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Its the pendulum swinging the other way (at least in some states). Also I dont think its correct to blame capitalism for this. This is reqligious fundamentalism sprinkled with anger and resentment.
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On July 15 2022 21:55 Slydie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2022 10:58 JimmiC wrote:
The pro-punishment is so much more accurate to their beliefs than pro-life.
Edit: just to expand. The first one you have putting a 10 year old at risk (pregnancy is dangerous for someone that young) so she is forced to have her Child rapists baby. How is this good for anyone? Do you really want to send the message to ultra terrible child rapists that they can have forced babies with minor victims?
The next one is explicitly not prolife since they are not allowing it medical emergencies?
This is fricking awful shit, how can this be popular with anyone let alone someone that labels themselves
pro-life".
Why the hell are politicians proudly fighting for profoundly awful rules and over half of many states are cheering them on? I read a recent analysis that it is basically revenge for the original Roe vs Wade, which was really an overstep for what a court should get to decide and not a decision not profoundly in line with the population. If liberation of abortion rights came more gradually and lead by politicians instead of courts (how it worked in most other countries), we would probably not have seen this. In some years, I believe they will come to a more reasonable compromise. What in the last decade + of the Republican party has given you the impression that there will be something more reasonable?
There is nothing reasonable left.
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On July 15 2022 23:38 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2022 21:55 Slydie wrote:On July 15 2022 10:58 JimmiC wrote:
The pro-punishment is so much more accurate to their beliefs than pro-life.
Edit: just to expand. The first one you have putting a 10 year old at risk (pregnancy is dangerous for someone that young) so she is forced to have her Child rapists baby. How is this good for anyone? Do you really want to send the message to ultra terrible child rapists that they can have forced babies with minor victims?
The next one is explicitly not prolife since they are not allowing it medical emergencies?
This is fricking awful shit, how can this be popular with anyone let alone someone that labels themselves
pro-life".
Why the hell are politicians proudly fighting for profoundly awful rules and over half of many states are cheering them on? I read a recent analysis that it is basically revenge for the original Roe vs Wade, which was really an overstep for what a court should get to decide and not a decision not profoundly in line with the population. If liberation of abortion rights came more gradually and lead by politicians instead of courts (how it worked in most other countries), we would probably not have seen this. In some years, I believe they will come to a more reasonable compromise. What in the last decade + of the Republican party has given you the impression that there will be something more reasonable? There is nothing reasonable left.
Yeah, this take that the republicans will become reasonable once they have gotten the insane shit they want needs to die. They will just come up with even more insane shit, and just push further and further.
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Joe Manchin continues to prove his worth by declaring he won’t support any climate spending or tax increases for the wealthy. He’s going to make sure he tanks Democrats for the midterms as hard as he can. He’s such a genuine asset to the Democrats and I’m soooo glad they’re not even trying to whip him into shape. Democrats are a highly competent party that cares so very deeply for curing the many ills infecting America.
Long past time to stop relying on him and to adjust any electoral focus towards other states, for however long that’s even worth given the state of the US in the wake of an aggressive Republican Supreme Court.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2022/07/14/manchin-climate-tax-bbb/
To win over Manchin, Democrats already had agreed to surrender their most prized spending proposals, from offering paid family and medical leave to providing child care, free prekindergarten and tax benefits to low-income Americans. But their cuts still proved insufficient for the austerity-minded moderate, who in recent days grew ever more skittish amid reports of record-high prices.
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On July 16 2022 01:06 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2022 23:38 Gorsameth wrote:On July 15 2022 21:55 Slydie wrote:On July 15 2022 10:58 JimmiC wrote:
The pro-punishment is so much more accurate to their beliefs than pro-life.
Edit: just to expand. The first one you have putting a 10 year old at risk (pregnancy is dangerous for someone that young) so she is forced to have her Child rapists baby. How is this good for anyone? Do you really want to send the message to ultra terrible child rapists that they can have forced babies with minor victims?
The next one is explicitly not prolife since they are not allowing it medical emergencies?
This is fricking awful shit, how can this be popular with anyone let alone someone that labels themselves
pro-life".
