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On July 02 2018 10:06 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2018 10:02 xDaunt wrote:On July 02 2018 09:28 kollin wrote:On July 02 2018 08:54 xDaunt wrote:On July 02 2018 08:18 kollin wrote:
What's the correct course of action for those who see fascism no longer disguising itself in modern America? Even if you disagree with what they see, what do you sincerely counsel them to do except resist it through every avenue available? Tell them to go see a psychiatrist because something is clearly wrong with people who think that fascism is emerging in the US. This kind of hyperbole doesn’t serve any legitimate purpose. Would you agree with a restaurant owner kicking out someone who marched in Charlottesville on that ground? The problem with so many y'all on the Left is that you see Nazis like children see the boogeyman. You imagine that Nazis are everywhere and growing in significance, when in reality, they are just as marginalized as they have always been. Where these delusions become dangerous is when you start alleging that the the mainstream opposition party has been taken over by Nazis. All of that said, I have no problem with refusing to serve Nazis. EDIT: also, 'embracing identity politics' is the broadest definition possible of Trump's actions. When the identity embraced is one based in a mythological, folkish idea of Americanism (whiteness) that excludes those who aren't a part of this group from possibly being a member of 'the people', whilst simultaneously rallying against the global conspiracy of the establishment (rather than just, y'know, capitalism) it is hard to see the difference between Trump's identity politics and fascism. The smug defence that Trump is just using the Democrat's weapons against them betrays ignorance or a deeply held desire to enable (collaborate with?) the fascists - I'm sure people can guess which one. It's not the "broadest definition." It is the definitive definition of what Trump is doing. Every policy that he pursues has been tailored to serve white interests. The same is true of his rhetoric. It's not hard to see why he's doing it: it works. This is why I and so many others referred to Trump's election as "Whitey's revenge." Democrats have been playing with the fire that is identity politics for so long -- and in doing so, have neglected and demonized the white American majority -- that it was only a matter of time before someone like Trump came along to rally them. Trump is the inevitable result of leftist identity politics. And as I have said before, this is the one thing about Trump that I don't like. I hate identity politics, and I sincerely wish that we could just retire them to the dustbin of history. But the problem is that what Trump is doing may, unfortunately, be necessary for as long as the Left makes it bones on the back of identity politics. This is actually very instructive. Is this the general republican attitude, or something you have developed yourself? Basically as long as minorities are trying to have a voice, its necessary to step up their mistreatment. You don't want to do it, but it beats the alternative of them having a voice or the ability to change anything about the system they live in.
I’d say that a majority of republicans hates identity politics and considers themselves to be “colorblind.” I doubt that a majority of republicans understands what Trump is doing and why.
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On July 02 2018 10:21 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2018 10:06 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 02 2018 10:02 xDaunt wrote:On July 02 2018 09:28 kollin wrote:On July 02 2018 08:54 xDaunt wrote:On July 02 2018 08:18 kollin wrote:
What's the correct course of action for those who see fascism no longer disguising itself in modern America? Even if you disagree with what they see, what do you sincerely counsel them to do except resist it through every avenue available? Tell them to go see a psychiatrist because something is clearly wrong with people who think that fascism is emerging in the US. This kind of hyperbole doesn’t serve any legitimate purpose. Would you agree with a restaurant owner kicking out someone who marched in Charlottesville on that ground? The problem with so many y'all on the Left is that you see Nazis like children see the boogeyman. You imagine that Nazis are everywhere and growing in significance, when in reality, they are just as marginalized as they have always been. Where these delusions become dangerous is when you start alleging that the the mainstream opposition party has been taken over by Nazis. All of that said, I have no problem with refusing to serve Nazis. EDIT: also, 'embracing identity politics' is the broadest definition possible of Trump's actions. When the identity embraced is one based in a mythological, folkish idea of Americanism (whiteness) that excludes those who aren't a part of this group from possibly being a member of 'the people', whilst simultaneously rallying against the global conspiracy of the establishment (rather than just, y'know, capitalism) it is hard to see the difference between Trump's identity politics and fascism. The smug defence that Trump is just using the Democrat's weapons against them betrays ignorance or a deeply held desire to enable (collaborate with?) the fascists - I'm sure people can guess which one. It's not the "broadest definition." It is the definitive definition of what Trump is doing. Every policy that he pursues has been tailored to serve white interests. The same is true of his rhetoric. It's not hard to see why he's doing it: it works. This is why I and so many others referred to Trump's election as "Whitey's revenge." Democrats have been playing with the fire