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Where we are is on the precipice of a trade war that the international community can leverage the detention facilities to sell economic distress to their people. Thats where the knife in the dick gets twisted. Trump has already backed down from the fight but democrats need to keep up the pressure on this to get real immigration reform.
I mean if democrats can't win this fight with something big they should disband. Multiple levels of pressure from domestic and foreign sources.
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On June 21 2018 04:49 Sermokala wrote:
Where we are is on the precipice of a trade war that the international community can leverage the detention facilities to sell economic distress to their people. Thats where the knife in the dick gets twisted. Trump has already backed down from the fight but democrats need to keep up the pressure on this to get real immigration reform.
I mean if democrats can't win this fight with something big they should disband. Multiple levels of pressure from domestic and foreign sources.
gettin real immigration reform would still be quite hard though; as republicans control most of hte levers of power, and their fear of getting primaried would limit the amount of compromise they're willing to do (quite possibly to near none)
what could the dems reasonably win with? other than in the midterm elections that is.
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I can't find this anywhere else in the thread and it's relatively recent.
Trump reverses course, signs order to keep families together
President Donald Trump on Wednesday reversed his debunked argument that he had no authority to stop separations of undocumented immigrant families at the border, signing an executive order to keep parents and kids together. "We're signing an executive order. I consider it to be a very important executive order. It's about keeping families together, while at the same time being sure we have a very powerful, very strong border," Trump said. Trump's climbdown came after he faced intense pressure from across the political spectrum and from religious, political and world leaders to halt the separations, which produced days of heartrending news coverage of crying children -- some of whom were kept in cage-like detention centers. The President claimed, though, that he isn't backing down. "The border is just as tough. But we do want to keep families together," Trump said in the Oval Office. "We are keeping the family together." Earlier Wednesday after a frenzied morning in which he huddled with Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen and other key officials, Trump first flagged his reversal saying, "I'll be doing something that's somewhat preemptive and ultimately will be matched by legislation I'm sure." ... https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/20/politics/trump-separation-action-immigration/index.html
He backs down and compromises for now, but it's not over. I'd guess the fear of an extended battle and an abundant source of sound bites for the Dems when the November midterms come by got to him?
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On June 21 2018 04:49 Sermokala wrote:
Where we are is on the precipice of a trade war that the international community can leverage the detention facilities to sell economic distress to their people. Thats where the knife in the dick gets twisted. Trump has already backed down from the fight but democrats need to keep up the pressure on this to get real immigration reform.
I mean if democrats can't win this fight with something big they should disband. Multiple levels of pressure from domestic and foreign sources.
That is going to have to come after November. The House can’t pass an immigration bill and Ryan is not interested in making a coalition with Democrats and moderate Republicans. Even if they create a bill, it won’t come to the floor.
The congressional leadership has to go before anything can happen. They are to invested in doing nothing rather than working with the opposing party.
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On June 21 2018 05:06 PhoenixVoid wrote:I can't find this anywhere else in the thread and it's relatively recent. Drumpf reverses course, signs order to keep families togetherShow nested quote +President Donald Drumpf on Wednesday reversed his debunked argument that he had no authority to stop separations of undocumented immigrant families at the border, signing an executive order to keep parents and kids together. "We're signing an executive order. I consider it to be a very important executive order. It's about keeping families together, while at the same time being sure we have a very powerful, very strong border," Drumpf said. Drumpf's climbdown came after he faced intense pressure from across the political spectrum and from religious, political and world leaders to halt the separations, which produced days of heartrending news coverage of crying children -- some of whom were kept in cage-like detention centers. The President claimed, though, that he isn't backing down. "The border is just as tough. But we do want to keep families together," Drumpf said in the Oval Office. "We are keeping the family together." Earlier Wednesday after a frenzied morning in which he huddled with Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen and other key officials, Drumpf first flagged his reversal saying, "I'll be doing something that's somewhat preemptive and ultimately will be matched by legislation I'm sure." ... https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/20/politics/trump-separation-action-immigration/index.html He backs down and compromises for now, but it's not over. I'd guess the fear of an extended battle and an abundant source of sound bites for the Dems when the November midterms come by got to him?
The news app on my phone simultaneously exploded with this about 10 mins ago. Good Guy Trump looks pretty winner here.
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On June 21 2018 05:09 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2018 05:06 PhoenixVoid wrote:I can't find this anywhere else in the thread and it's relatively recent. Drumpf reverses course, signs order to keep families togetherPresident Donald Drumpf on Wednesday reversed his debunked argument that he had no authority to stop separations of undocumented immigrant families at the border, signing an executive order to keep parents and kids together. "We're signing an executive order. I consider it to be a very important executive order. It's about keeping families together, while at the same time being sure we have a very powerful, very strong border," Drumpf said. Drumpf's climbdown came after he faced intense pressure from across the political spectrum and from religious, political and world leaders to halt the separations, which produced days of heartrending news coverage of crying children -- some of whom were kept in cage-like detention centers. The President claimed, though, that he isn't backing down. "The border is just as tough. But we do want to keep families together," Drumpf said in the Oval Office. "We are keeping the family together." Earlier Wednesday after a frenzied morning in which he huddled with Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen and other key officials, Drumpf first flagged his reversal saying, "I'll be doing something that's somewhat preemptive and ultimately will be matched by legislation I'm sure." ... https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/20/politics/trump-separation-action-immigration/index.htmlHe backs down and compromises for now, but it's not over. I'd guess the fear of an extended battle and an abundant source of sound bites for the Dems when the November midterms come by got to him? The news app on my phone simultaneously exploded with this about 10 mins ago. Good Guy Trump looks pretty winner here.