Why the hell are politicians proudly fighting for profoundly awful rules and over half of many states are cheering them on? I read a recent analysis that it is basically revenge for the original Roe vs Wade, which was really an overstep for what a court should get to decide and not a decision not profoundly in line with the population. If liberation of abortion rights came more gradually and lead by politicians instead of courts (how it worked in most other countries), we would probably not have seen this. In some years, I believe they will come to a more reasonable compromise. What in the last decade + of the Republican party has given you the impression that there will be something more reasonable? There is nothing reasonable left. Yeah, this take that the republicans will become reasonable once they have gotten the insane shit they want needs to die. They will just come up with even more insane shit, and just push further and further.
What's wild to think about is that Republicans are very likely to at least win the House and favored to win the Senate. Biden is going to not pass anything for the last 2 years of his term or he's going to be signing Republican's batshit bills into law.
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How shameful that Biden isn't going to meet with Shereen Abu Aqleh's family. Amazing that the one thing that both parties agree on is that we have to grovel and support Israel no matter what outrages they commit. Now he's off to rub elbows in the other country that murders journalists with impunity.
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On July 16 2022 01:59 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2022 20:39 plasmidghost wrote:On July 13 2022 20:15 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
That footage x.x 77 minutes go by before the police decide to actually stop the shooter. "The sound of children screaming has been removed" from the video; I can only hope that politicians and gun rights activists are forced to listen to the unedited version, children and all. The cop browsing his phone that has the Punisher logo while children die a few yards away enraged me so much. What utter cruelty and callousness Turns out that guy was married to one of the teachers who was killed and was trying to contact her. https://ca.yahoo.com/news/lawmaker-officer-uvalde-video-husband-170248586.html
And he still didn't try to open the fucking door ?
On July 16 2022 02:02 Starlightsun wrote:
How shameful that Biden isn't going to meet with Shereen Abu Aqleh's family. Amazing that the one thing that both parties agree on is that we have to grovel and support Israel no matter what outrages they commit. Now he's off to rub elbows in the other country that murders journalists with impunity.
It's going to be hard to forget the rush of her casket as well. Another terror state.
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On July 16 2022 02:10 Erasme wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2022 01:59 JimmiC wrote:On July 13 2022 20:39 plasmidghost wrote:On July 13 2022 20:15 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
That footage x.x 77 minutes go by before the police decide to actually stop the shooter. "The sound of children screaming has been removed" from the video; I can only hope that politicians and gun rights activists are forced to listen to the unedited version, children and all. The cop browsing his phone that has the Punisher logo while children die a few yards away enraged me so much. What utter cruelty and callousness Turns out that guy was married to one of the teachers who was killed and was trying to contact her. https://ca.yahoo.com/news/lawmaker-officer-uvalde-video-husband-170248586.html And he still didn't try to open the fucking door ? Show nested quote +On July 16 2022 02:02 Starlightsun wrote:
How shameful that Biden isn't going to meet with Shereen Abu Aqleh's family. Amazing that the one thing that both parties agree on is that we have to grovel and support Israel no matter what outrages they commit. Now he's off to rub elbows in the other country that murders journalists with impunity. It's going to be hard to forget the rush of her casket as well. Another terror state.
Sometimes you have to arm and fund a globally recognized illegal occupation engaged in ethnic cleansing, you know, for freedom and democracy's sake.
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yea you’d like to think this has exposed the concept of arming teachers as an obvious farce but with enough money the NRA can convince certain people of anything. makes me want to move to australia. imagine a world where the deadliest things around are animals.
i think I had read that the officer did try to get in the door, for what it’s worth. may be worth getting the full story before judging a widower.
Texas Department of Public Safety Director Steve McCraw said at a hearing last month that Ruiz tried to rescue his dying wife but “was detained, and they took his gun away from him and escorted him off the scene.” He did not mention which of the many departments on scene detained him.
we may deduce this was after his lackadaisical phone browsing since he still had his weapon but who knows.
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On July 16 2022 00:33 JimmiC wrote:
It would be nice if they did. It is frightening that they are rallying around forcing a 10 yearold to have a dangerous pregnacy after rape and putting barriers to life saving emergency decisions which are already basically the worst time in a lersons life.
