EPTAs for the Bernie sexist remark thing, I think that was more an issue of the outlet sitting on something they heard for months and then drive a wedge between them. All the other "sexist" stuff is just people being fragile about it the same way people go "but all lives matter."
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Gahlo
United States35091 Posts
As for the Bernie sexist remark thing, I think that was more an issue of the outlet sitting on something they heard for months and then drive a wedge between them. All the other "sexist" stuff is just people being fragile about it the same way people go "but all lives matter." | ||
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pmh
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Yes with this i fully agree. I think it would actually be very beneficial for sanders if warren stays in for as long as possible. (followed by an endorsement at the very end). | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On February 26 2020 10:34 Gahlo wrote: Way I see it, I don't think Warren still being in the race is an issue at this current state. There's still a whole field of centrists and she isn't splitting the progressive wing meaningfully and stopping Bernie for running away with it. Her being in the race and slapping Bloomberg around has an even higher impact on his campaign because she's a woman, imo. In the case of moderates starting to bow out, then I'd care about how long she's stuck around. I don't think she's splitting the vote in a meaningful way - when there are so many candidates, most of them don't get enough votes to get delegates. But what I would really like to see, especially at this key point, would be to see Warren endorse Bernie. She can't win, she at the very least notionally agrees with Bernie, and what he really needs to be able to show at this point is that "the establishment" is lining up behind him. Not that she owes it to Bernie, but it would end the race immediately, in Bernie's favor, if she did. It is certainly what I think she should do. | ||
Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Sent.
Poland9104 Posts
On February 26 2020 10:49 Xxio wrote: Sounded like Bloomberg stopped halfway through saying he "bought" the new democrats that put Nancy Pelosi in charge. I'm surprised nobody brought that up at the debate haha | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States22715 Posts
On February 26 2020 10:54 Sent. wrote: I'm surprised nobody brought that up at the debate haha Here's the clip of bloomberg almost letting slip that he bought Democrats | ||
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JohnDelaney
Ireland73 Posts
https://www.live5news.com/2020/02/06/charleston-voters-express-confusion-frustration-over-presidential-debate-accessibility/ Voters hoping to attend the Democratic presidential debate in Charleston this month will be hard-pressed to find guaranteed tickets unless they pay thousands of dollars as a sponsor. Voters Emily Kiley and Peter Davis have been volunteering and supporting Bernie Sanders's campaign for months. "We watch every debate that goes on so now that one’s coming to Charleston that’s insanely exciting," Kiley said. "Of course the first thing we do is look for tickets." “But there’s no access to tickets on any Democratic site that we could see,” Kiley said. That's because tickets aren't readily available. The Charleston County Democratic Party website says "The only guaranteed way to get a ticket is to become a sponsor of the debate." Sponsorship ranges from $1,750 to $3,200 each for attendance to multiple “First in the South” events. "This is something that the average person doesn’t usually get to go to," Condon said. "The Gaillard is only so big and this is something that is just a hot ticket from across the country. These kind of events really are set up for sponsors and things like that." "At the end of the day, it’s still a money game," Davis said. "Whoever has the most gets to attend these kinds of events that should be public and should be easily accessible." Charleston voter Eileen Walsh said she was shocked to find out about the price of guaranteed admission. "I think that’s impossible for us people that obviously don’t have the money to do something like that," Walsh said. "The people should be able to go to." | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15398 Posts
My thoughts WRT winning: Winners: Bernie, Warren, Steyer, Biden, Bloomberg, klobuchar, buttigieg in that order Buttigieg and Klobuchar did not justify their appearance. They both tried and failed to appear even slightly relevant Bloomberg got his ass beat, but not as bad as before Biden had some good moments but also drifted and seemed kinda weird Steyer-chan did a great job at defending and normalizing progressive policies. Warren destroyed bloomer a couple times. And Bernie did a totally good enough job defending himself and his policies. He was good at saying "why are people pretending Medicare for all isn't already happening in tons of developed countries? This is old news". Bernie just needed to not get shit on and he managed that But Klob and Buttigieg are gg'd for sure at this point. They totally failed to capture the night and came across as desperate. | ||
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Howie_Dewitt
United States1416 Posts
On February 26 2020 14:19 Mohdoo wrote: Dreadful debate. Hard to properly summarize what a tragedy of democracy that was. My thoughts WRT winning: Winners: Bernie, Warren, Steyer, Biden, Bloomberg, klobuchar, buttigieg in that order Buttigieg and Klobuchar did not justify their appearance. They both tried and failed to appear even slightly relevant Bloomberg got his ass beat, but not as bad as before Biden had some good moments but also drifted and seemed kinda weird Steyer-chan did a great job at defending and normalizing progressive policies. Warren destroyed bloomer a couple times. And Bernie did a totally good enough job defending himself and his policies. He was good at saying "why are people pretending Medicare for all isn't already happening in tons of developed countries? This is old news". Bernie just needed to not get shit on and he managed that But Klob and Buttigieg are gg'd for sure at this point. They totally failed to capture the night and came across as desperate. I expect steyer to get less votes than current polling indicates; the more times it's brought up that he bought a private prison and didn't divest it without protest against his company, the more people will turn away from him and his rhetoric surrounding race. | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5277 Posts
https://www.twitch.tv/bernie_sanders is it worth something?, in the great scheme of things?. Edit: hmmm, it was really short; https://www.twitch.tv/videos/558151249 , skip first 25min. seems to be just normal campaign stuff. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
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farvacola
United States18818 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States22715 Posts
On February 27 2020 02:34 ShoCkeyy wrote: The propaganda machine is working really hard in south florida against Bernie Sanders. They keep posting articles around Bernie "proudly" endorsing the Cuban Revolution and the Castros, which is completely out of context. Now a lot of Blue South Floridians are starting to turn on Bernie, it's quite sad to see how the propaganda machine can easily change peoples minds without even looking into facts. I imagine they are leaving out that he didn't say anything Obama didn't? | ||
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farvacola
United States18818 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States22715 Posts
On February 27 2020 02:39 farvacola wrote: Of course they are, they’re in full-throated Castro lover accusation mode. Here I am wishing he was that big a fan of Castro, who I'd probably rank better than any US president, given his circumstances. | ||
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farvacola
United States18818 Posts
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
On February 27 2020 02:45 GreenHorizons wrote: Here I am wishing he was that big a fan of Castro, who I'd probably rank better than any US president, given his circumstances. The Castros are pieces of shits. Like literal pieces of shit. I don't think there is a reasonable comparison to any US Presidents aside from Trump... | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States22715 Posts
On February 27 2020 02:49 ShoCkeyy wrote: The Castros are pieces of shits. Like literal pieces of shit. I don't think there is a reasonable comparison to any US Presidents aside from Trump... I'm sure a lot of people feel that way, but I think the data/history shows otherwise and would be willing to demonstrate as much with a specific president of your choice. EDIT: Generally speaking, GWB is easily worse based on Iraq alone. | ||
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