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Zambrah
United States7198 Posts
On December 28 2019 17:53 Erasme wrote: I'm sure that if you needed a killer, your first choice wouldn't be the guy that kills civilians for fun Wouldnt that be exactly what you wanted out of a killer? | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States22991 Posts
On December 28 2019 18:55 Zambrah wrote: Wouldnt that be exactly what you wanted out of a killer? I wouldn't be surprised to hear that Trump and him were talking in Mar a lago about him taking a leadership role in some new "protective squadron" for Trump. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7198 Posts
On December 28 2019 20:17 GreenHorizons wrote: I wouldn't be surprised to hear that Trump and him were talking in Mar a lago about him taking a leadership role in some new "protective squadron" for Trump. Something something shoot someone on 5th avenue... I really wouldn't be shocked to see him get involved in some shady shitty way and wind up hurting or more likely killing someone. I'd hope someone would nip this in the bud, but I'm afraid we don't live in that timeline and that this murderous nut will go on to do other horrible things. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11406 Posts
On December 28 2019 18:55 Zambrah wrote: Wouldnt that be exactly what you wanted out of a killer? Not really, you would want someone that kills people for money. People who kill for fun might kill people you don't want killed, and are generally probably not stable enough to do exactly what you want them to. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States22991 Posts
On December 28 2019 21:51 Simberto wrote: Not really, you would want someone that kills people for money. People who kill for fun might kill people you don't want killed, and are generally probably not stable enough to do exactly what you want them to. I trust every death squad in history has been comprised of a variety of killers, those types included. | ||
KwarK
United States42263 Posts
On December 28 2019 18:55 Zambrah wrote: Wouldnt that be exactly what you wanted out of a killer? Killing children isn’t exactly max difficulty. He’s no Rambo. The court martial that started all this was him stabbing a bound captive, taking a photo of the body, and texting a buddy with the photo and a confession that he had stabbed him. While it’s clear the guy has no moral problems with killing children he still needs someone to tie them up for him first. Personally I think they should hire whoever ties the children up before he gets there, they’re the real hero. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On December 29 2019 00:29 KwarK wrote: Killing children isn’t exactly max difficulty. He’s no Rambo. The court martial that started all this was him stabbing a bound captive, taking a photo of the body, and texting a buddy with the photo and a confession that he had stabbed him. While it’s clear the guy has no moral problems with killing children he still needs someone to tie them up for him first. Personally I think they should hire whoever ties the children up before he gets there, they’re the real hero. He also shot children with a sniper rifle | ||
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Zambrah
United States7198 Posts
On December 29 2019 00:29 KwarK wrote: Killing children isn’t exactly max difficulty. He’s no Rambo. The court martial that started all this was him stabbing a bound captive, taking a photo of the body, and texting a buddy with the photo and a confession that he had stabbed him. While it’s clear the guy has no moral problems with killing children he still needs someone to tie them up for him first. Personally I think they should hire whoever ties the children up before he gets there, they’re the real hero. You think they'd hire a competent murderer? Hiring competents is definitely not this administrations MO. Not that they'd have a hard time finding competent scumbags, but it just doesn't seem to be their style when there are so many scumbags who arent good at anything that they can hire. | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
On December 29 2019 00:29 KwarK wrote: Killing children isn’t exactly max difficulty. He’s no Rambo. The court martial that started all this was him stabbing a bound captive, taking a photo of the body, and texting a buddy with the photo and a confession that he had stabbed him. While it’s clear the guy has no moral problems with killing children he still needs someone to tie them up for him first. Personally I think they should hire whoever ties the children up before he gets there, they’re the real hero. The posing with dead body is a punishable offense by itself. Especially with the surrounding circumstances. It's amazing how guilty 2 of the 3 men Trump "pardon'd", their cases were more about what level of punishment would be right not if they actually did what was claimed | ||
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KwarK
United States42263 Posts
On December 29 2019 02:08 semantics wrote: The posing with dead body is a punishable offense by itself. Especially with the surrounding circumstances. It's amazing how guilty 2 of the 3 men Trump "pardon'd", their cases were more about what level of punishment would be right not if they actually did what was claimed His defence on the stabbing of the tied up boy was also one of his squad mates, who had previously made sworn statements saying the guy killed him, changing the story to the squad mate mercy killing the boy after the accused stabbed him and I have no idea how he got found not guilty of murder based on that. The SEAL bragged about stabbing him to death, had a written confession, and sworn statements by witnesses. But the jury got confused about whether he stabbed them to death or whether he stabbed them to the point someone else mercy killed them and decided that probably no stabbing took place. Shit’s nuts. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States22991 Posts
