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On September 15 2024 00:12 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2024 13:42 BlackJack wrote:On September 14 2024 08:57 Magic Powers wrote:On September 14 2024 07:34 BlackJack wrote:On September 14 2024 06:45 Magic Powers wrote:On September 14 2024 06:07 BlackJack wrote:On September 14 2024 06:03 Magic Powers wrote:On September 14 2024 05:55 BlackJack wrote:On September 14 2024 05:27 Gorsameth wrote:On September 14 2024 05:02 BlackJack wrote:
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What are you talking about? Go back and read the thread. I was in the middle of a conversation about inflation and then Serm went off a pet-eating tangent.
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Sermokala brought the topic up, the topic is now being discussed, and somehow I am to blame? Give me a break So it is, seems I skimmed over that. My apologies. Still an incredibly stupid thing that no one would be talking about if not for Trumps (and other Republicans) mad screeching. Yes technically true. If Trump didn't mention it at the debate there would never be a genesis to the discussion. But the discussion also never would have happened if Serm just said "Trump said immigrants are eating cats. What a moron." He had to add the claim that "the population of the town hasn't increased significantly" that I objected to. @MP A recent surge in immigration has been too fast and recent to be captured yet in population estimates. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/haitian-immigrants-fueled-springfields-growth-now-us-presidential-debate-2024-09-11/ Thanks for the source! It states: "What didn't happen, according to interviews with a dozen local, county and officials as well as city police data, was any general rise in violent or property crime. Wages didn't collapse, but surged with a rising number of job openings in a labor market that remained tight until recently." This doesn't look like a crisis to me, more like the opposite. Right, it all looks good when you cherry pick out one paragraph and ignore the 2 previous paragraphs of the article "Enrollment in Medicaid and federal food assistance and welfare programs surged. So did rents and vehicle accidents, including a collision last year when a Haitian without a U.S. driver's license drove into a school bus, killing 11-year-old Aiden Clark and injuring 26 other children. The number of affordable housing vouchers fell as landlords moved to market-based rents that were rising in the face of higher demand, a blow to existing residents relying on them." To me it looks like the following: Vance allowed all those migrants in... What are you referencing here? Does JD Vance have some gatekeeper powers for who gets into Ohio that I'm not aware of? Does he not? As a senator isn't the immigration quota and such things his responsibility? I mean someone has to make that decision. Anyone in the United States is free to travel and settle in any other state. There’s nothing at the borders between states except “Welcome to [state] signs and maybe a visitor center. Of the millions of people let into the country recently nobody is controlling if any of them go to Springfield Ohio. Abbott has been erecting barbed wire and checkpoints between Texas and New Mexico to prevent new Mexicans entering Texas from that route.
Is Abbott trying to prevent new Mexicans or New Mexicans? Or both?
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United States43651 Posts
On September 15 2024 00:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2024 00:12 KwarK wrote:On September 14 2024 13:42 BlackJack wrote:On September 14 2024 08:57 Magic Powers wrote:On September 14 2024 07:34 BlackJack wrote:On September 14 2024 06:45 Magic Powers wrote:On September 14 2024 06:07 BlackJack wrote:On September 14 2024 06:03 Magic Powers wrote:On September 14 2024 05:55 BlackJack wrote:On September 14 2024 05:27 Gorsameth wrote:
[quote]So it is, seems I skimmed over that. My apologies.
Still an incredibly stupid thing that no one would be talking about if not for Trumps (and other Republicans) mad screeching. Yes technically true. If Trump didn't mention it at the debate there would never be a genesis to the discussion. But the discussion also never would have happened if Serm just said "Trump said immigrants are eating cats. What a moron." He had to add the claim that "the population of the town hasn't increased significantly" that I objected to. @MP A recent surge in immigration has been too fast and recent to be captured yet in population estimates. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/haitian-immigrants-fueled-springfields-growth-now-us-presidential-debate-2024-09-11/ Thanks for the source! It states: "What didn't happen, according to interviews with a dozen local, county and officials as well as city police data, was any general rise in violent or property crime. Wages didn't collapse, but surged with a rising number of job openings in a labor market that remained tight until recently." This doesn't look like a crisis to me, more like the opposite. Right, it all looks good when you cherry pick out one paragraph and ignore the 2 previous paragraphs of the article "Enrollment in Medicaid and federal food assistance and welfare programs surged. So did rents and vehicle accidents, including a collision last year when a Haitian without a U.S. driver's license drove into a school bus, killing 11-year-old Aiden Clark and injuring 26 other children. The number of affordable housing vouchers fell as landlords moved to market-based rents that were rising in the face of higher demand, a blow to existing residents relying on them." To me it looks like the following: Vance allowed all those migrants in... What are you referencing here? Does JD Vance have some gatekeeper powers for who gets into Ohio that I'm not aware of? Does he not? As a senator isn't the immigration quota and such things his responsibility? I mean someone has to make that decision. Anyone in the United States is free to travel and settle in any other state. There’s nothing at the borders between states except “Welcome to [state] signs and maybe a visitor center. Of the millions of people let into the country recently nobody is controlling if any of them go to Springfield Ohio. Abbott has been erecting barbed wire and checkpoints between Texas and New Mexico to prevent new Mexicans entering Texas from that route. Is Abbott trying to prevent new Mexicans or New Mexicans? Or both?
