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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22308 Posts
February 11 2020 00:15 GMT
#42061
On February 11 2020 09:08 semantics wrote:If you want to get really dark you can say he see how Trump outright enriched himself with the presidency and he's looking to do the same.; or maybe he's looking to protect the billionaire class form Sanders.
Bloomberg probably makes more scratching his ass then Trump does from 'enriching' himself. I don't buy that he is doing it to make money.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14111 Posts
February 11 2020 00:38 GMT
#42062
I think the race is going to see big developments after new Hampshire. Klob is firmly a 5th place right now but unless she can jump Warren and Biden theres only so much further she can go.

That also goes for Warren and Biden if they end up in the 5th spot on the primary list. Biden may have the runway but he doesn't have a chance if he's labeled as a loser going into super Tuesday. Warren can be a kingmaker for a disputed convention but Bernie is who her people are going to want.


I'm curious if anyone else is gambling on this primary. I'm well suited to win $5k on a bet that Biden isn't going to win and I made good money on klob getting double digits in Iowa.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
February 11 2020 01:54 GMT
#42063
On February 11 2020 09:15 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2020 09:08 semantics wrote:If you want to get really dark you can say he see how Trump outright enriched himself with the presidency and he's looking to do the same.; or maybe he's looking to protect the billionaire class form Sanders.
Bloomberg probably makes more scratching his ass then Trump does from 'enriching' himself. I don't buy that he is doing it to make money.

He'll make money by not having Bernie or Warren redo taxes.
Neosteel Enthusiast
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23930 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-11 02:17:00
February 11 2020 02:16 GMT
#42064
On February 11 2020 10:54 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2020 09:15 Gorsameth wrote:
On February 11 2020 09:08 semantics wrote:If you want to get really dark you can say he see how Trump outright enriched himself with the presidency and he's looking to do the same.; or maybe he's looking to protect the billionaire class form Sanders.
Bloomberg probably makes more scratching his ass then Trump does from 'enriching' himself. I don't buy that he is doing it to make money.

He'll make money by not having Bernie or Warren redo taxes.


Which means he doesn't have to win, just stop them (really Bernie) from beating Trump. Making himself (rather than a proxy he shares with other billionaires) the alternative is a bonus.

Unlike Trump, he didn't become a "billionaire" being an idiot.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
February 11 2020 02:35 GMT
#42065
--- Nuked ---
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
February 11 2020 03:53 GMT
#42066
Bloomberg just wants to troll trump and this is how someone with that much money fucks with another rich asshole. Every add I have seen from him is just tearing into Trump.
Never Knows Best.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23930 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-11 04:06:16
February 11 2020 04:05 GMT
#42067
On February 11 2020 12:53 Slaughter wrote:
Bloomberg just wants to troll trump and this is how someone with that much money fucks with another rich asshole. Every add I have seen from him is just tearing into Trump.


Did you not see the one with Obama talking him up?



It is most definitely not as simple as just him trolling Trump. Certainly a bonus for him though.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-11 05:42:48
February 11 2020 05:41 GMT
#42068
Bloomberg wins a township. The real path to the presidency is winning both the GOP and Democrat primaries

Neosteel Enthusiast
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
February 11 2020 05:51 GMT
#42069
What does it mean to "win a township"?
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-11 06:03:46
February 11 2020 06:01 GMT
#42070
Nothing, it's a place with total population of 12. Was just a silly little result

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixville_Notch,_New_Hampshire
Neosteel Enthusiast
TentativePanda
Profile Joined August 2014
United States800 Posts
February 11 2020 06:15 GMT
#42071
Wouldnt be surprised to see CNN and MSNBC and others reporting Bloomberg winning a township for real lol

The life of a Bernie Sanders supporter is fearing what the establishment and big business will do in the next primary/caucus
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23930 Posts
February 11 2020 11:35 GMT
#42072
Bloomberg is overtaking Warren in national polling and almost qualified for the next debate.

