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On June 30 2018 04:07 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2018 04:06 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 30 2018 04:04 xDaunt wrote:
Let's be perfectly clear on what happened in Venezuela under Chavez. He seized all of the foreign-owned oil assets like a good commie and then promptly ran them all into the ground as commies tend to do. The fact that a country as oil rich as Venezuela failed as badly as it has is about as damning of an indictment as you can make on radical socialist policies such as those implemented by Chavez and Maduro.
And the fact that people still revere Chavez is proof enough for me that are certain peoples that we just don't want coming to the US. Anyone who thinks that what Chavez did is a good idea is not compatible with a modern Western state like the US. Property rights matter when it comes to sustained economic success. The unfortunate reality is that Latin American states have a rather poor track record of understanding this. Like I mentioned earlier, I worry that we may see this continue when Obrador takes over Mexico. So yeah, build that wall. You do understand that poor people in South America have absolutely no obligation to run their lives according to the American values that would see them live their whole lives with nothing, right? I really don't care what the people in South America do. It's not my problem. But if they go and fuck up their country as bad as they fucked up Venezuela, I don't want them coming to the US to start over.
This doesn't make much sense, does it? Just talk to JimmiC. All the Venezuelans he knows hate Maduro and love American freedom.
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One of the things that's most beautiful about the Ocasio-Cortez win has been to watch the right trying to react. They understand that a strong left is something that does damage to them, so an argument has to be made about this before it becomes too popular. But they're not sure what this argument should be yet.
The result is we get basically free publicity because everyone talks about the policies but not everyone is sure what's wrong with them, and the one thing that all the problems have in common is that they're not about the policies themselves.
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On June 30 2018 19:02 Nebuchad wrote:
One of the things that's most beautiful about the Ocasio-Cortez win has been to watch the right trying to react. They understand that a strong left is something that does damage to them, so an argument has to be made about this before it becomes too popular. But they're not sure what this argument should be yet.
The result is we get basically free publicity because everyone talks about the policies but not everyone is sure what's wrong with them, and the one thing that all the problems have in common is that they're not about the policies themselves.
It's pretty hilarious to watch them paint Nancy Pelosi and Schumer as radical socialists.
There was some screenshot of Hannity going around where he was trying to paint things like "supporting seniors" as evil socialism. Like jfc...
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On June 30 2018 05:49 screamingpalm wrote:
Wow all this hate for socialism. The irony, is there is a large amount of socialism baked into our Constitution which people seem to forget. Article 1 Section 8 is a good example, where it mandates Congress to mint and tax to provide for the people. Our most popular (and I would argue- greatest) president ever was a Democratic Socialist. Elected four times, brought us out of the Great Depression, defeated fascism, gave us full employment, and was so loved that term limits were created to prevent it from happening ever again. When people say that this country would never accept an "avowed socialist" *sic*, perhaps they fell asleep in history class.
I also find it funny that someone earlier claimed that NPR was a reliable source. It is nothing more than corporatist and Clintonite propaganda and completely off when it comes to economics and how our monetary system operates. But this is a huge problem throughout our society. There is a woeful lack of education combined with severe propaganda campaigns to keep everyone misinformed. It allows politicians to play us like fools.
Not looking to bash FDR but he had plenty of fuckups along the way. It's not at all surprising that term limits became a thing. Let's not forget that there were plenty of dictators at that time that were doing an absolutely bang up job early into their time in office.
NPR is a perfectly good source. Their Planet Money podcast is terrific.