I don’t think Americans are going to buy it. His own party turned on him hard this time around and that isn’t going to go away. The base will love him, but they can’t win elections all on their own.
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I would give kudos to him for having the sense to stop the madness before it's too late, but I'm pretty sure it was too late when this all began. They already toyed with immigrant children once before with the DACA, so my willingness to forgive is already pretty tried. I also expect that the real reason Trump reversed course on this one wasn't out of the goodness of his heart toward immigrants. I expect there to be some anti-Democrat spin, as usual. The problem is this isn't another baseball they can hit away, it's a meteor. That they asked to have thrown at them.
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On June 21 2018 05:06 PhoenixVoid wrote:I can't find this anywhere else in the thread and it's relatively recent. Trump reverses course, signs order to keep families togetherShow nested quote +President Donald Trump on Wednesday reversed his debunked argument that he had no authority to stop separations of undocumented immigrant families at the border, signing an executive order to keep parents and kids together. "We're signing an executive order. I consider it to be a very important executive order. It's about keeping families together, while at the same time being sure we have a very powerful, very strong border," Trump said. Trump's climbdown came after he faced intense pressure from across the political spectrum and from religious, political and world leaders to halt the separations, which produced days of heartrending news coverage of crying children -- some of whom were kept in cage-like detention centers. The President claimed, though, that he isn't backing down. "The border is just as tough. But we do want to keep families together," Trump said in the Oval Office. "We are keeping the family together." Earlier Wednesday after a frenzied morning in which he huddled with Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen and other key officials, Trump first flagged his reversal saying, "I'll be doing something that's somewhat preemptive and ultimately will be matched by legislation I'm sure." ... https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/20/politics/trump-separation-action-immigration/index.html He backs down and compromises for now, but it's not over. I'd guess the fear of an extended battle and an abundant source of sound bites for the Dems when the November midterms come by got to him?
Meanwhile throwing several officials under the Bus that stated it wasn't this Administrations policy.
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Good thing none of those officials deserve even a bit of sympathy. I hope everyone who works with this administration gets Scarlet Letter'ed for the rest of their lives.
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On June 21 2018 05:09 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2018 05:06 PhoenixVoid wrote:I can't find this anywhere else in the thread and it's relatively recent. Drumpf reverses course, signs order to keep families togetherPresident Donald Drumpf on Wednesday reversed his debunked argument that he had no authority to stop separations of undocumented immigrant families at the border, signing an executive order to keep parents and kids together. "We're signing an executive order. I consider it to be a very important executive order. It's about keeping families together, while at the same time being sure we have a very powerful, very strong border," Drumpf said. Drumpf's climbdown came after he faced intense pressure from across the political spectrum and from religious, political and world leaders to halt the separations, which produced days of heartrending news coverage of crying children -- some of whom were kept in cage-like detention centers. The President claimed, though, that he isn't backing down. "The border is just as tough. But we do want to keep families together," Drumpf said in the Oval Office. "We are keeping the family together." Earlier Wednesday after a frenzied morning in which he huddled with Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen and other key officials, Drumpf first flagged his reversal saying, "I'll be doing something that's somewhat preemptive and ultimately will be matched by legislation I'm sure." ... https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/20/politics/trump-separation-action-immigration/index.htmlHe backs down and compromises for now, but it's not over. I'd guess the fear of an extended battle and an abundant source of sound bites for the Dems when the November midterms come by got to him? The news app on my phone simultaneously exploded with this about 10 mins ago. Good Guy Trump looks pretty winner here.
I'm having a hard time seeing this as the 'dick ending' catastrophe others seem to think it is. Mostly because Trump is getting better approval numbers, not worse.
Popularity: President Trump can't get a break from negative press coverage, but somehow his approval rating continues to edge upward. In fact, it's now tied with where the "extremely popular" President Obama was at this point in his first term.
The latest Gallup poll puts Trump's job approval at 45%. That's the highest it's been since he took office, and it's up from 37% at the start of the year. Although you'd barely know it from the press Trump gets, his approval number has been on a slow but relatively steady rise all year.
Not only that, but Trump's approval in this poll is now equal to Obama's at the same point in Obama's presidency. Gallup had Obama at 45% approval by late June 2010.
The difference is that while Trump's approval has been climbing, Obama's was dropping steadily over the course of his first term.
