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On July 13 2022 01:19 food wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2022 15:32 StasisField wrote:
Yeah no, Russia isn't our #1 priority, not by a long shot. We have crippling infrastructure, massive wealth inequality, terrible healthcare for the average American, civil unrest, an unchecked police state, far-right militant groups planning coups with one of the major political parties, worsening climate change, attacks on the rights, freedoms, and lives of marginalized groups, a Supreme Court poised to end democracy in this country, and a whole lot more all going on. The far right is slowly dismantling this country and rebuilding it into a Christian Fascist state that will persecute anyone who opposes it. I hope the people of Ukraine fight back the Russian invasion and reclaim their land, but that is not my biggest concern and not by a long shot.
And I don't agree with the progressives who voted against those bills but I also don't think their reasoning is as poor as you're making it out to be. Everything you mentioned is bound to get a lot worse if Russia takes Ukraine and China decides it could try the same with Taiwan. I have no doubt Putin discussed his plan to invade with comrade Xi at the start of the olympics. The shockwaves the event of this magnitude would send would obliterate the world economy as we know it. It's hard to imagine where and how the US would source everything if we were to clash with China. Nothing internal that's going on right now is anywhere close to being as important for our immediate future.
I disagree. Far-right violence and planned coup attempts, persecution of LGBTQ people and racial and ethnic minorities, the erosion of democracy, and the establishment of a theocratic state are going to get worse no matter what happens with Russia and Ukraine.
Also, I don't think any nations thinking about invading another nation are looking at the Russia-Ukraine war and getting encouraged by what they're seeing. Russia has already been set back decades and even if they win they'll be ruling over rubble.
Our economy is entering a recession anyways and I have serious doubts China wants to actually fight the US, either directly or indirectly. Also, those problems I listed above like losing our democracy and far-right violence and coups? That is this country's immediate future. Moore v Harper is being taken up by the Supreme Court. Experts on civil wars are warning the country to expect right-wing insurgency. We are watching our country back-slide in real time as conservatives strip away our rights. What I'm concerned about is my immediate future and I think the absolute failure that the war has been for Russia and the threat of global economic collapse is enough to deter China from invading Taiwan.
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Footage from the Uvalde massacre was released. I can't give enough content warnings to this absolute nightmare of a video, but it makes the cops look so much worse than was reported, which I thought had to be impossible.
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Jesus fucking Christ. The thin blue line is looking increasingly anorexic
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That footage x.x 77 minutes go by before the police decide to actually stop the shooter. "The sound of children screaming has been removed" from the video; I can only hope that politicians and gun rights activists are forced to listen to the unedited version, children and all.
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On July 13 2022 20:15 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
That footage x.x 77 minutes go by before the police decide to actually stop the shooter. "The sound of children screaming has been removed" from the video; I can only hope that politicians and gun rights activists are forced to listen to the unedited version, children and all.
The cop browsing his phone that has the Punisher logo while children die a few yards away enraged me so much. What utter cruelty and callousness
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On July 14 2022 00:33 JimmiC wrote:
I think it would be really interesting for someone who was conceived in the US but born outside to sue for citizenship and so on. Republicans should support that no?
Gives "sex tourism" a whole new meaning.
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i think the state of our country is horse shit, largely thanks to republican voters. so this isn’t a defense of it in principal, but i don’t think that conclusion follows. the supreme court has said that abortion is not a federal guarantee, period. it didn’t say a fetus is a child.
some states are, sure, but that isn’t the same as guaranteeing citizenship.
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On July 14 2022 01:59 brian wrote:
i think the state of our country is horse shit, largely thanks to republican voters. so this isn’t a defense of it in principal, but i don’t think that conclusion follows. the supreme court has said that abortion is not a federal guarantee, period. it didn’t say a fetus is a child.
some states are, sure, but that isn’t the same as guaranteeing citizenship.
Yeah, i am certain that republicans will find a way to have schroedingers fetus which is a person when it comes to controlling womens bodies, but which definitively is not a person when it comes to letting brown people enter the country.
Luckily, they don't have any principles they believe in at all, so the dissonance doesn't matter.
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Republicans (especially Trump supporters) oppose birthright citizenship, particularly as applied to undocumented migrants and non-permanent residents.
Probably got lost in the cascade of absurdity but Trump specifically wanted to sign an executive order nullifying the citizenship aspect of the 14th amendment (and probably the rest of it too eventually).
I suspect Republicans would cheer gleefully if anyone was oblivious enough to pick a fight over fetal citizenship.
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On July 14 2022 02:31 JimmiC wrote:
The movement is trying to suggest the start of life is conception. So the arguement would be if you started your life in the US, are you a US citizen? Im sure that is not determined because before this your start of life was birth.
There is already a procedure for being born outside the US and getting citizenship, so why not this?
Most of the arguement for making abortion a crime is you are killing a baby. They specifically do not want to differenciate between fetus and baby.
So why do it for citizenship?
the carving out you’re talking about for birth outside the us is for children of us citizens. i assume you aren’t proposing that as a result of the supreme court decision, because it already exists. right?
so you’re suggesting non citizens are coming to the us, conceive, leave and have a child outside the us that would still be a US citizen. this is what im suggesting doesn’t follow from the court decision. it simply removed the right to an abortion. it didn’t confer any status or protections to the fetus. shrug.
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On July 13 2022 20:15 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
That footage x.x 77 minutes go by before the police decide to actually stop the shooter. "The sound of children screaming has been removed" from the video; I can only hope that politicians and gun rights activists are forced to listen to the unedited version, children and all.
There are calls for releasing the gory photos after mass shootings to show people an unsanitized version of what guns do to the human body. Not sure how I feel about that... Seems like they should do it only if victim's family consents, but I wonder if it would even make a difference considering how desensitized and hardened in their opinions people are.
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On July 14 2022 03:17 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2022 03:06 Starlightsun wrote:On July 13 2022 20:15 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
That footage x.x 77 minutes go by before the police decide to actually stop the shooter. "The sound of children screaming has been removed" from the video; I can only hope that politicians and gun rights activists are forced to listen to the unedited version, children and all. There are calls for releasing the gory photos after mass shootings to show people an unsanitized version of what guns do to the human body. Not sure how I feel about that... Seems like they should do it only if victim's family consents, but I wonder if it would even make a difference considering how desensitized and hardened in their opinions people are. I do not think it would. Might also facinate a certain group of people. One of the latest shooters dad has no regrets about helping his son buy the gun. Each school shooting they call for teachers to have more guns. I feel like those photos would be more likely to be used by the the gun marketing alliance (NRA) to sell more guns to "protect" people than bring about any sensible reaction.
A depressing thought.
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Teachers are at the same time evil commies trying to push leftism on kids and need to be armed to defend those kids. They need to be defunded and funded. Another "Stop the count/Keep counting" situation.
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On July 14 2022 04:23 Erasme wrote:
Teachers are at the same time evil commies trying to push leftism on kids and need to be armed to defend those kids. They need to be defunded and funded. Another "Stop the count/Keep counting" situation.
I'll never get over the assertion that we're supposedly able to successfully brainwash our students politically and ethically when we can't even get them to do their homework or stay awake in class.
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