New Mexicans.
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On September 15 2024 00:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2024 00:12 KwarK wrote:On September 14 2024 13:42 BlackJack wrote:On September 14 2024 08:57 Magic Powers wrote:On September 14 2024 07:34 BlackJack wrote:On September 14 2024 06:45 Magic Powers wrote:On September 14 2024 06:07 BlackJack wrote:On September 14 2024 06:03 Magic Powers wrote:On September 14 2024 05:55 BlackJack wrote:On September 14 2024 05:27 Gorsameth wrote:
[quote]So it is, seems I skimmed over that. My apologies.
Still an incredibly stupid thing that no one would be talking about if not for Trumps (and other Republicans) mad screeching. Yes technically true. If Trump didn't mention it at the debate there would never be a genesis to the discussion. But the discussion also never would have happened if Serm just said "Trump said immigrants are eating cats. What a moron." He had to add the claim that "the population of the town hasn't increased significantly" that I objected to. @MP A recent surge in immigration has been too fast and recent to be captured yet in population estimates. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/haitian-immigrants-fueled-springfields-growth-now-us-presidential-debate-2024-09-11/ Thanks for the source! It states: "What didn't happen, according to interviews with a dozen local, county and officials as well as city police data, was any general rise in violent or property crime. Wages didn't collapse, but surged with a rising number of job openings in a labor market that remained tight until recently." This doesn't look like a crisis to me, more like the opposite. Right, it all looks good when you cherry pick out one paragraph and ignore the 2 previous paragraphs of the article "Enrollment in Medicaid and federal food assistance and welfare programs surged. So did rents and vehicle accidents, including a collision last year when a Haitian without a U.S. driver's license drove into a school bus, killing 11-year-old Aiden Clark and injuring 26 other children. The number of affordable housing vouchers fell as landlords moved to market-based rents that were rising in the face of higher demand, a blow to existing residents relying on them." To me it looks like the following: Vance allowed all those migrants in... What are you referencing here? Does JD Vance have some gatekeeper powers for who gets into Ohio that I'm not aware of? Does he not? As a senator isn't the immigration quota and such things his responsibility? I mean someone has to make that decision. Anyone in the United States is free to travel and settle in any other state. There’s nothing at the borders between states except “Welcome to [state] signs and maybe a visitor center. Of the millions of people let into the country recently nobody is controlling if any of them go to Springfield Ohio. Abbott has been erecting barbed wire and checkpoints between Texas and New Mexico to prevent new Mexicans entering Texas from that route. Is Abbott trying to prevent new Mexicans or New Mexicans? Or both?
New New Mexicans, I think.
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On September 15 2024 01:51 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2024 00:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 15 2024 00:12 KwarK wrote:On September 14 2024 13:42 BlackJack wrote:On September 14 2024 08:57 Magic Powers wrote:On September 14 2024 07:34 BlackJack wrote:On September 14 2024 06:45 Magic Powers wrote:On September 14 2024 06:07 BlackJack wrote:On September 14 2024 06:03 Magic Powers wrote:Thanks for the source! It states: "What didn't happen, according to interviews with a dozen local, county and officials as well as city police data, was any general rise in violent or property crime. Wages didn't collapse, but surged with a rising number of job openings in a labor market that remained tight until recently." This doesn't look like a crisis to me, more like the opposite. Right, it all looks good when you cherry pick out one paragraph and ignore the 2 previous paragraphs of the article "Enrollment in Medicaid and federal food assistance and welfare programs surged. So did rents and vehicle accidents, including a collision last year when a Haitian without a U.S. driver's license drove into a school bus, killing 11-year-old Aiden Clark and injuring 26 other children. The number of affordable housing vouchers fell as landlords moved to market-based rents that were rising in the face of higher demand, a blow to existing residents relying on them." To me it looks like the following: Vance allowed all those migrants in... What are you referencing here? Does JD Vance have some gatekeeper powers for who gets into Ohio that I'm not aware of? Does he not? As a senator isn't the immigration quota and such things his responsibility? I mean someone has to make that decision. Anyone in the United States is free to travel and settle in any other state. There’s nothing at the borders between states except “Welcome to [state] signs and maybe a visitor center. Of the millions of people let into the country recently nobody is controlling if any of them go to Springfield Ohio. Abbott has been erecting barbed wire and checkpoints between Texas and New Mexico to prevent new Mexicans entering Texas from that route. Is Abbott trying to prevent new Mexicans or New Mexicans? Or both? New New Mexicans, I think.