When Obama took office, he had an approval rating of 67%. By August of that year, it had fallen to 50%. A year later it was down to 43% in Gallup's poll.
By this point in Obama's presidency, his average approval was 47.9% and falling, according to Real Clear Politics. By October of 2010, it dropped down to 44%. Trump's average is currently 43.7%, and on the uptrend.
www.investors.com
This past week saw an increase in approval among independents to 42% -- up from 35% the prior week -- which tied for the highest Trump has registered among this group to date. It is only the fourth week in Trump's presidency in which 40% or more of independents have approved of the job he is doing.
news.gallup.com
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And with a stroke of his pen, Trump proved that he had the power to do something about this all along, that he was the one who instigated it, and that he's been lying about it for the last few weeks while trying to shift the blame onto the Democrats. And not a single Republican cares. I bet you if anything he's going to get even more popular after this.
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On June 21 2018 05:23 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2018 05:09 Rebs wrote:On June 21 2018 05:06 PhoenixVoid wrote:I can't find this anywhere else in the thread and it's relatively recent. Drumpf reverses course, signs order to keep families togetherPresident Donald Drumpf on Wednesday reversed his debunked argument that he had no authority to stop separations of undocumented immigrant families at the border, signing an executive order to keep parents and kids together. "We're signing an executive order. I consider it to be a very important executive order. It's about keeping families together, while at the same time being sure we have a very powerful, very strong border," Drumpf said. Drumpf's climbdown came after he faced intense pressure from across the political spectrum and from religious, political and world leaders to halt the separations, which produced days of heartrending news coverage of crying children -- some of whom were kept in cage-like detention centers. The President claimed, though, that he isn't backing down. "The border is just as tough. But we do want to keep families together," Drumpf said in the Oval Office. "We are keeping the family together." Earlier Wednesday after a frenzied morning in which he huddled with Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen and other key officials, Drumpf first flagged his reversal saying, "I'll be doing something that's somewhat preemptive and ultimately will be matched by legislation I'm sure." ... https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/20/politics/trump-separation-action-immigration/index.htmlHe backs down and compromises for now, but it's not over. I'd guess the fear of an extended battle and an abundant source of sound bites for the Dems when the November midterms come by got to him? The news app on my phone simultaneously exploded with this about 10 mins ago. Good Guy Trump looks pretty winner here. I'm having a hard time seeing this as the 'dick ending' catastrophe others seem to think it is. Mostly because Trump is getting better approval numbers, not worse. Show nested quote +Popularity: President Trump can't get a break from negative press coverage, but somehow his approval rating continues to edge upward. In fact, it's now tied with where the "extremely popular" President Obama was at this point in his first term.
The latest Gallup poll puts Trump's job approval at 45%. That's the highest it's been since he took office, and it's up from 37% at the start of the year. Although you'd barely know it from the press Trump gets, his approval number has been on a slow but relatively steady rise all year.
Not only that, but Trump's approval in this poll is now equal to Obama's at the same point in Obama's presidency. Gallup had Obama at 45% approval by late June 2010.
The difference is that while Trump's approval has been climbing, Obama's was dropping steadily over the course of his first term.
When Obama took office, he had an approval rating of 67%. By August of that year, it had fallen to 50%. A year later it was down to 43% in Gallup's poll.
By this point in Obama's presidency, his average approval was 47.9% and falling, according to Real Clear Politics. By October of 2010, it dropped down to 44%. Trump's average is currently 43.7%, and on the uptrend.
www.investors.comShow nested quote +This past week saw an increase in approval among independents to 42% -- up from 35% the prior week -- which tied for the highest Trump has registered among this group to date. It is only the fourth week in Trump's presidency in which 40% or more of independents have approved of the job he is doing. news.gallup.com
Could also likely be a bump due to the summit with Kim.
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On June 21 2018 05:43 Tachion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2018 05:23 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 21 2018 05:09 Rebs wrote:On June 21 2018 05:06 PhoenixVoid wrote:I can't find this anywhere else in the thread and it's relatively recent. Drumpf reverses course, signs order to keep families togetherPresident Donald Drumpf on Wednesday reversed his debunked argument that he had no authority to stop separations of undocumented immigrant families at the border, signing an executive order to keep parents and kids together. "We're signing an executive order. I consider it to be a very important executive order. It's about keeping families together, while at the same time being sure we have a very powerful, very strong border," Drumpf said. Drumpf's climbdown came after he faced intense pressure from across the political spectrum and from religious, political and world leaders to halt the separations, which produced days of heartrending news coverage of crying children -- some of whom were kept in cage-like detention centers. The President claimed, though, that he isn't backing down. "The border is just as tough. But we do want to keep families together," Drumpf said in the Oval Office. "We are keeping the family together." Earlier Wednesday after a frenzied morning in which he huddled with Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen and other key officials, Drumpf first flagged his reversal saying, "I'll be doing something that's somewhat preemptive and ultimately will be matched by legislation I'm sure." ... https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/20/politics/trump-separation-action-immigration/index.htmlHe backs down and compromises for now, but it's not over. I'd guess the fear of an extended battle and an abundant source of sound bites for the Dems when the November midterms come by got to him? The news app on my phone simultaneously exploded with this about 10 mins ago. Good Guy Trump looks pretty winner here. I'm having a hard time seeing this as the 'dick ending' catastrophe others seem to think it is. Mostly because Trump is getting better approval numbers, not worse. Popularity: President Trump can't get a break from negative press coverage, but somehow his approval rating continues to edge upward. In fact, it's now tied with where the "extremely popular" President Obama was at this point in his first term.
