EPTIts news because Im not sure if you're aware, at the end of the year we have these elections coming up for Congress, a legislative body that Madison Cawthorn is a part of, and given he is a part of the Republican party, which Im not sure if you're aware, is traditionally quite anti-LGBT, the leaking of him having gay sex with his cousin may impact his election chances.
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
Its news because Im not sure if you're aware, at the end of the year we have these elections coming up for Congress, a legislative body that Madison Cawthorn is a part of, and given he is a part of the Republican party, which Im not sure if you're aware, is traditionally quite anti-LGBT, the leaking of him having gay sex with his cousin may impact his election chances. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18488 Posts
I understand it's elections and I'd understand if you were a Republican posting this. I'm mostly just weirded out that you, a progressive, think this should be at all relevant. Are you sure his constituents didn't already know he's gay? I know there's one or two openly gay Republicans. Just because the party as a whole is quite openly hostile to the LGBTQ community doesn't mean there aren't gay Republican individuals. I'd say a gay Republican and Mike Pence have about as much, and depending on other viewpoints probably more, in common as AOC and Joe Machin... | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
On May 05 2022 21:27 Acrofales wrote: In plenty of countries it's legal for first cousins to marry. Do you think they don't have sex? Not my preference, but genetically it's mostly safe. Especially if there is no history of closer incest in the family, so... /shrug? I understand it's elections and I'd understand if you were a Republican posting this. I'm mostly just weirded out that you, a progressive, think this should be at all relevant. Are you sure his constituents didn't already know he's gay? I know there's one or two openly gay Republicans. Just because the party as a whole is quite openly hostile to the LGBTQ community doesn't mean there aren't gay Republican individuals. I'd say a gay Republican and Mike Pence have about as much, and depending on other viewpoints probably more, in common as AOC and Joe Machin... Yes, Im quite certain that Madison Cawthorn was not openly gay, he is not a low-profile politician. Im not the one who decides whether something is relevant or not, I dont have that superpower, Madison Cawthorn's gay cousin face-fuck is relevant because hes a member of the party that doesn't like gay people while on camera doing an act most people would attribute to being gay, and this has happened close to an important election that the subject here is taking part in, presumably this is something that would jeopardize his seat in the aforementioned election. Hes also one of the big members of the GQP QAnon types, completing the triumvirate Marjorie Taylor-Green, and Matt Gaetz, so his election in particular is of interest, if he survives this hes probably never going to lose an election which would bode poorly for the rest of the country because it would indicate more intense staying power. Also having sex with your cousin is weird and gross. EDIT: Also at this point Im not a progressive, Im just a flat out socialist. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On May 05 2022 21:27 Acrofales wrote: In plenty of countries it's legal for first cousins to marry. Do you think they don't have sex? Not my preference, but genetically it's mostly safe. Especially if there is no history of closer incest in the family, so... /shrug? I understand it's elections and I'd understand if you were a Republican posting this. I'm mostly just weirded out that you, a progressive, think this should be at all relevant. Are you sure his constituents didn't already know he's gay? I know there's one or two openly gay Republicans. Just because the party as a whole is quite openly hostile to the LGBTQ community doesn't mean there aren't gay Republican individuals. I'd say a gay Republican and Mike Pence have about as much, and depending on other viewpoints probably more, in common as AOC and Joe Machin... You're really over estimating how tolerant people are. The only bad thing about this is that having gay sex on camera is going to end his career instead of all the felony charges he should have for crimes. I just want to know who filmed this. Were they making a sex tape and is got found out or is this just blackmail coming out because someone's risk tolerance finally boiled over. This is the same guy that has attempted to bring firearm onto plane more than once. He has multiple DUIs. He failed to pay his taxes. He is the cocaine orgy guy if you remember that. He should absolutely not be a politician that any one respects, but not because he is gay. On May 05 2022 22:02 Liquid`Drone wrote: I mean I get the 'don't have children with your cousin' argument but I don't really see the problem with cousins having gay sex. There's def an angle where it's relevant from a hypocrisy point of view though, assuming he's championed any anti-gay policies (beyond just being part of a party where other people do that). There is a third angle as well where the cousin is his top staffer so there are some ethical concerns as well. Although that is probably a stretch for Republicans to care about. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28923 Posts
There's def an angle where it's relevant from a hypocrisy point of view though, assuming he's championed any anti-gay policies (beyond just being part of a party where other people do that). | ||
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JimmiC
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NewSunshine
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JimmiC
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Sadist
United States7328 Posts
On May 05 2022 22:31 JimmiC wrote: The venmo payments he made that are indicated for sexual favours are the bigger problem for him. If they are just jokes (and bad ones) maybe he won't be punished to hard but I think it will hard for him to win his primary since he was already on the outs for saying that lots of the old gaurd in the white house have drug fueled orgies. He also puts himself out as a straight married man, so unless his wife is in on the secret I think it would be unlikely she would be OK with it. But I guess the "family values" party is pretty on board with Stone and his stuff so who really knows. His wife left him I have a feeling its all a joke but coming from that douchebag who knows. | ||
