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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
June 10 2020 21:59 GMT
#48201
I recently moved to Portland downtown, and the police every fucking night wake me up with their bullshit flash bangs, glad to hear everyone is FOR defunding their asses.
Life?
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26307 Posts
June 10 2020 22:17 GMT
#48202
On June 11 2020 06:41 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2020 06:40 Wombat_NI wrote:
On June 11 2020 06:31 farvacola wrote:
You wanna know how I know that the protestors are having an impact?

NASCAR is going to ban the confederate flag.

Just went down to hell to check it hadn’t frozen over. Call me surprised

You came to visit and didn't think to stop by? Rude.

My day visit security pass’ terms were extremely strict. Shall try my best next time I’m down
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15742 Posts
June 10 2020 22:21 GMT
#48203
Up to 53 callers and every single one calls for defunding the police
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
June 10 2020 22:28 GMT
#48204
so the current Portland police budget is ~$240M and people want it to be < $190M?
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15742 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-10 22:59:28
June 10 2020 22:30 GMT
#48205
On June 11 2020 07:28 IgnE wrote:
so the current Portland police budget is ~$240M and people want it to be < $190M?


That's what people are pushing for without considering other income sources, such as cannabis sales. 190M is still way too much, but it seems to be the most common thing people are calling for.

Here is where the 50M is coming from:

https://www.uniteoregon.org/defund_ppb_special_units

Over 100 callers so far and every single one calling for defunding, lol
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26307 Posts
June 11 2020 00:08 GMT
#48206
Go for it.

I mean for how long were people slung in jail for having some weed on them, how long was decriminalisation/legalisation resister and what have the negative externalities mean.

I do find the language of defund/abolition as a term incredibly difficult to push through thought. Even the people I can turn around on ‘all lives matter’ don’t want to give me an airing in clarifying those particular terms.

I’m pretty aligned already given my views, but have found that. Listened to the podcast that was posted with Ruth Wilson Gilmore wasn’t particularly new info to me but a good listen. Getting other people to sit down and listen, bit trickier.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4387 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-11 01:22:19
June 11 2020 01:18 GMT
#48207
HBO Just removed the 1939 classic movie 'Gone With the Wind' from it's service due to it's depiction of slavery.
https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-52990714

Comes a couple days after Little Britain was removed from UK BBC iPlay and Netflix.
Seems like a big wave of censorship is about to start, maybe time to pick up a few vintage titles on DVD before they get banned from streaming services in future.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
June 11 2020 01:51 GMT
#48208
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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14104 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-11 03:44:45
June 11 2020 03:42 GMT
#48209
I think gone with the wind being canceled is crazy. Holiday inn is still up there on amazon prime and has a song with two of the main (white) actress's in full black face and the (white) actress is dressed up as a super racist caricature.



Heres the longest clip on it that I could find but its really really bad and It shocked me that it was still up there. The whole song is basically about how happy black people are about abe lincoln freeing the slaves and how everything is better for him doing that.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15742 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-11 04:30:52
June 11 2020 04:19 GMT
#48210


Very proud of GH and my other Seattle allies!!! Much love from Portland! Please triple the fight!

Making the whole PNW proud right now. I'm going to frame this and hang it in my living room
pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1414 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-11 08:24:10
June 11 2020 08:09 GMT
#48211
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28747 Posts
June 11 2020 09:13 GMT
#48212
I was never even remotely fond of the accelerationist argument but I gotta say the past couple weeks have been a strong argument in favor of it. Had there been a democrat president who immediately said all the right things while throwing a few token policy bones, I don't think these protests would ever have grown to the size, tenacity or impact that they have ended up having.
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Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
June 11 2020 10:17 GMT
#48213
It definitely feels like that equilibrium of "life is bad but not bad enough to risk making it worse" is leaning towards "life is bad" enough to have people willing to take risks.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18855 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-11 10:49:41
June 11 2020 10:48 GMT
#48214
Here's a story about how, despite their best efforts, Fox News and its reporter Lara Logan seem unable to find anything legitimate to substantiate claims that "antifa" is something anyone other than Qanon nutjubs should be talking about with regard to what is going on in the US right now.

