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On July 21 2019 07:59 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2019 07:56 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On July 21 2019 07:55 GreenHorizons wrote:If you remove the word socialism, which softens his stance to all of that agree with that, you realize he is actually closer to super villain than savior.
Start bloody revolution, kill everyone who disagrees, utopia follows.
How is that plan different than Stallin or the many Right wing dictators. The only difference is his scapegoats are not the jews (at least I don't think so) they are the "capitalists" and basically there is no problem that isn't their fault and killing them all will solve everything. I can't engage with this poster directly, but holy crap this is ridiculous. + Show Spoiler +*he said while menacingly stroking his cat and laughing maniacally* Then how about answering Gorsameth or my questions? Are you not engaging with anyone who challenges you? Cosmic is challenging me and I'm engaging fine with him, Neb and Drone as well (to a lesser degree). Kwark and Igne too (IgnE might object to this).
I'll give you Cosmic and Neb to a certain degree. Drone...possibly. But the other two? I think a lot of what they're saying is flying over your head. But I could be wrong. Just my interpretation.
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On July 21 2019 08:04 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2019 07:59 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 21 2019 07:56 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On July 21 2019 07:55 GreenHorizons wrote:If you remove the word socialism, which softens his stance to all of that agree with that, you realize he is actually closer to super villain than savior.
Start bloody revolution, kill everyone who disagrees, utopia follows.
How is that plan different than Stallin or the many Right wing dictators. The only difference is his scapegoats are not the jews (at least I don't think so) they are the "capitalists" and basically there is no problem that isn't their fault and killing them all will solve everything. I can't engage with this poster directly, but holy crap this is ridiculous. + Show Spoiler +*he said while menacingly stroking his cat and laughing maniacally* Then how about answering Gorsameth or my questions? Are you not engaging with anyone who challenges you? Cosmic is challenging me and I'm engaging fine with him, Neb and Drone as well (to a lesser degree). Kwark and Igne too (IgnE might object to this). I'll give you Cosmic and Neb to a certain degree. Drone...possibly. But the other two? I think a lot of what they're saying is flying over your head. But I could be wrong. Just my interpretation.
With all due respect, it's abundantly clear to all of those people that what we're discussing is "flying over [the] head[s]" of posters like yourself imo/from my experience.
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On July 21 2019 08:06 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2019 08:04 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On July 21 2019 07:59 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 21 2019 07:56 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On July 21 2019 07:55 GreenHorizons wrote:If you remove the word socialism, which softens his stance to all of that agree with that, you realize he is actually closer to super villain than savior.
Start bloody revolution, kill everyone who disagrees, utopia follows.
How is that plan different than Stallin or the many Right wing dictators. The only difference is his scapegoats are not the jews (at least I don't think so) they are the "capitalists" and basically there is no problem that isn't their fault and killing them all will solve everything. I can't engage with this poster directly, but holy crap this is ridiculous. + Show Spoiler +*he said while menacingly stroking his cat and laughing maniacally* Then how about answering Gorsameth or my questions? Are you not engaging with anyone who challenges you? Cosmic is challenging me and I'm engaging fine with him, Neb and Drone as well (to a lesser degree). Kwark and Igne too (IgnE might object to this). I'll give you Cosmic and Neb to a certain degree. Drone...possibly. But the other two? I think a lot of what they're saying is flying over your head. But I could be wrong. Just my interpretation. With all due respect, it's abundantly clear to all of those people that what we're discussing is "flying over [the] head[s]" of posters like yourself imo/from my experience.
The thing is, it isn't. KwarK is actively mocking you and IgnE is belittling you so smooth, you don't recognize it. I'd say 90% of the people who engage with you understand what you are feebly attempting and just want to see how far we can get you to trip over your own words. Gorsameth challenged you and you pouted. I challenged, answered, and patiently waited for your response, and you balked. JimmiC does the same, and you know what? You balk. You want everyone to play with your ball because it's shiny and new and it's the bestest ball out there. But the ball we're playing with is fine as is, even if it has a lump in it.
Until you give me (and others), that 5 point plan (doesn't need to be detailed) about your revolution, I will continue to challenge you to produce or go play with your ball somewhere else. I'll start it for you.
