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On December 10 2011 04:17 Erasme wrote:
I don't get it ... They have a retrial because they were on drugs ? for FOUR DAYS ? They sicken me.
The judge presiding over the trial was on drugs- not them.
On December 1st, 2011, new trials were granted to the defendants due to drug abuse by the presiding Judge. http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/newsom.aspIn December 2011, the convictions of Lemaricus Davidson, Letalvis Cobbins, George Thomas, and Vanessa Coleman were overturned by a special judge who ruled that the presiding judge at their trials, Richard Baumgartner, was intoxicated at the time. The four defendants will be facing new trials.
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Should we petition the whitehouse to bring back the brazen bull for just this one trial as a possible sentence?
...Pretty please?
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On December 10 2011 04:15 Nos- wrote:Well.. I woke up from an 8 hour sleep in god knows how long, and this hits me in the face  . Shouldn't have read it... this is downright disgusting and inhuman.
Sadly, i'd say this is also part of being human, as i don't know of any kind of animal that would do such a thing...but the concept of justice is also a human thing, and the only "justice" i'd approve here is a shotgun directly at their face.
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On December 10 2011 04:16 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
It's one thing for some crazy jackasses to just murder some random person. But all that other stuff they did as well? What the hell is wrong with them. The fact that there's a retrial, (or rather, the fact that on day 1 of the first trial, the verdict was anything but immediate execution), is just disgusting. Consciously and deliberately doing something like that is practically inhuman. The only resolution is execution. I don't care if people are going to flame me for having said that, but this is one of the most fucked up things I've heard about, and it's not like it's made-up or exaggerated at that. wtf
It's only natural to feel thirst for revenge, why should anyone flame you for it? Revenge has no place in the justice system, however.
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UGH.. I live in Knoxville and go to UT and this has been such a nightmare for this family. Now they have to relive it over again. I watched most of the trials as they happened. I don't know how this isn't national/international news about the retrial. Not that I particularly want it to be though. Both the Christian and Newsom families do not deserve to have to relive hell like this. Such a travesty.
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why no pics of vics?
User was temp banned for this post.
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On December 10 2011 04:19 Maenander wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 04:16 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
It's one thing for some crazy jackasses to just murder some random person. But all that other stuff they did as well? What the hell is wrong with them. The fact that there's a retrial, (or rather, the fact that on day 1 of the first trial, the verdict was anything but immediate execution), is just disgusting. Consciously and deliberately doing something like that is practically inhuman. The only resolution is execution. I don't care if people are going to flame me for having said that, but this is one of the most fucked up things I've heard about, and it's not like it's made-up or exaggerated at that. wtf It's only natural to feel thirst for revenge, why should anyone flame you for it? Revenge has no place in the justice system, however.
It's true. But what they did is unforgivable. I don't even think it's so much about revenge. Justice would be these people (I say people but they've lost the right to even be CALLED people, ne?) experiencing the same pain that they inflicted on that poor couple - although you may call me hypocritical; as much as I say this I would never have the stomach to brutalize someone like that unless I saw the crime happening in front of me...aie, I hope something like that never happens...
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I can somehow understand the judge who preferred to be intoxicated =/
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I was always fundamentally against death penalty and I never thought that I anything could justify corporal punishment in my opinion, but this really makes me rethink my position.
Even with racial disadvantages you can't excuse behaviour like this.
"Well, they've been discriminated all their life, so the victims had it coming to them" just is no kind of valid argument...
Not having equal job opportunities and gangraping and torturing a young couple for days just isn't comparable.
Call me naive, but I'm really sad and disappointed that such evil even exists.
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On December 10 2011 04:24 Zinnwaldite wrote:
why no pics of vics?
WHY DO YOU WANT THEM?!?
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If they are indeed found to be guilty then they should be put to death.
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Pretty crazy stuff, my town went pretty crazy when all this happened. Knoxville is pretty chill but this pissed a lot of people off. The fucked up thing is that I remember one of the defendants taunting the father of the murdered girl. I'm just happy I'm not the judge presiding over this, it would be sam jackson's speech from pulp fiction before the sentence of death.