+ Show Spoiler +
The key “investigative journalist” lending credibility to Fox News’ incessant coverage of an alleged “antifa” insurgency has frequently promoted obvious hoaxes about her supposed area of expertise.

Lara Logan, an award-winning former CBS News correspondent who joined Fox News as a host on their online-streaming service Fox Nation last year and has been billed an “investigative journalist” by herself and in promos, has become a fixture of the network’s coverage of the loosely organized anti-fascist movement.

President Donald Trump and his allies have repeatedly claimed antifa is a shadowy group behind nationwide protests and the violence that occurred during some of them—even though the FBI found “no intelligence indicating antifa involvement” in the May 31 protests in Washington, D.C., and antifa is literally never mentioned in the DOJ’s first round of prosecutions. Nevertheless, Logan has been utilized by Fox to lend journalistic cachet to such allegations.

But a review of Logan’s reporting—both online and on Fox News—shows a clear pattern of repeatedly falling for obvious hoaxes and passing along eye-popping but completely unsubstantiated claims.

On May 31, for example, Logan tweeted out an image of a document she alleged to be an antifa battle plan, claiming they had infiltrated law enforcement and provided a “riot” manual for protesters.

“For those of you still in denial about who is directing & controlling the protests - take a close look at this,” Logan tweeted.

That document, however, was merely a recirculated version of a hoax first peddled during the April 2015 Baltimore riots over Freddie Gray’s death in police custody. There’s no proof that the overwrought document, which urges antifa activists to communicate with “agitorg” leaders and rendezvous at a mystery location called “GAMMA PRIME,” is real.

Fox News and Logan didn’t respond to requests for comment.

The following day, Logan posted a picture of a tweet purporting to come from a national antifa group threatening to terrorize majority-white neighborhoods. The tweet she cited read: “Tonight’s the night, Comrades...Tonight we say ‘Fuck The City’ and we move into the residential areas... the white hoods.... and we take what’s ours,” along with a black raised-fist emoji.

That tweet turned out to have come from a fake account linked to white-nationalist group Identity Europa posing as antifa while calling for violence. The fake antifa account even included the acronym “I.E.” in its logo, a clear reference to its ties to Identity Europa.

After being called out for credulously passing along two hoaxes, Logan did not correct, update, or delete either tweet, instead lashing out at critics as waging a smear campaign to “destroy” her. There can be “no doubt,” she wrote, that liberal media-monitoring group Media Matters for America had “marshaled their army & all their resources” against her. (In 2013, Media Matters exposed Logan’s false 60 Minutes reporting on Benghazi, which resulted in a retraction, an on-air apology from Logan, and a leave of absence.)

Several days after posting the fake antifa tweets, Logan would again fall for another hoax—this time taking an obvious joke about rap-loving clowns as serious proof of an antifa conspiracy.

As a joke, one Twitter user wrote a thread connecting antifa to costume-wearing furries, Korean pop listeners, and the rowdy, soda-chugging fans of horrorcore rap duo Insane Clown Posse, who call themselves “juggalos” and dress up in clown makeup.

At one point, the account wrote that “for those confused as to the antifa clown hierarchy, there isn't one juggalos are regulars jokers are auxiliaries outside the traditional command structure.”

Logan reposted that June 5 tweet, holding it up as proof of the clandestine antifa hierarchy she has long claimed exists. “Exposing the lie: Anarchists hide behind the idea that there is no organization or structure - but here you have it in their own words: ‘traditional command structure,’” tweeted the Fox reporter. Her tweet still remains live.

The Fox star kept up her conspiracy theorizing early Wednesday morning, speculating that Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) won her office because of some unspecified plot operated by the same unknown forces Logan believes control antifa activists.

“My question: who turned a bartender from NY into a mouthpiece for a radical agenda?” Logan tweeted. “Same people pulling the strings/behind Antifa & on the streets?”