How can people be proud of their party right now? All the people in here saying we were exaggerating and there was going to be sensible rules and blah blah. Is this what you were talking about?
And then extra terrifying is what is next? And are the Republicans just going to jump on board with that too no matter how freaking horrible it is?
See this hearing where the pro-life activist says that isn't an abortion and she would be allowed to get an abortion in state despite all of that not being true. Ignore the inflammatory reddit title.
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/vz2sl6/forcedbirth_activist_tries_to_redefine_the_term/
What they believe or mental gymnastics themselves into doesn't even matter or line up with the laws or science. I respect people like Introvert more who believe in something consistently rather than whatever this is even if I disagree with Introvert's abortion stance.
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On July 16 2022 03:49 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2022 00:33 JimmiC wrote:
It would be nice if they did. It is frightening that they are rallying around forcing a 10 yearold to have a dangerous pregnacy after rape and putting barriers to life saving emergency decisions which are already basically the worst time in a lersons life.
How can people be proud of their party right now? All the people in here saying we were exaggerating and there was going to be sensible rules and blah blah. Is this what you were talking about?
And then extra terrifying is what is next? And are the Republicans just going to jump on board with that too no matter how freaking horrible it is? See this hearing where the pro-life activist says that isn't an abortion and she would be allowed to get an abortion in state despite all of that not being true. Ignore the inflammatory reddit title. https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/vz2sl6/forcedbirth_activist_tries_to_redefine_the_term/What they believe or mental gymnastics themselves into doesn't even matter or line up with the laws or science. I respect people like Introvert more who believe in something consistently rather than whatever this is even if I disagree with Introvert's abortion stance.
God hates them. Check out these 11 weird tricks to make violating God's laws not a sin!
But seriously, when faced with extraordinarily encompassing rules, religious people don't rethink the rules, because the rules come from God. But the rules are too arduous to live with, so they find ways to redefine things to create exceptions to the rules. From "Beavers aren't meat," to "anal isn't sex."
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On July 16 2022 04:55 Kyadytim wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2022 03:49 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On July 16 2022 00:33 JimmiC wrote:
It would be nice if they did. It is frightening that they are rallying around forcing a 10 yearold to have a dangerous pregnacy after rape and putting barriers to life saving emergency decisions which are already basically the worst time in a lersons life.
How can people be proud of their party right now? All the people in here saying we were exaggerating and there was going to be sensible rules and blah blah. Is this what you were talking about?
And then extra terrifying is what is next? And are the Republicans just going to jump on board with that too no matter how freaking horrible it is? See this hearing where the pro-life activist says that isn't an abortion and she would be allowed to get an abortion in state despite all of that not being true. Ignore the inflammatory reddit title. https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/vz2sl6/forcedbirth_activist_tries_to_redefine_the_term/What they believe or mental gymnastics themselves into doesn't even matter or line up with the laws or science. I respect people like Introvert more who believe in something consistently rather than whatever this is even if I disagree with Introvert's abortion stance. God hates them. Check out these 11 weird tricks to make violating God's laws not a sin! But seriously, when faced with extraordinarily encompassing rules, religious people don't rethink the rules, because the rules come from God. But the rules are too arduous to live with, so they find ways to redefine things to create exceptions to the rules. From "Beavers aren't meat," to "anal isn't sex."
Or, and this is one of my favorites, "that's from the Old Testament so it doesn't matter anymore"
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On July 16 2022 02:57 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2022 02:10 Erasme wrote:On July 16 2022 01:59 JimmiC wrote:On July 13 2022 20:39 plasmidghost wrote:On July 13 2022 20:15 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
That footage x.x 77 minutes go by before the police decide to actually stop the shooter. "The sound of children screaming has been removed" from the video; I can only hope that politicians and gun rights activists are forced to listen to the unedited version, children and all. The cop browsing his phone that has the Punisher logo while children die a few yards away enraged me so much. What utter cruelty and callousness Turns out that guy was married to one of the teachers who was killed and was trying to contact her. https://ca.yahoo.com/news/lawmaker-officer-uvalde-video-husband-170248586.html And he still didn't try to open the fucking door ? On July 16 2022 02:02 Starlightsun wrote:
How shameful that Biden isn't going to meet with Shereen Abu Aqleh's family. Amazing that the one thing that both parties agree on is that we have to grovel and support Israel no matter what outrages they commit. Now he's off to rub elbows in the other country that murders journalists with impunity. It's going to be hard to forget the rush of her casket as well. Another terror state. Sometimes you have to arm and fund a globally recognized illegal occupation engaged in ethnic cleansing, you know, for freedom and democracy's sake.
