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FlaShFTW
United States10236 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45050 Posts
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/rep-marjorie-taylor-greene-files-motion-oust-mike-johnson-house-speake-rcna134385 Hopefully, Republicans lose their Congressional control in November, as a result of this nonsense. | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10236 Posts
On March 23 2024 00:52 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Marjorie Taylor Greene has officially filed a motion to vacate Speaker Mike Johnson. Congressional Republicans are trying to throw out their own Republican leader for the second time in a row (first was Kevin McCarthy). KM wasn't extreme enough for the right-wing MAGA politicians, so he was replaced by a significantly more extreme MJ... who, apparently, now isn't extreme enough. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/rep-marjorie-taylor-greene-files-motion-oust-mike-johnson-house-speake-rcna134385 Hopefully, Republicans lose their Congressional control in November, as a result of this nonsense. Think it's likely they lose the House, the problem is that we're gonna still be in gridlock with a pretty bad Senate race this year unless Dems pull a miracle. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45050 Posts
On March 23 2024 00:56 FlaShFTW wrote: Think it's likely they lose the House, the problem is that we're gonna still be in gridlock with a pretty bad Senate race this year unless Dems pull a miracle. And unfortunately, that may be an understatement: "There are 33 U.S. Senate seats up for regular election in 2024—10 seats held by Republicans, 20 held by Democrats, and three held by independents who caucus with Democrats." https://ballotpedia.org/United_States_Senate_elections,_2024 Some of those states could definitely swing in either direction, too. | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10236 Posts
On March 23 2024 01:08 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: And unfortunately, that may be an understatement: "There are 33 U.S. Senate seats up for regular election in 2024—10 seats held by Republicans, 20 held by Democrats, and three held by independents who caucus with Democrats." https://ballotpedia.org/United_States_Senate_elections,_2024 Some of those states could definitely swing in either direction, too. Dems need to run the gauntlet, which they did in 2022 to keep their bare majority. Feels like it's always this in every election due to how our electoral system works. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21953 Posts
On March 23 2024 00:52 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Marjorie Taylor Greene has officially filed a motion to vacate Speaker Mike Johnson. Congressional Republicans are trying to throw out their own Republican leader for the second time in a row (first was Kevin McCarthy). KM wasn't extreme enough for the right-wing MAGA politicians, so he was replaced by a significantly more extreme MJ... who, apparently, now isn't extreme enough. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/rep-marjorie-taylor-greene-files-motion-oust-mike-johnson-house-speake-rcna134385 Hopefully, Republicans lose their Congressional control in November, as a result of this nonsense. And the Republican majority has further shrunk since last time, assuming the Democrats vote to vacate again only a few votes are needed to throw the Republicans back into chaos. | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10236 Posts
April 19th, Republicans will have a 1 vote majority. Oh. My. Goodness. | ||
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oBlade
United States5765 Posts
On March 23 2024 00:52 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Marjorie Taylor Greene has officially filed a motion to vacate Speaker Mike Johnson. Congressional Republicans are trying to throw out their own Republican leader for the second time in a row (first was Kevin McCarthy). KM wasn't extreme enough for the right-wing MAGA politicians, so he was replaced by a significantly more extreme MJ... who, apparently, now isn't extreme enough. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/rep-marjorie-taylor-greene-files-motion-oust-mike-johnson-house-speake-rcna134385 Hopefully, Republicans lose their Congressional control in November, as a result of this nonsense. Oh no  That's just awful news. God willing, Republicans will not be able to vacate the Speakership of this ultra-extreme person who you claim is even more extreme than the man who was Speaker a year ago. Did Rep. Greene perhaps mention in any statement what was so extreme that Speaker Johnson won't do, or what he does that isn't extreme enough, or have we been able to deduce yet what keeps motivating these motions to vacate Speakers? | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21953 Posts
On March 23 2024 03:28 oBlade wrote: The speakers keep working with Democrats to keep the government running, and that is unacceptable to some.Oh no That's just awful news. God willing, Republicans will not be able to vacate the Speakership of this ultra-extreme person who you claim is even more extreme than the man who was Speaker a year ago. Did Rep. Greene perhaps mention in any statement what was so extreme that Speaker Johnson won't do, or what he does that isn't extreme enough, or have we been able to deduce yet what keeps motivating these motions to vacate Speakers?Can you imagine, trying to govern? perish the thought. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45050 Posts
On March 23 2024 03:28 oBlade wrote: Oh no That's just awful news. God willing, Republicans will not be able to vacate the Speakership of this ultra-extreme person who you claim is even more extreme than the man who was Speaker a year ago. Did Rep. Greene perhaps mention in any statement what was so extreme that Speaker Johnson won't do, or what he does that isn't extreme enough, or have we been able to deduce yet what keeps motivating these motions to vacate Speakers?"Greene and other hardline conservatives had expressed anger with Johnson's handling of the six remaining appropriations bills for fiscal year 2024. The package of those bills – totaling $1.2 trillion – passed the House Friday morning with more Democratic support than Republican support. It now heads to the Senate. Working with Democrats to avoid a shutdown is also what triggered the push to oust then-Speaker Kevin McCarthy last year." https://www.npr.org/2024/03/22/1240186860/marjorie-taylor-greene-mike-johnson-motion-to-vacate-house-speaker God forbid MJ allow Congress to remain even the slightest bit functional! | ||
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oBlade
United States5765 Posts
