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On October 08 2024 04:50 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2024 04:39 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 08 2024 04:30 oBlade wrote:In another bout of erudite literalism, Biden recently announced he's reentering the race for president at a White House press conference, something he probably impulsively decided after losing his octogenarian temper at an unseemly reporter's prodding, "Do you regret dropping out?" And then with the same lack of respect that has typified this entire dumpster fire administration, everyone in the vicinity just laughed at the demented old racist to his face. He probably doesn't even realize how many ballot deadlines he's already missed. Watch the video you just linked. He said it sarcastically, grinned, and people laughed at his joke. Don't be a tool and don't fabricate things. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to think Biden is old and over-the-hill; you don't need to make up a new one. He literally said it. He stated it very clearly. With the same blank expression he always has. We don't need you Harats to deny reality and run interference like this. You really think the average voter would be capable of figuring out he was actually "joking" if he was as you claim? Clearly he's deranged, and wanting revenge on the people who pushed him out, meaning especially Kamala who replaced him. What better way than to falsely claim he's back in the race, causing a vote split as all the people who would never vote for the first black woman president decide to write in Biden instead. The only "joke" is that he'll be having the last laugh when he collapses the Democratic party out of spite with election interfering stunts like this. You can't just say something and mean it differently than what the words are.
I sincerely hope that you make it through whatever serious issue you're experiencing. A friend, family member, or even a neighbor can help provide comfort and clarity in times of need. It's okay to lean on other people who you trust.
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On October 08 2024 05:03 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2024 04:57 WombaT wrote:On October 08 2024 04:50 oBlade wrote:On October 08 2024 04:39 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 08 2024 04:30 oBlade wrote:In another bout of erudite literalism, Biden recently announced he's reentering the race for president at a White House press conference, something he probably impulsively decided after losing his octogenarian temper at an unseemly reporter's prodding, "Do you regret dropping out?" And then with the same lack of respect that has typified this entire dumpster fire administration, everyone in the vicinity just laughed at the demented old racist to his face. He probably doesn't even realize how many ballot deadlines he's already missed. Watch the video you just linked. He said it sarcastically, grinned, and people laughed at his joke. Don't be a tool and don't fabricate things. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to think Biden is old and over-the-hill; you don't need to make up a new one. He literally said it. He stated it very clearly. With the same blank expression he always has. We don't need you Harats to deny reality and run interference like this. You really think the average voter would be capable of figuring out he was actually "joking" if he was as you claim? Clearly he's deranged, and wanting revenge on the people who pushed him out, meaning especially Kamala who replaced him. What better way than to falsely claim he's back in the race, causing a vote split as all the people who would never vote for the first black woman president decide to write in Biden instead. The only "joke" is that he'll be having the last laugh when he collapses the Democratic party out of spite with election interfering stunts like this. You can't just say something and mean it differently than what the words are. What on unearthly fuck are you talking about? Explaining the joys of interpreting the world through the lens of selective literalism, imagine having that blasted at you for 8 years. Show nested quote +On October 08 2024 05:03 NewSunshine wrote:
It's okay, we can let oBlade be the one person who legitimately thinks Biden is trying to re-enter the race. It's not our fault he doesn't grasp jokes or sarcasm. Another Smithsonian level banger here.
You remember when I had to sit you down and explain that when you try to put two thoughts together in a conversation, that there actually needs to be a connection between the thoughts? I'm not going to sift through your stream-of-consciousness garbage for you.
Biden obviously made a joke. Don't talk about Smithsonian-level anything when you let an obvious joke fly clear over your head. You haven't reached that level yet. Come back when you understand what a joke is.