Don't worry, I have plenty of posts in this very thread condemning Israel, which is unfortunatly as much as I can do.
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On July 16 2022 06:06 Erasme wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2022 02:57 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 16 2022 02:10 Erasme wrote:On July 16 2022 01:59 JimmiC wrote:On July 13 2022 20:39 plasmidghost wrote:On July 13 2022 20:15 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
That footage x.x 77 minutes go by before the police decide to actually stop the shooter. "The sound of children screaming has been removed" from the video; I can only hope that politicians and gun rights activists are forced to listen to the unedited version, children and all. The cop browsing his phone that has the Punisher logo while children die a few yards away enraged me so much. What utter cruelty and callousness Turns out that guy was married to one of the teachers who was killed and was trying to contact her. https://ca.yahoo.com/news/lawmaker-officer-uvalde-video-husband-170248586.html And he still didn't try to open the fucking door ? On July 16 2022 02:02 Starlightsun wrote:
How shameful that Biden isn't going to meet with Shereen Abu Aqleh's family. Amazing that the one thing that both parties agree on is that we have to grovel and support Israel no matter what outrages they commit. Now he's off to rub elbows in the other country that murders journalists with impunity. It's going to be hard to forget the rush of her casket as well. Another terror state. Sometimes you have to arm and fund a globally recognized illegal occupation engaged in ethnic cleansing, you know, for freedom and democracy's sake. Don't worry, I have plenty of posts in this very thread condemning Israel, which is unfortunatly as much as I can do. I believe you. It's not a comment about you though, it's a comment about US foreign policy. Specifically, the ongoing illegal occupation and ethnic cleansing campaign the US is arming and supporting politically.
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On July 16 2022 06:28 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2022 06:06 Erasme wrote:On July 16 2022 02:57 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 16 2022 02:10 Erasme wrote:On July 16 2022 01:59 JimmiC wrote:On July 13 2022 20:39 plasmidghost wrote:On July 13 2022 20:15 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
That footage x.x 77 minutes go by before the police decide to actually stop the shooter. "The sound of children screaming has been removed" from the video; I can only hope that politicians and gun rights activists are forced to listen to the unedited version, children and all. The cop browsing his phone that has the Punisher logo while children die a few yards away enraged me so much. What utter cruelty and callousness Turns out that guy was married to one of the teachers who was killed and was trying to contact her. https://ca.yahoo.com/news/lawmaker-officer-uvalde-video-husband-170248586.html And he still didn't try to open the fucking door ? On July 16 2022 02:02 Starlightsun wrote:
How shameful that Biden isn't going to meet with Shereen Abu Aqleh's family. Amazing that the one thing that both parties agree on is that we have to grovel and support Israel no matter what outrages they commit. Now he's off to rub elbows in the other country that murders journalists with impunity. It's going to be hard to forget the rush of her casket as well. Another terror state. Sometimes you have to arm and fund a globally recognized illegal occupation engaged in ethnic cleansing, you know, for freedom and democracy's sake. Don't worry, I have plenty of posts in this very thread condemning Israel, which is unfortunatly as much as I can do. I believe you. It's not a comment about you though, it's a comment about US foreign policy. Specifically, the ongoing illegal occupation and ethnic cleansing campaign the US is arming and supporting politically.
What does the US actually gain for its basic unwavering support?
While I find many alliances of convenience morally questionable thru repugnant, there’s often at least some pragmatic thread running through them.
Israel being ‘America’s greatest ally’ seems absurdly skewed in terms of where the benefits of said alliance are
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