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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22425 Posts
October 21 2024 09:14 GMT
#89121
Right, so a Dutch newspaper actually bothered to mention the contents of the petition, and I get why America media doesn't. Because that makes the entire controversy a non-issue. Its a petition to support the 1st and 2nd amendment. Nothing even remotely tied to paying people to vote a certain way or register to vote.

Its just a data harvesting operation, with a monetary incentive to get more people to participate. I assume to then later get bombarded with 'vote Trump' emails.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
MJG
Profile Joined May 2018
United Kingdom1451 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-10-21 09:31:29
October 21 2024 09:28 GMT
#89122
On October 21 2024 18:14 Gorsameth wrote:
Right, so a Dutch newspaper actually bothered to mention the contents of the petition, and I get why America media doesn't. Because that makes the entire controversy a non-issue. Its a petition to support the 1st and 2nd amendment. Nothing even remotely tied to paying people to vote a certain way or register to vote.

Its just a data harvesting operation, with a monetary incentive to get more people to participate. I assume to then later get bombarded with 'vote Trump' emails.

It's not that the contents of the petition are sketchy - they're also mentioned in the BBC article - it's that you have to be registered to vote in order to get paid sign the petition, which may induce people to register to vote purely so that they can get paid sign the petition.

The degree of separation that the petition provides will be keeping Musk safe from punishment because it would be very difficult to prove that there are people who are registering to vote purely so that they can get paid. But that will definitely be something that's happening, Musk is a (supposedly) smart man and he knows what he's doing.
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28817 Posts
October 21 2024 09:37 GMT
#89123
Normally I would indeed assume that a multibillionaire has cleared this kind of stuff with his legal department before throwing it out but in the case of Elon who the fuck knows.
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KT_Elwood
Profile Joined July 2015
Germany1156 Posts
October 21 2024 09:56 GMT
#89124
He is rich/powerful enough so he doesn't have to care (wow seems familiar!)

He can still jump on a plane and fuck off to South Africa.
"First he eats our dogs, and then he taxes the penguins... Donald Trump truly is the Donald Trump of our generation. " -DPB
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4478 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-10-21 10:58:05
October 21 2024 10:57 GMT
#89125
The way I see it, I don't really make a distinction between legal (Super PAC) and illegal (buying votes). It's both effectively the same, because the former should be illegal for being an anti-democratic practice.
So if Elon Musk pays people during a voting process, chances are it's something that should be illegal.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46083 Posts
October 21 2024 19:11 GMT
#89126
Here's a nice synopsis of how Trump and the Republicans certainly are not the party of law and order, and how another Trump term poses an existential threat to our society, freedom of speech, and the right to fair elections.

"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium5183 Posts
October 21 2024 22:48 GMT
#89127
The existential threat is there, no matter who wins though. Trump is just a symptom. He's the voice channeling all the conspiratorial, schizo, out of touch, disenfranchised people. How do you turn the tide?
At the same time: why are these people like this? HOW did this happen? It's time for some really serious root cause analysis, because just brushing it off as "tsk, just impressionable, gullible, stupid, insane people" isn't going to cut it for the third election in a row. There are people thinking the hurricane was manmade to steal lithium. I don't understand reality any more.

We need something better than "they're too far gone". I'm actually starting to feel quite anxious for you guys, no matter the outcome. Let's just hope everything stays more or less calm at the turn of the year.
Taxes are for Terrans
DOgMeAt
Profile Joined August 2005
Czech Republic142 Posts
October 22 2024 01:50 GMT
#89128
On October 22 2024 07:48 Uldridge wrote:
The existential threat is there, no matter who wins though. Trump is just a symptom. He's the voice channeling all the conspiratorial, schizo, out of touch, disenfranchised people. How do you turn the tide?
At the same time: why are these people like this? HOW did this happen? It's time for some really serious root cause analysis, because just brushing it off as "tsk, just impressionable, gullible, stupid, insane people" isn't going to cut it for the third election in a row. There are people thinking the hurricane was manmade to steal lithium. I don't understand reality any more.

We need something better than "they're too far gone". I'm actually starting to feel quite anxious for you guys, no matter the outcome. Let's just hope everything stays more or less calm at the turn of the year.

so >50% are "just impressionable, gullible, stupid, schizo, out of touch, disenfranchised, insane people" and ppl believing men can be women are the voice of reason? are you sure?

skinner.jpg

Ban Baal
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46083 Posts
October 22 2024 02:00 GMT
#89129
On October 22 2024 10:50 DOgMeAt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2024 07:48 Uldridge wrote:
The existential threat is there, no matter who wins though. Trump is just a symptom. He's the voice channeling all the conspiratorial, schizo, out of touch, disenfranchised people. How do you turn the tide?
At the same time: why are these people like this? HOW did this happen? It's time for some really serious root cause analysis, because just brushing it off as "tsk, just impressionable, gullible, stupid, insane people" isn't going to cut it for the third election in a row. There are people thinking the hurricane was manmade to steal lithium. I don't understand reality any more.