Or maybe new New Mexican Mexicans?
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On September 15 2024 01:51 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2024 00:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 15 2024 00:12 KwarK wrote:On September 14 2024 13:42 BlackJack wrote:On September 14 2024 08:57 Magic Powers wrote:On September 14 2024 07:34 BlackJack wrote:On September 14 2024 06:45 Magic Powers wrote:On September 14 2024 06:07 BlackJack wrote:On September 14 2024 06:03 Magic Powers wrote:Thanks for the source! It states: "What didn't happen, according to interviews with a dozen local, county and officials as well as city police data, was any general rise in violent or property crime. Wages didn't collapse, but surged with a rising number of job openings in a labor market that remained tight until recently." This doesn't look like a crisis to me, more like the opposite. Right, it all looks good when you cherry pick out one paragraph and ignore the 2 previous paragraphs of the article "Enrollment in Medicaid and federal food assistance and welfare programs surged. So did rents and vehicle accidents, including a collision last year when a Haitian without a U.S. driver's license drove into a school bus, killing 11-year-old Aiden Clark and injuring 26 other children. The number of affordable housing vouchers fell as landlords moved to market-based rents that were rising in the face of higher demand, a blow to existing residents relying on them." To me it looks like the following: Vance allowed all those migrants in... What are you referencing here? Does JD Vance have some gatekeeper powers for who gets into Ohio that I'm not aware of? Does he not? As a senator isn't the immigration quota and such things his responsibility? I mean someone has to make that decision. Anyone in the United States is free to travel and settle in any other state. There’s nothing at the borders between states except “Welcome to [state] signs and maybe a visitor center. Of the millions of people let into the country recently nobody is controlling if any of them go to Springfield Ohio. Abbott has been erecting barbed wire and checkpoints between Texas and New Mexico to prevent new Mexicans entering Texas from that route. Is Abbott trying to prevent new Mexicans or New Mexicans? Or both? New Mexicans.
Touché.
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On September 15 2024 00:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2024 00:12 KwarK wrote:On September 14 2024 13:42 BlackJack wrote:On September 14 2024 08:57 Magic Powers wrote:On September 14 2024 07:34 BlackJack wrote:On September 14 2024 06:45 Magic Powers wrote:On September 14 2024 06:07 BlackJack wrote:On September 14 2024 06:03 Magic Powers wrote:On September 14 2024 05:55 BlackJack wrote:On September 14 2024 05:27 Gorsameth wrote:
[quote]So it is, seems I skimmed over that. My apologies.
Still an incredibly stupid thing that no one would be talking about if not for Trumps (and other Republicans) mad screeching. Yes technically true. If Trump didn't mention it at the debate there would never be a genesis to the discussion. But the discussion also never would have happened if Serm just said "Trump said immigrants are eating cats. What a moron." He had to add the claim that "the population of the town hasn't increased significantly" that I objected to. @MP A recent surge in immigration has been too fast and recent to be captured yet in population estimates. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/haitian-immigrants-fueled-springfields-growth-now-us-presidential-debate-2024-09-11/ Thanks for the source! It states: "What didn't happen, according to interviews with a dozen local, county and officials as well as city police data, was any general rise in violent or property crime. Wages didn't collapse, but surged with a rising number of job openings in a labor market that remained tight until recently." This doesn't look like a crisis to me, more like the opposite. Right, it all looks good when you cherry pick out one paragraph and ignore the 2 previous paragraphs of the article "Enrollment in Medicaid and federal food assistance and welfare programs surged. So did rents and vehicle accidents, including a collision last year when a Haitian without a U.S. driver's license drove into a school bus, killing 11-year-old Aiden Clark and injuring 26 other children. The number of affordable housing vouchers fell as landlords moved to market-based rents that were rising in the face of higher demand, a blow to existing residents relying on them." To me it looks like the following: Vance allowed all those migrants in... What are you referencing here? Does JD Vance have some gatekeeper powers for who gets into Ohio that I'm not aware of? Does he not? As a senator isn't the immigration quota and such things his responsibility? I mean someone has to make that decision. Anyone in the United States is free to travel and settle in any other state. There’s nothing at the borders between states except “Welcome to [state] signs and maybe a visitor center. Of the millions of people let into the country recently nobody is controlling if any of them go to Springfield Ohio. Abbott has been erecting barbed wire and checkpoints between Texas and New Mexico to prevent new Mexicans entering Texas from that route. Is Abbott trying to prevent new Mexicans or New Mexicans? Or both?
