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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45338 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11764 Posts
On September 16 2024 18:32 oBlade wrote: Far be it. The last thing I would want to do is suggest without any evidence that the guy who hated Trump and had a gun and was hiding in the bushes pointing it towards Trump, at Trump's golf course, who dropped his gun and started running when fired at by government agents - the last thing I would ever want to do is somehow insinuate that person fired his gun - that would be an unhinged conspiracy theory suggesting that there was violence towards Trump that would somehow justify Trump's hateful rhetoric of wanting wars to end which is bona fide hate speech towards the military industrial complex. There's no evidence of this being stochastic terrorism, just a guy who hated Trump and wanted to pretend to kill him because he was an enemy of Ukraine because that's what the TV told him for years. I draw the line at actually shooting a bullet at a president. Oh my god dude, you are fucking insufferable. | ||
KwarK
United States43651 Posts
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EnDeR_
Spain2779 Posts
Not that I agree with the sentiment of the post, but still, it's at least coherent. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9780 Posts
On September 16 2024 08:25 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: It seems that we're starting to learn some information about the suspect: "The suspect, Ryan Wesley Routh, 58, also had a GoPro camera and a backpack with ceramic tiles when he was near the course." https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/live-blog/live-updates-trump-campaign-says-trump-safe-gunshots-florida-rcna171212 If the suspect is the Ryan Routh whose tweets are currently being dug up and passed around, then he's a Republican, voted for Trump in 2016, and supports other politicians including Vivek Ramaswamy, Nikki Haley, and Tulsi Gabbard: https://x.com/cturnbull1968/status/1835448679760552300/photo/1 https://x.com/Angry_Staffer/status/1835457271385538798/photo/1 The comments on this one: https://x.com/RyanRouth/status/1526777087411077120 I wonder if oBlade and BlackJack would still consider this assassination attempt to be "stochastic terrorism" if it turned out this guy was indeed a Republican who was a follower of Ramaswamy, Haley, and Gabbard. Doesn't seem to make much sense to me. Why are republicans trying to kill Trump? Is there some super insane sect of Republicans who hate him for whatever reason? I've never really heard of such a thing. | ||
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KwarK
United States43651 Posts
On September 17 2024 01:04 Jockmcplop wrote: Why are republicans trying to kill Trump? Is there some super insane sect of Republicans who hate him for whatever reason? I've never really heard of such a thing. Democrats are too gutless? | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7989 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11764 Posts
On September 17 2024 01:04 Jockmcplop wrote: Why are republicans trying to kill Trump? Is there some super insane sect of Republicans who hate him for whatever reason? I've never really heard of such a thing. I can actually understand it. Imagine if you are a republican of the classic conservative, not-insane variant. You should be very angry at Trump for basically completely ruining your party and turning it into this utterly insane could of what the fuck. Someone taking something you liked, utterly corrupting it, and turning it into some horrible twisted mirror version of itself probably feels worse than someone taking something you disliked to begin with, and making it a bit more evil. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22125 Posts
On September 17 2024 01:24 Biff The Understudy wrote: Only one party has actively called for the assassination of their political opponents, and it sure ain't DemocratsI think the republicans blaming democrats for the assassination attempts because of their vitriol is about as ironic as it gets. The guy is the incarnation of vitriol, that’s what he is all about. There is nothing he has done or said in 15 years that is not vitriolic in a way or another. If Hillary wins...nothing you can do, folks. But the Second Amendment people, maybe there is, I don't know. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28751 Posts
But I dont think characterizing him as a republican seems accurate. (Nor would characterizing him as a democrat be). An ex-trump turned avid anti-trumper with a great interest in foreign policy and some self-aggrandizing delusions seems like his profile right now, but he doesnt seem particularly aligned with either party. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45338 Posts
On September 17 2024 01:58 Liquid`Drone wrote: Routh donated money to Actblue on almost 20 occasions between 2019 and 20. He voted Trump in 2016 but expressed regret of that. I don't think his record is clear earlier than that. But I dont think characterizing him as a republican seems accurate. (Nor would characterizing him as a democrat be). An ex-trump turned avid anti-trumper with a great interest in foreign policy and some self-aggrandizing delusions seems like his profile right now, but he doesnt seem particularly aligned with either party. As more and more personal information about his political preferences are revealed, I'm getting this feeling as well. He was a hardcore MAGA Trumper back in 2016, then he thought Trump became senile and stupid and seemed to support a variety of Democratic candidates and Republican candidates for various reasons. He's made some pro-Biden remarks, and he's also pushed for a ticket that was more in line with Haley, Ramaswamy, and Gabbard. From what I've read, it seems that he's conservative on most issues except he feels extremely strongly about aiding Ukraine and not letting Russia win the war, which is where he aligns more with Democrats than Republicans. He's all over the place, especially compared to the PA shooter who fit pretty cleanly into the conservative bucket. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7989 Posts
