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Now that we have a new thread, in order to ensure that this thread continues to meet TL standards and follows the proper guidelines, we will be enforcing the rules in the OP more strictly. Be sure to give them a complete and thorough read before posting!

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Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10665 Posts
June 01 2020 22:25 GMT
#47281
In Civ5 you can only change social policies (in our case, the LEO system) by undergoing anarchy for a few turns. That’s prolly gonna have to be the reality for us if we want real change.
Skol
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-01 23:03:49
June 01 2020 22:42 GMT
#47282
President's about to speak. So police just started tear gassing and flash banging the peaceful protests near the white house...

+ Show Spoiler +
Neosteel Enthusiast
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
June 01 2020 22:53 GMT
#47283
OK he said he told the governors to use national guard to dominate protestors, and if they don't do it he will send in the US military. He said he deployed thousands of armed soldiers to DC.

He walked off without answering any questions ofc
Neosteel Enthusiast
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15742 Posts
June 01 2020 23:05 GMT
#47284
On June 02 2020 07:53 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
OK he said he told the governors to use national guard to dominate protestors, and if they don't do it he will send in the US military. He said he deployed thousands of armed soldiers to DC.

He walked off without answering any questions ofc


Works for me. That will help this movement actually do something. Trump escalates means citizens escalate. This isn't a game the government can win.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22117 Posts
June 01 2020 23:06 GMT
#47285
On June 02 2020 07:53 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
OK he said he told the governors to use national guard to dominate protestors, and if they don't do it he will send in the US military. He said he deployed thousands of armed soldiers to DC.

He walked off without answering any questions ofc
I'm sure 2 minutes later someone told him that its not quite that easy to deploy the army on US soil and there are a bunch of nasty laws that get in the way.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-02 00:08:11
June 01 2020 23:13 GMT
#47286
On June 02 2020 08:06 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2020 07:53 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
OK he said he told the governors to use national guard to dominate protestors, and if they don't do it he will send in the US military. He said he deployed thousands of armed soldiers to DC.

He walked off without answering any questions ofc
I'm sure 2 minutes later someone told him that its not quite that easy to deploy the army on US soil and there are a bunch of nasty laws that get in the way.

Using a 200 year old law to do so edit: not sure if the 1807 Insurrection act is actually invoked or just a threat

And we found out the reason why they starting blasting all the peaceful protestors around the white house with gas and flash bangs to clear. It's so Trump could counter the 'bunker' memes by being brave and walking to the church across the street. Huge bravery gassing all those people.
Neosteel Enthusiast
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
June 01 2020 23:21 GMT
#47287
I hope the National Guard defend it's citizens.
Life?
puppykiller
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States3137 Posts
June 02 2020 00:17 GMT
#47288
On June 02 2020 07:02 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2020 06:15 puppykiller wrote:
Demonstrators: "the system is evil"
Response from politicians: speeches about how the system is evil

Demonstrators: "we demand change"
Response from politicians: speeches where they claim to demand change

Demonstrators: "Here are specific changes we demand, lets create a timeline and goals for each one of these, we demand a response addressing these exact demands, the implementation, nuances, etc... the balls in your court"
Response from politicians:
A: "Ok we will address these demands you have rallied around and create a timeline, goals and address nuances"
B: "We will address these... eventually, but we wont get into any details about how and probably wont actually do them"


Our goal is A. Now lets do a little less yelling "the system of evil" (even though it feels good) and a little more rallying around goals. We need to give politicians demands now for quick goals they can do (like arresting the other cops), hear their explanation for why they haven't yet, and negotiate to make sure we are getting towards A and not B.

Demands have been made before and been ignored or, when changes are put in place, our glorious leader decided to scrap them. This is no longer a good faith argument.


This doesn't address my post. My post is about aiming for goal A. Your response is about B. and the above.

Your only contribution is being angry, and telling other people to be angry. Anger is an ingredient, it isn't the end goal.
Why would I play sctoo when I can play BW?
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
June 02 2020 00:18 GMT
#47289
On June 02 2020 08:13 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2020 08:06 Gorsameth wrote:
On June 02 2020 07:53 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
OK he said he told the governors to use national guard to dominate protestors, and if they don't do it he will send in the US military. He said he deployed thousands of armed soldiers to DC.

He walked off without answering any questions ofc
I'm sure 2 minutes later someone told him that its not quite that easy to deploy the army on US soil and there are a bunch of nasty laws that get in the way.

Using a 200 year old law to do so edit: not sure if the 1807 Insurrection act is actually invoked or just a threat

And we found out the reason why they starting blasting all the peaceful protestors around the white house with gas and flash bangs to clear. It's so Trump could counter the 'bunker' memes by being brave and walking to the church across the street. Huge bravery gassing all those people.