that is identity politics for so long -- and in doing so, have neglected and demonized the white American majority -- that it was only a matter of time before someone like Trump came along to rally them. Trump is the inevitable result of leftist identity politics. And as I have said before, this is the one thing about Trump that I don't like. I hate identity politics, and I sincerely wish that we could just retire them to the dustbin of history. But the problem is that what Trump is doing may, unfortunately, be necessary for as long as the Left makes it bones on the back of identity politics. This is actually very instructive. Is this the general republican attitude, or something you have developed yourself? Basically as long as minorities are trying to have a voice, its necessary to step up their mistreatment. You don't want to do it, but it beats the alternative of them having a voice or the ability to change anything about the system they live in. I’d say that a majority of republicans hates identity politics and considers themselves to be “colorblind.” I doubt that a majority of republicans understands what Trump is doing and why.
"Colourblind" is the PC way for racists too cowardly to say they're racists to identify themselves to others. It's no different than a 1940s German insisting that they didn't know anything about the trains or the smoke rising from the camps because they're Jewblind.
Willfully choosing not to see that society is treating people of different races differently is racism, even if you lie about not even knowing that there are other races.
They're not colourblind of course, they're just racists, but even if they were, being colourblind is still being a racist.
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On July 02 2018 10:34 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2018 10:21 xDaunt wrote:On July 02 2018 10:06 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 02 2018 10:02 xDaunt wrote:On July 02 2018 09:28 kollin wrote:On July 02 2018 08:54 xDaunt wrote:On July 02 2018 08:18 kollin wrote:
What's the correct course of action for those who see fascism no longer disguising itself in modern America? Even if you disagree with what they see, what do you sincerely counsel them to do except resist it through every avenue available? Tell them to go see a psychiatrist because something is clearly wrong with people who think that fascism is emerging in the US. This kind of hyperbole doesn’t serve any legitimate purpose. Would you agree with a restaurant owner kicking out someone who marched in Charlottesville on that ground? The problem with so many y'all on the Left is that you see Nazis like children see the boogeyman. You imagine that Nazis are everywhere and growing in significance, when in reality, they are just as marginalized as they have always been. Where these delusions become dangerous is when you start alleging that the the mainstream opposition party has been taken over by Nazis. All of that said, I have no problem with refusing to serve Nazis. EDIT: also, 'embracing identity politics' is the broadest definition possible of Trump's actions. When the identity embraced is one based in a mythological, folkish idea of Americanism (whiteness) that excludes those who aren't a part of this group from possibly being a member of 'the people', whilst simultaneously rallying against the global conspiracy of the establishment (rather than just, y'know, capitalism) it is hard to see the difference between Trump's identity politics and fascism. The smug defence that Trump is just using the Democrat's weapons against them betrays ignorance or a deeply held desire to enable (collaborate with?) the fascists - I'm sure people can guess which one. It's not the "broadest definition." It is the definitive definition of what Trump is doing. Every policy that he pursues has been tailored to serve white interests. The same is true of his rhetoric. It's not hard to see why he's doing it: it works. This is why I and so many others referred to Trump's election as "Whitey's revenge." Democrats have been playing with the fire that is identity politics for so long -- and in doing so, have neglected and demonized the white American majority -- that it was only a matter of time before someone like Trump came along to rally them. Trump is the inevitable result of leftist identity politics. And as I have said before, this is the one thing about Trump that I don't like. I hate identity politics, and I sincerely wish that we could just retire them to the dustbin of history. But the problem is that what Trump is doing may, unfortunately, be necessary for as long as the Left makes it bones on the back of identity politics. This is actually very instructive. Is this the general republican attitude, or something you have developed yourself? Basically as long as minorities are trying to have a voice, its necessary to step up their mistreatment. You don't want to do it, but it beats the alternative of them having a voice or the ability to change anything about the system they live in. I’d say that a majority of republicans hates identity politics and considers themselves to be “colorblind.” I doubt that a majority of republicans understands what Trump is doing and why. "Colourblind" is the PC way for racists too cowardly to say they're racists to identify themselves to others. It's no different than a 1940s German insisting that they didn't know anything about the trains or the smoke rising from the camps because they're Jewblind. Willfully choosing not to see that society is treating people of different races differently is racism, even if you lie about not even knowing that there are other races. They're not colourblind of course, they're just racists, but even if they were, being colourblind is still being a racist.