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On December 10 2011 04:19 Maenander wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 04:16 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
It's one thing for some crazy jackasses to just murder some random person. But all that other stuff they did as well? What the hell is wrong with them. The fact that there's a retrial, (or rather, the fact that on day 1 of the first trial, the verdict was anything but immediate execution), is just disgusting. Consciously and deliberately doing something like that is practically inhuman. The only resolution is execution. I don't care if people are going to flame me for having said that, but this is one of the most fucked up things I've heard about, and it's not like it's made-up or exaggerated at that. wtf It's only natural to feel thirst for revenge, why should anyone flame you for it? Revenge has no place in the justice system, however.
Hmm, revenge is one thing. Removing cancer from the face of the earth is another. Even if these people have contributed/could contribute to society somehow, what they have already done says to me that it's not worth it to give them that chance. Imagine if one of them doesn't get the death sentence or life in jail and does this again. I can't even express in words how severe of a failure our justice system would be if that happened.
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On December 10 2011 04:27 logikly wrote:
If they are indeed found to be guilty then they should be put to death.
If you watched the trials, they were an ABSOLUTE SLAM DUNK. Absolutely no doubt about it. Very, very guilty. No "got the wrong guys" in this case.
They will all get the same sentencing as in the first trials, I'm very sure of it. Very sure. It's just the families has to go through this fucking trial again. The girl's dad sat in the courtroom staring at the fucksticks each time and rocks back and forth, never taking his eyes off of them. It's disturbing and painful to watch.
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On December 10 2011 04:25 OmiDeLta wrote:WHY DO YOU WANT THEM?!?
my day isn't quite ruined yet..
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"There is nothing inhumane or animalistic about the death penalty. The concept of holding one responsible and delivering punishment for an act that is not in the immediacy of its occurrence is intrinsically human for its hindsight and attention to the past and its influence on the future. However, this does not make it right or good but simply, and most assuredly, human."- anonymous
That being said, I support the death penalty. Particularly in this case. However the racial connotations that people are trying to apply make me equally upset. A crime is a crime. Saying you did it because you don't like a certain race and then taking that into account outside of "intent" and categorizing it as it's own variety of crime seems to me a distortion of justice.
If someone commits a heinous act such as this against another human being then you've already settled the matter of intent and that's as far as I need to know. Hate crimes and the whole idea of them, in my opinion, undermine the full gravity of crimes by differentiating between when a white guy shoots a white guy, and when a KKK member shoots a black guy. In the end both acts are equally despicable for the same reasons: Someone was murdered. THAT should be all that's important.
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I try thinking about this, and despite how wrong it may seem, revenge is the only thing that comes to mind. If I was the father, I simply can't see myself NOT taking the matter into my own hands
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On December 10 2011 04:24 kafkaesque wrote:
I was always fundamentally against death penalty and I never thought that I anything could justify corporal punishment in my opinion, but this really makes me rethink my position.
Even with racial disadvantages you can't excuse behaviour like this.
"Well, they've been discriminated all their life, so the victims had it coming to them" just is no kind of valid argument...
Not having equal job opportunities and gangraping and torturing a young couple for days just isn't comparable.
Call me naive, but I'm really sad and disappointed that such evil even exists.
Why should we give up otherwise valid principles just because there are a few exceptions? I refuse to lose some of my humanity because of these people.
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On December 10 2011 04:24 OmiDeLta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 04:19 Maenander wrote:On December 10 2011 04:16 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
It's one thing for some crazy jackasses to just murder some random person. But all that other stuff they did as well? What the hell is wrong with them. The fact that there's a retrial, (or rather, the fact that on day 1 of the first trial, the verdict was anything but immediate execution), is just disgusting. Consciously and deliberately doing something like that is practically inhuman. The only resolution is execution. I don't care if people are going to flame me for having said that, but this is one of the most fucked up things I've heard about, and it's not like it's made-up or exaggerated at that. wtf It's only natural to feel thirst for revenge, why should anyone flame you for it? Revenge has no place in the justice system, however. It's true. But what they did is unforgivable. I don't even think it's so much about revenge. Justice would be these people (I say people but they've lost the right to even be CALLED people, ne?) experiencing the same pain that they inflicted on that poor couple - although you may call me hypocritical; as much as I say this I would never have the stomach to brutalize someone like that unless I saw the crime happening in front of me...aie, I hope something like that never happens...
Justice is that they experience the same pain? That type of "an eye for an eye"-justice worked in the dark ages, its hardly something that can be applied in any civilized society. If we did the same to them, how are we any better?
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Fenrax
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Re-Trial might be a good thing. I hope they all get executed now. Maybe they can find something for the guy who would get out after only 18 years. No one who does that kind of thing has any right to keep on living.
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