5 Point Plan To a Successful Revolution by Z2C
1. Immediate re-education of the society and climate that we live in, exposing children from middle school onward about the dangers of xenophobia, unchecked climate change and capitalism, as well as basic understanding of politics.
2. Term limits of congressmen/women who are there to serve the will of the collective people, and not just the wealthy donors who pay them. Those who abdicate responsibility or fail to actualize the will of the people, are removed immediately and replaced.
3. Healthcare for all, at a rate that is conducive to their lifestyle. If you're at or below the poverty line, you're covered. Anyone above, married or single, you can choose government backed healthcare or private.
4. Foreign relations must be upheld and maintained in accordance with the sovereignty of the nation we are dealing with. No unilateral punitive measures are to be taken without at least a majority vote of the G7.
5. Education must be continuously improved and enhanced to face the challenges of the world, while also looking to the future of what humanity needs. STEaM and trades get equal coverage and pay must be at or above "middle class" status.
Care to rebut?
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The comparison of GH to Stalin might be stretching it just a little. GH probably isn’t as evil as Stalin.
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On July 21 2019 08:37 KwarK wrote:
The comparison of GH to Stalin might be stretching it just a little. GH probably isn’t as evil as Stalin.
Nah I think it is pretty apt. He's offering a revolution without any forethought to the hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of lives that will be lost because "capitalism is da debil."
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I disagree that I mock GH. I like to think GH and I have reached an understanding where he can hear my tone and read between the lines in my posts. Our prior interactions have given me confidence in that regard. GH is probably my favourite poster that I strongly disagree with here, in no small part because I can lean so strongly into using my voice in text with him.
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On July 21 2019 08:37 KwarK wrote:
The comparison of GH to Stalin might be stretching it just a little. GH probably isn’t as evil as Stalin.
lol, just a little. But hey, they still think I have given this no forethought, and apparently neither did Stalin, sooo....
On July 21 2019 08:41 KwarK wrote:
I disagree that I mock GH. I like to think GH and I have reached an understanding where he can hear my tone and read between the lines in my posts. Our prior interactions have given me confidence in that regard. GH is probably my favourite poster that I strongly disagree with here, in no small part because I can lean so strongly into using my voice in text with him.
yup, and the same. I jest with Kwark because I know he can take it and gives it just as well.
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On July 21 2019 08:38 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2019 08:37 KwarK wrote:
The comparison of GH to Stalin might be stretching it just a little. GH probably isn’t as evil as Stalin. Nah I think it is pretty apt. He's offering a revolution without any forethought to the hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of lives that will be lost because "capitalism is da debil."
By GH’s age Stalin was an accomplished bank robber and revolutionary, possibly also working for the secret police on the side. I doubt GH has robbed more than a handful of banks or turned in any of his comrades. Stalin didn’t offer revolutions, he waited for a someone else to do one and then hoped they died before pushing out the natural heirs. The comparison isn’t apt.
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On July 21 2019 08:44 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2019 08:38 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On July 21 2019 08:37 KwarK wrote:
The comparison of GH to Stalin might be stretching it just a little. GH probably isn’t as evil as Stalin. Nah I think it is pretty apt. He's offering a revolution without any forethought to the hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of lives that will be lost because "capitalism is da debil." By GH’s age Stalin was an accomplished bank robber and revolutionary, possibly also working for the secret police on the side. I doubt GH has robbed more than a handful of banks or turned in any of his comrades. Stalin didn’t offer revolutions, he waited for a someone else to do one and then hoped they died before pushing out the natural heirs. The comparison isn’t apt.
So...GH trying to get the entire board to iron out his revolution and see it through, while not participating in it directly, but with the express interest in...capitalizing on it...isn't the same?
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On July 21 2019 08:44 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2019 08:38 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On July 21 2019 08:37 KwarK wrote:
The comparison of GH to Stalin might be stretching it just a little. GH probably isn’t as evil as Stalin. Nah I think it is pretty apt. He's offering a revolution without any forethought to the hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of lives that will be lost because "capitalism is da debil." By GH’s age Stalin was an accomplished bank robber and revolutionary, possibly also working for the secret police on the side. I doubt GH has robbed more than a handful of banks or turned in any of his comrades. Stalin didn’t offer revolutions, he waited for a someone else to do one and then hoped they died before pushing out the natural heirs. The comparison isn’t apt.