This is precisely the sentiment that likely makes Trump’s identity politics necessary.
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On July 02 2018 10:37 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2018 10:34 KwarK wrote:On July 02 2018 10:21 xDaunt wrote:On July 02 2018 10:06 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 02 2018 10:02 xDaunt wrote:On July 02 2018 09:28 kollin wrote:On July 02 2018 08:54 xDaunt wrote:On July 02 2018 08:18 kollin wrote:
What's the correct course of action for those who see fascism no longer disguising itself in modern America? Even if you disagree with what they see, what do you sincerely counsel them to do except resist it through every avenue available? Tell them to go see a psychiatrist because something is clearly wrong with people who think that fascism is emerging in the US. This kind of hyperbole doesn’t serve any legitimate purpose. Would you agree with a restaurant owner kicking out someone who marched in Charlottesville on that ground? The problem with so many y'all on the Left is that you see Nazis like children see the boogeyman. You imagine that Nazis are everywhere and growing in significance, when in reality, they are just as marginalized as they have always been. Where these delusions become dangerous is when you start alleging that the the mainstream opposition party has been taken over by Nazis. All of that said, I have no problem with refusing to serve Nazis. EDIT: also, 'embracing identity politics' is the broadest definition possible of Trump's actions. When the identity embraced is one based in a mythological, folkish idea of Americanism (whiteness) that excludes those who aren't a part of this group from possibly being a member of 'the people', whilst simultaneously rallying against the global conspiracy of the establishment (rather than just, y'know, capitalism) it is hard to see the difference between Trump's identity politics and fascism. The smug defence that Trump is just using the Democrat's weapons against them betrays ignorance or a deeply held desire to enable (collaborate with?) the fascists - I'm sure people can guess which one. It's not the "broadest definition." It is the definitive definition of what Trump is doing. Every policy that he pursues has been tailored to serve white interests. The same is true of his rhetoric. It's not hard to see why he's doing it: it works. This is why I and so many others referred to Trump's election as "Whitey's revenge." Democrats have been playing with the fire that is identity politics for so long -- and in doing so, have neglected and demonized the white American majority -- that it was only a matter of time before someone like Trump came along to rally them. Trump is the inevitable result of leftist identity politics. And as I have said before, this is the one thing about Trump that I don't like. I hate identity politics, and I sincerely wish that we could just retire them to the dustbin of history. But the problem is that what Trump is doing may, unfortunately, be necessary for as long as the Left makes it bones on the back of identity politics. This is actually very instructive. Is this the general republican attitude, or something you have developed yourself? Basically as long as minorities are trying to have a voice, its necessary to step up their mistreatment. You don't want to do it, but it beats the alternative of them having a voice or the ability to change anything about the system they live in. I’d say that a majority of republicans hates identity politics and considers themselves to be “colorblind.” I doubt that a majority of republicans understands what Trump is doing and why. "Colourblind" is the PC way for racists too cowardly to say they're racists to identify themselves to others. It's no different than a 1940s German insisting that they didn't know anything about the trains or the smoke rising from the camps because they're Jewblind. Willfully choosing not to see that society is treating people of different races differently is racism, even if you lie about not even knowing that there are other races. They're not colourblind of course, they're just racists, but even if they were, being colourblind is still being a racist. This is precisely the sentiment that likely makes Trump’s identity politics necessary.
Necessary to do what? Revive the American people's community in the face of relentless assault?
