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Keep the discussion ON TOPIC. This thread is for discussing the terror attacks in Paris.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-13 23:22:05
November 13 2015 23:21 GMT
#261
Apparently, police are urging people to stop sharing information via social media because the shooters likely have access to it. Specifically photos of the scene and police.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 13 2015 23:22 GMT
#262
On November 14 2015 08:16 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2015 08:12 oBlade wrote:
I'm guessing we're not going to get hostage updates until the situation ends because part of the police response is hopefully to disallow journalists from interfering with events in-progress. Like the siege a few months ago.

They can banish the CNN reporters out of the country. They just interviewed someone who said: "They didn't say nothing, they just started shooting." Reporter follows up with "They speak French, or maybe Arabic?"

Just get the vultures out of there.


Figures, American reporting at its finest (and yes I've lived in the US before).
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44213 Posts
November 13 2015 23:22 GMT
#263
On November 14 2015 08:19 Rocket-Bear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2015 08:16 KwarK wrote:
On November 14 2015 08:11 ahswtini wrote:
On November 14 2015 08:09 KwarK wrote:
On November 14 2015 08:07 ahswtini wrote:
On November 14 2015 08:06 KwarK wrote:
On November 14 2015 08:04 ahswtini wrote:
On November 14 2015 08:03 KwarK wrote:
On November 14 2015 08:00 DeepElemBlues wrote:
On November 14 2015 07:57 KwarK wrote:
[quote]
The ISIS guys are the ones still in Syria. The refugees are the ones the ISIS guys chased out of Syria with all that murdering and drowning. If you were super into ISIS and the Islamic Caliphate and all that you wouldn't leave Syria, Syria would be a paradise to you.


Twice in the last few months suspected ISIS members have been arrested trying to enter Europe posing as refugees.

I'm not sure what your point is. There are an awful lot of refugees, it's a huge humanitarian crisis, two incidents doesn't disqualify them from needing help. And surely if we can help the refugees while arresting ISIS members that's a good thing.

If you've got any suggestions for solving the refugee crisis while also solving the ISIS problem I will happily hear them though.

how about looking after our own first? shit sucks, u cant help everyone in the world, but ultimately france should put the safety of its own people first

You a Loyalist by any chance?

i'm a realist

Do you remember that time the English decided the IRA were too much effort and left the Nirish on their own? I don't. I recall terrorism being accepted as the price of a necessary fight to protect the rights of the people.

how is this relevant? northern ireland = part of the uk. the people of northern ireland are british. of course the british government can't abandon them. how is this related to european countries being obliged to help refugees at the expense of their own security?


We're all people. The difference between English and Nirish is not so much less than between French and Syrian.

Are you actually serious?

There are bigger core value differences. And you know the part that Syria is a muslim country

And for being a "religion of peace" they sure tend to end up in a lot of wars

I didn't mean in terms of core values or culture although it is interesting to note that a large number of people in Northern Ireland were passionately anti English to the point of bombings and so forth and were also very passionately of a different religion to the English majority.

But I was more talking in terms of "people are people everywhere". Christians seem to get into a fair few wars too. Do we have an atheist control group to check if it's not just a thing that people do?
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Reaps
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom1280 Posts
November 13 2015 23:22 GMT
#264
On November 14 2015 08:18 ahswtini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2015 08:16 KwarK wrote:
On November 14 2015 08:11 ahswtini wrote:
On November 14 2015 08:09 KwarK wrote:
On November 14 2015 08:07 ahswtini wrote:
On November 14 2015 08:06 KwarK wrote:
On November 14 2015 08:04 ahswtini wrote:
On November 14 2015 08:03 KwarK wrote:
On November 14 2015 08:00 DeepElemBlues wrote:
On November 14 2015 07:57 KwarK wrote:
[quote]
The ISIS guys are the ones still in Syria. The refugees are the ones the ISIS guys chased out of Syria with all that murdering and drowning. If you were super into ISIS and the Islamic Caliphate and all that you wouldn't leave Syria, Syria would be a paradise to you.


Twice in the last few months suspected ISIS members have been arrested trying to enter Europe posing as refugees.

I'm not sure what your point is. There are an awful lot of refugees, it's a huge humanitarian crisis, two incidents doesn't disqualify them from needing help. And surely if we can help the refugees while arresting ISIS members that's a good thing.

If you've got any suggestions for solving the refugee crisis while also solving the ISIS problem I will happily hear them though.

how about looking after our own first? shit sucks, u cant help everyone in the world, but ultimately france should put the safety of its own people first

You a Loyalist by any chance?

i'm a realist

Do you remember that time the English decided the IRA were too much effort and left the Nirish on their own? I don't. I recall terrorism being accepted as the price of a necessary fight to protect the rights of the people.

how is this relevant? northern ireland = part of the uk. the people of northern ireland are british. of course the british government can't abandon them. how is this related to european countries being obliged to help refugees at the expense of their own security?