Logan’s unsubstantiated antifa tweets, many of them remarkably inaccurate, have prompted questions about why she was peddling hoaxes in the first place. She was a well-respected reporter while at CBS, where she won an Emmy Award and other major reporting prizes. (In 2011, Logan was the victim of a violent mob sexual assault while covering the Egyptian Revolution).

Since 2019, Logan has re-emerged as a right-wing journalist and pundit, who now claims her reporting has been unfairly targeted by fellow reporters and Media Matters.

“She used to be a distinguished correspondent for ‘60 Minutes,’” CNN’s Reliable Sources host Brian Stelter lamented on Twitter after Logan’s suggestion that Ocasio-Cortez is a puppet for sinister forces.

Even as Logan struggles to discern disinformation and parody from verifiable evidence, Fox News has repeatedly touted Logan’s expertise on antifa during her on-air appearances.

“Lara Logan has been covering antifa for years and explains their track record of instigating violence,” reporter Griff Jenkins declared before her June 5 appearance on Fox & Friends, citing a Fox Nation webisode she did on the movement earlier this year, which the network has frequently promoted.

In a June 2 hit on Fox & Friends, Logan claimed antifa is a “massive network” whose main goal is to make “us believe that we are divided” because they “want it to be about Republican and Democrat, but it is not.”

She also went on to allege that The New York Times and other media outlets push antifa propaganda, while calling for the Trump administration to designate antifa a terrorist organization.

“They are literally collecting data and dismissing all of this. What you are seeing in front of your eyes, they are saying is a conspiracy theory,” she said. “I mean, they have used conspiracy theory, that's an information warfare term that’s meant to shut down any conversation and to silence and to intimidate and to get us to self-censor because we don’t want to be accused of being crazy right-wing conspiracy theorists.”

During a June 4 appearance on Hannity, Logan first touted claims from right-wing provocateur James O’Keefe’s Project Veritas that the organization had “infiltrated antifa”—the supposed sting operation took place in a bookstore that closed two years ago—before warning that antifa is dropping off “pallets of bricks” at protest sites to provoke violence and vandalism.

“You talked about bricks, Sean,” she said to Fox host Sean Hannity. “It’s not just bricks they’re putting in the streets. I actually saw something that is kind of a pallet.”

Turning to Fox News contributor Dan Bongino, who is reportedly a key figure in getting Trump to focus his attention on antifa, Logan added: “It makes it easy to move a large amount of bricks very quickly where they can just literally put it on the back of a truck and the truck tilts and it slides right off and it stays intact. This is a form of logistical support that the U.S. military uses.”

Fact-checkers, however, have found no validity for suggestions that large piles of bricks have been deliberately left near sites of protests in an effort to incite violence. Nor have there been any sightings of antifa-led cargo trucks dropping off pallets of bricks in cities for demonstrators to chuck at buildings or police.

Logan also warned viewers that antifa was holding “webinars” to train people how to encrypt communications and scrub social media accounts, pointing to a flyer from the Civil Liberties Defense Center.

The following morning on Fox & Friends, Logan called the George Floyd protests antifa’s “Super Bowl” before suggesting that The New York Times’ “1619 Project” and #BlackoutTuesday were all part of a concerted effort “designed to get you one step closer to a Marxist state.”

This past Monday evening, meanwhile, Logan told primetime host Laura Ingraham that the “political agenda” being pushed by the movement was “all over the internet” but that “many of those sites are blocking me now.”

It is unclear which websites are specifically blocking her.


Lara Logan, the Fox ‘Investigative Journalist’ Who Keeps Falling for Antifa Hoaxes
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26307 Posts
June 11 2020 11:47 GMT
#48215
Can we please get back to the real important news about some media being taken off streaming services that Nettles so kindly alerted us to?

Facetiousness aside I think it is interesting to consider what the remits are as to what should be pulled, or even merely re-edited for modern audiences and culture.

