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Slydie
1884 Posts
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RvB
Netherlands6190 Posts
On July 26 2024 06:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Would you or someone else mind summarizing (or posting an accurate article about) whatever recently happened with this whole Netanyahu visiting / people protesting (anti-Israel? pro-Palestine? pro-Hamas?) / burning flags / were people violent, etc.? I'd really like some context, if you don't mind  The letter is in response to pro Hamas protestors: At least six people were arrested in the protest of thousands, which featured antisemitic and pro-Hamas slogans and signs, the vandalism of property, the torching of an effigy of Netanyahu and the burning of an American flag. A number of protesters waved Hamas flags, and wore the inverted red triangle Hamas uses to identify targets for its violence. One man waved a placard, “Allah is gathering all the Zionists for the ‘Final Solution,’” a reference to the Holocaust. www.timesofisrael.com | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17833 Posts
On July 26 2024 14:53 KT_Elwood wrote: From a morale standpoint... yes ... religion isn't real and heritage shouldn't matter, so borders, races ..religions should mean nothing. But we aren't there yet so you got to think practical. ![[image loading]](https://www.israel-trail.com/wp-content/uploads/fmedia_a/07/muslimisch.png) Give jews their tiny ethnostate - which already is pluralistic and self reflected. The need for a "safe" home that's not backstabbing like europe is evident after the holocaust. In my opinion purge Hams/Hezbollah/etc. Re-Educate Gaza/westbank and hand out israeli passports to everyone who has learned that religion should be a spiritual thing - not a political tool. This will also purge the likes of netanjahu.. and oust orthodox hardliners from Israel. You seem to be treating this as a purely religious problem which is either willfully simplistic or extremely naive. Yes, Hamas uses religious language. But the tremendous support for them comes from the simple fact that Palestinians are being oppressed, and that has nothing to do with religion. The West Bank isn't being overrun with Israeli settlers because the Palestinians are Muslims, no, it's being overrun because the Israeli are modern-day colonizers. The likes of Netanyahu are fully supportive of that, and I don't see them stopping if Hamas were eradicated and the Gazans reeducated. Anyway, we have a whole separate thread for this. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10596 Posts
On July 26 2024 15:19 Slydie wrote: The real attacks on Harris have started. "Childless cat lady", will it work? https://edition.cnn.com/2024/07/25/politics/video/the-lead-elizabeth-wagmeister-jennifer-aniston-jd-vance-ivf-cat-lady-jake-tapper Judging from my extensive research on reddit we are still clearly in the shit flinging phase. | ||
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lestye
United States4135 Posts
On July 26 2024 05:15 KT_Elwood wrote: Hamas' ultimate goal is to wipe jewish life off the map in what they call palastine. There is no middle ground. Do you deny the jews their own state in their ancestoral homeland - yes or no? Yes. Because if you give them a state in their ancestral homeland, you're denying it to other people who have it as their ancestral homeland. Jewish people suffering the Holocaust doesn't justify ethnic cleansing. I don't want to make this a religious argument, as opposed to a geopolitical one, but if people go there, scripture says Abraham was from Iraq. So to displace Palestenians because of a people from Iraq say thats their homeland is silly. On July 26 2024 15:19 Slydie wrote: The real attacks on Harris have started. "Childless cat lady", will it work? https://edition.cnn.com/2024/07/25/politics/video/the-lead-elizabeth-wagmeister-jennifer-aniston-jd-vance-ivf-cat-lady-jake-tapper It might work for their base, but I hope people who adopt, have step children or step parents are absolutely appalled by it. And this is especially evil considering how they try to ban IVF, reproductive services and gay adoption. Not to mention people who can't have children for medical reasons. | ||
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RenSC2
United States1039 Posts
On July 26 2024 15:44 Velr wrote: Judging from my extensive research on reddit we are still clearly in the shit flinging phase. Yeah, right now Republicans will fling as much shit at the wall and see what sticks. So far they haven’t found any really sticky ones, but I assume they will by November. This tactic is something Trump is actually good at and you’ll see him trying out new material in real-time at rallies to see what gets the right reaction. When something clicks, he’ll hammer it over and over. “Drain the swamp” and “lock her up” both come from that process and are not things Trump actually believes in. | ||
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KT_Elwood
692 Posts
In the US presidential eleciton, it seems that GOP will shit on everything. Either Biden/Harris aren't agressive enough in punishing domestic protestors that wave flags of terror orgs..or they are complicit to a genocide by Bibi Netanyahu....or they don't stand with israel..enough. Meh. | ||
