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On July 14 2022 10:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2022 04:23 Erasme wrote:
Teachers are at the same time evil commies trying to push leftism on kids and need to be armed to defend those kids. They need to be defunded and funded. Another "Stop the count/Keep counting" situation. I'll never get over the assertion that we're supposedly able to successfully brainwash our students politically and ethically when we can't even get them to do their homework or stay awake in class.
Just like how Biden is simultaneously sleepy and incompetent, but also the head of a shadowy global cabal specializing in pedophilia and Sharia Law, and is poised to drop a sinister New World Order on us.
As long as they aren't caught saying both at the same time, they get to have their cake and eat it too. It's saying whatever's convenient in the moment in bad faith.
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America definitely prefers a sociopath to a socialist.
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On July 15 2022 03:42 Zambrah wrote:
America definitely prefers a sociopath to a socialist.
Capitalism is like a tournament of champions for socio/psychopaths. It's not a coincidence the most lucrative/lauded professions are also the most populated by people with antisocial personality disorder.
EDIT: To be clear that isn't a dig at people with antisocial personality disorder, it's a reminder that building a society around emboldening their most destructive behaviors was/is a bad idea.
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On July 15 2022 04:20 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2022 03:42 Zambrah wrote:
America definitely prefers a sociopath to a socialist. Capitalism is like a tournament of champions for socio/psychopaths. It's not a coincidence the most lucrative/lauded professions are also the most populated by people with antisocial personality disorder.
Which results in the self-deprecating hero-worship of billionaires, and the ensuing cult of power, sociopathy, and narcissism. Trump certainly didn't emerge from the ether. Neither did the cultural zeitgeist that embraced him.
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On July 15 2022 04:32 plasmidghost wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2022 04:07 JimmiC wrote:
Leftist groups should invest in promoting all the successful countries that ate democratic socialists. Too many Americans (people) think that left means less freedom and think USSR/China. It woukd be better if they thought Denmark, Norway, Sweden (and look at their covid response so not all are the same), new zealand and so many more.
Also value based, like this is the marginal tax rate difference in these countries but this is what you get. The issues I've come to realize with true leftist advocating is that there is so much propaganda pushed about socialism and communism by the West that if any major socialist country gets mentioned, the person or people I'm talking to will nope the fuck out. The only real exception I've had to this, funny enough, is talking about Yugoslavia under Tito. It ultimately leads to people only being willing to move leftwards to a Nordic model and very little further, which, well, is better than what we have in the US in numerous ways
For perspective on how debilitating and pervasive the propaganda is, people in the US (including those ostensibly on the 'left') can't even differentiate between the social democracies of Europe and democratic socialism.
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On July 15 2022 04:47 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2022 04:32 plasmidghost wrote:On July 15 2022 04:07 JimmiC wrote:
Leftist groups should invest in promoting all the successful countries that ate democratic socialists. Too many Americans (people) think that left means less freedom and think USSR/China. It woukd be better if they thought Denmark, Norway, Sweden (and look at their covid response so not all are the same), new zealand and so many more.
Also value based, like this is the marginal tax rate difference in these countries but this is what you get. The issues I've come to realize with true leftist advocating is that there is so much propaganda pushed about socialism and communism by the West that if any major socialist country gets mentioned, the person or people I'm talking to will nope the fuck out. The only real exception I've had to this, funny enough, is talking about Yugoslavia under Tito. It ultimately leads to people only being willing to move leftwards to a Nordic model and very little further, which, well, is better than what we have in the US in numerous ways For perspective on how debilitating and pervasive the propaganda is, people in the US (including those ostensibly on the 'left') can't even differentiate between the social democracies of Europe and democratic socialism.
Honestly, I think Bernie is partly to blame for that. His policies are more social democratic, yet he calls himself a socialist. This mislabelling is confusing and leads to people not knowing what is what.
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On July 15 2022 04:52 StasisField wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2022 04:47 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 15 2022 04:32 plasmidghost wrote:On July 15 2022 04:07 JimmiC wrote:
Leftist groups should invest in promoting all the successful countries that ate democratic socialists. Too many Americans (people) think that left means less freedom and think USSR/China. It woukd be better if they thought Denmark, Norway, Sweden (and look at their covid response so not all are the same), new zealand and so many more.
Also value based, like this is the marginal tax rate difference in these countries but this is what you get. The issues I've come to realize with true leftist advocating is that there is so much propaganda pushed about socialism and communism by the West that if any major socialist country gets mentioned, the person or people I'm talking to will nope the fuck out. The only real exception I've had to this, funny enough, is talking about Yugoslavia under Tito. It ultimately leads to people only being willing to move leftwards to a Nordic model and very little further, which, well, is better than what we have in the US in numerous ways For perspective on how debilitating and pervasive the propaganda is, people in the US (including those ostensibly on the 'left') can't even differentiate between the social democracies of Europe and democratic socialism. Honestly, I think Bernie is partly to blame for that. His policies are more social democratic, yet he calls himself a socialist. This mislabelling is confusing and leads to people not knowing what is what.