What’s the difference between those two things? It’s obviously done to stop migrants from Central America coming into Texas but I bet Kwark would argue that once the migrants get into New Mexico they have become New Mexican
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On September 15 2024 04:25 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2024 00:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 15 2024 00:12 KwarK wrote:On September 14 2024 13:42 BlackJack wrote:On September 14 2024 08:57 Magic Powers wrote:On September 14 2024 07:34 BlackJack wrote:On September 14 2024 06:45 Magic Powers wrote:On September 14 2024 06:07 BlackJack wrote:On September 14 2024 06:03 Magic Powers wrote:Thanks for the source! It states: "What didn't happen, according to interviews with a dozen local, county and officials as well as city police data, was any general rise in violent or property crime. Wages didn't collapse, but surged with a rising number of job openings in a labor market that remained tight until recently." This doesn't look like a crisis to me, more like the opposite. Right, it all looks good when you cherry pick out one paragraph and ignore the 2 previous paragraphs of the article "Enrollment in Medicaid and federal food assistance and welfare programs surged. So did rents and vehicle accidents, including a collision last year when a Haitian without a U.S. driver's license drove into a school bus, killing 11-year-old Aiden Clark and injuring 26 other children. The number of affordable housing vouchers fell as landlords moved to market-based rents that were rising in the face of higher demand, a blow to existing residents relying on them." To me it looks like the following: Vance allowed all those migrants in... What are you referencing here? Does JD Vance have some gatekeeper powers for who gets into Ohio that I'm not aware of? Does he not? As a senator isn't the immigration quota and such things his responsibility? I mean someone has to make that decision. Anyone in the United States is free to travel and settle in any other state. There’s nothing at the borders between states except “Welcome to [state] signs and maybe a visitor center. Of the millions of people let into the country recently nobody is controlling if any of them go to Springfield Ohio. Abbott has been erecting barbed wire and checkpoints between Texas and New Mexico to prevent new Mexicans entering Texas from that route. Is Abbott trying to prevent new Mexicans or New Mexicans? Or both? What’s the difference between those two things? It’s obviously done to stop migrants from Central America coming into Texas but I bet Kwark would argue that once the migrants get into New Mexico they have become New Mexican
I didn't know if there was going to be a distinction between *immigrants entering the country illegally* vs. *legal migrants moving from one state to another*. The Haitian migrants in Ohio who are here legally, for example, may be affecting those cities in positive and negative ways, but it wouldn't make sense to kick them out of the country... because they're legally allowed to be here. (As opposed to illegal immigrants... although Trump has said he wants to deport people who are here legally too.)
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On September 15 2024 04:33 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2024 04:25 BlackJack wrote:On September 15 2024 00:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 15 2024 00:12 KwarK wrote:On September 14 2024 13:42 BlackJack wrote:On September 14 2024 08:57 Magic Powers wrote:On September 14 2024 07:34 BlackJack wrote:On September 14 2024 06:45 Magic Powers wrote:On September 14 2024 06:07 BlackJack wrote:On September 14 2024 06:03 Magic Powers wrote:
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Thanks for the source!
It states:
"What didn't happen, according to interviews with a dozen local, county and officials as well as city police data, was any general rise in violent or property crime. Wages didn't collapse, but surged with a rising number of job openings in a labor market that remained tight until recently."
This doesn't look like a crisis to me, more like the opposite.
Right, it all looks good when you cherry pick out one paragraph and ignore the 2 previous paragraphs of the article "Enrollment in Medicaid and federal food assistance and welfare programs surged. So did rents and vehicle accidents, including a collision last year when a Haitian without a U.S. driver's license drove into a school bus, killing 11-year-old Aiden Clark and injuring 26 other children. The number of affordable housing vouchers fell as landlords moved to market-based rents that were rising in the face of higher demand, a blow to existing residents relying on them." To me it looks like the following: Vance allowed all those migrants in... What are you referencing here? Does JD Vance have some gatekeeper powers for who gets into Ohio that I'm not aware of? Does he not? As a senator isn't the immigration quota and such things his responsibility? I mean someone has to make that decision. Anyone in the United States is free to travel and settle in any other state. There’s nothing at the borders between states except “Welcome to [state] signs and maybe a visitor center. Of the millions of people let into the country recently nobody is controlling if any of them go to Springfield Ohio. Abbott has been erecting barbed wire and checkpoints between Texas and New Mexico to prevent new Mexicans entering Texas from that route. Is Abbott trying to prevent new Mexicans or New Mexicans? Or both? What’s the difference between those two things? It’s obviously done to stop migrants from Central America coming into Texas but I bet Kwark would argue that once the migrants get into New Mexico they have become New Mexican I didn't know if there was going to be a distinction between *immigrants entering the country illegally* vs. *legal migrants moving from one state to another*. The Haitian migrants in Ohio who are here legally, for example, may be affecting those cities in positive and negative ways, but it wouldn't make sense to kick them out of the country... because they're legally allowed to be here. (As opposed to illegal immigrants... although Trump has said he wants to deport people who are here legally too.)
