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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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JimmiC
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Fildun
Netherlands4124 Posts
It also appears that the Pentagon was completely blindsided by this decision, which makes it even stranger. At the same time, Turkey was already moving a lot of artillery to the border so Turkey pressuring the US on this should not have been a surprise. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22551 Posts
It was just as sudden and unexpected last time I recall, including the Pentagon not knowing about it before Trump tweeted. This is how Trump works, decisions made on a whim without consulting experts. And its just as much of a disaster as you would expect. | ||
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farvacola
United States18866 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On October 07 2019 23:30 JimmiC wrote: I thought this was a very interesting article and if you want more of the interview the entirety is also available by podcast. But Allan Lichtman who has accurately predicted presidential elections since 1984, and got Trump right last time had predicted that if the Dems didn't impeach him he would win again. But now he believes that if they do Trump will lose. He also got a congratulatory not from Trump after the last election! I thought his methodology is very interesting because they reject all conventional wisdom about presidential elections. He doesn't look at polls, doesn't listen to the pundits, doesn't follow day-to-day events, doesn't consider fundraising, ads, speeches and debates. He says all conventional wisdom when it comes to these types of things are wrong. https://www.cbc.ca/radio/day6/trump-s-odds-for-re-election-house-hippos-are-back-empire-strikes-door-bahamas-tourism-after-dorian-more-1.5306553/presidential-historian-says-impeachment-would-kill-trump-s-chances-for-a-second-term-1.5306564 Alan Lichtman is a hack (or at least someone who is disingenuous to self-promote). He predicted Gore would win in 2000, and when Bush won he said he was just predicting the popular winner. Then he predicted Trump would win in 2016 and he lost the popular vote. Either he was wrong in 2000 or 2016, yet he still loves giving these interviews and lets them claim he has gotten them correct. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27315 Posts
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On October 08 2019 01:36 Wombat_NI wrote: I don’t even understand how this plan even benefits Trump? The cynical part of me thinks this was literally putin telling him to jump and trump asking how high. The other possibility is he is doing it to distract from the whole impeachment thing, or possibly the last person to have trumps ear convinced him it would be a brilliant move. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22551 Posts
On October 08 2019 01:36 Wombat_NI wrote: He gets to say he brought US soldiers home and for once he will be right, ofcourse you have to ignore the consequences for the region and the betrayal of your allies but hey, Trump never was one to think long term.I don’t even understand how this plan even benefits Trump? That or Putin asked him. Same reasons as the last time he said the US would leave Syria. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27315 Posts
I mean if my metaphorical partner is snooping around and thinks I’m cheating, perhaps I don’t visit my mistress until the heat dies down so to speak? | ||
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farvacola
United States18866 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27315 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22551 Posts
On October 08 2019 01:48 Wombat_NI wrote: SmartI mean yes but surely with certain controversies around such alleged ties with certain formerly Communist countries, would hypothetically doing their bidding be a smart idea here? I mean if my metaphorical partner is snooping around and thinks I’m cheating, perhaps I don’t visit my mistress until the heat dies down so to speak? Trump Pick one. | ||
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
On October 08 2019 01:41 Gorsameth wrote: He gets to say he brought US soldiers home and for once he will be right, ofcourse you have to ignore the consequences for the region and the betrayal of your allies but hey, Trump never was one to think long term. That or Putin asked him. Same reasons as the last time he said the US would leave Syria. Yeah, the solution for the kurdish allies would be for US troops to stick around until some degree of autonomy is negotiated with Turkey and Syria. This carries a risk of the conflict escalating, especially with Turkey on the move, and Trump obviously wants none of that with elections coming up. | ||
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MWY
Germany284 Posts
[B]On October 08 2019 01:57 Sbrubbles wrote:[/B Yeah, the solution for the kurdish allies would be for US troops to stick around until some degree of autonomy is negotiated with Turkey and Syria. This carries a risk of the conflict escalating, especially with Turkey on the move, and Trump obviously wants none of that with elections coming up. I'm not sure there will be much kurdish autonomy with the turks at the table ever. So if syria and turkey just decide to split up the territories and supress the kurds, do you still leave than as the US? or how would you prevent such an agreement? I'm not really sure what a longterm non-escalating viable strategy would be, especially since basically the rest of the world already accepted that the kurds are screwed. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18425 Posts
The problem isn't Trump withdrawing troops: there doesn't seem to be much choice now. The problem is Trump not giving a shit over all the signs Turkey wanted to go to war. But the EU has equally dirty hands. Turkey has maneuvered themselves into a position where they are key allies, and fully exploit that position. They can basically do whatever the fuck they want in the Middle East as long as they keep the refugee crisis under control and let the US have Incirlik airbase. Erdogan has transitioned from a relatively peaceful democracy to a warmongering dictatorship, and the entire West has sat by and said "yeah, you're a dick, but you're *our* dick". It's disgusting, but it's hard to see a way out of this mess. And as long as we keep playing realpolitik, the Kurds are unfortunately irrelevant. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27315 Posts
On October 08 2019 02:41 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: Could this be kushner's plan for peace in the middle east? I think we need to look at all the angles here folks. We’re through the looking glass here people... | ||
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