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On October 08 2024 05:05 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2024 04:57 WombaT wrote:On October 08 2024 04:50 oBlade wrote:On October 08 2024 04:39 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 08 2024 04:30 oBlade wrote:In another bout of erudite literalism, Biden recently announced he's reentering the race for president at a White House press conference, something he probably impulsively decided after losing his octogenarian temper at an unseemly reporter's prodding, "Do you regret dropping out?" And then with the same lack of respect that has typified this entire dumpster fire administration, everyone in the vicinity just laughed at the demented old racist to his face. He probably doesn't even realize how many ballot deadlines he's already missed. Watch the video you just linked. He said it sarcastically, grinned, and people laughed at his joke. Don't be a tool and don't fabricate things. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to think Biden is old and over-the-hill; you don't need to make up a new one. He literally said it. He stated it very clearly. With the same blank expression he always has. We don't need you Harats to deny reality and run interference like this. You really think the average voter would be capable of figuring out he was actually "joking" if he was as you claim? Clearly he's deranged, and wanting revenge on the people who pushed him out, meaning especially Kamala who replaced him. What better way than to falsely claim he's back in the race, causing a vote split as all the people who would never vote for the first black woman president decide to write in Biden instead. The only "joke" is that he'll be having the last laugh when he collapses the Democratic party out of spite with election interfering stunts like this. You can't just say something and mean it differently than what the words are. What on unearthly fuck are you talking about? He's clearly satirizing people's eagerness to take Trump literally that Kamala murdered someone while dismissing Biden's statement as being unserious. Apparently you get to pick and choose when to take something literally and when to ignore the context that someone is not speaking literally.
While oBlade has trouble with context clues, you're definitely better than that. If you watch the video of Biden that oBlade posted, Biden smiles and winks and laughs, indicating sarcasm and joking. Trump was absolutely not sarcastic when he said that Harris murdered that woman; he was deadpan and serious and neither he nor anyone around him was laughing. These two things are not the same, and given how regularly Trump sincerely accuses other people of absurd and illegal things, this isn't even a shocker.
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On October 08 2024 05:08 NewSunshine wrote:
Biden obviously made a joke. Don't talk about Smithsonian-level anything when you let an obvious joke fly clear over your head. You haven't reached that level yet. Come back when you understand what a joke is.
Good lord. The joke didn't fly over his head. He's intentionally and sarcastically pretending that Biden wasn't making a joke to illustrate how absurd it is that people are pretending that Trump thinks Kamala murdered someone on a hiking trail in Maryland.
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On October 08 2024 05:05 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2024 04:57 WombaT wrote:On October 08 2024 04:50 oBlade wrote:On October 08 2024 04:39 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 08 2024 04:30 oBlade wrote:In another bout of erudite literalism, Biden recently announced he's reentering the race for president at a White House press conference, something he probably impulsively decided after losing his octogenarian temper at an unseemly reporter's prodding, "Do you regret dropping out?" And then with the same lack of respect that has typified this entire dumpster fire administration, everyone in the vicinity just laughed at the demented old racist to his face. He probably doesn't even realize how many ballot deadlines he's already missed. Watch the video you just linked. He said it sarcastically, grinned, and people laughed at his joke. Don't be a tool and don't fabricate things. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to think Biden is old and over-the-hill; you don't need to make up a new one. He literally said it. He stated it very clearly. With the same blank expression he always has. We don't need you Harats to deny reality and run interference like this. You really think the average voter would be capable of figuring out he was actually "joking" if he was as you claim? Clearly he's deranged, and wanting revenge on the people who pushed him out, meaning especially Kamala who replaced him. What better way than to falsely claim he's back in the race, causing a vote split as all the people who would never vote for the first black woman president decide to write in Biden instead. The only "joke" is that he'll be having the last laugh when he collapses the Democratic party out of spite with election interfering stunts like this. You can't just say something and mean it differently than what the words are. What on unearthly fuck are you talking about? He's clearly satirizing people's eagerness to take Trump literally that Kamala murdered someone while dismissing Biden's statement as being unserious. Apparently you get to pick and choose when to take something literally and when to ignore the context that someone is not speaking literally.
You want to explain to me how "she killed her like she had a gun in her hand" somehow isn't ascribing responsibility to Harris for killing that person?
Fuck me, that's two people who refuse to understand tone and the meaning of words based on tone. What's in the water today?
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On October 08 2024 05:10 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2024 05:08 NewSunshine wrote:
Biden obviously made a joke. Don't talk about Smithsonian-level anything when you let an obvious joke fly clear over your head. You haven't reached that level yet. Come back when you understand what a joke is. Good lord. The joke didn't fly over his head. He's intentionally and sarcastically pretending that Biden wasn't making a joke to illustrate how absurd it is that people are pretending that Trump thinks Kamala murdered someone on a hiking trail in Maryland.
