US Politics Mega-thread - Page 229

On May 28 2018 01:37 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
When you have to lie so hard you even say your own white house officials aren't real...

Is there really no mechanism that can make Trump have to explain himself for this endless stream of lies and bullshit? It's saddening that it feels like the Mueller probe is the only thing adverse to him by now while he should already be kicked out of office for all this spreading of verifiable lies and conspiracy theories.


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On May 28 2018 02:51 iamthedave wrote:


This part, at least, is strategy.

Think about it; he's deliberately boxed them into a corner, forced them to name a source as anonymous, and as journalists they can't breach that, meaning he can use the very meeting he set up to insult and demean them.

On May 28 2018 03:04 NewSunshine wrote:
Nothing to see here, just Trump casually attacking all media that says anything he doesn't like. And compelling people to salute the flag. And standing by while awful crimes are perpetrated, but particularly by white folks. Because good folks are on both sides. And doing whatever he can to shit on PoC and make their lives worse, such as ripping immigrant children from their parents' arms and making people chant "build a wall" like braindead zombies. This is all definitely worth whatever he's accomplished as President. I'm sure it is.

On May 28 2018 03:21 sc-darkness wrote:


America needs more education badly and it needs it to be public. Morons like Trump won't get elected this way.

On May 28 2018 03:26 Gahlo wrote:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1000718611688943616

Just think of all those rich white people getting charged for their crimes. Who is going to bail them out like society always does and give them a pat on their back along the way?

I don't see how anybody who isn't not only drinking, but swimming, in the kool aid doesn't recognize how ridiculous this is.

On May 28 2018 03:34 iamthedave wrote:


Danglars is educated, and I'm guessing he'd vote for Trump over any democrat you could name.

This isn't education at work, it's politics-become-culture, where people vote party no matter what.

On May 28 2018 03:50 NewSunshine wrote:

...I just... what???

"How dare people have the gall to charge these people for the crimes they committed?? Our lives would have been so perfect, if only you just let us do everything we wanted without consequence!"

But surely, his Trumpets and MAGA-holes will bite on hook, line and sinker. This is where we're at now. Fuck your facts.

On May 28 2018 03:57 Danglars wrote:

For the last sentence, you’re framing this a little too harshly. The parties are roughly representative of two different approaches or collections of policy to how the country can be best run. The Republican Party tends to espouse policies I agree with, as seen in their political platform, so they generally raise candidates that capture my vote. We can hash out the failings, but I think the political/ideological presuppositions are way more important than party definition.

You are, however, right on the impact of more education. It’s more a propaganda line from the “shit on PoC” identity politics types than actually some possible boon for left-wing politics. Of course I’m going to say better education might even help my larger political side and society as a whole.

On May 27 2018 20:53 GreenHorizons wrote:


I mean when 9 out of 10 people you kill with drones aren't your target, we got beef, but there's a confluence of circumstances and opportunity that leads me to put Obama there. To be fair though, there is a very negligible amount of space separating any president since I've had any idea what "president" meant (nixon and reagan came well before my time)

On May 28 2018 06:16 KwarK wrote:
NK had nukes long before the Obama presidency and they didn't need his permission to continue to develop them. The idea that NK is a failure of the Obama presidency is absurd. Libya was mostly Anglo-French intervention. US troops had already agreed to leave Iraq before Obama and would have had to stay against Iraqi wishes.

On May 28 2018 07:09 raga4ka wrote:


Putting NK aside. I don't blame Obama for not interfering more in their nuclear development, but you can't just brush aside US involvement in Lybia. Maybe UK and France had bigger stakes in Lybia, but US played the biggest role in the war as always, and it's not like you didn't have interest in it as well.

On May 28 2018 07:17 KwarK wrote:

The French flew the plurality of air missions over Libya and conducted the plurality of air strikes. It was a NATO operation but the US did not play the biggest role. That's simply not what the records show.

Trump hits China with $50B tariffs, investment restrictions

President Donald Trump is moving ahead with steps to protect U.S. intellectual property by punishing China with broad investment restrictions, litigation at the World Trade Organization and hefty tariffs on $50 billion worth of Chinese goods.

The move, which the White House announced Tuesday morning, comes just over a week after Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said the trade war between the two countries was “on hold” and will ratchet up tensions just before Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross is set to arrive in Beijing this week for further talks.

Beijing has already pledged to retaliate against the 25 percent tariffs, which the White House said will specifically target Chinese imports “containing industrially significant technology, including those related to the ‘Made in China 2025’ program.” The list of targeted goods will be announced by June 15 and imposed shortly after, the White House said.

The investment restrictions and strengthened export controls will aim to curb Chinese acquisition of “industrially significant” technology and will be announced by June 30.

The White House also pledged to continue a WTO case it started in March on accusations that China’s intellectual property practices violate international trade law.

All three measures are being taken as a result of a seven-month investigation the Trump administration began into China’s handling of data and intellectual property, which wrapped up in late March. The White House argues as a result of that investigation that Beijing commits IP theft and forces foreign companies to hand over valuable data in order to operate in the Chinese market and compete with domestic firms.

As a result, the White House released a list in early April of $50 billion worth of products it would target with tariffs. The list steered clear of many everyday items like cellphones and clothing but included cars, some home appliances and an assortment of electronics.

China responded the next day with a $50 billion list of its own, which heavily targeted agricultural and chemical products and which Beijing has vowed to impose as soon as the U.S. moves forward with its tariffs.

But there had been some hope among free traders and the anti-tariff camp that neither would ever ultimately go into effect after the two countries launched a trade dialogue earlier this month in Beijing. After Trump administration officials traveled to China at the start of the month, a Chinese delegation came to Washington two weeks later.

After that meeting, the two sides announced that Beijing would buy significantly more U.S. agricultural and energy products in a bid to reduce the bilateral trade deficit, and they said they established a framework for addressing technology trade irritants.

“We’re putting the trade war on hold,” Mnuchin said at the close of those meetings on May 20. “Right now, we have agreed to put tariffs on hold while we try to execute the framework.”