We need something better than "they're too far gone". I'm actually starting to feel quite anxious for you guys, no matter the outcome. Let's just hope everything stays more or less calm at the turn of the year.

so >50% are "just impressionable, gullible, stupid, schizo, out of touch, disenfranchised, insane people" and ppl believing men can be women are the voice of reason? are you sure?

skinner.jpg


I'm not sure if you're trolling or if this is ironically sincere, but please try to be more mindful.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
DOgMeAt
Profile Joined August 2005
Czech Republic142 Posts
October 22 2024 02:09 GMT
#89130
mindful of what? It's democrats who are out of touch. eg tampon tim
Ban Baal
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24779 Posts
October 22 2024 02:10 GMT
#89131
On October 22 2024 10:50 DOgMeAt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2024 07:48 Uldridge wrote:
The existential threat is there, no matter who wins though. Trump is just a symptom. He's the voice channeling all the conspiratorial, schizo, out of touch, disenfranchised people. How do you turn the tide?
At the same time: why are these people like this? HOW did this happen? It's time for some really serious root cause analysis, because just brushing it off as "tsk, just impressionable, gullible, stupid, insane people" isn't going to cut it for the third election in a row. There are people thinking the hurricane was manmade to steal lithium. I don't understand reality any more.

We need something better than "they're too far gone". I'm actually starting to feel quite anxious for you guys, no matter the outcome. Let's just hope everything stays more or less calm at the turn of the year.

so >50% are "just impressionable, gullible, stupid, schizo, out of touch, disenfranchised, insane people"

That wasn't quite the claim. Your attempt to simplify/combine it all turned it into a strawman.

and ppl believing men can be women are the voice of reason? are you sure?
I'm not sure what point you are trying to make or why you are bringing it up but your motivation can't be anything good.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
DOgMeAt
Profile Joined August 2005
Czech Republic142 Posts
October 22 2024 02:19 GMT
#89132
On October 22 2024 11:10 micronesia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2024 10:50 DOgMeAt wrote:
On October 22 2024 07:48 Uldridge wrote:
The existential threat is there, no matter who wins though. Trump is just a symptom. He's the voice channeling all the conspiratorial, schizo, out of touch, disenfranchised people. How do you turn the tide?
At the same time: why are these people like this? HOW did this happen? It's time for some really serious root cause analysis, because just brushing it off as "tsk, just impressionable, gullible, stupid, insane people" isn't going to cut it for the third election in a row. There are people thinking the hurricane was manmade to steal lithium. I don't understand reality any more.

We need something better than "they're too far gone". I'm actually starting to feel quite anxious for you guys, no matter the outcome. Let's just hope everything stays more or less calm at the turn of the year.

so >50% are "just impressionable, gullible, stupid, schizo, out of touch, disenfranchised, insane people"

That wasn't quite the claim. Your attempt to simplify/combine it all turned it into a strawman.

Show nested quote +
and ppl believing men can be women are the voice of reason? are you sure?
I'm not sure what point you are trying to make or why you are bringing it up but your motivation can't be anything good.

and what was the point of his claim? I could write "democrats are schizo, out of touch, gullible, stupid socialists, who believe every nonsense like men can be women" thats just his opinion insulting maybe 50%+ of population, coz trump might win popular vote
Ban Baal
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
October 22 2024 02:24 GMT
#89133
Bill Maher has a theory that Republicans love the crazy politicians even more because it sends it even stronger signal to the left that "literally anything is better than what you're offering."

DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46083 Posts
October 22 2024 02:37 GMT
#89134
On October 22 2024 11:24 BlackJack wrote:
Bill Maher has a theory that Republicans love the crazy politicians even more because it sends it even stronger signal to the left that "literally anything is better than what you're offering."

https://youtu.be/vo8t86Fi2JQ?t=371


If that theory is correct, then it proves that Republicans are indeed delusional and out of touch, because those Republican politicians aren't better for our country or our people. Republicans are just plain wrong, if that theory is correct. I don’t know if that theory is correct or not, and I have no idea if some Republicans are trolling with purposely terrible leaders just to stick it to the libs, but they'd be hurting themselves too.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46083 Posts
October 22 2024 02:48 GMT
#89135
On October 22 2024 11:19 DOgMeAt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2024 11:10 micronesia wrote:
On October 22 2024 10:50 DOgMeAt wrote:
On October 22 2024 07:48 Uldridge wrote:
The existential threat is there, no matter who wins though. Trump is just a symptom. He's the voice channeling all the conspiratorial, schizo, out of touch, disenfranchised people. How do you turn the tide?
At the same time: why are these people like this? HOW did this happen? It's time for some really serious root cause analysis, because just brushing it off as "tsk, just impressionable, gullible, stupid, insane people" isn't going to cut it for the third election in a row. There are people thinking the hurricane was manmade to steal lithium. I don't understand reality any more.