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On July 02 2018 10:37 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2018 10:34 KwarK wrote:On July 02 2018 10:21 xDaunt wrote:On July 02 2018 10:06 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 02 2018 10:02 xDaunt wrote:On July 02 2018 09:28 kollin wrote:On July 02 2018 08:54 xDaunt wrote:On July 02 2018 08:18 kollin wrote:
What's the correct course of action for those who see fascism no longer disguising itself in modern America? Even if you disagree with what they see, what do you sincerely counsel them to do except resist it through every avenue available? Tell them to go see a psychiatrist because something is clearly wrong with people who think that fascism is emerging in the US. This kind of hyperbole doesn’t serve any legitimate purpose. Would you agree with a restaurant owner kicking out someone who marched in Charlottesville on that ground? The problem with so many y'all on the Left is that you see Nazis like children see the boogeyman. You imagine that Nazis are everywhere and growing in significance, when in reality, they are just as marginalized as they have always been. Where these delusions become dangerous is when you start alleging that the the mainstream opposition party has been taken over by Nazis. All of that said, I have no problem with refusing to serve Nazis. EDIT: also, 'embracing identity politics' is the broadest definition possible of Trump's actions. When the identity embraced is one based in a mythological, folkish idea of Americanism (whiteness) that excludes those who aren't a part of this group from possibly being a member of 'the people', whilst simultaneously rallying against the global conspiracy of the establishment (rather than just, y'know, capitalism) it is hard to see the difference between Trump's identity politics and fascism. The smug defence that Trump is just using the Democrat's weapons against them betrays ignorance or a deeply held desire to enable (collaborate with?) the fascists - I'm sure people can guess which one. It's not the "broadest definition." It is the definitive definition of what Trump is doing. Every policy that he pursues has been tailored to serve white interests. The same is true of his rhetoric. It's not hard to see why he's doing it: it works. This is why I and so many others referred to Trump's election as "Whitey's revenge." Democrats have been playing with the fire that is identity politics for so long -- and in doing so, have neglected and demonized the white American majority -- that it was only a matter of time before someone like Trump came along to rally them. Trump is the inevitable result of leftist identity politics. And as I have said before, this is the one thing about Trump that I don't like. I hate identity politics, and I sincerely wish that we could just retire them to the dustbin of history. But the problem is that what Trump is doing may, unfortunately, be necessary for as long as the Left makes it bones on the back of identity politics. This is actually very instructive. Is this the general republican attitude, or something you have developed yourself? Basically as long as minorities are trying to have a voice, its necessary to step up their mistreatment. You don't want to do it, but it beats the alternative of them having a voice or the ability to change anything about the system they live in. I’d say that a majority of republicans hates identity politics and considers themselves to be “colorblind.” I doubt that a majority of republicans understands what Trump is doing and why. "Colourblind" is the PC way for racists too cowardly to say they're racists to identify themselves to others. It's no different than a 1940s German insisting that they didn't know anything about the trains or the smoke rising from the camps because they're Jewblind. Willfully choosing not to see that society is treating people of different races differently is racism, even if you lie about not even knowing that there are other races. They're not colourblind of course, they're just racists, but even if they were, being colourblind is still being a racist. This is precisely the sentiment that likely makes Trump’s identity politics necessary.
A Republican could literally own a plantation filled with black slaves and if you called him out on it you'd hear "You mean you actually checked the race of my slaves? I suppose that's important to you because you love identity politics, it's always race with you lot. I, of course, had no idea my slaves were black because you see I am colourblind".
Colourblind people object to African Americans demanding civil rights because they pretend to be blind about the civil rights abuses African Americans suffer from. Nobody is actually as stupid as colourblind people insist that they are, if you asked one of them to trade bodies with an African American they'd know damn well that's a bad deal, they're not the only people in America who somehow haven't noticed that racism exists. It's just their response to injustice is to call it justice, and pretend that their lie is virtue.