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WombaT
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22703 Posts
But he is a Republican, while doing the above. Republicans tends to not be the most tolerant of political parties or supporters. The might take issue with it. | ||
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killa_robot
Canada1884 Posts
On May 05 2022 23:53 Gorsameth wrote: Yeah, its not problem for a Congressmen to have sex, or gay sex, or gay sex with a cousin. But he is a Republican, while doing the above. Republicans tends to not be the most tolerant of political parties or supporters. The might take issue with it. I thought incest was straight up illegal in the states? | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
On May 06 2022 00:51 killa_robot wrote: I thought incest was straight up illegal in the states? It is, but the line is typically that first cousins are legal and anything more closely related than that is illegal. Some states its illegal at the first cousin line, I think one of them is ironically West Virginia. For anyone interested in the subject, because I found some of the information after a quick wikipedia-ing kind of fun: + Show Spoiler + States where you CANNOT marry your first cousin, Alaska, Arkansas, Delaware, Idaho, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, South Dakota, Texas, Washington, West Virginia, and Wyoming. States where you CANNOT marry your first cousin, with exceptions for age and/or infertility Minnesota, Illinois, Indiana, Utah, Arizona, Wisconsin, Maine States where you CAN marry your first cousin, All of the rest of 'em. North Carolina (the state that Cawthorn represents) has one exception for marrying your first cousin, and thats if they're a double cousin, which is, This occurs when siblings, respectively, reproduce with different siblings from another family. This may also be referred to as "cousins on both sides". The resulting children are related to each other through both their parents and are thus doubly related. Double first cousins share both sets of grandparents. | ||
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Doc.Rivers
United States404 Posts
On May 05 2022 23:15 JimmiC wrote: Excellent whataboutism, but in the "lefts" defense, not sure why you bring them up since it is not like Trumpism is "right" but sure, thinking Trump has dementia is basically a compliment because the other option is he has always just been this stupid. He has changed weather maps with sharpies, suggested ingesting bleach, and brags about passing a cognitive test or using two hands on a glass because the ramp was steep. I'd rather have dementia then just really low horsepower. If you want to up your whataboutism you have to show a daily/weekly stupid conspiracy coming out. It's not very effective to use the whataboutism line when you do it all the time with trump. Re Cawthorn, it's certainly a weird story but not terribly significant. Sex scandals just aren't that potent anymore as a political issue. Plus I don't see any indication that Cawthorn is anti-gay. I guess you can make the argument that cawthorn's activity can be attributed to other Republicans, therefore making them hypocrites on the issue of gay marriage. But it's not a great argument. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27478 Posts
On May 06 2022 01:06 Doc.Rivers wrote: It's not very effective to use the whataboutism line when you do it all the time with trump. Re Cawthorn, it's certainly a weird story but not terribly significant. Sex scandals just aren't that potent anymore as a political issue. Plus I don't see any indication that Cawthorn is anti-gay. I guess you can make the argument that cawthorn's activity can be attributed to other Republicans, therefore making them hypocrites on the issue of gay marriage. But it's not a great argument. In some ways I think it’s a good thing that sex scandals aren’t as ruinous as they used to be. Outside of rampant infidelity, which I think does somewhat indicate undesirable character traits, it’s people’s business what they get up to. Or bigots who get caught in the same behaviour they preach against from their pulpit, although I don’t believe Cawthorn fits this category, Lea at from what I’ve seen. There’s also a general tolerance of scandals that should be career ending that no longer are, which is not a good development. Who I may or may not attribute to the arrival in frontline politics of a certain individual | ||
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Doc.Rivers
United States404 Posts
On May 06 2022 01:37 JimmiC wrote: That is the humorous part though. Is how it is your go to move 100% of the time and when people bring up Trump you claim whataboutism. I think comparing them is fine in many instances, it is awfully telling when the the one eitger happens 100x as often or is 100x as bad. Im often left giggling with your comparision. The issue for Cawthorn is his voters and the ones in the primary, many who are antigay. No one not in crazy town is voting for him with that he has said, the question is if people in crazytown care that he is or is not. The other issue is the ethics violations of his payments, both not disclosing and why he stated hes given them. This might become an issue with the regulators, we know ethics violations will not hurt him with his voter, they LOVE ethics violations! I'd say the "Trump is a Russian asset" conspiracy was just about 100x as bad as Tucker's conspiracies about the war in Ukraine. The Russian asset conspiracy was very mainstream on the left and is still peddled by journalists/pundits and widely believed by their followers. This is even though the theory has basically been proven to be a fraud at its origins. So it truly doesn't make sense to pretend that the conspiracy theories are worse on the right. On May 06 2022 02:01 WombaT wrote: In some ways I think it’s a good thing that sex scandals aren’t as ruinous as they used to be. Outside of rampant infidelity, which I think does somewhat indicate undesirable character traits, it’s people’s business what they get up to. Or bigots who get caught in the same behaviour they preach against from their pulpit, although I don’t believe Cawthorn fits this category, Lea at from what I’ve seen. There’s also a general tolerance of scandals that should be career ending that no longer are, which is not a good development. Who I may or may not attribute to the arrival in frontline politics of a certain individual Yes true hypocrisy would make a sex scandal relevant I think. Eliot Spitzer would be an example. I'm sure there are examples on the Republican side. | ||
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