Are you sure? Am I supposed to take your word when you don't understand that Trump literally felt the need to specify that Kamala killed someone as if she was holding the weapon? I'm supposed to take your word on that?
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On October 08 2024 05:12 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2024 05:05 BlackJack wrote:On October 08 2024 04:57 WombaT wrote:On October 08 2024 04:50 oBlade wrote:On October 08 2024 04:39 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 08 2024 04:30 oBlade wrote:In another bout of erudite literalism, Biden recently announced he's reentering the race for president at a White House press conference, something he probably impulsively decided after losing his octogenarian temper at an unseemly reporter's prodding, "Do you regret dropping out?" And then with the same lack of respect that has typified this entire dumpster fire administration, everyone in the vicinity just laughed at the demented old racist to his face. He probably doesn't even realize how many ballot deadlines he's already missed. Watch the video you just linked. He said it sarcastically, grinned, and people laughed at his joke. Don't be a tool and don't fabricate things. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to think Biden is old and over-the-hill; you don't need to make up a new one. He literally said it. He stated it very clearly. With the same blank expression he always has. We don't need you Harats to deny reality and run interference like this. You really think the average voter would be capable of figuring out he was actually "joking" if he was as you claim? Clearly he's deranged, and wanting revenge on the people who pushed him out, meaning especially Kamala who replaced him. What better way than to falsely claim he's back in the race, causing a vote split as all the people who would never vote for the first black woman president decide to write in Biden instead. The only "joke" is that he'll be having the last laugh when he collapses the Democratic party out of spite with election interfering stunts like this. You can't just say something and mean it differently than what the words are. What on unearthly fuck are you talking about? He's clearly satirizing people's eagerness to take Trump literally that Kamala murdered someone while dismissing Biden's statement as being unserious. Apparently you get to pick and choose when to take something literally and when to ignore the context that someone is not speaking literally. You want to explain to me how "she killed her like she had a gun in her hand" somehow isn't ascribing responsibility to Harris for killing that person? Fuck me, that's two people who refuse to understand tone and the meaning of words based on tone. What's in the water today?
He IS ascribing responsibility to Kamala for Rachel Morin's death. He's not saying Kamala was literally the one that murdered her. "Gun in her hand" is a metaphor. He's not saying Kamala literally had a gun in her hand and used it to murder that woman on a hiking trail in Maryland. Pretending like we don't know what metaphors are just to attack Trump on something is just really bizarre. That's my point.
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On October 08 2024 05:10 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2024 05:08 NewSunshine wrote:
Biden obviously made a joke. Don't talk about Smithsonian-level anything when you let an obvious joke fly clear over your head. You haven't reached that level yet. Come back when you understand what a joke is. Good lord. The joke didn't fly over his head. He's intentionally and sarcastically pretending that Biden wasn't making a joke to illustrate how absurd it is that people are pretending that Trump thinks Kamala murdered someone on a hiking trail in Maryland.
Trump wasn't joking.
I could see someone hand-waving away Trump's statement, with something like "Yeah, that's just Trump making stupid claims again; what else is new," and then a discussion could be had about whether it's okay or not to dismiss Trump's dangerous accusations. But to think Biden's joke is comparable to Trump saying his usual bullshit is ridiculous. You were already giving Trump way too much credit, but it's doubly weird to see you trying to die on the absurd "oBlade Knows What's He's Talking About" hill.
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On October 08 2024 05:10 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2024 05:08 NewSunshine wrote:
Biden obviously made a joke. Don't talk about Smithsonian-level anything when you let an obvious joke fly clear over your head. You haven't reached that level yet. Come back when you understand what a joke is. Good lord. The joke didn't fly over his head. He's intentionally and sarcastically pretending that Biden wasn't making a joke to illustrate how absurd it is that people are pretending that Trump thinks Kamala murdered someone on a hiking trail in Maryland.
This is electric sharks all over again and really probably a big reason they might lose ground over the next month. Baiting themselves into these absurdly petty bickering matches over the stupidest aspects of the serious issues they distract from is incredibly repellant to people that can be persuaded to show up and vote for Democrats.