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On July 02 2018 10:34 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2018 10:21 xDaunt wrote:On July 02 2018 10:06 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 02 2018 10:02 xDaunt wrote:On July 02 2018 09:28 kollin wrote:On July 02 2018 08:54 xDaunt wrote:On July 02 2018 08:18 kollin wrote:
What's the correct course of action for those who see fascism no longer disguising itself in modern America? Even if you disagree with what they see, what do you sincerely counsel them to do except resist it through every avenue available? Tell them to go see a psychiatrist because something is clearly wrong with people who think that fascism is emerging in the US. This kind of hyperbole doesn’t serve any legitimate purpose. Would you agree with a restaurant owner kicking out someone who marched in Charlottesville on that ground? The problem with so many y'all on the Left is that you see Nazis like children see the boogeyman. You imagine that Nazis are everywhere and growing in significance, when in reality, they are just as marginalized as they have always been. Where these delusions become dangerous is when you start alleging that the the mainstream opposition party has been taken over by Nazis. All of that said, I have no problem with refusing to serve Nazis. EDIT: also, 'embracing identity politics' is the broadest definition possible of Trump's actions. When the identity embraced is one based in a mythological, folkish idea of Americanism (whiteness) that excludes those who aren't a part of this group from possibly being a member of 'the people', whilst simultaneously rallying against the global conspiracy of the establishment (rather than just, y'know, capitalism) it is hard to see the difference between Trump's identity politics and fascism. The smug defence that Trump is just using the Democrat's weapons against them betrays ignorance or a deeply held desire to enable (collaborate with?) the fascists - I'm sure people can guess which one. It's not the "broadest definition." It is the definitive definition of what Trump is doing. Every policy that he pursues has been tailored to serve white interests. The same is true of his rhetoric. It's not hard to see why he's doing it: it works. This is why I and so many others referred to Trump's election as "Whitey's revenge." Democrats have been playing with the fire that is identity politics for so long -- and in doing so, have neglected and demonized the white American majority -- that it was only a matter of time before someone like Trump came along to rally them. Trump is the inevitable result of leftist identity politics. And as I have said before, this is the one thing about Trump that I don't like. I hate identity politics, and I sincerely wish that we could just retire them to the dustbin of history. But the problem is that what Trump is doing may, unfortunately, be necessary for as long as the Left makes it bones on the back of identity politics. This is actually very instructive. Is this the general republican attitude, or something you have developed yourself? Basically as long as minorities are trying to have a voice, its necessary to step up their mistreatment. You don't want to do it, but it beats the alternative of them having a voice or the ability to change anything about the system they live in. I’d say that a majority of republicans hates identity politics and considers themselves to be “colorblind.” I doubt that a majority of republicans understands what Trump is doing and why. "Colourblind" is the PC way for racists too cowardly to say they're racists to identify themselves to others. It's no different than a 1940s German insisting that they didn't know anything about the trains or the smoke rising from the camps because they're Jewblind. Willfully choosing not to see that society is treating people of different races differently is racism, even if you lie about not even knowing that there are other races. They're not colourblind of course, they're just racists, but even if they were, being colourblind is still being a racist.
is race socially constructed or biological? if it's socially constructed is it a necessary construction or a contingent one? if it is a contingent one is there a possible world in which people were effectively "colorblind" in the same way most people are "colorblind" concerning eye color?
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One thing is for sure, embracing white identity politics is 100% assured to take us back an 1960s era of civility. I just hope the people tho think what Trump is doing is necessary are prepared for that level of civility.