There is nothing in the Democratic message that incites in any way shape or form to political violence. If anything the extreme toxicity in which that kind of things are happening is fueled by Trump and his supporters, who have been absolutely thriving on verbal and political violence from day 1 and transforming every political argument into ad hominems. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23676 Posts
On September 17 2024 02:59 Biff The Understudy wrote: I mean, thing is that the guys doing those things are generally adrift and usually pretty deranged. There is nothing in the Democratic message that incites in any way shape or form to political violence. If anything the extreme toxicity in which that kind of things are happening is fueled by Trump and his supporters, who have been absolutely thriving on verbal and political violence from day 1 and transforming every political argument into ad hominems. Democrats tend to go the other way, preposterously pretending political violence is never their answer while they perpetuate the embargo against Cuba, drop bombs in several countries, and engage in ethnic cleansing/genocide (amongst plenty of other political violence). It's silly. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On September 17 2024 02:59 Biff The Understudy wrote: I mean, thing is that the guys doing those things are generally adrift and usually pretty deranged. There is nothing in the Democratic message that incites in any way shape or form to political violence. If anything the extreme toxicity in which that kind of things are happening is fueled by Trump and his supporters, who have been absolutely thriving on verbal and political violence from day 1 and transforming every political argument into ad hominems. Those xenophobic, racist, transphobic, bigoted, white supremacist, Islamophobic, anti-vax, homophobic MAGA Republicans turn every political argument into ad hominems | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45338 Posts
On September 17 2024 04:56 BlackJack wrote: Those xenophobic, racist, transphobic, bigoted, white supremacist, Islamophobic, anti-vax, homophobic MAGA Republicans turn every political argument into ad hominems If a Republican makes an argument, and is dismissed with simple name-calling instead of addressing the actual argument, then that would be inappropriate and fallacious. But calling a Republican racist when it's true, or homophobic when it's true, or anything else when it's true and there's no argument being made by them... That's just calling them out for their bad behavior, rhetoric, actions, etc. Are Republicans really such snowflakes that they can't handle accurate labels? | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11764 Posts
On September 17 2024 05:16 BlackJack wrote: Well it's obviously true. They are Republicans after all What even is your point here? Mind spelling it out without all the sarcasm? | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16121 Posts
On September 17 2024 01:04 Jockmcplop wrote: Why are republicans trying to kill Trump? Is there some super insane sect of Republicans who hate him for whatever reason? I've never really heard of such a thing. For the radical right that has been saying that a "race war" is on the horizon for the last 30 years, assassinating Donald Trump and turning him into a martyr especially when it's looking increasingly likely that he's going to lose the election might be the last desperate move they have to make sure that happens. It doesn't make sense to rational adults but the kinds of people that are trying to kill him are so deep down the rabbit hole of conspiracy that they don't think rationally anymore. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45338 Posts
On September 17 2024 05:16 BlackJack wrote: Well it's obviously true. They are Republicans after all It was a conditional (if-then statement), not an assertion that all Republicans are necessarily all of those -isms. Your post sounds a lot like oBlade's post, a few days ago, where he got super triggered that Trump was accurately called a criminal. Like, how dare we acknowledge reality!? | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On September 17 2024 05:20 Simberto wrote: What even is your point here? Mind spelling it out without all the sarcasm? Just pointing out that the first play in the playbook for people on the left is to try to label the person disagreeing with you some kind of -ist to discredit them in response to Biff saying the right-wing is the one relying on ad hominem for political arguments On September 17 2024 05:48 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: It was a conditional (if-then statement), not an assertion that all Republicans are necessarily all of those -isms. An example that comes to mind is Canadian President Justin Trudeau speaking of the unvaccinated: “They don’t believe in science/progress and are very often misogynistic and racist....This leads us, as a leader and as a country, to make a choice: Do we tolerate these people?" Do you think there is a logical if-then condition that allows us to conclude that someone who opposes vaccine mandates is a hater of women? Or a hater of colored people? Or do you think it's simply a deliberate attempt to demonize those that disagree with him so people can move onto asking the more pressing question of "should we tolerate these people" | ||
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