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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On July 02 2018 08:18 kollin wrote: What's the correct course of action for those who see fascism no longer disguising itself in modern America? Even if you disagree with what they see, what do you sincerely counsel them to do except resist it through every avenue available? Tell them to go see a psychiatrist because something is clearly wrong with people who think that fascism is emerging in the US. This kind of hyperbole doesn’t serve any legitimate purpose. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9650 Posts
On July 02 2018 08:54 xDaunt wrote: Tell them to go see a psychiatrist because something is clearly wrong with people who think that fascism is emerging in the US. This kind of hyperbole doesn’t serve any legitimate purpose. Didn't Trump openly court fascists, and fascist groups said they felt empowered to spread their message in public because of Trump? | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On July 02 2018 07:24 Danglars wrote: This is all saying Trump is dead right about the country. I thought he was wrong, but I’m slowly being brought around by your intense efforts. You aren’t accepting this absurd premise that republicans were the party unwilling to meet in the middle, are you? There is no meeting in the middle with an opposing party that considers you to be racist, sexist, and bigoted nazis. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On July 02 2018 08:56 Jockmcplop wrote: Didn't Trump openly court fascists, and fascist groups said they felt empowered to spread their message in public because of Trump? Trump embraced identity politics, which is quite different. | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On July 02 2018 07:24 Danglars wrote: This is all saying Trump is dead right about the country. I thought he was wrong, but I’m slowly being brought around by your intense efforts. Says the man who brought us 'But Obama' in response to everything, especially things Republicans have done. It's beyond sad that you seem to think you're above it. On July 02 2018 08:57 xDaunt wrote: You aren’t accepting this absurd premise that republicans were the party unwilling to meet in the middle, are you? There is no meeting in the middle with an opposing party that considers you to be racist, sexist, and bigoted nazis. You could help by not electing racist, sexist, bigoted candidates, and not being the party where actual neo-nazis run (and get votes). And please, substantiate your argument that Republicans aren't the party unwilling to meet in the middle. This should be entertaining given how much public evidence clearly demonstrates that they're exactly that. I mean, your party is so utterly unable to shift from a position that it took almost a year to pass any major legislation whatsoever. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 02 2018 07:51 Tachion wrote: With the recent Supreme Court worries, I've got some morbid curiosity to see Roe v Wade overturned and how it'll unfold. Blue states won't give a shit, and if the red states want to continue to legislate themselves back into the dark ages, maybe let them? Roughly 30-40% of abortions are undertaken by Protestants, and they seem to be the ones who rally hardest against it, so take away the service in those deep red states and let's see how they react. Black market abortions. Outlawing abortions doesn’t stop them, it just makes for unsafe abortions. Just wait till the conservative court also rules that pharmacies can deny birth control based on “religious freedom”. This has been the goal of the Republican Party since they embraced “family values”. | ||
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
On July 02 2018 08:54 xDaunt wrote: Tell them to go see a psychiatrist because something is clearly wrong with people who think that fascism is emerging in the US. This kind of hyperbole doesn’t serve any legitimate purpose. Would you agree with a restaurant owner kicking out someone who marched in Charlottesville on that ground? EDIT: also, 'embracing identity politics' is the broadest definition possible of Trump's actions. When the identity embraced is one based in a mythological, folkish idea of Americanism (whiteness) that excludes those who aren't a part of this group from possibly being a member of 'the people', whilst simultaneously rallying against the global conspiracy of the establishment (rather than just, y'know, capitalism) it is hard to see the difference between Trump's identity politics and fascism. The smug defence that Trump is just using the Democrat's weapons against them betrays ignorance or a deeply held desire to enable (collaborate with?) the fascists - I'm sure people can guess which one. | ||
KwarK
United States42693 Posts
On July 02 2018 08:58 xDaunt wrote: Trump embraced identity politics, which is quite different. White nationalist identity politics. He published Nazi propaganda from actual Nazis on his twitter account for the world to see. | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
Something that clearly not everyone does to the same extend. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On July 02 2018 09:38 KwarK wrote: White nationalist identity politics. He published Nazi propaganda from actual Nazis on his twitter account for the world to see. Coincedentally, the guy who Trump recently pardoned, Dinesh D'Souza, has twice retweeted tweets that used the hashtag "#burnthejews" in the past week. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9650 Posts
On July 02 2018 08:58 xDaunt wrote: Trump embraced identity politics, which is quite different. When you say quite different do you mean unrelated? If you don't, you can see why Trump playing identity politics has helped fascism to emerge in the US, no? | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On July 02 2018 09:51 Doodsmack wrote: Coincedentally, the guy who Trump recently pardoned, Dinesh D'Souza, has twice retweeted tweets that used the hashtag "#burnthejews" in the past week. This btw is by far the best example of a republican i've seen in the last few weeks. He not only retweeted #burnthejews, but also #bringbackslavery. This here is his response. "Watch these sleazy, unscrupulous leftists try to make a story out of an accidental retweet.” Clearly, it's the leftists who're unscrupulous. The guy who accidentally retweeted racists, gets called out for the jew one and then retweets the slavery one, he's flawless. In what kind of parallel universe do republicans even live nowadays? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 02 2018 09:51 Doodsmack wrote: Coincedentally, the guy who Trump recently pardoned, Dinesh D'Souza, has twice retweeted tweets that used the hashtag "#burnthejews" in the past week. He now claims it was a mistake. I mean, who hasn’t accidentally retweeted burn the Jews by mistake? That is totally a thing that happens everyone. This stuff used to end careers. Now it’s a joke, but something that would never happen. And how knows what tomorrow brings? | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9650 Posts
