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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland24813 Posts
September 15 2024 14:28 GMT
#87901
On September 15 2024 23:18 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2024 22:30 Sadist wrote:
They are darker. They speak spanish. There is a perception they drive down wages.

Not saying any of those things are valid reasons to discriminate but thats what I would expect as an American.


You're forgetting that they're all drug dealers.

Some, I presume are good people
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
frontgarden2222
Profile Joined June 2024
58 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-09-15 16:31:54
September 15 2024 16:24 GMT
#87902


The more pertinent question is why everyone is hyper focusing on Springfield you dickhead.

Literally the only thing these assholes are priming is violence should Harris wins.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44106 Posts
September 15 2024 17:15 GMT
#87903
In my eyes, J.D. Vance is slowly transforming from merely a spineless, opportunistic, cowardly laughingstock into a legitimate threat to society. The fact that he joined Trump in Trump's latest bout of stochastic terrorism - these racist attacks on innocent people living in Ohio, full of lies and fearmongering and hatemongering, which are leading to actual threats and property damage - is incredibly alarming. Vance has already stated that he would have helped Trump steal the election if he were in Pence's position during the January 6th insurrection too.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21584 Posts
September 15 2024 17:19 GMT
#87904
On September 16 2024 02:15 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
In my eyes, J.D. Vance is slowly transforming from merely a spineless, opportunistic, cowardly laughingstock into a legitimate threat to society. The fact that he joined Trump in Trump's latest bout of stochastic terrorism - these racist attacks on innocent people living in Ohio, full of lies and fearmongering and hatemongering, which are leading to actual threats and property damage - is incredibly alarming. Vance has already stated that he would have helped Trump steal the election if he were in Pence's position during the January 6th insurrection too.
Being willing to steal the election for Trump was the #1 job requirement to be his VP, considering in Trumps mind the only reason he hasn't been President for the last 4 years is because Pence refused to stage a coup.
He wasn't going to make that 'mistake' twice.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15511 Posts
September 15 2024 17:31 GMT
#87905
The debate continues to have secondary and tertiary effects. Trump’s team felt like they needed to be bold and triple down to make a comeback. They committed hard to a really bad idea. Being behind and getting desperate are real, tangible effects.

Depending on how this Loomer situation goes the next couple of weeks, this may spiral into an actual dead campaign. Trump has already been bleeding influence and favors lately. He has a very tough choice to make right now. But I guarantee you she has a contingency plan to make sure she doesn’t get tossed in the trash. I think it’s entirely possible she has firm and devastating blackmail on him at this point. She would absolutely tweet her own sex videos with him if he tries to ditch her. Assuming she has such things. I am beginning to think we may be looking at checkmate depending on if he pulls off a miracle in the next couple of weeks
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44106 Posts
September 15 2024 18:15 GMT
#87906
On September 16 2024 02:19 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2024 02:15 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
In my eyes, J.D. Vance is slowly transforming from merely a spineless, opportunistic, cowardly laughingstock into a legitimate threat to society. The fact that he joined Trump in Trump's latest bout of stochastic terrorism - these racist attacks on innocent people living in Ohio, full of lies and fearmongering and hatemongering, which are leading to actual threats and property damage - is incredibly alarming. Vance has already stated that he would have helped Trump steal the election if he were in Pence's position during the January 6th insurrection too.
Being willing to steal the election for Trump was the #1 job requirement to be his VP, considering in Trumps mind the only reason he hasn't been President for the last 4 years is because Pence refused to stage a coup.
He wasn't going to make that 'mistake' twice.