In the first national survey since the Iowa caucuses ended with Sanders and Pete Buttigieg vying for the top spot, the Vermont senator had 25% support, topping the Quinnipiac University poll for the first time. He was followed by Biden at 17% and the former New York City mayor at 15%, according to the poll released on Monday.

Sanders is also leading in New Hampshire polls ahead of the state’s primary on Tuesday.

Bloomberg’s surge comes after his campaign spent more than $300 million on advertising around the country, including in expensive media markets in states like California and Texas that vote in the March 3 Super Tuesday nominating contests.

His strong showing gives him two of the four qualifying polls he would need to participate in the Las Vegas Democratic debate on Feb. 19. Candidates need to show 10% in four qualifying national polls or 12% in two polls taken in Nevada or South Carolina by Feb. 18. Bloomberg, who entered the race in late November, scored 10% in a Fox News national poll in January.


www.bloomberg.com
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18857 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-11 13:03:06
February 11 2020 12:56 GMT
#42073
CNN is running articles that are really pushing on the "this is the end of the importance of Iowa/NH" angle today, so prepare for a Sanders victory!

Also, Trump's budget is fucking awful and the Republican chair of the Senate Budget Committee won't even hold a hearing on it.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
February 11 2020 14:54 GMT
#42074
On February 11 2020 21:56 farvacola wrote:
CNN is running articles that are really pushing on the "this is the end of the importance of Iowa/NH" angle today, so prepare for a Sanders victory!

Also, Trump's budget is fucking awful and the Republican chair of the Senate Budget Committee won't even hold a hearing on it.

This is great news because it also means the media is sticking with Biden. The longer they don't understand why Biden has no future, the longer they'll wait to put their full force behind buttigieg. I see buttigieg as the only real threat to Bernie.
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-11 15:32:16
February 11 2020 15:31 GMT
#42075
On February 11 2020 23:54 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2020 21:56 farvacola wrote:
CNN is running articles that are really pushing on the "this is the end of the importance of Iowa/NH" angle today, so prepare for a Sanders victory!

Also, Trump's budget is fucking awful and the Republican chair of the Senate Budget Committee won't even hold a hearing on it.

This is great news because it also means the media is sticking with Biden. The longer they don't understand why Biden has no future, the longer they'll wait to put their full force behind buttigieg. I see buttigieg as the only real threat to Bernie.


I think the real/biggest threat to Bernie is a brokered convention. Buttigieg has a ton of skeletons in his closet (like the recently detailed photo-op military service he did), Bloomberg is basically a republican who's said/done pretty damning things in the past, and Biden is well Biden. None of them feel capable of pulling together a big coalition, but all of them combined seem big enough to cause a brokered convention.

There's a pretty real possibility that Bernie wins every single primary & caucus and doesn't become the nominee.
Logo
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23930 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-11 15:44:44
February 11 2020 15:44 GMT
#42076
On February 12 2020 00:31 Logo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2020 23:54 Mohdoo wrote:
On February 11 2020 21:56 farvacola wrote:
CNN is running articles that are really pushing on the "this is the end of the importance of Iowa/NH" angle today, so prepare for a Sanders victory!

Also, Trump's budget is fucking awful and the Republican chair of the Senate Budget Committee won't even hold a hearing on it.

This is great news because it also means the media is sticking with Biden. The longer they don't understand why Biden has no future, the longer they'll wait to put their full force behind buttigieg. I see buttigieg as the only real threat to Bernie.


I think the real/biggest threat to Bernie is a brokered convention. Buttigieg has a ton of skeletons in his closet (like the recently detailed photo-op military service he did), Bloomberg is basically a republican who's said/done pretty damning things in the past, and Biden is well Biden. None of them feel capable of pulling together a big coalition, but all of them combined seem big enough to cause a brokered convention.

There's a pretty real possibility that Bernie wins every single primary & caucus and doesn't become the nominee.