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On July 02 2018 10:37 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2018 10:34 KwarK wrote:On July 02 2018 10:21 xDaunt wrote:On July 02 2018 10:06 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 02 2018 10:02 xDaunt wrote:On July 02 2018 09:28 kollin wrote:On July 02 2018 08:54 xDaunt wrote:On July 02 2018 08:18 kollin wrote:
What's the correct course of action for those who see fascism no longer disguising itself in modern America? Even if you disagree with what they see, what do you sincerely counsel them to do except resist it through every avenue available? Tell them to go see a psychiatrist because something is clearly wrong with people who think that fascism is emerging in the US. This kind of hyperbole doesn’t serve any legitimate purpose. Would you agree with a restaurant owner kicking out someone who marched in Charlottesville on that ground? The problem with so many y'all on the Left is that you see Nazis like children see the boogeyman. You imagine that Nazis are everywhere and growing in significance, when in reality, they are just as marginalized as they have always been. Where these delusions become dangerous is when you start alleging that the the mainstream opposition party has been taken over by Nazis. All of that said, I have no problem with refusing to serve Nazis. EDIT: also, 'embracing identity politics' is the broadest definition possible of Trump's actions. When the identity embraced is one based in a mythological, folkish idea of Americanism (whiteness) that excludes those who aren't a part of this group from possibly being a member of 'the people', whilst simultaneously rallying against the global conspiracy of the establishment (rather than just, y'know, capitalism) it is hard to see the difference between Trump's identity politics and fascism. The smug defence that Trump is just using the Democrat's weapons against them betrays ignorance or a deeply held desire to enable (collaborate with?) the fascists - I'm sure people can guess which one. It's not the "broadest definition." It is the definitive definition of what Trump is doing. Every policy that he pursues has been tailored to serve white interests. The same is true of his rhetoric. It's not hard to see why he's doing it: it works. This is why I and so many others referred to Trump's election as "Whitey's revenge." Democrats have been playing with the fire that is identity politics for so long -- and in doing so, have neglected and demonized the white American majority -- that it was only a matter of time before someone like Trump came along to rally them. Trump is the inevitable result of leftist identity politics. And as I have said before, this is the one thing about Trump that I don't like. I hate identity politics, and I sincerely wish that we could just retire them to the dustbin of history. But the problem is that what Trump is doing may, unfortunately, be necessary for as long as the Left makes it bones on the back of identity politics. This is actually very instructive. Is this the general republican attitude, or something you have developed yourself? Basically as long as minorities are trying to have a voice, its necessary to step up their mistreatment. You don't want to do it, but it beats the alternative of them having a voice or the ability to change anything about the system they live in. I’d say that a majority of republicans hates identity politics and considers themselves to be “colorblind.” I doubt that a majority of republicans understands what Trump is doing and why. "Colourblind" is the PC way for racists too cowardly to say they're racists to identify themselves to others. It's no different than a 1940s German insisting that they didn't know anything about the trains or the smoke rising from the camps because they're Jewblind. Willfully choosing not to see that society is treating people of different races differently is racism, even if you lie about not even knowing that there are other races. They're not colourblind of course, they're just racists, but even if they were, being colourblind is still being a racist. This is precisely the sentiment that likely makes Trump’s identity politics necessary.
Yes when truth isn't on your side you need a mass delusion accompanied with relentless lying in order to usher in an ethnostate. This is why Trump's identity politics are necessary. We'll never turn the US into a pure ethnostate without it.
That people like me will have to be murdered by the "very fine people" with swastikas is just my comeuppances for how horribly we treated the poor defenseless white majority.
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On July 02 2018 08:57 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2018 07:24 Danglars wrote:On July 02 2018 06:37 iamthedave wrote:On July 02 2018 06:27 Danglars wrote:On July 02 2018 06:05 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 02 2018 05:57 Danglars wrote:
He’s certainly feeding division. But red plate/blue plate is a choice. Trump does not possess supernatural powers. If that’s your response, so be it, post that big sign in front letting people know Trump officials or MAGA hats aren’t allowed. "Red plate blue plate" What do you have against a food truck in Ohio? I can’t claim credit for the phrasing. I’m no wordsmith. Obamas chief strategist expressed a simple message. You want to prove Trump right, you just keep going in this direction. “Thanks Obama Trump” 50% of people can't maintain civility when the other 50% have decided to abandon it. You can't hand the responsibility over to other people. If Republicans aren't willing to meet in the middle, how can it be reversed? Sarah Sanders' expulsion is another warning siren. But your side of the aisle doesn't see it for what it is. It's 'oh look the Democrats are hypocrites and/or bad people' not an indication that both sides need to stop now and reverse course. The President guided you to this precipice. Half can't go over and then tell the other half not to. You're linked by a rope. This is all saying Trump is dead right about the country. I thought he was wrong, but I’m slowly being brought around by your intense efforts. You aren’t accepting this absurd premise that republicans were the party unwilling to meet in the middle, are you? There is no meeting in the middle with an opposing party that considers you to be racist, sexist, and bigoted nazis.