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On October 08 2024 05:17 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2024 05:12 NewSunshine wrote:On October 08 2024 05:05 BlackJack wrote:On October 08 2024 04:57 WombaT wrote:On October 08 2024 04:50 oBlade wrote:On October 08 2024 04:39 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 08 2024 04:30 oBlade wrote:In another bout of erudite literalism, Biden recently announced he's reentering the race for president at a White House press conference, something he probably impulsively decided after losing his octogenarian temper at an unseemly reporter's prodding, "Do you regret dropping out?" And then with the same lack of respect that has typified this entire dumpster fire administration, everyone in the vicinity just laughed at the demented old racist to his face. He probably doesn't even realize how many ballot deadlines he's already missed. Watch the video you just linked. He said it sarcastically, grinned, and people laughed at his joke. Don't be a tool and don't fabricate things. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to think Biden is old and over-the-hill; you don't need to make up a new one. He literally said it. He stated it very clearly. With the same blank expression he always has. We don't need you Harats to deny reality and run interference like this. You really think the average voter would be capable of figuring out he was actually "joking" if he was as you claim? Clearly he's deranged, and wanting revenge on the people who pushed him out, meaning especially Kamala who replaced him. What better way than to falsely claim he's back in the race, causing a vote split as all the people who would never vote for the first black woman president decide to write in Biden instead. The only "joke" is that he'll be having the last laugh when he collapses the Democratic party out of spite with election interfering stunts like this. You can't just say something and mean it differently than what the words are. What on unearthly fuck are you talking about? He's clearly satirizing people's eagerness to take Trump literally that Kamala murdered someone while dismissing Biden's statement as being unserious. Apparently you get to pick and choose when to take something literally and when to ignore the context that someone is not speaking literally. You want to explain to me how "she killed her like she had a gun in her hand" somehow isn't ascribing responsibility to Harris for killing that person? Fuck me, that's two people who refuse to understand tone and the meaning of words based on tone. What's in the water today? He IS ascribing responsibility to Kamala for Rachel Morin's death. He's not saying Kamala was literally the one that murdered her. "Gun in her hand" is a metaphor. He's not saying Kamala literally had a gun in her hand and used it to murder that woman on a hiking trail in Maryland. Pretending like we don't know what metaphors are just to attack Trump on something is just really bizarre. That's my point.
So when you were saying he wasn't accusing her of murder, what I really needed to understand was that actually, he's accusing her of murder. But also it's a metaphor.
You can't have your cake and eat it too. You made a shitty argument on the internet. You don't need to defend Trump, you will survive if people see you admitting you were wrong to pick a dumb fight on the internet just to defend Trump. It'll be ok.
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On October 08 2024 05:19 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2024 05:10 BlackJack wrote:On October 08 2024 05:08 NewSunshine wrote:
Biden obviously made a joke. Don't talk about Smithsonian-level anything when you let an obvious joke fly clear over your head. You haven't reached that level yet. Come back when you understand what a joke is. Good lord. The joke didn't fly over his head. He's intentionally and sarcastically pretending that Biden wasn't making a joke to illustrate how absurd it is that people are pretending that Trump thinks Kamala murdered someone on a hiking trail in Maryland. This is electric sharks all over again and really probably a big reason they might lose ground over the next month. Baiting themselves into these absurdly petty bickering matches over the stupidest aspects of the serious issues they distract from is incredibly repellant to people that can be persuaded to show up and vote for Democrats.
So how do you plan to vote?
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On October 08 2024 05:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2024 05:10 BlackJack wrote:On October 08 2024 05:08 NewSunshine wrote:
Biden obviously made a joke. Don't talk about Smithsonian-level anything when you let an obvious joke fly clear over your head. You haven't reached that level yet. Come back when you understand what a joke is. Good lord. The joke didn't fly over his head. He's intentionally and sarcastically pretending that Biden wasn't making a joke to illustrate how absurd it is that people are pretending that Trump thinks Kamala murdered someone on a hiking trail in Maryland. Trump wasn't joking. I could see someone hand-waving away Trump's statement, with something like "Yeah, that's just Trump making stupid claims again; what else is new," and then a discussion could be had about whether it's okay or not to dismiss Trump's dangerous accusations. But to think Biden's joke is comparable to Trump saying his usual bullshit is ridiculous. You were already giving Trump way too much credit, but it's doubly weird to see you trying to die on the absurd "oBlade Knows What's He's Talking About" hill.