The latest Gallup poll puts Trump's job approval at 45%. That's the highest it's been since he took office, and it's up from 37% at the start of the year. Although you'd barely know it from the press Trump gets, his approval number has been on a slow but relatively steady rise all year.
Not only that, but Trump's approval in this poll is now equal to Obama's at the same point in Obama's presidency. Gallup had Obama at 45% approval by late June 2010.
The difference is that while Trump's approval has been climbing, Obama's was dropping steadily over the course of his first term.
When Obama took office, he had an approval rating of 67%. By August of that year, it had fallen to 50%. A year later it was down to 43% in Gallup's poll.
By this point in Obama's presidency, his average approval was 47.9% and falling, according to Real Clear Politics. By October of 2010, it dropped down to 44%. Trump's average is currently 43.7%, and on the uptrend.
www.investors.comThis past week saw an increase in approval among independents to 42% -- up from 35% the prior week -- which tied for the highest Trump has registered among this group to date. It is only the fourth week in Trump's presidency in which 40% or more of independents have approved of the job he is doing. news.gallup.com Could also likely be a bump due to the summit with Kim.
And it doesn’t take into account the recent events or the impact of the tariffs. Tariffs poll well, even though they are likely to hurt more workers than they help.
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On June 21 2018 05:43 Tachion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2018 05:23 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 21 2018 05:09 Rebs wrote:On June 21 2018 05:06 PhoenixVoid wrote:I can't find this anywhere else in the thread and it's relatively recent. Drumpf reverses course, signs order to keep families togetherPresident Donald Drumpf on Wednesday reversed his debunked argument that he had no authority to stop separations of undocumented immigrant families at the border, signing an executive order to keep parents and kids together. "We're signing an executive order. I consider it to be a very important executive order. It's about keeping families together, while at the same time being sure we have a very powerful, very strong border," Drumpf said. Drumpf's climbdown came after he faced intense pressure from across the political spectrum and from religious, political and world leaders to halt the separations, which produced days of heartrending news coverage of crying children -- some of whom were kept in cage-like detention centers. The President claimed, though, that he isn't backing down. "The border is just as tough. But we do want to keep families together," Drumpf said in the Oval Office. "We are keeping the family together." Earlier Wednesday after a frenzied morning in which he huddled with Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen and other key officials, Drumpf first flagged his reversal saying, "I'll be doing something that's somewhat preemptive and ultimately will be matched by legislation I'm sure." ... https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/20/politics/trump-separation-action-immigration/index.htmlHe backs down and compromises for now, but it's not over. I'd guess the fear of an extended battle and an abundant source of sound bites for the Dems when the November midterms come by got to him? The news app on my phone simultaneously exploded with this about 10 mins ago. Good Guy Trump looks pretty winner here. I'm having a hard time seeing this as the 'dick ending' catastrophe others seem to think it is. Mostly because Trump is getting better approval numbers, not worse. Popularity: President Trump can't get a break from negative press coverage, but somehow his approval rating continues to edge upward. In fact, it's now tied with where the "extremely popular" President Obama was at this point in his first term.
The latest Gallup poll puts Trump's job approval at 45%. That's the highest it's been since he took office, and it's up from 37% at the start of the year. Although you'd barely know it from the press Trump gets, his approval number has been on a slow but relatively steady rise all year.
Not only that, but Trump's approval in this poll is now equal to Obama's at the same point in Obama's presidency. Gallup had Obama at 45% approval by late June 2010.
The difference is that while Trump's approval has been climbing, Obama's was dropping steadily over the course of his first term.
When Obama took office, he had an approval rating of 67%. By August of that year, it had fallen to 50%. A year later it was down to 43% in Gallup's poll.
By this point in Obama's presidency, his average approval was 47.9% and falling, according to Real Clear Politics. By October of 2010, it dropped down to 44%. Trump's average is currently 43.7%, and on the uptrend.
www.investors.comThis past week saw an increase in approval among independents to 42% -- up from 35% the prior week -- which tied for the highest Trump has registered among this group to date. It is only the fourth week in Trump's presidency in which 40% or more of independents have approved of the job he is doing. news.gallup.com Could also likely be a bump due to the summit with Kim.