Agreed. It's still crazy to me that Trump is so arrogant that he picked a mini-him/beta-cuck-simp as his runningmate, as opposed to someone who would balance the ticket and lock in way more votes, like Nikki Haley.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5467 Posts
September 15 2024 19:24 GMT
#87907
"Stochastic terrorism" to the extent it's something that exists and not contrived word salad, is not false flag bomb threats called in by Redditors or other hoaxers trying desperately to drum up the appearance of violence, but someone literally just getting arrested for again taking shots at Trump in Florida.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28621 Posts
September 15 2024 19:26 GMT
#87908
Where's your source for that oBlade? I read the shooting incident in florida had nothing to do with trump and was two other people shooting at each other - but that the shootout happened somewhat in the vincinity of Trump.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44106 Posts
September 15 2024 19:50 GMT
#87909
On September 16 2024 04:26 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Where's your source for that oBlade? I read the shooting incident in florida had nothing to do with trump and was two other people shooting at each other - but that the shootout happened somewhat in the vincinity of Trump.


Same here. oBlade is wrong.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9110 Posts
September 15 2024 19:56 GMT
#87910
On September 16 2024 04:50 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2024 04:26 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Where's your source for that oBlade? I read the shooting incident in florida had nothing to do with trump and was two other people shooting at each other - but that the shootout happened somewhat in the vincinity of Trump.


Same here. oBlade is wrong.

Not necessarily, the event is too recent and there's conflicting reports still.

New York Post added that two people exchanging gunfire meant specifically for each other engaged in a shootout. The shooters were not targeting Trump, the sources said, according to the outlet.

However, CNN reported contradictory information. Citing its own sources, the network reported that officials believed the shots at the golf club were indeed intended for Trump.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/sep/15/trump-safe-gunshots-golf-course
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44106 Posts
September 15 2024 20:00 GMT
#87911
On September 16 2024 04:56 Dan HH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2024 04:50 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On September 16 2024 04:26 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Where's your source for that oBlade? I read the shooting incident in florida had nothing to do with trump and was two other people shooting at each other - but that the shootout happened somewhat in the vincinity of Trump.


Same here. oBlade is wrong.

Not necessarily, the event is too recent and there's conflicting reports still.

Show nested quote +
New York Post added that two people exchanging gunfire meant specifically for each other engaged in a shootout. The shooters were not targeting Trump, the sources said, according to the outlet.

However, CNN reported contradictory information. Citing its own sources, the network reported that officials believed the shots at the golf club were indeed intended for Trump.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/sep/15/trump-safe-gunshots-golf-course


Neither of those contradictory reports supports oBlade's assertion that people actually shot at Trump in Florida. Even if one of the two shooters was actually hoping to eventually shoot at Trump, they didn't. They may have fired shots, but not at Trump.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28621 Posts
September 15 2024 20:10 GMT
#87912
Eh if the shots were intended for Trump but that the person had to 'get through someone' first and thus had to shoot someone else instead I'm honestly fine with oBlade's description. But my Norwegian media made it seem like it wasn't really related to Trump from my first read, and I'm afraid to revisit the page because I'm watching a football match with 1 hour delay and it'll probably get spoiled if I go there.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44106 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-09-15 20:23:41
September 15 2024 20:22 GMT
#87913
On September 16 2024 05:10 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Eh if the shots were intended for Trump but that the person had to 'get through someone' first and thus had to shoot someone else instead I'm honestly fine with oBlade's description. But my Norwegian media made it seem like it wasn't really related to Trump from my first read, and I'm afraid to revisit the page because I'm watching a football match with 1 hour delay and it'll probably get spoiled if I go there.


If that were the case, then it'd be accurate to say that an assassination attempt was foiled, but not that someone actually shot at Trump.

Anyways, I'm sure that Trump and his allies will pearl-clutch and assert the worst, regardless of the facts, as always.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44106 Posts
September 15 2024 20:41 GMT
#87914
Trump just posted on social media "I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT!"

It's like he's practically begging Swifties to register and vote against him.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10377 Posts
September 15 2024 20:41 GMT
#87915
On September 16 2024 05:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2024 05:10 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Eh if the shots were intended for Trump but that the person had to 'get through someone' first and thus had to shoot someone else instead I'm honestly fine with oBlade's description. But my Norwegian media made it seem like it wasn't really related to Trump from my first read, and I'm afraid to revisit the page because I'm watching a football match with 1 hour delay and it'll probably get spoiled if I go there.


