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On February 23 2025 00:59 Sermokala wrote:
Trying to compare the 1814 congressional (not presidential) election and the civil war when the north was winning across the board to the Russian invasion of Ukraine is really werid. Do not listen to Trump they did not have airports back then nor did they have missiles they could accuratly fire into people waiting at polling stations. Trying to preempt people doing bad things and justifying you doing something "because it might happen" is delusional. They have a very clear constitution to follow, thats how democracies work. I know going against the constitution when it doesn't suit you is very on brand for republicans but thats not how being pro-democracy works.
"Polling stations." We grant mass gatherings are dangerous and targets. Does Ukraine have a post office or not?
If a US president suspended elections and banned opposition parties even if it were hypothetically constitutional, I would hope every European poster in this thread would rightfully have an aneurysm. You are fundamentally not using the right words if you're saying banning elections and opposition parties is just how democracy works. That's specifically not how democracy works. At all. It would be like people posting in the 1860s that Lincoln suspending habeas corpus is "just how due process and civil liberties works." What you're trying to refer to is a situation so extreme that the continuation of a state itself is in such jeopardy that it supersedes democracy.
I'm saying it's been 3 years. Okay. Either there is a line or there isn't. If there is a line, tell me where it is. Is it 5 years? is it 10 years of no progress? When is the point where American citizens are allowed to reevaluate an unconditional all-in foreign policy?
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United States24690 Posts
I just pretend oBlade is role-playing the counter-argument to everything to offer how the "other side" would respond to these things. If you consider it a service rather than an actual bona-fide philosophy, then it's less painful.
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On February 23 2025 01:28 micronesia wrote:
I just pretend oBlade is role-playing the counter-argument to everything to offer how the "other side" would respond to these things. If you consider it a service rather than an actual bona-fide philosophy, then it's less painful.
Is there a premium version where he also gets kinki over images of Musk and Elon?
Asking for a friend.
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On February 23 2025 01:28 micronesia wrote:
I just pretend oBlade is role-playing the counter-argument to everything to offer how the "other side" would respond to these things. If you consider it a service rather than an actual bona-fide philosophy, then it's less painful. These last couple of pages, especially the space station talk, do very well in highlighting why trying to argue with cultists is a complete lost cause. It doesn't matter how sane or well structured your arguments are because they will be dismissed for their mental fairytale.
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On February 23 2025 02:04 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2025 01:28 micronesia wrote:
I just pretend oBlade is role-playing the counter-argument to everything to offer how the "other side" would respond to these things. If you consider it a service rather than an actual bona-fide philosophy, then it's less painful. These last couple of pages, especially the space station talk, do very well in highlighting why trying to argue with cultists is a complete lost cause. It doesn't matter how sane or well structured your arguments are because they will be dismissed for their mental fairytale.
It reminds me about arguing about religion. If the base premise is that the religion is right, and everything else has to fall in line with that premise, there is no fruitful discussion to be had. Even contradictions and logical flaws are irrelevant.
I read up on this at some point, and this happens when a certain stance moves from being an opinion to becoming part of your personality and identity.
We all have these traits to some degree, but I like to belive that I am able to change even fundamental belifs when faced with counter arguments which are sufficiently convincing.
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On February 22 2025 08:31 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2025 08:22 GreenHorizons wrote:On February 22 2025 08:02 Sermokala wrote:On February 22 2025 05:58 Sadist wrote:On February 22 2025 05:25 Sermokala wrote:On February 21 2025 23:53 Sadist wrote:
I dont think hes going to make it to the end of his term if he keeps up with all this stuff. These policies are going to be wildly unpopular amongst his constituents if they start being realized. I can see people (Republicans and Democrats) demanding republican members of congress and the senate do something. Be it town halls or whatever. He and Elon are going to do damage to our country that will take decades to fix. Alliances,supply chains, etc. You make the mistake that facts and logic mean anything to these people. They were told very clearly what was going to happen and they did not care. They are being told what is happening right now and they do not care to listen to facts and logic. The CBOL labeling thing is a simple explanation but the simple act of explaining something to them that contradicts what musk says is taken as a personal attack that they need to retaliate for. When things go wrong they will blame biden and democrats. His base will believe it and will refuse to see whats right in front of their face. I think they didnt believe these things would happen. If they actually happen and impact them they will change their tune. You see it all the time with the leopards eating faces stuff. And then when it comes back time for elections these are the people who are swayed by the GHs of the world who convince them that voteing dem is actually a bad thing. They are presented with someone willing to treat them like a mature adult and someone who treats them like children who don't need to think for themselves. I don't believe that these people seriously don't think these things will matter. You see with gh even now trying to convince other people to do things that he refuses to do. The people who do so little research that they don't know that slavery is on the ballot for the election shouldn't be trusted for any political take. LibHorizons: I understand your problems with Greenhorizons, but you all have me here now. With that in mind, I think it'd be useful to take this opportunity to talk about what us libs/Dems/ilk are doing/going to do Be a shame to waste this opportunity and our limited time to fixate on old grievances (or bicker with oBlade) imo. You aren't cosplaying a liberal well enough if you don't bicker with oBlade for at least 3 pages.
