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@Blackjack It’s pretty obviously mostly due to cultural barriers being broken down and it being (relatively) considerably more tolerated than even a decade ago. I left school in 08 and nobody came out in my year of about 360 folks, even the obviously gay, whereas my mum still works there and says it’s pretty damn common for people to be openly gay from 13/14, and there’s even a few trans students
I’m unsure if you saw my allusions to something I read, I’ll try and find a source, one theory, albeit dealing with a subsection of a subsection is a disproportionate prevalence of reported dysphoria in young people who are on the autistic spectrum.
The theory offered there as to why that is is a cognitive dissonance between a rigid, rules-based mental disposition innate to the condition, and complexities in gender signifiers. Put crudely, which is unlike me. ‘I’m a dude but, I like feminine stuff it must be because I’m trans/non-binary’
Neurotypical people are better at handling ambiguity and dare I say outright blatant inconsistencies. It’s probably why you see a whole suite of gender identities, if one pigeonhole is a bit too snug another is created.
I will stress this is an intersection of a minority with another minority, I feel it’s at least a plausible theory but that group is going to be too small to meaningfully account for the trends we’re seeing.
I’ll see if I can dig it up anyway.
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It’s a good theory but I’m curious of plasmids take on it because the concept of trans people being more tolerated in society is quite the opposite of his posts that transphobic hate is in the rise, the walls are closing in, and he has to flee the country while there is still time.
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Northern Ireland27478 Posts
On June 09 2022 17:54 BlackJack wrote:
It’s a good theory but I’m curious of plasmids take on it because the concept of trans people being more tolerated in society is quite the opposite of his posts that transphobic hate is in the rise, the walls are closing in, and he has to flee the country while there is still time.
They’re more tolerated by many but there’s a commensurate counteraction to that tolerance and visibility.
When trans people weren’t really on the radar it wasn’t an issue in either direction.
It’s the difference in being closeted and nobody really having any strong opinion on your being vs (arbitrary numbers incoming) 50% of the population being fine with you being yourself and open and 50% actively despising it.
Hey closeted you’re less actively hated, the rather large downside being you can’t be yourself or comfortable in your own skin.
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On June 09 2022 18:17 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2022 17:54 BlackJack wrote:
It’s a good theory but I’m curious of plasmids take on it because the concept of trans people being more tolerated in society is quite the opposite of his posts that transphobic hate is in the rise, the walls are closing in, and he has to flee the country while there is still time. They’re more tolerated by many but there’s a commensurate counteraction to that tolerance and visibility. When trans people weren’t really on the radar it wasn’t an issue in either direction. It’s the difference in being closeted and nobody really having any strong opinion on your being vs (arbitrary numbers incoming) 50% of the population being fine with you being yourself and open and 50% actively despising it. Hey closeted you’re less actively hated, the rather large downside being you can’t be yourself or comfortable in your own skin.
I'm not sure "nobody had a strong issue" is really the right way to characterize it. The hate was still there-it was just "quiet" hate because the bigots still believed everyone thought the same thing as them. The murders were still there, depriving access to care was still there, bathroom bills were the default.
Also, people being more comfortable coming out younger is because young people are more accepting. Young people aren't exactly wielding positions of power in state legislatures.
Edit: It's an interesting parallel to Christian Dominionist statements on homosexuality-yes, they believe the state should stone gays, but in their society the state doesn't have to stone gays because the abject intolerance is such that if any come out it won't be the state doing the stoning. What's happening now with trans people is that the disintegration of that "implicit state violence" apparatus is resulting in explicit state violence in its place.
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On June 09 2022 22:00 TheTenthDoc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2022 18:17 WombaT wrote:On June 09 2022 17:54 BlackJack wrote:
It’s a good theory but I’m curious of plasmids take on it because the concept of trans people being more tolerated in society is quite the opposite of his posts that transphobic hate is in the rise, the walls are closing in, and he has to flee the country while there is still time. They’re more tolerated by many but there’s a commensurate counteraction to that tolerance and visibility. When trans people weren’t really on the radar it wasn’t an issue in either direction. It’s the difference in being closeted and nobody really having any strong opinion on your being vs (arbitrary numbers incoming) 50% of the population being fine with you being yourself and open and 50% actively despising it. Hey closeted you’re less actively hated, the rather large downside being you can’t be yourself or comfortable in your own skin. I'm not sure "nobody had a strong issue" is really the right way to characterize it. The hate was still there-it was just "quiet" hate because the bigots still believed everyone thought the same thing as them. The murders were still there, depriving access to care was still there, bathroom bills were the default. Also, people being more comfortable coming out younger is because young people are more accepting. Young people aren't exactly wielding positions of power in state legislatures.