If that were the case, then it'd be accurate to say that an assassination attempt was foiled, but not that someone actually shot at Trump.


oBlade was using it as an example of stochastic terrorism. If someone went to a Trump golf course with the intent to shoot and kill Trump it really doesn't make a difference if the shots intended for Trump were close enough to hit him.

Arguing the semantics of "shots intended for Trump" vs "shot at Trump" is kind of silly but it's exponentially more silly when it doesn't even affect oBlade's point.
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10377 Posts
September 15 2024 20:44 GMT
#87916
On September 15 2024 22:15 Biff The Understudy wrote:
What’s the grief against Mexican immigrants?

In Europe there is an anti immigrant sentiment that is directed towards Muslims and black people. But i assume the basis for the hostility towards Latino migrants is built on as different basis.

It feels kind of strange from him because you would never have, say, an anti Spanish sentiment in France and the target of the anti immigration sentiment are people who are culturally further away.


The grief against migrants, as best as I can tell, is entirely dependent on what region you're in

In blue states/cities they are disliked because they are a strain on public resources and other legitimate problems.

In red states/cities they are disliked because they are black and brown.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9561 Posts
September 15 2024 20:47 GMT
#87917
On September 16 2024 05:41 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Trump just posted on social media "I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT!"

It's like he's practically begging Swifties to register and vote against him.


You know if Taylor Swift was to say anything even remotely bad about KH or good about Trump he'd be saying how much he loves her and expect all his biggest fans on the internet to forget that he posted this.

Which is fine, but we all know they would oblige and the gaslighting would immediately begin. Again.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15511 Posts
September 15 2024 20:49 GMT
#87918
I just realized these shots fired around the golf course are horrible for Trump. This will totally be enough of a smoke bomb to kill the momentum against Loomer. I think Loomer is able to hold on against the backlash and remain in his inner circle now.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44106 Posts
September 15 2024 20:51 GMT
#87919
On September 16 2024 05:41 BlackJack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2024 05:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On September 16 2024 05:10 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Eh if the shots were intended for Trump but that the person had to 'get through someone' first and thus had to shoot someone else instead I'm honestly fine with oBlade's description. But my Norwegian media made it seem like it wasn't really related to Trump from my first read, and I'm afraid to revisit the page because I'm watching a football match with 1 hour delay and it'll probably get spoiled if I go there.


If that were the case, then it'd be accurate to say that an assassination attempt was foiled, but not that someone actually shot at Trump.


oBlade was using it as an example of stochastic terrorism. If someone went to a Trump golf course with the intent to shoot and kill Trump it really doesn't make a difference if the shots intended for Trump were close enough to hit him.

Arguing the semantics of "shots intended for Trump" vs "shot at Trump" is kind of silly but it's exponentially more silly when it doesn't even affect oBlade's point.


Except oBlade didn't even bother to say who would have hypothetically been creating that stochastic terrorism (and it's not like Harris or Walz are telling people to attack Trump, whereas Trump and Vance are consistently gaslighting their supporters into harming others), so:
1. That hypothetical might not be stochastic terrorism anyway;
2. It. Still. Didn't. Actually. Happen.

So oBlade is wrong in two ways. Thanks!
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44106 Posts
September 15 2024 20:52 GMT
#87920
On September 16 2024 05:49 Mohdoo wrote:
I just realized these shots fired around the golf course are horrible for Trump. This will totally be enough of a smoke bomb to kill the momentum against Loomer. I think Loomer is able to hold on against the backlash and remain in his inner circle now.


What exactly is going on with Loomer? I keep hearing about how she's insane and also spending a lot of time with Trump, but I don't know how/why it's a big deal all of a sudden. Did something recently happen with her (besides her crazy argument with MTG)?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
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