LibHorizons: I thought this was a joke, but honestly, I'm not so sure.
Given the opportunity to discuss socialism with GH (a long standing request), and/or what we and our Democratic representatives can, will, and are doing to fight the rising tide of fascism with LibHorizons, or pointlessly bicker oBlade/etc over the most asinine thing some bad faith right-winger can distract everyone with, they are still incessantly choosing to bicker. It's a waste of time, and that's the entire reason the right-wingers bait them in the first place. They fall for it every time.
I don't think being a liberal obligates me to that same behavior, but the posting from my fellow liberals here is indicative of otherwise. There's got to be a couple of us liberals that don't consistently fall for this right?
Or should I tell oBlade about egg prices?
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Once more, I remained baffled about why anyone gives the debate lord conservative types their attention.
It’s like the worst type of conservative because there are no real beliefs or values or thoughts about the world beyond raw contrarianism.
I can’t remember if anyone answered this last time, but what the fuck are you people getting from this? Are you learning something I’m not seeing here
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Every time you talk about me instead of addressing a subject, Trump issues another executive order.
Egg prices are high because supply is low. When supply decreases and demand is the same, the supply and demand curves intersect at a higher price. Supply is low because of bird flu outbreaks which have had both birds dying and USDA culling millions of hens since the lame duck period of the Biden administration. Some of that is related to factory farming practices in the US, others is randomness, which is why most countries now are still enjoying normal egg prices, not because of the particular egg policy of this administration or their unwillingness to have a socialized program to conjure tens of millions of uninfected egglaying birds into existence. As far as I know.
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United States42786 Posts
Pretty sure egg prices are high because of DEI.
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On February 23 2025 03:17 KwarK wrote:
Pretty sure egg prices are high because of DEI.
Don't worry, if everyone fires enough black people they will come right back down again.
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Not only DEI, but bad Biden policy. Sleepy Joe snored at the wheel and let inflation run rampant, causing egg prices to soar to unseen heights. Also, don't forget Biden's policies are taking time to resolve and probably won't be solved under Trump because it is so so bad. It's so bad like you wouldn't believe. God king emperor Trump will probably need a third and fourth and maybe a fifth term to do that. It's that bad.
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On February 23 2025 03:17 KwarK wrote:
Pretty sure egg prices are high because of DEI.
LibHorizons: MAGAHorizons: Lies! It's the feminist chickens demanding unreasonable bureaucratic fees. I know this because I read it on a bathroom stall.
On February 23 2025 02:51 Zambrah wrote:
Once more, I remained baffled about why anyone gives the debate lord conservative types their attention.
It’s like the worst type of conservative because there are no real beliefs or values or thoughts about the world beyond raw contrarianism.
I can’t remember if anyone answered this last time, but what the fuck are you people getting from this? Are you learning something I’m not seeing here
LibHorizons: Having tried it, it's gotta be the smugness and feeling of superiority. There's nothing else to it.
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I wish I had the ability to so easily feel smug and superior, my interactions with debatelord conservatives have only been irritating at best.
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On February 23 2025 05:56 Zambrah wrote:
I wish I had the ability to so easily feel smug and superior, my interactions with debatelord conservatives have only been irritating at best.
I'm enjoying mocking the ridiculousness of it.
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United States24690 Posts
Check out this brilliant tweet from Elon:
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1893386883444437415
Consistent with President @realDonaldTrump’s instructions, all federal employees will shortly receive an email requesting to understand what they got done last week.
Failure to respond will be taken as a resignation.
Yeah, I don't think you can force people to resign for refusing to urgently respond to a ludicrous e-mail (if you even have access to your e-mail to begin with). This is the type of bullshit federal organizations have been grappling with instead of focusing on their actual mission to support Americans.
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On February 23 2025 06:52 micronesia wrote:Check out this brilliant tweet from Elon: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1893386883444437415Show nested quote +Consistent with President @realDonaldTrump’s instructions, all federal employees will shortly receive an email requesting to understand what they got done last week.