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On June 30 2018 22:17 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2018 08:26 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On June 30 2018 00:26 xDaunt wrote:On June 30 2018 00:03 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On June 29 2018 22:38 xDaunt wrote:On June 29 2018 22:34 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 29 2018 22:28 xDaunt wrote:
Let’s just presume that we abolish ICE. What next? What do we put in its place, if anything? Go back to not having it. Immigration isn't a big problem. If anything we have a refugee issue at the border. ICE doesn't really do much for that in the first place. The little it does can be put back under control of the Customs and Border Protection. It a wasteful and redundant organization you should probably be in favor of abolishing anyway. Of course I would go further, but it would be no big deal at all if they ceased existing tomorrow (other than people lost in their system perhaps). Refugees are a problem. Illegal immigration is a problem. And if Obrador becomes the next Chavez, we are going to be fucked if we don’t lock down the southern border. What is the data that shows we have a problem? Everything I've seen is that migration comes in waves throughout US history. The from South America wave looks done - most new immigrants are from Asia now, right? What, are you not paying to attention to the mess over in Europe? Yeah, the Europeans are clearly having a great time with the massive influx of refugees and migrants arriving at their shores. Also, Trump is clearly the 'next Chavez'. I expect better than this from you. Chavez murdered his country and Maduro is putting the final nails in the coffin. Comparing Trump to Chavez is simply retarded. As for the Trump / Chavez comparison... they are both economic populists. Their personality and political style is very similar too. https://www.acast.com/ft-alphachat/whyeconomicpopulistsalwaysdisappoint I did bunch of reading on this comparison and it is amazing the similarities. They have different targets and rhetoric but their strategy is the same. Anyone who loves one of those 2 but hates the other should do some digging. Heck they are even both reality TV stars. One thing that came up that I would love to hear the mental gymnastics it takes to justify is. Much like Trump, Chavez was a BILLIONAIRE. Now trump got his money from his Daddy and evading taxes. But Chavez somehow amassed this fortune as a "socialist" leader. It is almost like when he was appropriating businesses from people he didn't agree with, he wasn't so much interested in helping the people as he was himself! Now before someone defends this with "but the people loved him". Of course some people loved him, he made some of their lives better, and those he didn't he gave them an easy target for their rage, much like other leaders Jong, Stallin, Hitler. This just in Propaganda works! Especially when it is enforced. Stick too, Chavez was able to be a great socialist, stick to his values and live in extreme wealth while many of his countrymen were in extreme poverty (his supporters) because....
That simply isn't true. Chavez was rich as hell, yes, but he made lives better for the lower classes in Venezuala. Yes he did it with short-term economic policies that ultimately brought the country even lower, but he absolutely made life better for the lower classes who voted for him. He didn't make 'some' of their lives better, he made almost all of their lives better. He had the wealth to do it, and he did it.
Whatever his personal failings (governance principles obviously being one), Chavez definitely did do what he said he'd do in the short term. That's exactly why many in the West hate him so much. Nothing worse than giving people on the bottom a little bit of hope that Socialism - that ANYTHING but naked, brutal Capitalism - can work.
But again, it's all a bit like Trump.
The collapse won't be as brutal, of course, but when the short term tax breaks expire and the lower classes are even worse off while even more of their money is getting siphoned off to the people already bleeding them dry... well. We'll see if another populist rises to take advantage of the disaffection that will inevitably result.
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socialists and cartelists get along just great. 
i don't get how republicans claim they are champions of the free market and yet they build billion dollar sports stadiums using taxpayer money and then donate them to billionaire owners who pay players tens of millions of dollars. its welfare for the rich.
http://www.fieldofschemes.com/
the worst has to be the Florida Marlins. Not only do they get a free stadium... they get state sponsored concession stand ex-con employees who work for less than minimum wage. Including hard-core recovering ex-con alcoholics who are serving beer to baseball fans.
all a baseball stadium does is concentrate the spending of discretionary income in 1 small location. baseball stadiums do not create wealth.