There's a pretty big clue here. The fencing is set up along the banks of the Rio Grande river. If you're here legally you generally wouldn't cross from one state to another by wading through a dangerous river.
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On September 15 2024 04:44 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2024 04:33 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 15 2024 04:25 BlackJack wrote:On September 15 2024 00:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 15 2024 00:12 KwarK wrote:On September 14 2024 13:42 BlackJack wrote:On September 14 2024 08:57 Magic Powers wrote:On September 14 2024 07:34 BlackJack wrote:On September 14 2024 06:45 Magic Powers wrote:On September 14 2024 06:07 BlackJack wrote:
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Right, it all looks good when you cherry pick out one paragraph and ignore the 2 previous paragraphs of the article
"Enrollment in Medicaid and federal food assistance and welfare programs surged. So did rents and vehicle accidents, including a collision last year when a Haitian without a U.S. driver's license drove into a school bus, killing 11-year-old Aiden Clark and injuring 26 other children.
The number of affordable housing vouchers fell as landlords moved to market-based rents that were rising in the face of higher demand, a blow to existing residents relying on them." To me it looks like the following: Vance allowed all those migrants in... What are you referencing here? Does JD Vance have some gatekeeper powers for who gets into Ohio that I'm not aware of? Does he not? As a senator isn't the immigration quota and such things his responsibility? I mean someone has to make that decision. Anyone in the United States is free to travel and settle in any other state. There’s nothing at the borders between states except “Welcome to [state] signs and maybe a visitor center. Of the millions of people let into the country recently nobody is controlling if any of them go to Springfield Ohio. Abbott has been erecting barbed wire and checkpoints between Texas and New Mexico to prevent new Mexicans entering Texas from that route. Is Abbott trying to prevent new Mexicans or New Mexicans? Or both? What’s the difference between those two things? It’s obviously done to stop migrants from Central America coming into Texas but I bet Kwark would argue that once the migrants get into New Mexico they have become New Mexican I didn't know if there was going to be a distinction between *immigrants entering the country illegally* vs. *legal migrants moving from one state to another*. The Haitian migrants in Ohio who are here legally, for example, may be affecting those cities in positive and negative ways, but it wouldn't make sense to kick them out of the country... because they're legally allowed to be here. (As opposed to illegal immigrants... although Trump has said he wants to deport people who are here legally too.) There's a pretty big clue here. The fencing is set up along the banks of the Rio Grande river. If you're here legally you generally wouldn't cross from one state to another by wading through a dangerous river.
I wasn't aware of that; thanks for the clarification!
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Northern Ireland26327 Posts
On September 15 2024 04:44 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2024 04:33 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 15 2024 04:25 BlackJack wrote:On September 15 2024 00:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 15 2024 00:12 KwarK wrote:On September 14 2024 13:42 BlackJack wrote:On September 14 2024 08:57 Magic Powers wrote:On September 14 2024 07:34 BlackJack wrote:On September 14 2024 06:45 Magic Powers wrote:On September 14 2024 06:07 BlackJack wrote:
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Right, it all looks good when you cherry pick out one paragraph and ignore the 2 previous paragraphs of the article
"Enrollment in Medicaid and federal food assistance and welfare programs surged. So did rents and vehicle accidents, including a collision last year when a Haitian without a U.S. driver's license drove into a school bus, killing 11-year-old Aiden Clark and injuring 26 other children.
The number of affordable housing vouchers fell as landlords moved to market-based rents that were rising in the face of higher demand, a blow to existing residents relying on them." To me it looks like the following: Vance allowed all those migrants in... What are you referencing here? Does JD Vance have some gatekeeper powers for who gets into Ohio that I'm not aware of? Does he not? As a senator isn't the immigration quota and such things his responsibility? I mean someone has to make that decision. Anyone in the United States is free to travel and settle in any other state. There’s nothing at the borders between states except “Welcome to [state] signs and maybe a visitor center. Of the millions of people let into the country recently nobody is controlling if any of them go to Springfield Ohio. Abbott has been erecting barbed wire and checkpoints between Texas and New Mexico to prevent new Mexicans entering Texas from that route. Is Abbott trying to prevent new Mexicans or New Mexicans? Or both? What’s the difference between those two things? It’s obviously done to stop migrants from Central America coming into Texas but I bet Kwark would argue that once the migrants get into New Mexico they have become New Mexican I didn't know if there was going to be a distinction between *immigrants entering the country illegally* vs. *legal migrants moving from one state to another*. The Haitian migrants in Ohio who are here legally, for example, may be affecting those cities in positive and negative ways, but it wouldn't make sense to kick them out of the country... because they're legally allowed to be here. (As opposed to illegal immigrants... although Trump has said he wants to deport people who are here legally too.) There's a pretty big clue here. The fencing is set up along the banks of the Rio Grande river. If you're here legally you generally wouldn't cross from one state to another by wading through a dangerous river.