I didn't say Trump was joking. I said he wasn't speaking literally.
The quote is "Kamala let the savage in that murdered Rachel Morin. Kamala murdered her."
How do you interpret that? That Kamala murdered Rachel Morin? But he just said the savage murdered her. Did he forget in the faction of a second that he already said the savage murdered her? Was it a double murder? Did the savage rape her and then Kamala finished the job with the butt end of her metaphorical gun? It's just really weird having to explain this. It's obvious he is saying that the savage is the one that killed Rachel Morin but Kamala is culpable for her death because she is the one that allowed the savage in. If you delete the context and narrow in one the one sentence "Kamala murdered her" then of course it looks like he is actually accusing Kamala of murdering someone. Just like if you delete the context of Joe Biden grinning and people laughing then it looks like he is "back in" the 2024 race. The point is it's stupid to delete context to win stupid arguments.
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On October 08 2024 05:21 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2024 05:17 BlackJack wrote:On October 08 2024 05:12 NewSunshine wrote:On October 08 2024 05:05 BlackJack wrote:On October 08 2024 04:57 WombaT wrote:On October 08 2024 04:50 oBlade wrote:On October 08 2024 04:39 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 08 2024 04:30 oBlade wrote:In another bout of erudite literalism, Biden recently announced he's reentering the race for president at a White House press conference, something he probably impulsively decided after losing his octogenarian temper at an unseemly reporter's prodding, "Do you regret dropping out?" And then with the same lack of respect that has typified this entire dumpster fire administration, everyone in the vicinity just laughed at the demented old racist to his face. He probably doesn't even realize how many ballot deadlines he's already missed. Watch the video you just linked. He said it sarcastically, grinned, and people laughed at his joke. Don't be a tool and don't fabricate things. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to think Biden is old and over-the-hill; you don't need to make up a new one. He literally said it. He stated it very clearly. With the same blank expression he always has. We don't need you Harats to deny reality and run interference like this. You really think the average voter would be capable of figuring out he was actually "joking" if he was as you claim? Clearly he's deranged, and wanting revenge on the people who pushed him out, meaning especially Kamala who replaced him. What better way than to falsely claim he's back in the race, causing a vote split as all the people who would never vote for the first black woman president decide to write in Biden instead. The only "joke" is that he'll be having the last laugh when he collapses the Democratic party out of spite with election interfering stunts like this. You can't just say something and mean it differently than what the words are. What on unearthly fuck are you talking about? He's clearly satirizing people's eagerness to take Trump literally that Kamala murdered someone while dismissing Biden's statement as being unserious. Apparently you get to pick and choose when to take something literally and when to ignore the context that someone is not speaking literally. You want to explain to me how "she killed her like she had a gun in her hand" somehow isn't ascribing responsibility to Harris for killing that person? Fuck me, that's two people who refuse to understand tone and the meaning of words based on tone. What's in the water today? He IS ascribing responsibility to Kamala for Rachel Morin's death. He's not saying Kamala was literally the one that murdered her. "Gun in her hand" is a metaphor. He's not saying Kamala literally had a gun in her hand and used it to murder that woman on a hiking trail in Maryland. Pretending like we don't know what metaphors are just to attack Trump on something is just really bizarre. That's my point. So when you were saying he wasn't accusing her of murder, what I really needed to understand was that actually, he's accusing her of murder. But also it's a metaphor. You can't have your cake and eat it too. You made a shitty argument on the internet. You don't need to defend Trump, you will survive if people see you admitting you were wrong to pick a dumb fight on the internet just to defend Trump. It'll be ok.
Ugh, I hate Trump, but it's reasonably obvious what his point was in this case. He's trying to pin every bad thing immigrants do on the democratic nominee. The right response is to dig up some murders committed by immigrants who entered between 2016 and 2020 and say he's responsible for them. Or just avoid the entire debate because it's incredibly stupid and utterly irrelevant for any actual debate about the merits of a functional immigration policy. But of course, this is TL USpol, so we'll have another 3 pages of this and then Trump will say something else weird.