I’m just concurring in the conclusion; not the rationale. Whatever justification is in your head that perpetuates this winner-take-all attitude. I think it’s stupid and I think the Democrats missed a big opportunity of a come-together moment and party revamp in the wake of the Trump election.
But like if the status is tribes, and the rhetoric is absolute victory, then that’s Trump’s vision of America and you can be sure he’s in it to win it. And it gets much much worse than Trump if this continues. Now, I don’t accept the current “terms” that pretends to be meet in the middle, but do you see any way out of this honestly, xDaunt? Every path I’ve considered is a whole lot more bad.
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On July 02 2018 11:55 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2018 08:57 xDaunt wrote:On July 02 2018 07:24 Danglars wrote:On July 02 2018 06:37 iamthedave wrote:On July 02 2018 06:27 Danglars wrote:On July 02 2018 06:05 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 02 2018 05:57 Danglars wrote:
He’s certainly feeding division. But red plate/blue plate is a choice. Trump does not possess supernatural powers. If that’s your response, so be it, post that big sign in front letting people know Trump officials or MAGA hats aren’t allowed. "Red plate blue plate" What do you have against a food truck in Ohio? https://twitter.com/davidaxelrod/status/1010917905586970625I can’t claim credit for the phrasing. I’m no wordsmith. Obamas chief strategist expressed a simple message. You want to prove Trump right, you just keep going in this direction. “Thanks Obama Trump” 50% of people can't maintain civility when the other 50% have decided to abandon it. You can't hand the responsibility over to other people. If Republicans aren't willing to meet in the middle, how can it be reversed? Sarah Sanders' expulsion is another warning siren. But your side of the aisle doesn't see it for what it is. It's 'oh look the Democrats are hypocrites and/or bad people' not an indication that both sides need to stop now and reverse course. The President guided you to this precipice. Half can't go over and then tell the other half not to. You're linked by a rope. This is all saying Trump is dead right about the country. I thought he was wrong, but I’m slowly being brought around by your intense efforts. You aren’t accepting this absurd premise that republicans were the party unwilling to meet in the middle, are you? There is no meeting in the middle with an opposing party that considers you to be racist, sexist, and bigoted nazis. I’m just concurring in the conclusion; not the rationale. Whatever justification is in your head that perpetuates this winner-take-all attitude. I think it’s stupid and I think the Democrats missed a big opportunity of a come-together moment and party revamp in the wake of the Trump election. But like if the status is tribes, and the rhetoric is absolute victory, then that’s Trump’s vision of America and you can be sure he’s in it to win it. And it gets much much worse than Trump if this continues. Now, I don’t accept the current “terms” that pretends to be meet in the middle, but do you see any way out of this honestly, xDaunt? Every path I’ve considered is a whole lot more bad.
Stop encouraging people to be racist, bigoted dickbags that oppress and exploit vulnerable and marginalized people?
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And it gets much much worse than Trump if this continues.
That's maybe the smartest/most sensible sentence i've read from you so far.
Of course it'll get much worse. In germany we say "die Geister die ich rief", by Goethe. Translates to:
"Spirits that I've cited
My commands ignore."
Guess, "opening pandoras box" is roughly the same. Of course it gets worse if you let it happen. History has shown so, or does everyone in the US assume that Hitler got elected, on day 6 he started seperating families and on day 12 he gassed them?
It's a slow process of desensitising the public to get away with more and more. I'm not saying that it'll go as far as concentration camps for blacks or something like that (before xDaunt jumps on the opportunity), but you're absolutely correct that it will get worse if it doesn't get countered.
Like what's supposed to happen anyway? Republicans using white identity politics, because leftists are liberal. Leftists stop being liberal, are we supposed to assume that republicans stop using white identity politics then? Like who's that stupid to actually argue with that premise? The next election will see a liberal as democratic candidate, and an even more extreme version of Trump to not repel the base they've built, like many liberals did when Sanders got cucked.
edit: in regards to colourblind, briefly.. Many republican politicians grew up/got imprinted in a time where blacks literally were second class humans. I'm pretty sure they know colour.