One would assume Haitians who can migrate legally don’t fly in to Mexico just to bound the Rio Grande as some sort of challenge.
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On September 15 2024 04:50 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2024 04:44 BlackJack wrote:On September 15 2024 04:33 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 15 2024 04:25 BlackJack wrote:On September 15 2024 00:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 15 2024 00:12 KwarK wrote:On September 14 2024 13:42 BlackJack wrote:On September 14 2024 08:57 Magic Powers wrote:On September 14 2024 07:34 BlackJack wrote:On September 14 2024 06:45 Magic Powers wrote:
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To me it looks like the following: Vance allowed all those migrants in... What are you referencing here? Does JD Vance have some gatekeeper powers for who gets into Ohio that I'm not aware of? Does he not? As a senator isn't the immigration quota and such things his responsibility? I mean someone has to make that decision. Anyone in the United States is free to travel and settle in any other state. There’s nothing at the borders between states except “Welcome to [state] signs and maybe a visitor center. Of the millions of people let into the country recently nobody is controlling if any of them go to Springfield Ohio. Abbott has been erecting barbed wire and checkpoints between Texas and New Mexico to prevent new Mexicans entering Texas from that route. Is Abbott trying to prevent new Mexicans or New Mexicans? Or both? What’s the difference between those two things? It’s obviously done to stop migrants from Central America coming into Texas but I bet Kwark would argue that once the migrants get into New Mexico they have become New Mexican I didn't know if there was going to be a distinction between *immigrants entering the country illegally* vs. *legal migrants moving from one state to another*. The Haitian migrants in Ohio who are here legally, for example, may be affecting those cities in positive and negative ways, but it wouldn't make sense to kick them out of the country... because they're legally allowed to be here. (As opposed to illegal immigrants... although Trump has said he wants to deport people who are here legally too.) There's a pretty big clue here. The fencing is set up along the banks of the Rio Grande river. If you're here legally you generally wouldn't cross from one state to another by wading through a dangerous river. One would assume Haitians who can migrate legally don’t fly in to Mexico just to bound the Rio Grande as some sort of challenge.
It's worth noting that DPB mentioned that the Haitian migrants are "here legally" not that they "migrated legally." 300,000 Haitians already living here were given temporary protective status by the Biden administration which protects them from deportation and allows them to legally work. His post reads as "we shouldn't deport people that we've just given protection against deportation to"
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United States43651 Posts
On September 15 2024 04:25 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2024 00:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 15 2024 00:12 KwarK wrote:On September 14 2024 13:42 BlackJack wrote:On September 14 2024 08:57 Magic Powers wrote:On September 14 2024 07:34 BlackJack wrote:On September 14 2024 06:45 Magic Powers wrote:On September 14 2024 06:07 BlackJack wrote:On September 14 2024 06:03 Magic Powers wrote:Thanks for the source! It states: "What didn't happen, according to interviews with a dozen local, county and officials as well as city police data, was any general rise in violent or property crime. Wages didn't collapse, but surged with a rising number of job openings in a labor market that remained tight until recently." This doesn't look like a crisis to me, more like the opposite. Right, it all looks good when you cherry pick out one paragraph and ignore the 2 previous paragraphs of the article "Enrollment in Medicaid and federal food assistance and welfare programs surged. So did rents and vehicle accidents, including a collision last year when a Haitian without a U.S. driver's license drove into a school bus, killing 11-year-old Aiden Clark and injuring 26 other children. The number of affordable housing vouchers fell as landlords moved to market-based rents that were rising in the face of higher demand, a blow to existing residents relying on them." To me it looks like the following: Vance allowed all those migrants in... What are you referencing here? Does JD Vance have some gatekeeper powers for who gets into Ohio that I'm not aware of? Does he not? As a senator isn't the immigration quota and such things his responsibility? I mean someone has to make that decision. Anyone in the United States is free to travel and settle in any other state. There’s nothing at the borders between states except “Welcome to [state] signs and maybe a visitor center. Of the millions of people let into the country recently nobody is controlling if any of them go to Springfield Ohio. Abbott has been erecting barbed wire and checkpoints between Texas and New Mexico to prevent new Mexicans entering Texas from that route. Is Abbott trying to prevent new Mexicans or New Mexicans? Or both? What’s the difference between those two things? It’s obviously done to stop migrants from Central America coming into Texas but I bet Kwark would argue that once the migrants get into New Mexico they have become New Mexican
And I bet you would argue that Hitler was right, thus making you the bad guy. Checkmate.