It's been trending up since the tail end of when it was wall to wall Stormy Daniels and her lawyer (that fizzled out it seems?) The summit certainly helped but the initial stories about the immigration stuff was already making it's rounds. I'd guess there might be some dip reflected in some polls but overall his trend remains upward and the credit for fixing his own problem will outshine the problem he made.
On June 21 2018 05:44 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2018 05:43 Tachion wrote:On June 21 2018 05:23 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 21 2018 05:09 Rebs wrote:On June 21 2018 05:06 PhoenixVoid wrote:I can't find this anywhere else in the thread and it's relatively recent. Drumpf reverses course, signs order to keep families togetherPresident Donald Drumpf on Wednesday reversed his debunked argument that he had no authority to stop separations of undocumented immigrant families at the border, signing an executive order to keep parents and kids together. "We're signing an executive order. I consider it to be a very important executive order. It's about keeping families together, while at the same time being sure we have a very powerful, very strong border," Drumpf said. Drumpf's climbdown came after he faced intense pressure from across the political spectrum and from religious, political and world leaders to halt the separations, which produced days of heartrending news coverage of crying children -- some of whom were kept in cage-like detention centers. The President claimed, though, that he isn't backing down. "The border is just as tough. But we do want to keep families together," Drumpf said in the Oval Office. "We are keeping the family together." Earlier Wednesday after a frenzied morning in which he huddled with Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen and other key officials, Drumpf first flagged his reversal saying, "I'll be doing something that's somewhat preemptive and ultimately will be matched by legislation I'm sure." ... https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/20/politics/trump-separation-action-immigration/index.htmlHe backs down and compromises for now, but it's not over. I'd guess the fear of an extended battle and an abundant source of sound bites for the Dems when the November midterms come by got to him? The news app on my phone simultaneously exploded with this about 10 mins ago. Good Guy Trump looks pretty winner here. I'm having a hard time seeing this as the 'dick ending' catastrophe others seem to think it is. Mostly because Trump is getting better approval numbers, not worse. Popularity: President Trump can't get a break from negative press coverage, but somehow his approval rating continues to edge upward. In fact, it's now tied with where the "extremely popular" President Obama was at this point in his first term.
The latest Gallup poll puts Trump's job approval at 45%. That's the highest it's been since he took office, and it's up from 37% at the start of the year. Although you'd barely know it from the press Trump gets, his approval number has been on a slow but relatively steady rise all year.
Not only that, but Trump's approval in this poll is now equal to Obama's at the same point in Obama's presidency. Gallup had Obama at 45% approval by late June 2010.
The difference is that while Trump's approval has been climbing, Obama's was dropping steadily over the course of his first term.
When Obama took office, he had an approval rating of 67%. By August of that year, it had fallen to 50%. A year later it was down to 43% in Gallup's poll.
By this point in Obama's presidency, his average approval was 47.9% and falling, according to Real Clear Politics. By October of 2010, it dropped down to 44%. Trump's average is currently 43.7%, and on the uptrend.
www.investors.comThis past week saw an increase in approval among independents to 42% -- up from 35% the prior week -- which tied for the highest Trump has registered among this group to date. It is only the fourth week in Trump's presidency in which 40% or more of independents have approved of the job he is doing. news.gallup.com Could also likely be a bump due to the summit with Kim. And it doesn’t take into account the recent events or the impact of the tariffs. Tariffs poll well, even though they are likely to hurt more workers than they help.
One moment it seems like folks get it , then the next totally oblivious.
We've already found Trump's floor, it's ~40%. That 40% supports him because of the 'negative' stuff, not despite it. Every time the crowd thinks they are swaying moderate republicans, they are really just slightly growing and entrenching his base. Stormy Daniels actually makes for a great example of that.
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On June 21 2018 05:49 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2018 05:43 Tachion wrote:On June 21 2018 05:23 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 21 2018 05:09 Rebs wrote:On June 21 2018 05:06 PhoenixVoid wrote:I can't find this anywhere else in the thread and it's relatively recent. Drumpf reverses course, signs order to keep families togetherPresident Donald Drumpf on Wednesday reversed his debunked argument that he had no authority to stop separations of undocumented immigrant families at the border, signing an executive order to keep parents and kids together. "We're signing an executive order. I consider it to be a very important executive order. It's about keeping families together, while at the same time being sure we have a very powerful, very strong border," Drumpf said. Drumpf's climbdown came after he faced intense pressure from across the political spectrum and from religious, political and world leaders to halt the separations, which produced days of heartrending news coverage of crying children -- some of whom were kept in cage-like detention centers. The President claimed, though, that he isn't backing down. "The border is just as tough. But we do want to keep families together," Drumpf said in the Oval Office. "We are keeping the family together." Earlier Wednesday after a frenzied morning in which he huddled with Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen and other key officials, Drumpf first flagged his reversal saying, "I'll be doing something that's somewhat preemptive and ultimately will be matched by legislation I'm sure." ... https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/20/politics/trump-separation-action-immigration/index.htmlHe backs down and compromises for now, but it's not over. I'd guess the fear of an extended battle and an abundant source of sound bites for the Dems when the November midterms come by got to him? The news app on my phone simultaneously exploded with this about 10 mins ago. Good Guy Trump looks pretty winner here. I'm having a hard time seeing this as the 'dick ending' catastrophe others seem to think it is. Mostly because Trump is getting better approval numbers, not worse. Popularity: President Trump can't get a break from negative press coverage, but somehow his approval rating continues to edge upward. In fact, it's now tied with where the "extremely popular" President Obama was at this point in his first term.
