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GreenHorizons
United States24028 Posts
On July 08 2024 01:33 GreenHorizons wrote: + Show Spoiler + Chris Murphy (Dem Senator) makes it sound like Democrats are giving Biden the next week to pull out of this with some town halls and press conferences saying "I take him at his word that he can do this" (a bit of paraphrase). "Personally, I love Joe Biden. I don't know that the interview on Friday night did enough to answer those questions, so I think this week is going to be absolutely critical. I think the president needs to do more," Murphy said, referencing the interview Biden did with ABC News' George Stephanopoulos. When asked by Bash if Biden should remain on the Democratic ticket, Murphy didn't concretely affirmatively or negatively answer the question and said, "I take the president at his word. He said that he believes that he is up to do this job...I believe that he can do it. But I think that this is a really critical week, I do think that the clock is ticking." www.newsweek.com Sen. Warner seems to be gathering the Dem Senators that would carry the message. Sen. Mark R. Warner (D-Va.) is attempting to assemble a group of Democratic senators to ask President Biden to exit the presidential race, according to two people with direct knowledge of the effort. www.washingtonpost.com Then there's the sitting Democrats that have already called for him pull out of the race: Five sitting Democratic lawmakers have now called for President Joe Biden to step down as the party's presidential nominee after his performance at the first presidential debate last week. www.newsweek.com And I suspect Jeffries' meeting has a similar vibe: www.nytimes.com Starting to sound more like the week is for time to get a unified message to oust Biden. During a virtual meeting convened by Representative Hakeem Jeffries of New York, the minority leader, Representative Jerrold Nadler of New York, the top Democrat on the Judiciary Committee, and at least one other senior Democrat said they believed it was time for President Biden to exit the race, according to a person briefed on the still-ongoing session who insisted on anonymity to describe it. www.nytimes.com Democrats letting Biden get away without having a primary has already been disastrous, but if Biden forces Democrats to go fully public/unambiguous with their push to have him step away from the nomination, I don't think Democrats will be able to recover. | ||
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On July 08 2024 05:22 micronesia wrote: If Biden announces right now "On reflection, the right thing for me to do is step down so someone else can run for president with my blessing and support" do you all think the Democrats will recover? I've seen in the media/etc a lot of calls for Biden to step down without much evidence that such an act will actually increase the odds of Trump losing the general election, or much of a plan for an alternate being floated. I think framing it as “will they recover” isn’t quite the right fit for this situation. I described it to my friend as either cutting off your own finger or cutting off your own hand. Both are terrible but one is clearly way worse. Whether democrats win after ditching Biden is beside the point because ditching Biden is mandatory. Better to focus on it happening quickly to increase chances of a new candidate convincing people they are worth voting for. | ||
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GreenHorizons
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On July 08 2024 05:22 micronesia wrote: If Biden announces right now "On reflection, the right thing for me to do is step down so someone else can run for president with my blessing and support" do you all think the Democrats will recover? I've seen in the media/etc a lot of calls for Biden to step down without much evidence that such an act will actually increase the odds of Trump losing the general election, or much of a plan for an alternate being floated. It'd give them a better shot, but getting back to a coin flip is probably the best they can do under any scenario other than maybe having Biden do that with the entire party, media, and a bunch of never Trumpers glazing the shit out of Michelle Obama and how great it is everyone picked her to replace him the same day. Including Kamala who is excited to give up her spot on the ticket so Michelle can pick a VP that fills Biden's role under Barack. I'm increasingly not seeing a way out of this that Democrats would actually be able to pull off. | ||
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- Oh, sweet. That's the one you want. : The Thomas 3000! BARRY: Smoker? BEEKEEPER #1: Ninety puffs a minute, semi-automatic. Twice the nicotine, all the tar. : A couple breaths of this knocks them right out. BEEKEEPER #2: They make the honey, and we make the money. BARRY: "They make the honey, and we make the money"? (The Beekeeper sprays hundreds of cheap miniature apartments with the smoker. The bees are fainting or passing out) Oh, my! : What's going on? Are you OK? (Barry flies into one of the apartment and helps a Bee couple get off the ground. They are coughing and its hard for them to stand) BEE IN APARTMENT: Yeah. It doesn't last too long. BARRY: Do you know you're in a fake hive with fake walls? BEE IN APPARTMENT: Our queen was moved here. We had no choice. (The apartment room is completely empty except for a photo on the wall of the "queen" who is obviously a man in women's clothes) BARRY: This is your queen? That's a man in women's clothes! : That's a drag queen! : What is this? (Barry flies out and he discovers that there are hundreds of these structures, each housing thousands of Bees) Oh, no! : There's hundreds of them! (Barry takes out his camera and takes pictures of these Bee work camps. The beekeepers look very evil in these depictions) Bee honey. : Our honey is being brazenly stolen on a massive scale! : This is worse than anything bears have done! I intend to do something. (Flash forward in time and Barry is showing these pictures to his parents) JANET: Oh, Barry, stop. MARTIN: Who told you humans are taking our honey? That's a rumor. BARRY: Do these look like rumors? (Holds up the pictures) UNCLE CARL: That's a conspiracy theory. These are obviously doctored photos. JANET: How did you get mixed up in this? ADAM: He's been talking to humans. JANET: - What? MARTIN: - Talking to humans?! ADAM: He has a human girlfriend. And they make out! JANET: Make out? Barry! BARRY: We do not. | ||