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Slydie
1884 Posts
On July 26 2024 16:58 KT_Elwood wrote: The middle east conflict is affecting US (and german and many other) politics as well, because it demands politicians to take a stance. In the US presidential eleciton, it seems that GOP will shit on everything. Either Biden/Harris aren't agressive enough in punishing domestic protestors that wave flags of terror orgs..or they are complicit to a genocide by Bibi Netanyahu....or they don't stand with israel..enough. Meh. Have you seen the GOP mention a genocide by Netanyahu? I do not think that is viable for a party relying so heavily on Christian Conservative votes. I also wonder how many other foreign state leader have enjoyed the privilege of speaking before congress right before elections, multiple times. The Israeli diplomacy and propaganda machinery is absolutely amazing. | ||
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lestye
United States4135 Posts
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oBlade
United States5271 Posts
On July 26 2024 16:11 RenSC2 wrote: Yeah, right now Republicans will fling as much shit at the wall and see what sticks. So far they haven’t found any really sticky ones, but I assume they will by November. This tactic is something Trump is actually good at and you’ll see him trying out new material in real-time at rallies to see what gets the right reaction. When something clicks, he’ll hammer it over and over. “Drain the swamp” and “lock her up” both come from that process and are not things Trump actually believes in. Interesting thing is that "Lock her Up" 95% came from crowds. He would go on about corruption and sometimes mention she should be in jail, anyone else would be in jail, etc. But similar to both versions of "Let's Go Brandon" that particular chant didn't come from him. Draining the swamp is an old metaphor and although we remember him for spamming it, he might not have have been the one to originate it in the context of 2016 either. Sounds like something from rightwing or new media also. The nicknames are all him. Like multiple people have been Crooked or Lyin', the big guns like probably Commie Kamala or Cackling Kamala will come out later. | ||
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KT_Elwood
692 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21340 Posts
On July 26 2024 17:27 KT_Elwood wrote: That part is easily, if you tell Israël they can go ham that 'war' ends pretty quick. Ukraine will take longer but with Trump backing Russia and stopping all aid to Ukraine that will probably render the outcome inevitable in time.Isn't trump supposed to instantly stop the war in Israel and ukraine by the power of ...ehhm friendship? Same way Trump got out of Afghanistan, by just surrendering to the Taliban. | ||
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KT_Elwood
692 Posts
No gays, no women's rights, no abortion.. forbidden books and porn and with enough money (or violence) you can have a tradwife that hates you but won't say no. They like pickups and firearms, and they don't like centralized governments. Would be pretty contradictory to "fight" the taliban..when you are the most taliban party at home. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States43767 Posts
On July 26 2024 15:33 RvB wrote: The letter is in response to pro Hamas protestors: www.timesofisrael.com Thank you! | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States43767 Posts
On July 26 2024 15:19 Slydie wrote: The real attacks on Harris have started. "Childless cat lady", will it work? https://edition.cnn.com/2024/07/25/politics/video/the-lead-elizabeth-wagmeister-jennifer-aniston-jd-vance-ivf-cat-lady-jake-tapper It's such a weird piece of shit to fling, especially since she has two stepkids, and especially since Republicans have been shooting themselves in the foot every time they attack women's bodily autonomy, family planning, and reproductive rights. They've also started calling her a DEI pick/nominee, as if the vice president couldn't possibly be qualified to become president. It's just blatantly misogynistic and racist. | ||
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oBlade
United States5271 Posts
On July 26 2024 19:17 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: It's such a weird piece of shit to fling, especially since she has two stepkids, and especially since Republicans have been shooting themselves in the foot every time they attack women's bodily autonomy, family planning, and reproductive rights. They've also started calling her a DEI pick/nominee, as if the vice president couldn't possibly be qualified to become president. It's just blatantly misogynistic and racist. It's kind of weird for you to assume being a DEI pick is a racist or sexist attack. Those Republicans you mention were not first who as you say "started" this idea, Joe Biden, the current resident also said the same thing about 2 months ago (this was before the incident). To me, the values of diversity, equality, inclusion are literally — and this is not kidding — the core strengths of America. That’s why I’m proud to have the most diverse administration in history that taps into the full talents of our country. And it starts at the top with the Vice President. On Memorial Day, I proudly stood with a Black man — the highest order — the first Black Secretary of Defense; second Black Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff; Black woman heads of military units who are overseeing the most diverse, strongest fighting force in the history of the world. (Applause.) | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States43767 Posts