The latest Gallup poll puts Trump's job approval at 45%. That's the highest it's been since he took office, and it's up from 37% at the start of the year. Although you'd barely know it from the press Trump gets, his approval number has been on a slow but relatively steady rise all year.
Not only that, but Trump's approval in this poll is now equal to Obama's at the same point in Obama's presidency. Gallup had Obama at 45% approval by late June 2010.
The difference is that while Trump's approval has been climbing, Obama's was dropping steadily over the course of his first term.
When Obama took office, he had an approval rating of 67%. By August of that year, it had fallen to 50%. A year later it was down to 43% in Gallup's poll.
By this point in Obama's presidency, his average approval was 47.9% and falling, according to Real Clear Politics. By October of 2010, it dropped down to 44%. Trump's average is currently 43.7%, and on the uptrend.
www.investors.comThis past week saw an increase in approval among independents to 42% -- up from 35% the prior week -- which tied for the highest Trump has registered among this group to date. It is only the fourth week in Trump's presidency in which 40% or more of independents have approved of the job he is doing. news.gallup.com Could also likely be a bump due to the summit with Kim. It's been trending up since the tail end of when it was wall to wall Stormy Daniels and her lawyer (that fizzled out it seems?) The summit certainly helped but the initial stories about the immigration stuff was already making it's rounds. I'd guess there might be some dip reflected in some polls but overall his trend remains upward and the credit for fixing his own problem will outshine the problem he made. Show nested quote +On June 21 2018 05:44 Plansix wrote:On June 21 2018 05:43 Tachion wrote:On June 21 2018 05:23 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 21 2018 05:09 Rebs wrote:On June 21 2018 05:06 PhoenixVoid wrote:I can't find this anywhere else in the thread and it's relatively recent. Drumpf reverses course, signs order to keep families togetherPresident Donald Drumpf on Wednesday reversed his debunked argument that he had no authority to stop separations of undocumented immigrant families at the border, signing an executive order to keep parents and kids together. "We're signing an executive order. I consider it to be a very important executive order. It's about keeping families together, while at the same time being sure we have a very powerful, very strong border," Drumpf said. Drumpf's climbdown came after he faced intense pressure from across the political spectrum and from religious, political and world leaders to halt the separations, which produced days of heartrending news coverage of crying children -- some of whom were kept in cage-like detention centers. The President claimed, though, that he isn't backing down. "The border is just as tough. But we do want to keep families together," Drumpf said in the Oval Office. "We are keeping the family together." Earlier Wednesday after a frenzied morning in which he huddled with Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen and other key officials, Drumpf first flagged his reversal saying, "I'll be doing something that's somewhat preemptive and ultimately will be matched by legislation I'm sure." ... https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/20/politics/trump-separation-action-immigration/index.htmlHe backs down and compromises for now, but it's not over. I'd guess the fear of an extended battle and an abundant source of sound bites for the Dems when the November midterms come by got to him? The news app on my phone simultaneously exploded with this about 10 mins ago. Good Guy Trump looks pretty winner here. I'm having a hard time seeing this as the 'dick ending' catastrophe others seem to think it is. Mostly because Trump is getting better approval numbers, not worse. Popularity: President Trump can't get a break from negative press coverage, but somehow his approval rating continues to edge upward. In fact, it's now tied with where the "extremely popular" President Obama was at this point in his first term.
The latest Gallup poll puts Trump's job approval at 45%. That's the highest it's been since he took office, and it's up from 37% at the start of the year. Although you'd barely know it from the press Trump gets, his approval number has been on a slow but relatively steady rise all year.
Not only that, but Trump's approval in this poll is now equal to Obama's at the same point in Obama's presidency. Gallup had Obama at 45% approval by late June 2010.
The difference is that while Trump's approval has been climbing, Obama's was dropping steadily over the course of his first term.
When Obama took office, he had an approval rating of 67%. By August of that year, it had fallen to 50%. A year later it was down to 43% in Gallup's poll.
By this point in Obama's presidency, his average approval was 47.9% and falling, according to Real Clear Politics. By October of 2010, it dropped down to 44%. Trump's average is currently 43.7%, and on the uptrend.
www.investors.comThis past week saw an increase in approval among independents to 42% -- up from 35% the prior week -- which tied for the highest Trump has registered among this group to date. It is only the fourth week in Trump's presidency in which 40% or more of independents have approved of the job he is doing. news.gallup.com Could also likely be a bump due to the summit with Kim. And it doesn’t take into account the recent events or the impact of the tariffs. Tariffs poll well, even though they are likely to hurt more workers than they help. One moment it seems like folks get it , then the next totally oblivious. We've already found Trump's floor, it's ~40%. That 40% supports him because of the 'negative' stuff, not despite it. Every time the crowd thinks they are swaying moderate republicans, they are really just entrenching his base. Stormy Daniels actually makes for a great example of that.