One of the co-creators of Little Britain said about a mooted return of the show when interviewed in 2017 that some of the old material simply wouldn’t fly today, himself and unprompted by controversy. Even 18-15 years ago I never liked that show as even younger me felt it ‘punched down’ too much.

On the other hand you have period pieces, surely they should reflect that period’s social norms, unpalatable as they may be? In the case of something like Gone like the Wind.

A comedy show like All in the Family contains heinous prejudice all around it, but the central joke is that Archie Bunker is a prejudiced dinosaur and it’s both at his expense as well as exploring prejudice at some surface level.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18855 Posts
June 11 2020 11:53 GMT
#48216
Well HBO already said they're gonna put GWtW back up after they "add context," which is absolutely called for given both the movie and book's uncomplicated Lost Cause aesthetic, so we'll have to see what exactly is done to add context.

Could be good, could be bad, could be real dumb, but regardless, fools with hotbad takes on how we live in an Orwell novel will rush in.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26307 Posts
June 11 2020 11:59 GMT
#48217
On June 11 2020 13:19 Mohdoo wrote:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1270914092295950337

Very proud of GH and my other Seattle allies!!! Much love from Portland! Please triple the fight!

Making the whole PNW proud right now. I'm going to frame this and hang it in my living room

Best of luck folks from my corner of the world, stay safe.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
iamthedave
Profile Joined February 2011
England2814 Posts
June 11 2020 12:06 GMT
#48218
On June 11 2020 20:47 Wombat_NI wrote:
Can we please get back to the real important news about some media being taken off streaming services that Nettles so kindly alerted us to?

Facetiousness aside I think it is interesting to consider what the remits are as to what should be pulled, or even merely re-edited for modern audiences and culture.

One of the co-creators of Little Britain said about a mooted return of the show when interviewed in 2017 that some of the old material simply wouldn’t fly today, himself and unprompted by controversy. Even 18-15 years ago I never liked that show as even younger me felt it ‘punched down’ too much.

On the other hand you have period pieces, surely they should reflect that period’s social norms, unpalatable as they may be? In the case of something like Gone like the Wind.

A comedy show like All in the Family contains heinous prejudice all around it, but the central joke is that Archie Bunker is a prejudiced dinosaur and it’s both at his expense as well as exploring prejudice at some surface level.


Just Nettles being clueless as always. All HBO did was pull it so they could add a disclaimer at the start which says 'this movie was made back when racism was culturally accepted' or something along those lines. There's no censorship whatsoever in the offing as far as anyone can tell.
I'm not bad at Starcraft; I just think winning's rude.
Trainrunnef
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States601 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-11 12:13:44
June 11 2020 12:12 GMT
#48219
On June 11 2020 20:47 Wombat_NI wrote:
Can we please get back to the real important news about some media being taken off streaming services that Nettles so kindly alerted us to?

Facetiousness aside I think it is interesting to consider what the remits are as to what should be pulled, or even merely re-edited for modern audiences and culture.

One of the co-creators of Little Britain said about a mooted return of the show when interviewed in 2017 that some of the old material simply wouldn’t fly today, himself and unprompted by controversy. Even 18-15 years ago I never liked that show as even younger me felt it ‘punched down’ too much.

On the other hand you have period pieces, surely they should reflect that period’s social norms, unpalatable as they may be? In the case of something like Gone like the Wind.

A comedy show like All in the Family contains heinous prejudice all around it, but the central joke is that Archie Bunker is a prejudiced dinosaur and it’s both at his expense as well as exploring prejudice at some surface level.



Yeah, I cant really get behind censorship, especially under these circumstances. I would even leave the work as originally edited with maybe some disclaimer in the opening credits that the movie includes whatever prejudiced perspectives and is a sign of the time in which it was written/filmed.

EDIT: well i guess ^ clears that up.
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15742 Posts
June 11 2020 12:38 GMT
#48220
props to Virgina for taking out another couple statues last night! I hope they'll be able to finish it off with Robert e Lee's 60 ft abomination. It doesn't deserve storage or to be in a museum. Break it into a million pieces
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