On July 26 2024 19:56 oBlade wrote: It's kind of weird for you to assume being a DEI pick is a racist or sexist attack. Dismissing qualified candidates as DEI picks has been a racist and misogynistic dog whistle ever since Republicans started using that phrase instead of criticizing the actual content of one's character. They did it with Ketanji Brown Jackson, they've done it with many others, and they're doing it with Kamala Harris. There are plenty of things one can criticize Harris over, to the point where they should never need to appeal to her sex or race. Republicans are questioning her candidacy by attacking her sex and race every time they bring up DEI, and it's a pity that they are so focused on identity politics. It's not surprising, but it's still disappointing. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland23763 Posts
Joking aside it can be merited at times, equally on others not, and there is a difference between ‘hey look it’s great we have black folks doing well in x arena’ than actively promoting unqualified candidates on that basis, and many graduations in between. And look if there’s any job where meritocracy isn’t really a factor beyond ‘can you get the votes’ it’s the Presidency. Donald Trump has been President, and conceivably could be again. Joe Biden was and was close to contending for the office again. It seems to me odd to be splitting hairs over how qualified black candidates are when we could have had a shootout between a bloke with possible senile dementia, and a bloke whose brain was rotted to begin with. Hell Hillary Clinton was as qualified as one could hope to be on paper, didn’t really help there. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland23763 Posts
On July 26 2024 20:05 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Dismissing qualified candidates as DEI picks has been a racist and misogynistic dog whistle ever since Republicans started using that phrase instead of criticizing the actual content of one's character. They did it with Ketanji Brown Jackson, they've done it with many others, and they're doing it with Kamala Harris. There are plenty of things one can criticize Harris over, to the point where they should never need to appeal to her sex or race. Republicans are questioning her candidacy by attacking her sex and race every time they bring up DEI, and it's a pity that they are so focused on identity politics. It's not surprising, but it's still disappointing. Aye this is the thing, they’ll give lip service to a hyper-focus on certain characteristics, such as race as something that is actually holding us back from moving on to something more blind to such differences. In isolation, something that has a degree of merit perhaps at times. But as you say then they just inject it back in as an attack vector. I mean perusing the thread people were quite down on Harris, then there was a bit of an uptick after she gave some strong public speaking performances. But it certainly wasn’t ’yas slay you black queen’ or anything like that. It’s quite difficult to extol the position that ‘the left’ hyperfixate on race when, on the occasions they’re not really talking about it, you start doing so. | ||
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oBlade
United States5271 Posts
On July 26 2024 20:05 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Dismissing qualified candidates as DEI picks has been a racist and misogynistic dog whistle ever since Republicans started using that phrase instead of criticizing the actual content of one's character. They did it with Ketanji Brown Jackson, they've done it with many others, and they're doing it with Kamala Harris. There are plenty of things one can criticize Harris over, to the point where they should never need to appeal to her sex or race. Republicans are questioning her candidacy by attacking her sex and race every time they bring up DEI, and it's a pity that they are so focused on identity politics. It's not surprising, but it's still disappointing. Republicans are not the ones bringing up DEI, Biden is the one who brought up their sex and race when he specifically said that's what he wanted for the job. He explicitly said that for Ketanji Brown. Democrats are incidentally the ones who brought Obama as the first black president instead of a guy who is literally half black and half white. Kamala's race is amorphous for political expediency, she has been Indian and now black. Maybe stop choosing people based on race and sex, who as you say have so many things wrong with them that you would never run out of things to criticize if you focused only on those things, while never getting around to the fact that they were chosen based on race and sex. | ||
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