If you're going to engage in imagining an argument that some other person made then do it properly.
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On September 15 2024 06:45 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2024 04:25 BlackJack wrote:On September 15 2024 00:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 15 2024 00:12 KwarK wrote:On September 14 2024 13:42 BlackJack wrote:On September 14 2024 08:57 Magic Powers wrote:On September 14 2024 07:34 BlackJack wrote:On September 14 2024 06:45 Magic Powers wrote:On September 14 2024 06:07 BlackJack wrote:On September 14 2024 06:03 Magic Powers wrote:
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Thanks for the source!
It states:
"What didn't happen, according to interviews with a dozen local, county and officials as well as city police data, was any general rise in violent or property crime. Wages didn't collapse, but surged with a rising number of job openings in a labor market that remained tight until recently."
This doesn't look like a crisis to me, more like the opposite.
Right, it all looks good when you cherry pick out one paragraph and ignore the 2 previous paragraphs of the article "Enrollment in Medicaid and federal food assistance and welfare programs surged. So did rents and vehicle accidents, including a collision last year when a Haitian without a U.S. driver's license drove into a school bus, killing 11-year-old Aiden Clark and injuring 26 other children. The number of affordable housing vouchers fell as landlords moved to market-based rents that were rising in the face of higher demand, a blow to existing residents relying on them." To me it looks like the following: Vance allowed all those migrants in... What are you referencing here? Does JD Vance have some gatekeeper powers for who gets into Ohio that I'm not aware of? Does he not? As a senator isn't the immigration quota and such things his responsibility? I mean someone has to make that decision. Anyone in the United States is free to travel and settle in any other state. There’s nothing at the borders between states except “Welcome to [state] signs and maybe a visitor center. Of the millions of people let into the country recently nobody is controlling if any of them go to Springfield Ohio. Abbott has been erecting barbed wire and checkpoints between Texas and New Mexico to prevent new Mexicans entering Texas from that route. Is Abbott trying to prevent new Mexicans or New Mexicans? Or both? What’s the difference between those two things? It’s obviously done to stop migrants from Central America coming into Texas but I bet Kwark would argue that once the migrants get into New Mexico they have become New Mexican And I bet you would argue that Hitler was right, thus making you the bad guy. Checkmate. If you're going to engage in imagining an argument that some other person made then do it properly.
What's your point then? You said "New Mexicans" with a capital N. Do you believe Abbot is trying to prevent the legal residents of New Mexico from coming into Texas?
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On September 15 2024 06:58 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2024 06:45 KwarK wrote:On September 15 2024 04:25 BlackJack wrote:On September 15 2024 00:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 15 2024 00:12 KwarK wrote:On September 14 2024 13:42 BlackJack wrote:On September 14 2024 08:57 Magic Powers wrote:On September 14 2024 07:34 BlackJack wrote:On September 14 2024 06:45 Magic Powers wrote:On September 14 2024 06:07 BlackJack wrote:
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Right, it all looks good when you cherry pick out one paragraph and ignore the 2 previous paragraphs of the article
"Enrollment in Medicaid and federal food assistance and welfare programs surged. So did rents and vehicle accidents, including a collision last year when a Haitian without a U.S. driver's license drove into a school bus, killing 11-year-old Aiden Clark and injuring 26 other children.
The number of affordable housing vouchers fell as landlords moved to market-based rents that were rising in the face of higher demand, a blow to existing residents relying on them." To me it looks like the following: Vance allowed all those migrants in... What are you referencing here? Does JD Vance have some gatekeeper powers for who gets into Ohio that I'm not aware of? Does he not? As a senator isn't the immigration quota and such things his responsibility? I mean someone has to make that decision. Anyone in the United States is free to travel and settle in any other state. There’s nothing at the borders between states except “Welcome to [state] signs and maybe a visitor center. Of the millions of people let into the country recently nobody is controlling if any of them go to Springfield Ohio. Abbott has been erecting barbed wire and checkpoints between Texas and New Mexico to prevent new Mexicans entering Texas from that route. Is Abbott trying to prevent new Mexicans or New Mexicans? Or both? What’s the difference between those two things? It’s obviously done to stop migrants from Central America coming into Texas but I bet Kwark would argue that once the migrants get into New Mexico they have become New Mexican And I bet you would argue that Hitler was right, thus making you the bad guy. Checkmate. If you're going to engage in imagining an argument that some other person made then do it properly. What's your point then? You said "New Mexicans" with a capital N. Do you believe Abbot is trying to prevent the legal residents of New Mexico from coming into Texas?
Kwarks point was clearly the (funny) ambiguity of having the "new" as the first word in the post, which would be capitalized in both cases being the first word.