On December 29 2019 03:39 KwarK wrote: His defence on the stabbing of the tied up boy was also one of his squad mates, who had previously made sworn statements saying the guy killed him, changing the story to the squad mate mercy killing the boy after the accused stabbed him and I have no idea how he got found not guilty of murder based on that. The SEAL bragged about stabbing him to death, had a written confession, and sworn statements by witnesses. But the jury got confused about whether he stabbed them to death or whether he stabbed them to the point someone else mercy killed them and decided that probably no stabbing took place. Shit’s nuts. Yeah, "saved his future" was a bit hyperbolic, he was going to find gainful employment for a mercenary group somewhere whether Trump stepped in or not, not rot in a cell or anything. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24443 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15476 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24443 Posts
On December 29 2019 04:00 Mohdoo wrote: I'm very curious: Do we have anyone here who reads or posts in this thread that supports this seal? It seems bizarre to me that Trump is propping him up so much. Do people agree with with the guy did? Presumably or Trump wouldn’t have interjected in the manner he did. There was a case over here about ‘Soldier F’ and Bloody Sunday with some parallels, although slightly different due to the civil war/national identity split. Go into any loyalist area in the province and you’ll see some variant of ‘support soldier F’ paraphernalia pretty quickly. Disturbing not because the case is some great miscarriage of justice but plenty think he did nothing wrong or it was excusable in the chaos, and others more with a grievance that proceedings can be brought against British state apparatus and not former IRA men. | ||
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Ryzel
United States521 Posts
On December 29 2019 04:00 Mohdoo wrote: I'm very curious: Do we have anyone here who reads or posts in this thread that supports this seal? It seems bizarre to me that Trump is propping him up so much. Do people agree with with the guy did? He killed innocent people in the Middle East in cold blood. Pretty sure the only ones that agree with what he did are those that want all Middle Easterners to die. So basically it’s just Trump pandering more to his base. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States22991 Posts
On December 29 2019 05:10 Ryzel wrote: He killed innocent people in the Middle East in cold blood. Pretty sure the only ones that agree with what he did are those that want all Middle Easterners to die. So basically it’s just Trump pandering more to his base. It's not as if the Obama administration innocent people body count is notably better. I mean the guy was cleared in the shooting of a little girl during it. The report revealed that the chief had been investigated before for shooting a little girl in Afghanistan, but had been cleared of wrongdoing, and later used the killing as a parable for teaching other SEALs, telling them that in war they needed to “accept the fact there would be civilian casualties.” www.nytimes.com | ||
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farvacola
United States18820 Posts
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KwarK
United States42263 Posts
On December 29 2019 05:20 GreenHorizons wrote: It's not as if the Obama administration innocent people body count is notably better. I mean the guy was cleared in the shooting of a little girl during it. www.nytimes.com You’re comparing institutional failures under Obama, for which he has indirect responsibility, with direct personal intervention by Trump. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States22991 Posts
On December 29 2019 07:56 KwarK wrote: You’re comparing institutional failures under Obama, for which he has indirect responsibility, with direct personal intervention by Trump. It's documented that at one point 9 out of 10 people killed by airstrikes authorized by Obama were innocent civilians. He's got plenty of personal responsibility too. He carried out more strikes in his first year than Bush did in his entire presidency. Also I don't think Trump pardoning him is much worse than the slap on the wrist because of institutional failures he was getting anyway. I could just as easily chalk Trump's actions up as a consequence of institutional failures making it a viable base appeal in the first place. | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On December 29 2019 08:11 GreenHorizons wrote: It's documented that at one point 9 out of 10 people killed by airstrikes authorized by Obama were innocent civilians. He's got plenty of personal responsibility too. He carried out more strikes in his first year than Bush did in his entire presidency. Also I don't think Trump pardoning him is much worse than the slap on the wrist because of institutional failures he was getting anyway. I could just as easily chalk Trump's actions up as a consequence of institutional failures making it a viable base appeal in the first place. Didn't the institution in question find this 'man' guilty, and then Trump stepped in to pardon him? Seems you're having to stretch a bit on this one. | ||
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