On March 23 2024 03:45 Gorsameth wrote: The speakers keep working with Democrats to keep the government running, and that is unacceptable to some. Can you imagine, trying to govern? perish the thought. Are you 100% sure it's that those Republicans are evil stochastic political terrorists, and not the fact that both Speakers have now reneged on their basic promise to move House votes away from thousand page omnibus bills that get sent out 1-3 days before known funding deadlines every single time, procrastinating like a high school student only to end up spending trillions more dollars that the federal government does not have? To maybe make even a minimal effort to move away from the cancerous fusion of brinkmanship and cronyism - because this is really just a 21st century phenomenon in Congress, and about ten more years of this and there won't be a government left not to fund anyway. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21953 Posts
On March 23 2024 04:32 oBlade wrote: You lost me the moment you tried to pretend Republicans are fiscally responsible.Are you 100% sure it's that those Republicans are evil stochastic political terrorists, and not the fact that both Speakers have now reneged on their basic promise to move House votes away from thousand page omnibus bills that get sent out 1-3 days before known funding deadlines every single time, procrastinating like a high school student only to end up spending trillions more dollars that the federal government does not have? To maybe make even a minimal effort to move away from the cancerous fusion of brinkmanship and cronyism - because this is really just a 21st century phenomenon in Congress, and about ten more years of this and there won't be a government left not to fund anyway. ps. Note the reason they get last second bills is because they can't negotiate a bill within their own party, so the speakers choice is between a shutdown (which will further ruin Republicans) or sending a last minute bill that Democrats will accept to keep the government open. And why can't they figure it out themselves without Democrats? Because morons like MTG don't understand the basic concepts of governance. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11630 Posts
On March 23 2024 05:00 Gorsameth wrote: You lost me the moment you tried to pretend Republicans are fiscally responsible. ps. Note the reason they get last second bills is because they can't negotiate a bill within their own party, so the speakers choice is between a shutdown (which will further ruin Republicans) or sending a last minute bill that Democrats will accept to keep the government open. And why can't they figure it out themselves without Democrats? Because morons like MTG don't understand the basic concepts of governance. I am still not certain if they don't understand governance, or just want to break everything. Fact of the matter is if republicans want to be viewed as not evil, they could start acting not evil. Currently they seem to be determined to be so evil that comic book villains would be ashamed. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16099 Posts
On March 23 2024 00:51 FlaShFTW wrote: MTG files a motion to vacate Speaker Johnson. Here we fucking go again. At the same time that Mike Gallagher announces he is resigning early lol. We might actually end up with a Democrat for Speaker of the House even though the Republicans have a majority. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45050 Posts
On March 23 2024 09:26 Vindicare605 wrote: At the same time that Mike Gallagher announces he is resigning early lol. We might actually end up with a Democrat for Speaker of the House even though the Republicans have a majority. I've heard that that's a possibility (Hakeem Jeffries seems to be the most popular choice for that), but I don't understand how the Democrats could succeed in doing so. How could a Democratic Speaker be voted in? Wouldn't that require Republicans to vote for a Democratic Speaker or something? | ||
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Sermokala
United States14047 Posts
On March 23 2024 09:45 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I've heard that that's a possibility (Hakeem Jeffries seems to be the most popular choice for that), but I don't understand how the Democrats could succeed in doing so. How could a Democratic Speaker be voted in? Wouldn't that require Republicans to vote for a Democratic Speaker or something? Primary season is nearing its end. I'm sure a few reps are looking at their numbers and seeing their only chance is to get on tv getting some concession that "they won for their district". The RNC sure isn't going to be giving them any cash to win what can they be threatened with at this point? | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45050 Posts
On March 23 2024 10:07 Sermokala wrote: Primary season is nearing its end. I'm sure a few reps are looking at their numbers and seeing their only chance is to get on tv getting some concession that "they won for their district". The RNC sure isn't going to be giving them any cash to win what can they be threatened with at this point? Ah, so you think that some Republicans might be under the impression that working with Democrats in a bipartisan manner could help those Republicans in the next election? | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16099 Posts
On March 23 2024 10:52 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Ah, so you think that some Republicans might be under the impression that working with Democrats in a bipartisan manner could help those Republicans in the next election? Nah, I'm thinking at this point some of the pissed off Republicans that are sick of the MAGA wing might just throw enough votes at Jeffries to get him elected just to spite them. I don't trust the Republicans to do the right thing because it's the right thing to do, but I wouldn't put it past them to act on their individual vendettas at the expense of party unity especially when party unity seems to be fracturing at the seams right now. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16099 Posts
On March 23 2024 10:52 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Ah, so you think that some Republicans might be under the impression that working with Democrats in a bipartisan manner could help those Republicans in the next election? Nah, I'm thinking at this point some of the pissed off Republicans that are sick of the MAGA wing might just throw enough votes at Jeffries to get him elected just to spite them. I don't trust the Republicans to do the right thing because it's the right thing to do, but I wouldn't put it past them to act on their individual vendettas at the expense of party unity especially when party unity seems to be fracturing at the seams right now. And if the Republicans only hold a 1 vote majority, all the Dems would need is 2 votes. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45050 Posts
On March 23 2024 11:46 Vindicare605 wrote: Nah, I'm thinking at this point some of the pissed off Republicans that are sick of the MAGA wing might just throw enough votes at Jeffries to get him elected just to spite them. I don't trust the Republicans to do the right thing because it's the right thing to do, but I wouldn't put it past them to act on their individual vendettas at the expense of party unity especially when party unity seems to be fracturing at the seams right now. And if the Republicans only hold a 1 vote majority, all the Dems would need is 2 votes. I guess we'll find out in a few weeks, although perhaps by then, MAGA may have chilled out over wanting to oust MJ. | ||
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