"New Mexicans" at the beginning of a post/sentence can mean "new Mexicans" and "New Mexicans" both. That is kinda funny as a reply to a post asking which is meant.
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On September 15 2024 07:23 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2024 06:58 BlackJack wrote:On September 15 2024 06:45 KwarK wrote:On September 15 2024 04:25 BlackJack wrote:On September 15 2024 00:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 15 2024 00:12 KwarK wrote:On September 14 2024 13:42 BlackJack wrote:On September 14 2024 08:57 Magic Powers wrote:On September 14 2024 07:34 BlackJack wrote:On September 14 2024 06:45 Magic Powers wrote:
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To me it looks like the following: Vance allowed all those migrants in... What are you referencing here? Does JD Vance have some gatekeeper powers for who gets into Ohio that I'm not aware of? Does he not? As a senator isn't the immigration quota and such things his responsibility? I mean someone has to make that decision. Anyone in the United States is free to travel and settle in any other state. There’s nothing at the borders between states except “Welcome to [state] signs and maybe a visitor center. Of the millions of people let into the country recently nobody is controlling if any of them go to Springfield Ohio. Abbott has been erecting barbed wire and checkpoints between Texas and New Mexico to prevent new Mexicans entering Texas from that route. Is Abbott trying to prevent new Mexicans or New Mexicans? Or both? What’s the difference between those two things? It’s obviously done to stop migrants from Central America coming into Texas but I bet Kwark would argue that once the migrants get into New Mexico they have become New Mexican And I bet you would argue that Hitler was right, thus making you the bad guy. Checkmate. If you're going to engage in imagining an argument that some other person made then do it properly. What's your point then? You said "New Mexicans" with a capital N. Do you believe Abbot is trying to prevent the legal residents of New Mexico from coming into Texas? Kwarks point was clearly the (funny) ambiguity of having the "new" as the first word in the post, which would be capitalized in both cases being the first word. "New Mexicans" at the beginning of a post/sentence can mean "new Mexicans" and "New Mexicans" both. That is kinda funny as a reply to a post asking which is meant.
I see. thanks for clarifying
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On September 15 2024 07:23 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2024 06:58 BlackJack wrote:On September 15 2024 06:45 KwarK wrote:On September 15 2024 04:25 BlackJack wrote:On September 15 2024 00:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 15 2024 00:12 KwarK wrote:On September 14 2024 13:42 BlackJack wrote:On September 14 2024 08:57 Magic Powers wrote:On September 14 2024 07:34 BlackJack wrote:On September 14 2024 06:45 Magic Powers wrote:
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To me it looks like the following: Vance allowed all those migrants in... What are you referencing here? Does JD Vance have some gatekeeper powers for who gets into Ohio that I'm not aware of? Does he not? As a senator isn't the immigration quota and such things his responsibility? I mean someone has to make that decision. Anyone in the United States is free to travel and settle in any other state. There’s nothing at the borders between states except “Welcome to [state] signs and maybe a visitor center. Of the millions of people let into the country recently nobody is controlling if any of them go to Springfield Ohio. Abbott has been erecting barbed wire and checkpoints between Texas and New Mexico to prevent new Mexicans entering Texas from that route. Is Abbott trying to prevent new Mexicans or New Mexicans? Or both? What’s the difference between those two things? It’s obviously done to stop migrants from Central America coming into Texas but I bet Kwark would argue that once the migrants get into New Mexico they have become New Mexican And I bet you would argue that Hitler was right, thus making you the bad guy. Checkmate. If you're going to engage in imagining an argument that some other person made then do it properly. What's your point then? You said "New Mexicans" with a capital N. Do you believe Abbot is trying to prevent the legal residents of New Mexico from coming into Texas? Kwarks point was clearly the (funny) ambiguity of having the "new" as the first word in the post, which would be capitalized in both cases being the first word. "New Mexicans" at the beginning of a post/sentence can mean "new Mexicans" and "New Mexicans" both. That is kinda funny as a reply to a post asking which is meant.
Yup, hence my "Touché." response.
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as a person who generally avoids capital letters as a rule, that sailed right over my head. so i too appreciate the clarity.
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What’s the grief against Mexican immigrants?
In Europe there is an anti immigrant sentiment that is directed towards Muslims and black people. But i assume the basis for the hostility towards Latino migrants is built on as different basis.
It feels kind of strange from him because you would never have, say, an anti Spanish sentiment in France and the target of the anti immigration sentiment are people who are culturally further away.
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They are darker. They speak spanish. There is a perception they drive down wages.
Not saying any of those things are valid reasons to discriminate but thats what I would expect as an American.
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On September 15 2024 22:30 Sadist wrote:
They are darker. They speak spanish. There is a perception they drive down wages.
Not saying any of those things are valid reasons to discriminate but thats what I would expect as an American.
You're forgetting that they're all drug dealers.
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