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On October 08 2024 05:19 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2024 05:10 BlackJack wrote:On October 08 2024 05:08 NewSunshine wrote:
Biden obviously made a joke. Don't talk about Smithsonian-level anything when you let an obvious joke fly clear over your head. You haven't reached that level yet. Come back when you understand what a joke is. Good lord. The joke didn't fly over his head. He's intentionally and sarcastically pretending that Biden wasn't making a joke to illustrate how absurd it is that people are pretending that Trump thinks Kamala murdered someone on a hiking trail in Maryland. This is electric sharks all over again and really probably a big reason they might lose ground over the next month. Baiting themselves into these absurdly petty bickering matches over the stupidest aspects of the serious issues they distract from is incredibly repellant to people that can be persuaded to show up and vote for Democrats.
What are you talking about? People can discuss serious issues *and* call out Trump for saying stupid shit also. (I'm also not quite sure I agree with your premise that a presidential candidate saying alarmingly stupid shit isn't its own serious issue.) Harris and Walz and Democratic supporters haven't suddenly stopped talking about their plans for the economy, or women's rights, or other important topics. And it's extremely hypocritical when Republicans almost never talk about substance, but god forbid Democrats pause for a second from the issues, to point out Trump's gaslighting or fearmongering or lying.
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I interpret it as Trump being totally wrong as the vice president has very few actual powers, much less any control on the border.
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On October 08 2024 05:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2024 05:19 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 08 2024 05:10 BlackJack wrote:On October 08 2024 05:08 NewSunshine wrote:
Biden obviously made a joke. Don't talk about Smithsonian-level anything when you let an obvious joke fly clear over your head. You haven't reached that level yet. Come back when you understand what a joke is. Good lord. The joke didn't fly over his head. He's intentionally and sarcastically pretending that Biden wasn't making a joke to illustrate how absurd it is that people are pretending that Trump thinks Kamala murdered someone on a hiking trail in Maryland. This is electric sharks all over again and really probably a big reason they might lose ground over the next month. Baiting themselves into these absurdly petty bickering matches over the stupidest aspects of the serious issues they distract from is incredibly repellant to people that can be persuaded to show up and vote for Democrats. What are you talking about? People can discuss serious issues *and* call out Trump for saying stupid shit also. (I'm also not quite sure I agree with your premise that a presidential candidate saying alarmingly stupid shit isn't its own serious issue.) Harris and Walz and Democratic supporters haven't suddenly stopped talking about their plans for the economy, or women's rights, or other important topics. And it's extremely hypocritical when Republicans almost never talk about substance, but god forbid Democrats pause for a second from the issues, to point out Trump's gaslighting or fearmongering or lying.
Yeah, that's the double standard that Democrats are being held to again. BlackJack was thoughtful enough to post the video of John Stewart going into it, it's certainly worth a watch. We have an electorate that's totally okay with one party bullshitting their faces off, being belligerent and dishonest and picking fights both with the truth and with other people, but if the other party responds in any way that acknowledges it and tries to push back? We must clutch our pearls, for society as we know it is collapsing before our very eyes.
Biden told a joke. Walz misspoke about something he did decades ago. Someone on the internet has any objection whatsoever to Trump. Stop the presses!