To add, trans women on TV were constantly the butt of jokes, i.e. 'don't worry, he doesn't know you've got a penis' sort of stuff. Basically, there was 'no issue' because they were firmly under the boot.
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Yo! this Jan6 committee probably isn't going to change many minds, nor get anyone high up in prison... but damn are some of these clips fun. Barr saving some face here
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On June 10 2022 09:29 Husyelt wrote:
Yo! this Jan6 committee probably isn't going to change many minds, nor get anyone high up in prison... but damn are some of these clips fun. Barr saving some face here
Any hope of that evaporated over a year ago, lol, now we're just waiting for the competent version of an insurrection that actually works.
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lmao Tucker is "covering" this live, and is flustered as fuck. his talking points that need to be jammed down the throats. I thought Fox News was supposed to be getting better.
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How's that plausible deniability going for them?
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Can't wait for this shit to get downplayed by the right all over again.
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Riddle me this... What was Trump's actual master plan beyond chaos agent and raising funds for Jan6? If he stokes up his crowd and breaks into the capitol... Do they hang Mike Pence and call the Election to Trump? Without anyone having firearms? I'm trying to figure out what the fuck he was trying to do other than absolute amusement. He's raised over 200 million dollars by now from the night of the election for stolen election claims...
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Powerful narcissist stoking his blazing ego, no plan just more wood for the ego-fire.
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On June 10 2022 10:26 Zambrah wrote:
Powerful narcissist stoking his blazing ego, no plan just more wood for the ego-fire.
An entire country brought to its knees by one bone machine with a three pound brain. the ego of one tiny three pound brain demands more kindling ...
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Says a lot about how the US has been systematically hollowed out over the past decades, we're basically a husk of a country waiting for that one strong gust of wind to cause us to crumble.
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On June 10 2022 10:15 Husyelt wrote:
Riddle me this... What was Trump's actual master plan beyond chaos agent and raising funds for Jan6? If he stokes up his crowd and breaks into the capitol... Do they hang Mike Pence and call the Election to Trump? Without anyone having firearms? I'm trying to figure out what the fuck he was trying to do other than absolute amusement. He's raised over 200 million dollars by now from the night of the election for stolen election claims...
Pence is forced out of the capitol due to violence. He's never allowed back because trump can order them to now allow him to return due to the violence. A loyalist rejects a few electors snd replaces them with trump friendly ones. A trump loyalist counts enough electors for trump that he is declared the winner.
Democrats are forced to bend the knee or return the favor and start the second civil war.
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On June 10 2022 10:40 Zambrah wrote:
Says a lot about how the US has been systematically hollowed out over the past decades, we're a husk of a country waiting for that one strong gust of wind to cause us to crumble.
I wouldn't say the past decades. Pence represents the evangelical right and even he didn't go along with the coup. This is entirely apart of the post bush dissolution with the fears of electoral nonviability of white nationalists due to changing demographics. Sarah Palin was the attempt of the Republican party to get back on track with more naked nationalism and reactionary content to rally up a dwindling base. That base got out of control and now we have trump.
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On June 10 2022 11:01 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2022 10:40 Zambrah wrote:
Says a lot about how the US has been systematically hollowed out over the past decades, we're a husk of a country waiting for that one strong gust of wind to cause us to crumble. I wouldn't say the past decades. Pence represents the evangelical right and even he didn't go along with the coup. This is entirely apart of the post bush dissolution with the fears of electoral nonviability of white nationalists due to changing demographics. Sarah Palin was the attempt of the Republican party to get back on track with more naked nationalism and reactionary content to rally up a dwindling base. That base got out of control and now we have trump.
I track the downfall of the US to Reagan, the pilfering of economic prosperity over the years has led to stratification of wealth as well as the death of the American dream. Life becomes harder, money becomes tighter, people become more desperate and since the people pilfering don't want to face the pitchfork the media blames immigrants, the liberals, the whoever theyre scapegoating at the time. The situation is a cacophony of deregulation and corporations gaining tons of control over government, but I generally believe our current world is the product of Reagan onwards.
Im firmly of the opinion a thriving country with people who have faith in their situation and leadership aren't as susceptible to dumb conspiracy bullshit as ones who are in desperate situations, thats the lens that I view the current situation with. Without Reagan ruining the US economically and culturally for anyone sans the rich I don't think we wind up in this shitty reality.
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