating from the practice of loosely holding a horse's reins to allow it freedom of movement. "Free reign," while sometimes used, is a misinterpretation stemming from the misunderstanding that "rein" is related to royal "reign".
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United States42778 Posts
Yes, free rein is the correct term. That’s what I told you when you used free reign.
On June 16 2025 08:16 Billyboy wrote:
Mossad has shown they have free reign inside of Iran
On June 14 2025 22:43 Billyboy wrote:
It is like they have free reign inside Iran.
But then I think maybe I corrected it in the post that I quoted to correct because in my quote of your post it's spelled rein but in the original, which doesn't appear to be edited, it's reign? I don't know what is going on.
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