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On June 30 2018 22:17 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2018 08:26 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On June 30 2018 00:26 xDaunt wrote:On June 30 2018 00:03 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On June 29 2018 22:38 xDaunt wrote:On June 29 2018 22:34 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 29 2018 22:28 xDaunt wrote:
Let’s just presume that we abolish ICE. What next? What do we put in its place, if anything? Go back to not having it. Immigration isn't a big problem. If anything we have a refugee issue at the border. ICE doesn't really do much for that in the first place. The little it does can be put back under control of the Customs and Border Protection. It a wasteful and redundant organization you should probably be in favor of abolishing anyway. Of course I would go further, but it would be no big deal at all if they ceased existing tomorrow (other than people lost in their system perhaps). Refugees are a problem. Illegal immigration is a problem. And if Obrador becomes the next Chavez, we are going to be fucked if we don’t lock down the southern border. What is the data that shows we have a problem? Everything I've seen is that migration comes in waves throughout US history. The from South America wave looks done - most new immigrants are from Asia now, right? What, are you not paying to attention to the mess over in Europe? Yeah, the Europeans are clearly having a great time with the massive influx of refugees and migrants arriving at their shores. Also, Trump is clearly the 'next Chavez'. I expect better than this from you. Chavez murdered his country and Maduro is putting the final nails in the coffin. Comparing Trump to Chavez is simply retarded. As for the Trump / Chavez comparison... they are both economic populists. Their personality and political style is very similar too. https://www.acast.com/ft-alphachat/whyeconomicpopulistsalwaysdisappoint I did bunch of reading on this comparison and it is amazing the similarities. They have different targets and rhetoric but their strategy is the same. Anyone who loves one of those 2 but hates the other should do some digging. Heck they are even both reality TV stars. One thing that came up that I would love to hear the mental gymnastics it takes to justify is. Much like Trump, Chavez was a BILLIONAIRE. Now trump got his money from his Daddy and evading taxes. But Chavez somehow amassed this fortune as a "socialist" leader. It is almost like when he was appropriating businesses from people he didn't agree with, he wasn't so much interested in helping the people as he was himself! Now before someone defends this with "but the people loved him". Of course some people loved him, he made some of their lives better, and those he didn't he gave them an easy target for their rage, much like other leaders Jong, Stallin, Hitler. This just in Propaganda works! Especially when it is enforced. Stick too, Chavez was able to be a great socialist, stick to his values and live in extreme wealth while many of his countrymen were in extreme poverty (his supporters) because....
They are political opposites and Chavez did do what he said as iamdave pointed out. This "anyone popular is like Trump" meme has to get reined in.
I'm curious though, I saw some speculation and allegations of him amassing a personal fortune but I didn't really see any evidence. Given it wouldn't surprise me at all to see any national leader stealing money from the people (I mean Trump's charging the secret service to protect him [by way of golf carts, and accommodations namely]) but that seems like a largely unsubstantiated rumor.
Did you have something that you read that detailed the supporting evidence of the allegation?
I'm loving these protests today, just hope more of them end up at ICE facilities shutting them down.
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On July 01 2018 04:28 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2018 04:04 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 30 2018 22:17 JimmiC wrote:On June 30 2018 08:26 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On June 30 2018 00:26 xDaunt wrote:On June 30 2018 00:03 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On June 29 2018 22:38 xDaunt wrote:On June 29 2018 22:34 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 29 2018 22:28 xDaunt wrote:
Let’s just presume that we abolish ICE. What next? What do we put in its place, if anything? Go back to not having it. Immigration isn't a big problem. If anything we have a refugee issue at the border. ICE doesn't really do much for that in the first place. The little it does can be put back under control of the Customs and Border Protection. It a wasteful and redundant organization you should probably be in favor of abolishing anyway. Of course I would go further, but it would be no big deal at all if they ceased existing tomorrow (other than people lost in their system perhaps). Refugees are a problem. Illegal immigration is a problem. And if Obrador becomes the next Chavez, we are going to be fucked if we don’t lock down the southern border. What is the data that shows we have a problem? Everything I've seen is that migration comes in waves throughout US history. The from South America wave looks done - most new immigrants are from Asia now, right? What, are you not paying to attention to the mess over in Europe? Yeah, the Europeans are clearly having a great time with the massive influx of refugees and migrants arriving at their shores. Also, Trump is clearly the 'next Chavez'. I expect better than this from you. Chavez murdered his country and Maduro is putting