It takes a big powerful man to assault peaceful Americans with chemicals and force using hired guards in military-grade armor. You don't understand. America would look weak to other nations if we didn't assault and kill our own for no legitimate cause.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
StalkerTL
Profile Joined May 2020
212 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-02 00:24:10
June 02 2020 00:22 GMT
#47290
On June 02 2020 09:18 NewSunshine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2020 08:13 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
On June 02 2020 08:06 Gorsameth wrote:
On June 02 2020 07:53 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
OK he said he told the governors to use national guard to dominate protestors, and if they don't do it he will send in the US military. He said he deployed thousands of armed soldiers to DC.

He walked off without answering any questions ofc
I'm sure 2 minutes later someone told him that its not quite that easy to deploy the army on US soil and there are a bunch of nasty laws that get in the way.

Using a 200 year old law to do so edit: not sure if the 1807 Insurrection act is actually invoked or just a threat

And we found out the reason why they starting blasting all the peaceful protestors around the white house with gas and flash bangs to clear. It's so Trump could counter the 'bunker' memes by being brave and walking to the church across the street. Huge bravery gassing all those people.

It takes a big powerful man to assault peaceful Americans with chemicals and force using hired guards in military-grade armor. You don't understand. America would look weak to other nations if we didn't assault and kill our own for no legitimate cause.


That’s actually the reason why Trump respects China for Tiananmen Square. It was a show of power and strength from the Chinese government as opposed to the weak US who gives into the pressures of the protestors. If he could run over protestors without much retaliatory action, he would 100% do it.

If you want to read his thoughts on it, it’s from some Playboy (of course it is) interview from the 90s.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
June 02 2020 00:25 GMT
#47291
The us military has a perfect record fighting in urban combat zones, I have no idea how this could go wrong.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22117 Posts
June 02 2020 00:27 GMT
#47292
Is this where we make some vague reference to the protesters using their 2nd amendment rights?
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10665 Posts
June 02 2020 00:41 GMT
#47293
I’m sure military force will be used on looters and rioters. I’m giving the benefit of the doubt that the (peaceful)protestors will be left unharmed.
Skol
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5711 Posts
June 02 2020 00:51 GMT
#47294
On June 02 2020 09:41 Emnjay808 wrote:
I’m sure military force will be used on looters and rioters. I’m giving the benefit of the doubt that the (peaceful)protestors will be left unharmed.


Until they stay out past the curfew that set to go into effect in 10min in some areas. Then that force will be used on them as well.
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Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
June 02 2020 00:51 GMT
#47295
That is some VERY generous benefit of the doubt given not only what's already happened during the protests and riots, but given the actual reason for the protesting
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18855 Posts
June 02 2020 00:52 GMT
#47296
Force will probably be used against peaceful demonstrators regardless, particularly if Trump is allowed to escalate things.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
iamthedave
Profile Joined February 2011
England2814 Posts
June 02 2020 01:09 GMT
#47297
On June 02 2020 09:41 Emnjay808 wrote:
I’m sure military force will be used on looters and rioters. I’m giving the benefit of the doubt that the (peaceful)protestors will be left unharmed.


They already ARE using military force against peaceful protesters. Sorry to break it to you.
I'm not bad at Starcraft; I just think winning's rude.
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
June 02 2020 01:12 GMT
#47298
On June 02 2020 09:52 farvacola wrote:
Force will probably be used against peaceful demonstrators regardless, particularly if Trump is allowed to escalate things.

Force above and beyond firing cans of teargas directly at demonstrators, shoving them to the ground, and running cars into them, you mean. Can't wait to see what's next.

I'm also positive our resident fans of the 2nd amendment will support the peaceful protesters in their endeavors if the government suddenly comes down on them with full military might. This is precisely such a situation where its invocation makes real sense.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18855 Posts
June 02 2020 01:16 GMT
#47299
On June 02 2020 10:12 NewSunshine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2020 09:52 farvacola wrote:
Force will probably be used against peaceful demonstrators regardless, particularly if Trump is allowed to escalate things.

Force above and beyond firing cans of teargas directly at demonstrators, shoving them to the ground, and running cars into them, you mean. Can't wait to see what's next.

I'm also positive our resident fans of the 2nd amendment will support the peaceful protesters in their endeavors if the government suddenly comes down on them with full military might. This is precisely such a situation where its invocation makes real sense.

Right, I think there'll probably be some live rounds fired at some point.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-02 01:42:43
June 02 2020 01:42 GMT
#47300
On June 02 2020 10:16 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2020 10:12 NewSunshine wrote:
On June 02 2020 09:52 farvacola wrote:
Force will probably be used against peaceful demonstrators regardless, particularly if Trump is allowed to escalate things.

Force above and beyond firing cans of teargas directly at demonstrators, shoving them to the ground, and running cars into them, you mean. Can't wait to see what's next.

I'm also positive our resident fans of the 2nd amendment will support the peaceful protesters in their endeavors if the government suddenly comes down on them with full military might. This is precisely such a situation where its invocation makes real sense.

Right, I think there'll probably be some live rounds fired at some point.


I believe we've already had live rounds kill someone in Louisville, KY.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/01/us/louisville-protests-man-shot-dead/index.html
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
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