Failure to respond will be taken as a resignation. Yeah, I don't think you can force people to resign for refusing to urgently respond to a ludicrous e-mail (if you even have access to your e-mail to begin with). This is the type of bullshit federal organizations have been grappling with instead of focusing on their actual mission to support Americans.
"Nothing because you and your brown shirted gooners have properly fucked up every system and administrative machination that we use to do our jobs. We are now in the process of undoing your fuckups and trying to do our actual job without your fucking input and screwups."
Or something along those lines.
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On February 23 2025 05:59 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2025 05:56 Zambrah wrote:
I wish I had the ability to so easily feel smug and superior, my interactions with debatelord conservatives have only been irritating at best. I'm enjoying mocking the ridiculousness of it.
Maybe it’s just that I’m American and its happening very intensely here, but I mostly find it dismaying at how ridiculous and intense the mental gymnastics are to defend fascism, like I’m seeing brown shirts, always reminds me that thanks to capitalism I’m gonna have to be a generation that has to put down the Nazis like a rabid dog lol
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On February 23 2025 05:56 Zambrah wrote:
I wish I had the ability to so easily feel smug and superior, my interactions with debatelord conservatives have only been irritating at best.
Have you tried being me?
Joking aside, I’d rather have my teeth being pulled most of the time, although if I was a fish I imagine I wouldn’t last long given a pathological inability to avoid biting.
Way I look at it, it’s not really for either of our benefits, it’s for pushing back on the high/low chance someone else comes along and goes ‘oh hey X is making a good point, nobody has any response’ or whatever.
Look I gotta say teen WombaT did not envisage having to engage on such seemingly settled, or ridiculous new territory 20 years later, and for the most part does not enjoy the process. Hence why as Ifrequently say I basically only chat politics etc on TL. As much as general toxicity sucks I gotta say it’s debate lords and perpetual devil’s advocates who broke me there.
I’m certainly not alone in this world in occasionally enjoying a bit of smug time, but I kinda gotta do something worth getting smug about. Throwing down a bet on Pavel Nedved winning European Footballer of the Year like 8 months out, I enjoy basking in such things for a period.
Rambling aside, I think it’s something that’s just gotta be done, unfortunately. There’s not really a huge downside provided you’re not an absolute cretin in how you do so. Best (and almost unicorn) scenario you flip someone around, middle outcome you might convince someone lurking and reading, worst you do nothing but can be a bit smug temporarily.
Like yeah if it’s all you spend your time doing then you’ve got a problem!
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On February 23 2025 07:00 Zambrah wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2025 05:59 Jockmcplop wrote:On February 23 2025 05:56 Zambrah wrote:
I wish I had the ability to so easily feel smug and superior, my interactions with debatelord conservatives have only been irritating at best. I'm enjoying mocking the ridiculousness of it. Maybe it’s just that I’m American and its happening very intensely here, but I mostly find it dismaying at how ridiculous and intense the mental gymnastics are to defend fascism, like I’m seeing brown shirts, always reminds me that thanks to capitalism I’m gonna have to be a generation that has to put down the Nazis like a rabid dog lol You have more faith then me in Nazi's being put down rather then them just being allowed to walk all over everything/one and destroying America along the way.
Nothing from the last few generations has shown me that they will fight (and yes that includes me)
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On February 23 2025 01:43 Velr wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2025 01:28 micronesia wrote:
I just pretend oBlade is role-playing the counter-argument to everything to offer how the "other side" would respond to these things. If you consider it a service rather than an actual bona-fide philosophy, then it's less painful. Is there a premium version where he also gets kinki over images of Musk and Elon? Asking for a friend.
He would have to pay for the blue tick mark and be a Musk reply guy. If he worked as hard as professional peasant Ian Miles Cheon, Musk might trickle some slop down from the top of his throne.
Unfortunately he doesn’t get the true special IVF package because I presume he is a man. Then he would get to also get the deadbeat dad experience too.
He’s such a loser, at least xDaunt wore his fascist badge proudly.
On February 23 2025 06:52 micronesia wrote:Check out this brilliant tweet from Elon: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1893386883444437415Show nested quote +Consistent with President @realDonaldTrump’s instructions, all federal employees will shortly receive an email requesting to understand what they got done last week.
Failure to respond will be taken as a resignation. Yeah, I don't think you can force people to resign for refusing to urgently respond to a ludicrous e-mail (if you even have access to your e-mail to begin with). This is the type of bullshit federal organizations have been grappling with instead of focusing on their actual mission to support Americans.
He did the same thing at Twitter where he made people print out the amount of code they rewrote in the working week. Which is pants on head stupid and got him into financial hot water when he fired Haraldur Thorleifsson without knowing who he was and his employment contract.
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