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On July 08 2024 05:22 micronesia wrote: If Biden announces right now "On reflection, the right thing for me to do is step down so someone else can run for president with my blessing and support" do you all think the Democrats will recover? I've seen in the media/etc a lot of calls for Biden to step down without much evidence that such an act will actually increase the odds of Trump losing the general election, or much of a plan for an alternate being floated. Kamala is polling only marginally better than a wax figure of Biden but it's worth a shot I guess, and the sooner she can start campaigning the better. Biden has been declining too fast these past few years, who knows what state November would catch him in, if he takes a fall at this point I'm afraid the election will be between Trump and a dustbin of Biden shards. | ||
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Zambrah
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Whoever they replace Biden with would more or less just carry on his policies with a different face and hopefully more youth and energy. | ||
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On July 08 2024 05:03 GreenHorizons wrote: Starting to sound more like the week is for time to get a unified message to oust Biden. www.nytimes.com Democrats letting Biden get away without having a primary has already been disastrous, but if Biden forces Democrats to go fully public/unambiguous with their push to have him step away from the nomination, I don't think Democrats will be able to recover. We agree for very different reasons but Biden needs to go ASAP. | ||
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GreenHorizons
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On July 08 2024 08:58 Zambrah wrote: Im not sure how much of a plan you super really need for Biden stepping down, he isnt a policy mastermind, hes just sort of there for branding really, and he isnt even really integral to branding beyond being an incumbent president which obviously does matter some. Whoever they replace Biden with would more or less just carry on his policies with a different face and hopefully more youth and energy. The problem is basically that Democrats should have stopped Grandpa before he left the house with his keys, instead they rode shotgun onto the freeway via an off ramp. Now they're doing 120 into oncoming traffic on the freeway in a cybertruck with a stuck accelerator pedal trying to figure out how to switch drivers. Oh and Grandpa insists he's still got this under control and he'll only give the wheel to Jesus. It's probably just too late for this not to be calamitous. Democrats certainly have more screw ups in them, but they may have already made some they can't survive. | ||
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Zambrah
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I still dont feel particularly good about the possible candidates they have, none of them are people I consider particularly motivating or inspirational, just a pack of lame ass DNC goons, but a lame ass DNC goon is a little better than Biden at the moment I guess. Id say this moment may serve as a lesson for the Democrats but I dont even vaguely believe theyll ever learn any meaningful lessons by virtue of their awful prehistoric leadership and/or by virtue of Republican fascists installing a christo-fascist by the time lessons can even be learned lol | ||
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GreenHorizons
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On July 08 2024 09:42 Zambrah wrote: I dunno, its a Versus Trump election, really all they need is someone who both Isnt Trump and isnt actively demotivating, which Biden very much is at the moment, this debate was obviously a calamity for Biden, but I think the situation is salvageable by virtue of Trump being motivating to vote against. I still dont feel particularly good about the possible candidates they have, none of them are people I consider particularly motivating or inspirational, just a pack of lame ass DNC goons, but a lame ass DNC goon is a little better than Biden at the moment I guess. Id say this moment may serve as a lesson for the Democrats but I dont even vaguely believe theyll ever learn any meaningful lessons by virtue of their awful prehistoric leadership and/or by virtue of Republican fascists installing a christo-fascist by the time lessons can even be learned lol You're not exactly wrong, it's just that Democrat's centrist coalition is as fractured as it was before they consolidated around Biden. If they could consolidate around anyone else, they would have in 2020 (remember that Biden was very few Democrats first choice). Harris wasn't even going to finish top 3 in her home state during the primary. She's wasn't in the early replacement talks because she's so far down the list of people that coalition would prefer to coalesce around despite being the most obvious choice based on the US system. | ||
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