On July 02 2018 10:01 Plansix wrote: He now claims it was a mistake. I mean, who hasn’t accidentally retweeted burn the Jews by mistake? That is totally a thing that happens everyone. This stuff used to end careers. Now it’s a joke, but something that would never happen. And how knows what tomorrow brings? I hate it when you press 'retweet' instead of 'like' | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On July 02 2018 09:28 kollin wrote: Would you agree with a restaurant owner kicking out someone who marched in Charlottesville on that ground? The problem with so many y'all on the Left is that you see Nazis like children see the boogeyman. You imagine that Nazis are everywhere and growing in significance, when in reality, they are just as marginalized as they have always been. Where these delusions become dangerous is when you start alleging that the the mainstream opposition party has been taken over by Nazis. All of that said, I have no problem with refusing to serve Nazis. EDIT: also, 'embracing identity politics' is the broadest definition possible of Trump's actions. When the identity embraced is one based in a mythological, folkish idea of Americanism (whiteness) that excludes those who aren't a part of this group from possibly being a member of 'the people', whilst simultaneously rallying against the global conspiracy of the establishment (rather than just, y'know, capitalism) it is hard to see the difference between Trump's identity politics and fascism. The smug defence that Trump is just using the Democrat's weapons against them betrays ignorance or a deeply held desire to enable (collaborate with?) the fascists - I'm sure people can guess which one. It's not the "broadest definition." It is the definitive definition of what Trump is doing. Every policy that he pursues has been tailored to serve white interests. The same is true of his rhetoric. It's not hard to see why he's doing it: it works. This is why I and so many others referred to Trump's election as "Whitey's revenge." Democrats have been playing with the fire that is identity politics for so long -- and in doing so, have neglected and demonized the white American majority -- that it was only a matter of time before someone like Trump came along to rally them. Trump is the inevitable result of leftist identity politics. And as I have said before, this is the one thing about Trump that I don't like. I hate identity politics, and I sincerely wish that we could just retire them to the dustbin of history. But the problem is that what Trump is doing may, unfortunately, be necessary for as long as the Left makes it bones on the back of identity politics. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9650 Posts
On July 02 2018 10:02 xDaunt wrote: The problem with so many y'all on the Left is that you see Nazis like children see the boogeyman. You imagine that Nazis are everywhere and growing in significance, when in reality, they are just as marginalized as they have always been. Where these delusions become dangerous is when you start alleging that the the mainstream opposition party has been taken over by Nazis. All of that said, I have no problem with refusing to serve Nazis. It's not the "broadest definition." It is the definitive definition of what Trump is doing. Every policy that he pursues has been tailored to serve white interests. The same is true of his rhetoric. It's not hard to see why he's doing it: it works. This is why I and so many others referred to Trump's election as "Whitey's revenge." Democrats have been playing with the fire that is identity politics for so long -- and in doing so, have neglected and demonized the white American majority -- that it was only a matter of time before someone like Trump came along to rally them. Trump is the inevitable result of leftist identity politics. And as I have said before, this is the one thing about Trump that I don't like. I hate identity politics, and I sincerely wish that we could just retire them to the dustbin of history. But the problem is that what Trump is doing may, unfortunately, be necessary for as long as the Left makes it bones on the back of identity politics. This is actually very instructive. Is this the general republican attitude, or something you have developed yourself? Basically as long as minorities are trying to have a voice, its necessary to step up their mistreatment. You don't want to do it, but it beats the alternative of them having a voice or the ability to change anything about the system they live in. | ||
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KwarK
United States42693 Posts
On July 02 2018 10:02 xDaunt wrote: It is the definitive definition of what Trump is doing. Every policy that he pursues has been tailored to serve white interests. The same is true of his rhetoric. An honest to God moment of truth from xDaunt. And yet even though you know this it doesn't seem to be a problem for you. | ||
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
On July 02 2018 10:02 xDaunt wrote: The problem with so many y'all on the Left is that you see Nazis like children see the boogeyman. You imagine that Nazis are everywhere and growing in significance, when in reality, they are just as marginalized as they have always been. Where these delusions become dangerous is when you start alleging that the the mainstream opposition party has been taken over by Nazis. All of that said, I have no problem with refusing to serve Nazis. It's not the "broadest definition." It is the definitive definition of what Trump is doing. Every policy that he pursues has been tailored to serve white interests. The same is true of his rhetoric. It's not hard to see why he's doing it: it works. This is why I and so many others referred to Trump's election as "Whitey's revenge." Democrats have been playing with the fire that is identity politics for so long -- and in doing so, have neglected and demonized the white American majority -- that it was only a matter of time before someone like Trump came along to rally them. Trump is the inevitable result of leftist identity politics. And as I have said before, this is the one thing about Trump that I don't like. I hate identity politics, and I sincerely wish that we could just retire them to the dustbin of history. But the problem is that what Trump is doing may, unfortunately, be necessary for as long as the Left makes it bones on the back of identity politics. I fail to see how this makes Trump not fascistic in any way - all I'm reading is a justification of this fascism as being a result of white people's power being challenged. | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On July 02 2018 10:10 kollin wrote: I fail to see how this makes Trump not fascistic in any way - all I'm reading is a justification of this fascism as being a result of white people's power being challenged. That's not fascism though. Fascism is burning jews. Nothing else. edit: /s, just in case | ||
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