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On October 08 2024 05:17 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2024 05:12 NewSunshine wrote:On October 08 2024 05:05 BlackJack wrote:On October 08 2024 04:57 WombaT wrote:On October 08 2024 04:50 oBlade wrote:On October 08 2024 04:39 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 08 2024 04:30 oBlade wrote:In another bout of erudite literalism, Biden recently announced he's reentering the race for president at a White House press conference, something he probably impulsively decided after losing his octogenarian temper at an unseemly reporter's prodding, "Do you regret dropping out?" And then with the same lack of respect that has typified this entire dumpster fire administration, everyone in the vicinity just laughed at the demented old racist to his face. He probably doesn't even realize how many ballot deadlines he's already missed. Watch the video you just linked. He said it sarcastically, grinned, and people laughed at his joke. Don't be a tool and don't fabricate things. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to think Biden is old and over-the-hill; you don't need to make up a new one. He literally said it. He stated it very clearly. With the same blank expression he always has. We don't need you Harats to deny reality and run interference like this. You really think the average voter would be capable of figuring out he was actually "joking" if he was as you claim? Clearly he's deranged, and wanting revenge on the people who pushed him out, meaning especially Kamala who replaced him. What better way than to falsely claim he's back in the race, causing a vote split as all the people who would never vote for the first black woman president decide to write in Biden instead. The only "joke" is that he'll be having the last laugh when he collapses the Democratic party out of spite with election interfering stunts like this. You can't just say something and mean it differently than what the words are. What on unearthly fuck are you talking about? He's clearly satirizing people's eagerness to take Trump literally that Kamala murdered someone while dismissing Biden's statement as being unserious. Apparently you get to pick and choose when to take something literally and when to ignore the context that someone is not speaking literally. You want to explain to me how "she killed her like she had a gun in her hand" somehow isn't ascribing responsibility to Harris for killing that person? Fuck me, that's two people who refuse to understand tone and the meaning of words based on tone. What's in the water today? He IS ascribing responsibility to Kamala for Rachel Morin's death. He's not saying Kamala was literally the one that murdered her. "Gun in her hand" is a metaphor. He's not saying Kamala literally had a gun in her hand and used it to murder that woman on a hiking trail in Maryland. Pretending like we don't know what metaphors are just to attack Trump on something is just really bizarre. That's my point.
On October 08 2024 05:27 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2024 05:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 08 2024 05:10 BlackJack wrote:On October 08 2024 05:08 NewSunshine wrote:
Biden obviously made a joke. Don't talk about Smithsonian-level anything when you let an obvious joke fly clear over your head. You haven't reached that level yet. Come back when you understand what a joke is. Good lord. The joke didn't fly over his head. He's intentionally and sarcastically pretending that Biden wasn't making a joke to illustrate how absurd it is that people are pretending that Trump thinks Kamala murdered someone on a hiking trail in Maryland. Trump wasn't joking. I could see someone hand-waving away Trump's statement, with something like "Yeah, that's just Trump making stupid claims again; what else is new," and then a discussion could be had about whether it's okay or not to dismiss Trump's dangerous accusations. But to think Biden's joke is comparable to Trump saying his usual bullshit is ridiculous. You were already giving Trump way too much credit, but it's doubly weird to see you trying to die on the absurd "oBlade Knows What's He's Talking About" hill. I didn't say Trump was joking. I said he wasn't speaking literally. The quote is "Kamala let the savage in that murdered Rachel Morin. Kamala murdered her."
How do you interpret that? That Kamala murdered Rachel Morin? But he just said the savage murdered her. Did he forget in the faction of a second that he already said the savage murdered her? Was it a double murder? Did the savage rape her and then Kamala finished the job with the butt end of her metaphorical gun? It's just really weird having to explain this. It's obvious he is saying that the savage is the one that killed Rachel Morin but Kamala is culpable for her death because she is the one that allowed the savage in. If you delete the context and narrow in one the one sentence "Kamala murdered her" then of course it looks like he is actually accusing Kamala of murdering someone. Just like if you delete the context of Joe Biden grinning and people laughing then it looks like he is "back in" the 2024 race. The point is it's stupid to delete context to win stupid arguments.
So Trump is saying that Harris is responsible for the victim's murder, but he also used a metaphor about the wrong cause of death. And that means "not murder". Does Trump think that Harris should only be convicted of manslaughter instead of murder? Please tell us the name of the crime, since Trump said "murder" but you know he meant "not murder".
If your ace in the hole is that two people can't be convicted of the same murder, then I think that's something you need to flesh out in more detail. I thought such a thing was possible, but I could be wrong.
You and oBlade are comparing a joke to a serious statement (part of which, at best, might contain a metaphor). These are not the same things though. oBlade might sincerely not understand this, but you're working really hard to try to make these things equal, even though I suspect you know they aren't.
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On October 08 2024 05:10 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2024 05:08 NewSunshine wrote:
Biden obviously made a joke. Don't talk about Smithsonian-level anything when you let an obvious joke fly clear over your head. You haven't reached that level yet. Come back when you understand what a joke is. Good lord. The joke didn't fly over his head. He's intentionally and sarcastically pretending that Biden wasn't making a joke to illustrate how absurd it is that people are pretending that Trump thinks Kamala murdered someone on a hiking trail in Maryland.
pains me to have to agree here. It’s a little silly to be able to understand that when Biden says he’s getting back into the race, he isn’t speaking literally.
and then when Trump insinuates Kamala is partially responsible for the death of some woman; no- he is literally saying she’s the red-handed murderer.
you can read between the lines on one, i figure you can read between the lines on another.