Luckily his supporters made just enough inroads in the DNC to push the chances for a brokered convention way down. Unless the Anti-Sanders crowd consolidate before super Tuesday on Bloomberg (outside of each candidates best polling/home state) there just isn't the logistics to stop Bernie nationally. Bloomberg's surge threatens to knock everyone out of contention for delegates by falling just short of the 15% threshold.

It was going to be hard for Bernie to consolidate enough delegates to win outright, but if he's the only candidate getting over 15% in a lot of super Tuesday states he can end up with what effectively becomes winner take all/most situations despite probably getting a lower share and overall number of votes than he did in 2016.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
February 11 2020 16:26 GMT
#42077
On February 12 2020 00:31 Logo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2020 23:54 Mohdoo wrote:
On February 11 2020 21:56 farvacola wrote:
CNN is running articles that are really pushing on the "this is the end of the importance of Iowa/NH" angle today, so prepare for a Sanders victory!

Also, Trump's budget is fucking awful and the Republican chair of the Senate Budget Committee won't even hold a hearing on it.

This is great news because it also means the media is sticking with Biden. The longer they don't understand why Biden has no future, the longer they'll wait to put their full force behind buttigieg. I see buttigieg as the only real threat to Bernie.


I think the real/biggest threat to Bernie is a brokered convention. Buttigieg has a ton of skeletons in his closet (like the recently detailed photo-op military service he did), Bloomberg is basically a republican who's said/done pretty damning things in the past, and Biden is well Biden. None of them feel capable of pulling together a big coalition, but all of them combined seem big enough to cause a brokered convention.

There's a pretty real possibility that Bernie wins every single primary & caucus and doesn't become the nominee.


I can't imagine a world where the DNC chooses anyone other than who has the most delegates. Despite everything I've said in the past, I would not vote in 2020 if the DNC "actually" robbed Bernie.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18284 Posts
February 11 2020 17:06 GMT
#42078
On February 12 2020 01:26 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2020 00:31 Logo wrote:
On February 11 2020 23:54 Mohdoo wrote:
On February 11 2020 21:56 farvacola wrote:
CNN is running articles that are really pushing on the "this is the end of the importance of Iowa/NH" angle today, so prepare for a Sanders victory!

Also, Trump's budget is fucking awful and the Republican chair of the Senate Budget Committee won't even hold a hearing on it.

This is great news because it also means the media is sticking with Biden. The longer they don't understand why Biden has no future, the longer they'll wait to put their full force behind buttigieg. I see buttigieg as the only real threat to Bernie.


I think the real/biggest threat to Bernie is a brokered convention. Buttigieg has a ton of skeletons in his closet (like the recently detailed photo-op military service he did), Bloomberg is basically a republican who's said/done pretty damning things in the past, and Biden is well Biden. None of them feel capable of pulling together a big coalition, but all of them combined seem big enough to cause a brokered convention.

There's a pretty real possibility that Bernie wins every single primary & caucus and doesn't become the nominee.


I can't imagine a world where the DNC chooses anyone other than who has the most delegates. Despite everything I've said in the past, I would not vote in 2020 if the DNC "actually" robbed Bernie.


Depends on the coalitions that form. If Bernie has 25% of the delegates, Buttigieg 20, Biden 16, Bloomberg 15, Warren 15 and Klobuchar 9, for instance, then there's a fairly clear neoliberal coalition, despite Bernie having the plurality. Why do you think Biden and Klobuchar wouldn't throw their support behind Buttigieg? And then even with Warren's support, Bloomberg and the DNC get to act as kingmaker. And I don't have much doubt who they'd choose.

A brokered convention is almost certainly bad for Bernie. He needs to win big enough to avoid it.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12451 Posts
February 11 2020 17:10 GMT
#42079
Hopes for tonight:

1) my "date" goes okay.
2) Bernie crushes this.
No will to live, no wish to die
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18857 Posts
February 11 2020 17:20 GMT
#42080
Just be careful about how you present that you’re feeling the Bern, lest your “date” get the wrong idea
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
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