We have had this discussion like 700 times, 40% of the country will always support him. Just like Nixon right up to and even after he resigned.
I know Trump changed the rules in a lot of ways, but a consistent 40% approval rating is still terrible.
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On June 21 2018 05:57 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2018 05:49 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 21 2018 05:43 Tachion wrote:On June 21 2018 05:23 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 21 2018 05:09 Rebs wrote:On June 21 2018 05:06 PhoenixVoid wrote:I can't find this anywhere else in the thread and it's relatively recent. Drumpf reverses course, signs order to keep families togetherPresident Donald Drumpf on Wednesday reversed his debunked argument that he had no authority to stop separations of undocumented immigrant families at the border, signing an executive order to keep parents and kids together. "We're signing an executive order. I consider it to be a very important executive order. It's about keeping families together, while at the same time being sure we have a very powerful, very strong border," Drumpf said. Drumpf's climbdown came after he faced intense pressure from across the political spectrum and from religious, political and world leaders to halt the separations, which produced days of heartrending news coverage of crying children -- some of whom were kept in cage-like detention centers. The President claimed, though, that he isn't backing down. "The border is just as tough. But we do want to keep families together," Drumpf said in the Oval Office. "We are keeping the family together." Earlier Wednesday after a frenzied morning in which he huddled with Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen and other key officials, Drumpf first flagged his reversal saying, "I'll be doing something that's somewhat preemptive and ultimately will be matched by legislation I'm sure." ... https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/20/politics/trump-separation-action-immigration/index.htmlHe backs down and compromises for now, but it's not over. I'd guess the fear of an extended battle and an abundant source of sound bites for the Dems when the November midterms come by got to him? The news app on my phone simultaneously exploded with this about 10 mins ago. Good Guy Trump looks pretty winner here. I'm having a hard time seeing this as the 'dick ending' catastrophe others seem to think it is. Mostly because Trump is getting better approval numbers, not worse. Popularity: President Trump can't get a break from negative press coverage, but somehow his approval rating continues to edge upward. In fact, it's now tied with where the "extremely popular" President Obama was at this point in his first term.
The latest Gallup poll puts Trump's job approval at 45%. That's the highest it's been since he took office, and it's up from 37% at the start of the year. Although you'd barely know it from the press Trump gets, his approval number has been on a slow but relatively steady rise all year.
Not only that, but Trump's approval in this poll is now equal to Obama's at the same point in Obama's presidency. Gallup had Obama at 45% approval by late June 2010.
The difference is that while Trump's approval has been climbing, Obama's was dropping steadily over the course of his first term.
When Obama took office, he had an approval rating of 67%. By August of that year, it had fallen to 50%. A year later it was down to 43% in Gallup's poll.
By this point in Obama's presidency, his average approval was 47.9% and falling, according to Real Clear Politics. By October of 2010, it dropped down to 44%. Trump's average is currently 43.7%, and on the uptrend.
www.investors.comThis past week saw an increase in approval among independents to 42% -- up from 35% the prior week -- which tied for the highest Trump has registered among this group to date. It is only the fourth week in Trump's presidency in which 40% or more of independents have approved of the job he is doing. news.gallup.com Could also likely be a bump due to the summit with Kim. It's been trending up since the tail end of when it was wall to wall Stormy Daniels and her lawyer (that fizzled out it seems?) The summit certainly helped but the initial stories about the immigration stuff was already making it's rounds. I'd guess there might be some dip reflected in some polls but overall his trend remains upward and the credit for fixing his own problem will outshine the problem he made. On June 21 2018 05:44 Plansix wrote:On June 21 2018 05:43 Tachion wrote:On June 21 2018 05:23 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 21 2018 05:09 Rebs wrote:On June 21 2018 05:06 PhoenixVoid wrote:I can't find this anywhere else in the thread and it's relatively recent. Drumpf reverses course, signs order to keep families togetherPresident Donald Drumpf on Wednesday reversed his debunked argument that he had no authority to stop separations of undocumented immigrant families at the border, signing an executive order to keep parents and kids together. "We're signing an executive order. I consider it to be a very important executive order. It's about keeping families together, while at the same time being sure we have a very powerful, very strong border," Drumpf said. Drumpf's climbdown came after he faced intense pressure from across the political spectrum and from religious, political and world leaders to halt the separations, which produced days of heartrending news coverage of crying children -- some of whom were kept in cage-like detention centers. The President claimed, though, that he isn't backing down. "The border is just as tough. But we do want to keep families together," Drumpf said in the Oval Office. "We are keeping the family together." Earlier Wednesday after a frenzied morning in which he huddled with Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen and other key officials, Drumpf first flagged his reversal saying, "I'll be doing something that's somewhat preemptive and ultimately will be matched by legislation I'm sure." ... https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/20/politics/trump-separation-action-immigration/index.htmlHe backs down and compromises for now, but it's not over. I'd guess the fear of an extended battle and an abundant source of sound bites for the Dems when the November midterms come by got to him? The news app on my phone simultaneously exploded with this about 10 mins ago. Good Guy Trump looks pretty winner here. I'm having a hard time seeing this as the 'dick ending' catastrophe others seem to think it is. Mostly because Trump is getting better approval numbers, not worse. Popularity: President Trump can't get a break from negative press coverage, but somehow his approval rating continues to edge upward. In fact, it's now tied with where the "extremely popular" President Obama was at this point in his first term.