the final nails in the coffin. Comparing Trump to Chavez is simply retarded. As for the Trump / Chavez comparison... they are both economic populists. Their personality and political style is very similar too. https://www.acast.com/ft-alphachat/whyeconomicpopulistsalwaysdisappoint I did bunch of reading on this comparison and it is amazing the similarities. They have different targets and rhetoric but their strategy is the same. Anyone who loves one of those 2 but hates the other should do some digging. Heck they are even both reality TV stars. One thing that came up that I would love to hear the mental gymnastics it takes to justify is. Much like Trump, Chavez was a BILLIONAIRE. Now trump got his money from his Daddy and evading taxes. But Chavez somehow amassed this fortune as a "socialist" leader. It is almost like when he was appropriating businesses from people he didn't agree with, he wasn't so much interested in helping the people as he was himself! Now before someone defends this with "but the people loved him". Of course some people loved him, he made some of their lives better, and those he didn't he gave them an easy target for their rage, much like other leaders Jong, Stallin, Hitler. This just in Propaganda works! Especially when it is enforced. Stick too, Chavez was able to be a great socialist, stick to his values and live in extreme wealth while many of his countrymen were in extreme poverty (his supporters) because.... They are political opposites and Chavez did do what he said as iamdave pointed out. This "anyone popular is like Trump" meme has to get reined in. I'm curious though, I saw some speculation and allegations of him amassing a personal fortune but I didn't really see any evidence. Given it wouldn't surprise me at all to see any national leader stealing money from the people (I mean Trump's charging the secret service to protect him [by way of golf carts, and accommodations namely]) but that seems like a largely unsubstantiated rumor. Did you have something that you read that detailed the supporting evidence of the allegation? I'm loving these protests today, just hope more of them end up at ICE facilities shutting them down. https://www.therichest.com/celebnetworth/politician/president/hugo-chavez-net-worth/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/venezuela/9993238/Venezuela-the-wealth-of-Chavez-family-exposed.htmlAnd if those are "propaganda" some how his daughters are living like billionaress's and is reportadly worth 4.2 billion! Not bad for the daughter of a working man. https://www.latinpost.com/articles/71424/20150812/maria-gabriela-chávez-net-worth-hugo-chávezs-daughter-richest-woman-in-venezuela-worth-4-2-billion.htmhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3192933/Hugo-Chavez-s-ambassador-daughter-Venezuela-s-richest-woman-according-new-report.htmlTrump has also "done what he said" just like chavez, you are proving the connection!
Was there a quote in those of the evidence? Not sure his daughter living in the presidential residence really gets us to Chavez dying a billionaire.
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On July 01 2018 04:40 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2018 04:37 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 01 2018 04:28 JimmiC wrote:On July 01 2018 04:04 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 30 2018 22:17 JimmiC wrote:On June 30 2018 08:26 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On June 30 2018 00:26 xDaunt wrote:On June 30 2018 00:03 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On June 29 2018 22:38 xDaunt wrote:On June 29 2018 22:34 GreenHorizons wrote:
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Go back to not having it. Immigration isn't a big problem. If anything we have a refugee issue at the border. ICE doesn't really do much for that in the first place. The little it does can be put back under control of the Customs and Border Protection. It a wasteful and redundant organization you should probably be in favor of abolishing anyway.
Of course I would go further, but it would be no big deal at all if they ceased existing tomorrow (other than people lost in their system perhaps). Refugees are a problem. Illegal immigration is a problem. And if Obrador becomes the next Chavez, we are going to be fucked if we don’t lock down the southern border. What is the data that shows we have a problem? Everything I've seen is that migration comes in waves throughout US history. The from South America wave looks done - most new immigrants are from Asia now, right? What, are you not paying to attention to the mess over in Europe? Yeah, the Europeans are clearly having a great time with the massive influx of refugees and migrants arriving at their shores. Also, Trump is clearly the 'next Chavez'. I expect better than this from you. Chavez murdered his country and Maduro is putting the final nails in the coffin. Comparing Trump to Chavez is simply retarded. As for the Trump / Chavez comparison... they are both economic populists. Their personality and political style is very similar too. https://www.acast.com/ft-alphachat/whyeconomicpopulistsalwaysdisappoint I did bunch of reading on this comparison and it is amazing the similarities. They have different targets and rhetoric but their strategy is the same. Anyone who loves one of those 2 but hates the other should do some digging. Heck they are even both reality TV stars. One thing that came up that I would love to hear the mental gymnastics it takes to justify is. Much like Trump, Chavez was a BILLIONAIRE. Now trump got his money from his Daddy and evading taxes. But Chavez somehow amassed this fortune as a "socialist" leader. It is