We need something better than "they're too far gone". I'm actually starting to feel quite anxious for you guys, no matter the outcome. Let's just hope everything stays more or less calm at the turn of the year.

so >50% are "just impressionable, gullible, stupid, schizo, out of touch, disenfranchised, insane people"

That wasn't quite the claim. Your attempt to simplify/combine it all turned it into a strawman.

and ppl believing men can be women are the voice of reason? are you sure?
I'm not sure what point you are trying to make or why you are bringing it up but your motivation can't be anything good.

and what was the point of his claim?


Why don't you ask Uldridge for clarification instead of posting something so flippant?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
October 22 2024 03:05 GMT
#89136
On October 22 2024 11:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2024 11:24 BlackJack wrote:
Bill Maher has a theory that Republicans love the crazy politicians even more because it sends it even stronger signal to the left that "literally anything is better than what you're offering."

https://youtu.be/vo8t86Fi2JQ?t=371


If that theory is correct, then it proves that Republicans are indeed delusional and out of touch, because those Republican politicians aren't better for our country or our people. Republicans are just plain wrong, if that theory is correct. I don’t know if that theory is correct or not, and I have no idea if some Republicans are trolling with purposely terrible leaders just to stick it to the libs, but they'd be hurting themselves too.


As dogmeat said, they are arguably less delusional and out of touch than the people believing a man is a woman because he put on a wig and stuffed his shirt with giant inflatable tits.
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
October 22 2024 03:55 GMT
#89137
On October 22 2024 12:05 BlackJack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2024 11:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On October 22 2024 11:24 BlackJack wrote:
Bill Maher has a theory that Republicans love the crazy politicians even more because it sends it even stronger signal to the left that "literally anything is better than what you're offering."

https://youtu.be/vo8t86Fi2JQ?t=371


If that theory is correct, then it proves that Republicans are indeed delusional and out of touch, because those Republican politicians aren't better for our country or our people. Republicans are just plain wrong, if that theory is correct. I don’t know if that theory is correct or not, and I have no idea if some Republicans are trolling with purposely terrible leaders just to stick it to the libs, but they'd be hurting themselves too.


As dogmeat said, they are arguably less delusional and out of touch than the people believing a man is a woman because he put on a wig and stuffed his shirt with giant inflatable tits.

He didn't say that, but you sure did.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27013 Posts
October 22 2024 04:09 GMT
#89138
On October 22 2024 11:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2024 11:24 BlackJack wrote:
Bill Maher has a theory that Republicans love the crazy politicians even more because it sends it even stronger signal to the left that "literally anything is better than what you're offering."

https://youtu.be/vo8t86Fi2JQ?t=371


If that theory is correct, then it proves that Republicans are indeed delusional and out of touch, because those Republican politicians aren't better for our country or our people. Republicans are just plain wrong, if that theory is correct. I don’t know if that theory is correct or not, and I have no idea if some Republicans are trolling with purposely terrible leaders just to stick it to the libs, but they'd be hurting themselves too.

If Bill Maher is correct, people will support heinous pieces of shit, if we’re talking the extremes, for no particular pragmatic reason

What point are you making? In a multiparty system you can exert leverage on x party by going to an extreme one in a particular election, or over a longer period. This phenomenon doesn’t really play out in a two party system.

Of course but there are other intersections and complications, but broadly if you’re OK with voting in this way, you’re fine with what that candidate stands for.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Fleetfeet
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Canada2747 Posts
October 22 2024 04:29 GMT
#89139
On October 22 2024 12:05 BlackJack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2024 11:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On October 22 2024 11:24 BlackJack wrote:
Bill Maher has a theory that Republicans love the crazy politicians even more because it sends it even stronger signal to the left that "literally anything is better than what you're offering."

https://youtu.be/vo8t86Fi2JQ?t=371


If that theory is correct, then it proves that Republicans are indeed delusional and out of touch, because those Republican politicians aren't better for our country or our people. Republicans are just plain wrong, if that theory is correct. I don’t know if that theory is correct or not, and I have no idea if some Republicans are trolling with purposely terrible leaders just to stick it to the libs, but they'd be hurting themselves too.


As dogmeat said, they are arguably less delusional and out of touch than the people believing a man is a woman because he put on a wig and stuffed his shirt with giant inflatable tits.


This highlights the real problem of "You're either a hard left super liberal gay trans polysexual open border advocate, or you're a sexist facist enabling racist undemocratic republican" because you can't be anything else. Federal representation in the US seems like it sucks ass.
EnDeR_
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Spain2913 Posts
October 22 2024 06:48 GMT
#89140
The amount of hate levelled at the trans community for the terrible crime of merely existing is truly staggering.
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