‘like she has a gun in her hand’ - you wouldn’t say it was ‘as if she had the gun,’ if you thought she was literally murderer you wouldn’t compare her to one.
though to be fair selective literalism, as oBlade has coined it (i love it,) has been a crutch of Trump supporters since his first candidacy. so i get it. but i think even the least generous interpretation here shouldn’t be going further than ‘Harris’s border policies are responsible for her death.’
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On October 08 2024 05:32 Falling wrote:
I interpret it as Trump being totally wrong as the vice president has very few actual powers, much less any control on the border.
But what about the incorrect label of "border czar" that Republicans insist is one of Harris's roles!?
On October 08 2024 05:35 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2024 05:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 08 2024 05:19 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 08 2024 05:10 BlackJack wrote:On October 08 2024 05:08 NewSunshine wrote:
Biden obviously made a joke. Don't talk about Smithsonian-level anything when you let an obvious joke fly clear over your head. You haven't reached that level yet. Come back when you understand what a joke is. Good lord. The joke didn't fly over his head. He's intentionally and sarcastically pretending that Biden wasn't making a joke to illustrate how absurd it is that people are pretending that Trump thinks Kamala murdered someone on a hiking trail in Maryland. This is electric sharks all over again and really probably a big reason they might lose ground over the next month. Baiting themselves into these absurdly petty bickering matches over the stupidest aspects of the serious issues they distract from is incredibly repellant to people that can be persuaded to show up and vote for Democrats. What are you talking about? People can discuss serious issues *and* call out Trump for saying stupid shit also. (I'm also not quite sure I agree with your premise that a presidential candidate saying alarmingly stupid shit isn't its own serious issue.) Harris and Walz and Democratic supporters haven't suddenly stopped talking about their plans for the economy, or women's rights, or other important topics. And it's extremely hypocritical when Republicans almost never talk about substance, but god forbid Democrats pause for a second from the issues, to point out Trump's gaslighting or fearmongering or lying. Yeah, that's the double standard that Democrats are being held to again. BlackJack was thoughtful enough to post the video of John Stewart going into it, it's certainly worth a watch. We have an electorate that's totally okay with one party bullshitting their faces off, being belligerent and dishonest and picking fights both with the truth and with other people, but if the other party responds in any way that acknowledges it and tries to push back? We must clutch our pearls, for society as we know it is collapsing before our very eyes. Biden told a joke. Walz misspoke about something he did decades ago. Someone on the internet has any objection whatsoever to Trump. Stop the presses!
The double standard and hypocrisy is what makes me worry that the Republican party will be stuck this way, even after Trump is gone. Alternative facts and cheating and just making up whatever reality they want... those things might not disappear when Trump does.
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On October 08 2024 05:19 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2024 05:10 BlackJack wrote:On October 08 2024 05:08 NewSunshine wrote:
Biden obviously made a joke. Don't talk about Smithsonian-level anything when you let an obvious joke fly clear over your head. You haven't reached that level yet. Come back when you understand what a joke is. Good lord. The joke didn't fly over his head. He's intentionally and sarcastically pretending that Biden wasn't making a joke to illustrate how absurd it is that people are pretending that Trump thinks Kamala murdered someone on a hiking trail in Maryland. This is electric sharks all over again and really probably a big reason they might lose ground over the next month. Baiting themselves into these absurdly petty bickering matches over the stupidest aspects of the serious issues they distract from is incredibly repellant to people that can be persuaded to show up and vote for Democrats.
I honestly didn't know who Rachel Morin was before today. It's certainly an odd strategy to go out of your way to bring up the case of a mother of 5 being raped and having her head bashed in by an El Salvadorian that illegally entered the country, just so you can nail Trump on it by quoting him out of context. Like I'm no Democratic strategist but maybe don't start talking about the illegal immigrants that have murdered people...?
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