almost like when he was appropriating businesses from people he didn't agree with, he wasn't so much interested in helping the people as he was himself! Now before someone defends this with "but the people loved him". Of course some people loved him, he made some of their lives better, and those he didn't he gave them an easy target for their rage, much like other leaders Jong, Stallin, Hitler. This just in Propaganda works! Especially when it is enforced. Stick too, Chavez was able to be a great socialist, stick to his values and live in extreme wealth while many of his countrymen were in extreme poverty (his supporters) because.... They are political opposites and Chavez did do what he said as iamdave pointed out. This "anyone popular is like Trump" meme has to get reined in. I'm curious though, I saw some speculation and allegations of him amassing a personal fortune but I didn't really see any evidence. Given it wouldn't surprise me at all to see any national leader stealing money from the people (I mean Trump's charging the secret service to protect him [by way of golf carts, and accommodations namely]) but that seems like a largely unsubstantiated rumor. Did you have something that you read that detailed the supporting evidence of the allegation? I'm loving these protests today, just hope more of them end up at ICE facilities shutting them down. https://www.therichest.com/celebnetworth/politician/president/hugo-chavez-net-worth/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/venezuela/9993238/Venezuela-the-wealth-of-Chavez-family-exposed.htmlAnd if those are "propaganda" some how his daughters are living like billionaress's and is reportadly worth 4.2 billion! Not bad for the daughter of a working man. https://www.latinpost.com/articles/71424/20150812/maria-gabriela-chávez-net-worth-hugo-chávezs-daughter-richest-woman-in-venezuela-worth-4-2-billion.htmhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3192933/Hugo-Chavez-s-ambassador-daughter-Venezuela-s-richest-woman-according-new-report.htmlTrump has also "done what he said" just like chavez, you are proving the connection! Was there a quote in those of the evidence? Not sure his daughter living in the presidential residence really gets us to Chavez dying a billionaire. Youre right, the right wing propganda machine attacking socialism again. No way a dictator would steal from his people and pass that money down to his daughter..... Im guessing you gave up reading them? If nto i can lost more if you will actually read.
You say that as if there isn't a long documented history of them doing exactly that. I already conceded it wouldn't surprise me, and Chavez wasn't a dictator. He was elected, then the US tried to oust him with a coup and his people forced him back into power against imperialist demands.
I had actually already read them before you posted them, I was wondering if I missed the evidence provided within them. So was there a quote of the evidence you wanted to share from those?
@Mohdoo I Hope you're with the crowd heading to ICE! Tell DHS to shove it!
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Looks like things are going well with Republican's efforts to pass immigration legislation. The current status is that (1) the president wanted House republicans to pass an immigration bill and (2) the president did not want house Republicans to pass an immigration bill. I'll bet they'll be building that wall anytime now.
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On July 01 2018 05:29 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2018 04:45 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 01 2018 04:40 JimmiC wrote:On July 01 2018 04:37 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 01 2018 04:28 JimmiC wrote:On July 01 2018 04:04 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 30 2018 22:17 JimmiC wrote:On June 30 2018 08:26 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On June 30 2018 00:26 xDaunt wrote:On June 30 2018 00:03 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
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What is the data that shows we have a problem? Everything I've seen is that migration comes in waves throughout US history. The from South America wave looks done - most new immigrants are from Asia now, right? What, are you not paying to attention to the mess over in Europe? Yeah, the Europeans are clearly having a great time with the massive influx of refugees and migrants arriving at their shores. Also, Trump is clearly the 'next Chavez'. I expect better than this from you. Chavez murdered his country and Maduro is putting the final nails in the coffin. Comparing Trump to Chavez is simply retarded. As for the Trump / Chavez comparison... they are both economic populists. Their personality and political style is very similar too. https://www.acast.com/ft-alphachat/whyeconomicpopulistsalwaysdisappoint I did bunch of reading on this comparison and it is amazing the similarities. They have different targets and rhetoric but their strategy is the same. Anyone who loves one of those 2 but hates the other should do some digging. Heck they are even both reality TV stars. One thing that came up that I would love to hear the mental gymnastics it takes to justify is. Much like Trump, Chavez was a BILLIONAIRE. Now trump got his money from his Daddy and evading taxes. But Chavez somehow amassed this fortune as a "socialist" leader. It is almost like when he was appropriating businesses from people he didn't agree with, he wasn't so much interested in helping the people as he was himself! Now before someone defends this with "but the people loved him". Of course some people loved him, he made some of their lives