I've read some Carlos Marighella and he makes some convincing arguments. We are out here risking gettin shot for grabbing ID's we're told to grab (or on the phone in our own yards) and choked to death on camera for allegedly selling loosies on the corner. I admit though, I'm not as bold in the banks as I am online.
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On July 21 2019 09:01 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2019 08:37 KwarK wrote:
The comparison of GH to Stalin might be stretching it just a little. GH probably isn’t as evil as Stalin. Both are willing to kill millions for their goals, GH maybe billions. Both have a strong distaste for anyone who disagrees punishable by death. Both have a strong opinion om democracy, you can vote but only for their solution. The comparison stops that stalin was doer not a talker and Stalin had 5 year plans not no plan. Stallin also realized that he needed a bunch of power on his side to make it happen.
Do you not thing you are perhaps getting a little bit carried away with the future crimes of GH here? I mean billions? Really? The logistics alone would be a significant hurdle.
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"I wish there were a trillion humans so that I could kill them all."
- GH
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On July 21 2019 09:09 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2019 09:01 JimmiC wrote:On July 21 2019 08:37 KwarK wrote:
The comparison of GH to Stalin might be stretching it just a little. GH probably isn’t as evil as Stalin. Both are willing to kill millions for their goals, GH maybe billions. Both have a strong distaste for anyone who disagrees punishable by death. Both have a strong opinion om democracy, you can vote but only for their solution. The comparison stops that stalin was doer not a talker and Stalin had 5 year plans not no plan. Stallin also realized that he needed a bunch of power on his side to make it happen. Do you not thing you are perhaps getting a little bit carried away with the future crimes of GH here? I mean billions? Really? The logistics alone would be a significant hurdle.
A few nukes and climate change would take care of most of that...
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On July 21 2019 09:09 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2019 09:01 JimmiC wrote:On July 21 2019 08:37 KwarK wrote:
The comparison of GH to Stalin might be stretching it just a little. GH probably isn’t as evil as Stalin. Both are willing to kill millions for their goals, GH maybe billions. Both have a strong distaste for anyone who disagrees punishable by death. Both have a strong opinion om democracy, you can vote but only for their solution. The comparison stops that stalin was doer not a talker and Stalin had 5 year plans not no plan. Stallin also realized that he needed a bunch of power on his side to make it happen. Do you not thing you are perhaps getting a little bit carried away with the future crimes of GH here? I mean billions? Really? The logistics alone would be a significant hurdle.
I like to think the camps I'd keep would at least be productive, doesn't make much sense to cage people and not put them to work. That Trump doesn't have chain gangs of migrant children stacking rocks for his wall feels like yet another failure on his part. + Show Spoiler +
On July 21 2019 09:11 Nebuchad wrote:
"I wish there were a trillion humans so that I could kill them all."
- GH
Finally someone's been able to crystallize my position so eloquently.
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On July 21 2019 09:11 Nebuchad wrote:
"I wish there were a trillion humans so that I could kill them all."
- GH
In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only GH.
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On July 21 2019 09:19 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2019 09:11 Nebuchad wrote:
"I wish there were a trillion humans so that I could kill them all."
- GH In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only GH.
"it was very good! And evening passed and morning came, marking the sixth day." — my documentarians (me)
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Joking aside do y’all really not read GH as someone far more interested in fairness than pragmatism? That’s my read on him. He’s Boxer on Animal Farm, not Napoleon. He’s not going to be robosigning death warrants, he’s going to be agonizing over them. The lack of pragmatism that makes him refuse to accept incremental change is the lack of pragmatism that’ll stop any revolution led by him from getting off the ground.
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On July 21 2019 09:27 KwarK wrote:
Joking aside do y’all really not read GH as someone far more interested in fairness than pragmatism? That’s my read on him. He’s Boxer on Animal Farm, not Napoleon. He’s not going to be robosigning death warrants, he’s going to be agonizing over them. The lack of pragmatism that makes him refuse to accept incremental change is the lack of pragmatism that’ll stop any revolution led by him from getting off the ground.
Should I take it that you're his Sarah Sanders? Because he can speak for himself and when he does, he gives off the understanding that he will commit whatever atrocities must be committed, to reach his goal.
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