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We already have the camps. We are building more. It’s nust a question of how poorly the people in them are treated. It’s not a question of if they will be abused, but how much abuse will take place/
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On July 02 2018 12:12 Plansix wrote:
We already have the camps. We are building more. It’s nust a question of how poorly the people in them are treated. It’s not a question of if they will be abused, but how much abuse will take place/
We've had them for a while, Trump pardoned someone that ran one.
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United States43221 Posts
On July 02 2018 12:12 Plansix wrote:
We already have the camps. We are building more. It’s nust a question of how poorly the people in them are treated. It’s not a question of if they will be abused, but how much abuse will take place/
This. We've gone from "Nazi comparisons are absurd" to "no real Americans are being sent to the camps".
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Generally, when you're faced with the problem of "I'm tired of being called out and ridiculed for being a racist bigot", the solution is to stop being a racist bigot. The solution is not to double down, and say it was the fault of the people who called you on your bullshit, and become even more racist. History does not look fondly on these people.
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On July 02 2018 12:13 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2018 12:12 Plansix wrote:
We already have the camps. We are building more. It’s nust a question of how poorly the people in them are treated. It’s not a question of if they will be abused, but how much abuse will take place/ We've had them for a while, Trump pardoned someone that ran one.
We have been building to this for a while. Trump is the natural course of action when one party demonizes immigrants, legal or otherwise for +30 years. The other party to afraid to take a stand on the issue. Moderate republicans to chicken shit to stand up to the immigration hard liners. There is no coming back from this. Whatever comes out the other side won’t be Republicans or Democrats. It’s just it’s a question of how much damage is done during the process.
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On July 02 2018 12:28 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2018 12:13 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 02 2018 12:12 Plansix wrote:
We already have the camps. We are building more. It’s nust a question of how poorly the people in them are treated. It’s not a question of if they will be abused, but how much abuse will take place/ We've had them for a while, Trump pardoned someone that ran one. We have been building to this for a while. Trump is the natural course of action when one party demonizes immigrants, legal or otherwise for +30 years.
We have indeed been building to this for a while, but both parties have helped get us there. It's true Republicans have been the most vociferous in their demonizing, but it's the preference of "negative peace" by Democrats that enabled it.
This is exemplified in the Schumer-Waters spat of SHS. Which is sprinkled with added irony when one considers Schumer's support of Trump moving the embassy to Jerusalem.
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On July 02 2018 12:31 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2018 12:28 Plansix wrote:On July 02 2018 12:13 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 02 2018 12:12 Plansix wrote:
We already have the camps. We are building more. It’s nust a question of how poorly the people in them are treated. It’s not a question of if they will be abused, but how much abuse will take place/ We've had them for a while, Trump pardoned someone that ran one. We have been building to this for a while. Trump is the natural course of action when one party demonizes immigrants, legal or otherwise for +30 years. We have indeed been building to this for a while, but both parties have helped get us there. It's true Republicans have been the most vociferous in their demonizing, but it's the preference of "negative peace" by Democrats that enabled it. This is exemplified in the Schumer-Waters spat
Democrats have been chicken shit for as long as I’ve been alive. Come November, if they control the House, we can only hope folks like Waters win the day.
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Canada11370 Posts
"Colourblind" is the PC way for racists too cowardly to say they're racists to identify themselves to others.
That may be true for some. But it seems to me, on the whole, what many people who identify themselves as 'colorblind' are trying to say (perhaps inelegantly) is that they see people as individuals rather than classes. That they see Ben as 'my friend Ben', or 'Ben the next door neighbour' first and foremost. Not Ben, one of the Blacks. Not that they are literally blind, but the claim to colorblindess is (for many) signalling that their judgement is on content of character, not colour of skin.
Whether you believe them is another thing, but from the people that I've heard using 'colourblind' unironically, I'm very confident that is what they intend it to mean.
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