better, and those he didn't he gave them an easy target for their rage, much like other leaders Jong, Stallin, Hitler. This just in Propaganda works! Especially when it is enforced. Stick too, Chavez was able to be a great socialist, stick to his values and live in extreme wealth while many of his countrymen were in extreme poverty (his supporters) because.... They are political opposites and Chavez did do what he said as iamdave pointed out. This "anyone popular is like Trump" meme has to get reined in. I'm curious though, I saw some speculation and allegations of him amassing a personal fortune but I didn't really see any evidence. Given it wouldn't surprise me at all to see any national leader stealing money from the people (I mean Trump's charging the secret service to protect him [by way of golf carts, and accommodations namely]) but that seems like a largely unsubstantiated rumor. Did you have something that you read that detailed the supporting evidence of the allegation? I'm loving these protests today, just hope more of them end up at ICE facilities shutting them down. https://www.therichest.com/celebnetworth/politician/president/hugo-chavez-net-worth/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/venezuela/9993238/Venezuela-the-wealth-of-Chavez-family-exposed.htmlAnd if those are "propaganda" some how his daughters are living like billionaress's and is reportadly worth 4.2 billion! Not bad for the daughter of a working man. https://www.latinpost.com/articles/71424/20150812/maria-gabriela-chávez-net-worth-hugo-chávezs-daughter-richest-woman-in-venezuela-worth-4-2-billion.htmhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3192933/Hugo-Chavez-s-ambassador-daughter-Venezuela-s-richest-woman-according-new-report.htmlTrump has also "done what he said" just like chavez, you are proving the connection! Was there a quote in those of the evidence? Not sure his daughter living in the presidential residence really gets us to Chavez dying a billionaire. Youre right, the right wing propganda machine attacking socialism again. No way a dictator would steal from his people and pass that money down to his daughter..... Im guessing you gave up reading them? If nto i can lost more if you will actually read. You say that as if there isn't a long documented history of them doing exactly that. I already conceded it wouldn't surprise me, and Chavez wasn't a dictator. He was elected, then the US tried to oust him with a coup and his people forced him back into power against imperialist demands. I had actually already read them before you posted them, I was wondering if I missed the evidence provided within them. So was there a quote of the evidence you wanted to share from those? @Mohdoo I Hope you're with the crowd heading to ICE! Tell DHS to shove it! He began elected then became a dictator, that is how it often happens. Putin was also elected, but guess what he is now a dictator. I like how you say she lives in the presidential residence no big deal, but it was costing 3.6 million a day! Sounds like a working class existence. It is actually mind boggling how much unintended irony is in your posts. You are so against "right wing" propaganda and you rail about trump saying "fake" news. But anything you dislike is "fake news" and you drink down the left wing propaganda with complete belief. You are so borghese and you like pretending to be socialist but you also do not follow it and share your own wealth. I doubt you even donate more then gives you a tax break. You are clearly either completely brainwashed and deluded or inexplicably dumb to think that Chavez and Madura are good leaders and actual socialists. No point continuing the conversation because you will call anything you disagree with "fake news" and even though you admit that likely it is true about Chavez and his families wealth that doesn't register to you, that like you they are not true believers. It just is a good story to tell.
Got it. No evidence that you wanted to quote.
EDIT: Since you added quotes I'll address them. Besides the source of the "estimate" of the cost, do you have any idea what that money would actually be spent on?
Sincere question, does the article cited in your quote exist?
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On July 01 2018 05:25 Doodsmack wrote:Looks like things are going well with Republican's efforts to pass immigration legislation. The current status is that (1) the president wanted House republicans to pass an immigration bill and (2) the president did not want house Republicans to pass an immigration bill. I'll bet they'll be building that wall anytime now. https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1013143151501021185
His words are meaningless. Trump lies all the time, and this is your daily reminder. He will lie, left right and center, as the political winds change. When he feels like he can pull off his bullshit, one lie will leave his mouth, and as people start to show that they're not gonna put up with it, he changes his mind instantly. It simply amazes me that we don't have a Mental Olympics, with the people in this country that continue to support him. It would be a fantastic spectacle indeed.
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perhaps the most important factor to the "success" of socialism in venezuela under chavez was that the price of oil at the time, which made the country relatively flush. it has a lot of parallels to the scandinavian countries which are often lauded for their strong social safety programs whose economies largely rely on north sea oil. i find it more than a little ironic that capitalism is basically what makes all that work.
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