The latest Gallup poll puts Trump's job approval at 45%. That's the highest it's been since he took office, and it's up from 37% at the start of the year. Although you'd barely know it from the press Trump gets, his approval number has been on a slow but relatively steady rise all year.
Not only that, but Trump's approval in this poll is now equal to Obama's at the same point in Obama's presidency. Gallup had Obama at 45% approval by late June 2010.
The difference is that while Trump's approval has been climbing, Obama's was dropping steadily over the course of his first term.
When Obama took office, he had an approval rating of 67%. By August of that year, it had fallen to 50%. A year later it was down to 43% in Gallup's poll.
By this point in Obama's presidency, his average approval was 47.9% and falling, according to Real Clear Politics. By October of 2010, it dropped down to 44%. Trump's average is currently 43.7%, and on the uptrend.
www.investors.comThis past week saw an increase in approval among independents to 42% -- up from 35% the prior week -- which tied for the highest Trump has registered among this group to date. It is only the fourth week in Trump's presidency in which 40% or more of independents have approved of the job he is doing. news.gallup.com Could also likely be a bump due to the summit with Kim. And it doesn’t take into account the recent events or the impact of the tariffs. Tariffs poll well, even though they are likely to hurt more workers than they help. One moment it seems like folks get it , then the next totally oblivious. We've already found Trump's floor, it's ~40%. That 40% supports him because of the 'negative' stuff, not despite it. Every time the crowd thinks they are swaying moderate republicans, they are really just entrenching his base. Stormy Daniels actually makes for a great example of that. We have had this discussion like 700 times, 40% of the country will always support him. Just like Nixon right up to and even after he resigned. I know Trump changed the rules in a lot of ways, but a consistent 40% approval rating is still terrible.
It's not about the consistency, it's that it's going up and comparable to Obama.
If this was Nixon's era Trump would have already been impeached. It's not and he's not. The whole Nixon process required a sense of honor and respect for institutions that voters, Congress and the President simply don't possess.
There is 0 chance at removing Trump through impeachment, it's strictly a matter of beating him in 2020. As such his approval being around where it was when he got elected is a problem. Particularly when Democrats have nothing left to throw at him.
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Nixon did not have Fox News, Social Media, or economic anxiety fueled even more by hurt White pride.
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It also took two years to impeach him. It was a very slow process and the Republicans in congress did not take it seriously until Nixon forced the AG and Deputy AG to resign. And even after that, they still needed to hear the tapes.
You folks should listen to the podcast Slow Burn about the Water Gate investigation. The Nixon administration pulled some real shit trying to cover up that investigation, including kidnapping a woman and drugging her for an extended period of time. It is amazing it took two years to get him out of office considering what they are pulling.
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On June 21 2018 06:22 Plansix wrote:
It also took two years to impeach him. It was a very slow process and the Republicans in congress did not take it seriously until Nixon forced the AG and Deputy AG to resign. And even after that, they still needed to hear the tapes.
You folks should listen to the podcast Slow Burn about the Water Gate investigation. The Nixon administration pulled some real shit trying to cover up that investigation, including kidnapping a woman and drugging her for an extended period of time. It is amazing it took two years to get him out of office considering what they are pulling.
Are you being contrarian for the sake of it or do you genuinely still think Trump is going to get impeached (removed forcibly or stepping down) before 2020?
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On June 21 2018 06:26 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2018 06:22 Plansix wrote:
It also took two years to impeach him. It was a very slow process and the Republicans in congress did not take it seriously until Nixon forced the AG and Deputy AG to resign. And even after that, they still needed to hear the tapes.
You folks should listen to the podcast Slow Burn about the Water Gate investigation. The Nixon administration pulled some real shit trying to cover up that investigation, including kidnapping a woman and drugging her for an extended period of time. It is amazing it took two years to get him out of office considering what they are pulling. Are you being contrarian for the sake of it or do you genuinely still think Trump is going to get impeached (removed forcibly or stepping down) before 2020?
I was saying that Nixon’s approval rating never went below 40% nationwide, so they are a poor metric to gauge the health of an administration.
I lack sufficient information to form an opinion on the likelihood of impeachment before 2020. Call me in January, 2019.
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