There are plenty of EU leftwing movements branding themselves "socialists" or even "sosialistic". Like any other -ism, socialism is defined by the user and listener. Several European countries used to have serious Communist movements, and "socialist" became "social democrat" while "communist" remained the tag for the ultra-left. The US never had different brands of far-left movements afaik, so the terms have different meaning.
Yes, Bernie always calling himself a "social democrat" would probably have been a good move, but the right is also doing everything they can to associate "socialism" with USSR, China, Cuba and lately Venezuela.
It is harder to spin how much better society works in Scandinavia, but they still try, like telling it is harder to get to hospital when you don't need an insanely overpriced health insurance only a fraction has access to.
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On July 15 2022 04:52 StasisField wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2022 04:47 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 15 2022 04:32 plasmidghost wrote:On July 15 2022 04:07 JimmiC wrote:
Leftist groups should invest in promoting all the successful countries that ate democratic socialists. Too many Americans (people) think that left means less freedom and think USSR/China. It woukd be better if they thought Denmark, Norway, Sweden (and look at their covid response so not all are the same), new zealand and so many more.
Also value based, like this is the marginal tax rate difference in these countries but this is what you get. The issues I've come to realize with true leftist advocating is that there is so much propaganda pushed about socialism and communism by the West that if any major socialist country gets mentioned, the person or people I'm talking to will nope the fuck out. The only real exception I've had to this, funny enough, is talking about Yugoslavia under Tito. It ultimately leads to people only being willing to move leftwards to a Nordic model and very little further, which, well, is better than what we have in the US in numerous ways For perspective on how debilitating and pervasive the propaganda is, people in the US (including those ostensibly on the 'left') can't even differentiate between the social democracies of Europe and democratic socialism. Honestly, I think Bernie is partly to blame for that. His policies are more social democratic, yet he calls himself a socialist. This mislabelling is confusing and leads to people not knowing what is what.
I'd agree with that, but it also prompted conscientious folks to gain a deeper understanding of the differences between Democrats, social democrats, democratic socialists, revolutionary socialists, etc.
I wouldn't say people who clearly didn't develop that understanding should be ignored entirely on related subjects, but their uninformed opinions should certainly be interpreted with that in mind.
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If Bernie packaged himself as a social Democrat or w/e rather than a democratic socialist, or a socialist he’d still get the charges of being a stinkin’ socialist anyway.
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On July 15 2022 10:23 plasmidghost wrote:
The GOP has jammed the gas and will not let up. They're immediately going to go for the harshest punishment possible for daring to give a ten year-old child an actual life instead of a nightmare, and once they succeed, abortion as we know it will be confirmed dead everywhere
And let's not forget that Texas is suing the Biden administration for requiring doctors to perform abortions in the case of medical emergencies
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/07/14/texas-sues-biden-emergency-abortion/
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On July 15 2022 10:58 JimmiC wrote:
The pro-punishment is so much more accurate to their beliefs than pro-life.
Edit: just to expand. The first one you have putting a 10 year old at risk (pregnancy is dangerous for someone that young) so she is forced to have her Child rapists baby. How is this good for anyone? Do you really want to send the message to ultra terrible child rapists that they can have forced babies with minor victims?
The next one is explicitly not prolife since they are not allowing it medical emergencies?
This is fricking awful shit, how can this be popular with anyone let alone someone that labels themselves
pro-life".
Why the hell are politicians proudly fighting for profoundly awful rules and over half of many states are cheering them on?
I have always been wondering why the republicans generally push for the most evil things one can imagine. I have not yet found a good answer. At this point, i have come to the conclusion that they may simply be evil.
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On July 15 2022 10:58 JimmiC wrote:
The pro-punishment is so much more accurate to their beliefs than pro-life.
Edit: just to expand. The first one you have putting a 10 year old at risk (pregnancy is dangerous for someone that young) so she is forced to have her Child rapists baby. How is this good for anyone? Do you really want to send the message to ultra terrible child rapists that they can have forced babies with minor victims?
The next one is explicitly not prolife since they are not allowing it medical emergencies?
This is fricking awful shit, how can this be popular with anyone let alone someone that labels themselves
pro-life".
Why the hell are politicians proudly fighting for profoundly awful rules and over half of many states are cheering them on?
I read a recent analysis that it is basically revenge for the original Roe vs Wade, which was really an overstep for what a court should get to decide and not a decision not profoundly in line with the population.
If liberation of abortion rights came more gradually and lead by politicians instead of courts (how it worked in most other countries), we would probably not have seen this. In some years, I believe they will come to a more reasonable compromise.
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