Is the difference between English and Nirish so much greater than that between French and Syrian?

yeah im done, i can't respect what ur saying at all. watever it is ur smoking, i think the parisians could do with some of it right now



Got to agree, everytime I see Kwark post anything its like he's high 24/7. Surely he cant believe half of what he writes here.
Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
November 13 2015 23:22 GMT
#265
On November 14 2015 08:21 Sent. wrote:
On a second thought, if I was at that big stadium I wouldn't want to leave because thats the only place surrounded by policemen I would know of

I would be terrified there's some loony in the stadium itself with a bomb or something. Regardless of practical risk, I wouldn't feel safe at all.
Maluk
Profile Joined August 2011
France987 Posts
November 13 2015 23:22 GMT
#266
On November 14 2015 08:16 KwarK wrote:
Is the difference between English and Nirish so much greater than that between French and Syrian?.

What.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
November 13 2015 23:23 GMT
#267
On November 14 2015 08:21 Djzapz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2015 08:20 Erasme wrote:
On November 14 2015 08:04 Erasme wrote:
Wow, i'm so glad Merkel decided to welcome all refugees in Germany, then when she realized she couldn't, she basically forced the rest of the EU to welcome them.
I'm also so glad we should, as the EU, follow the economic german model. You know, the one with no minimal wages and legal slaves. Oh, and their states totally work, especially when it doesn't, but we should follow it ahahha
lets all be dumbs ahaha

im sorry guys ahah i clearly overreacted see i fixed it teehee

Do you think this is a reasonable reaction to tens of deaths?

I already sent messages to my friends who heard gunshots right down their houses thanks internet warrior clueless of economy and politics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 13 2015 23:23 GMT
#268
On November 14 2015 08:22 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2015 08:16 Plansix wrote:
On November 14 2015 08:12 oBlade wrote:
I'm guessing we're not going to get hostage updates until the situation ends because part of the police response is hopefully to disallow journalists from interfering with events in-progress. Like the siege a few months ago.

They can banish the CNN reporters out of the country. They just interviewed someone who said: "They didn't say nothing, they just started shooting." Reporter follows up with "They speak French, or maybe Arabic?"

Just get the vultures out of there.


Figures, American reporting at its finest (and yes I've lived in the US before).

CNN could burn down over night it would be a net gain for our nation.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6343 Posts
November 13 2015 23:23 GMT
#269
On November 14 2015 08:21 Plansix wrote:
Apparently, police are urging people to stop sharing information via social media because the shooters likely have access to it. Specifically photos of the scene and police.

I highly doubt the shooters are sitting around on their mobiles checking whats new on twitter
Pre-emptive retaliatory de-escalation action
rezoacken
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2719 Posts
November 13 2015 23:23 GMT
#270
On November 14 2015 08:21 SpiZe wrote:
Any up to date french stream I can watch ?

http://www.france24.com/fr/
Either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18723 Posts
November 13 2015 23:23 GMT
#271
Just ignore Kwark, it's the best thing you can do.
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-13 23:25:02
November 13 2015 23:23 GMT
#272
Not sure if it was said, Sky News reports that two of the three bombings were suicide attacks.

..

nternet warrior clueless of economy and politics


Coming from someone who states that germany doesn't have a minimum wage.. That's quite ironic.
On track to MA1950A.
TRAP[yoo]
Profile Joined December 2009
Hungary6026 Posts
November 13 2015 23:24 GMT
#273
On November 14 2015 08:20 Erasme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2015 08:04 Erasme wrote:
Wow, i'm so glad Merkel decided to welcome all refugees in Germany, then when she realized she couldn't, she basically forced the rest of the EU to welcome them.
I'm also so glad we should, as the EU, follow the economic german model. You know, the one with no minimal wages and legal slaves. Oh, and their states totally work, especially when it doesn't, but we should follow it ahahha
lets all be dumbs ahaha

im sorry guys ahah i clearly overreacted see i fixed it teehee

what the fuck is wrong with you...
germany has minimal wages just FYI
FTD
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44213 Posts
November 13 2015 23:24 GMT
#274
On November 14 2015 08:20 ahswtini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2015 08:19 KwarK wrote:
On November 14 2015 08:18 ahswtini wrote:
On November 14 2015 08:16 KwarK wrote:
On November 14 2015 08:11 ahswtini wrote:
On November 14 2015 08:09 KwarK wrote:
On November 14 2015 08:07 ahswtini wrote:
On November 14 2015 08:06 KwarK wrote:
On November 14 2015 08:04 ahswtini wrote:
On November 14 2015 08:03 KwarK wrote:
[quote]
I'm not sure what your point is. There are an awful lot of refugees, it's a huge humanitarian crisis, two incidents doesn't disqualify them from needing help. And surely if we can help the refugees while arresting ISIS members that's a good thing.

If you've got any suggestions for solving the refugee crisis while also solving the ISIS problem I will happily hear them though.

how about looking after our own first? shit sucks, u cant help everyone in the world, but ultimately france should put the safety of its own people first

You a Loyalist by any chance?

i'm a realist

Do you remember that time the English decided the IRA were too much effort and left the Nirish on their own? I don't. I recall terrorism being accepted as the price of a necessary fight to protect the rights of the people.

how is this relevant? northern ireland = part of the uk. the people of northern ireland are british. of course the british government can't abandon them. how is this related to european countries being obliged to help refugees at the expense of their own security?


Is the difference between English and Nirish so much greater than that between French and Syrian?

yeah im done, i can't respect what ur saying at all

I feel no more kinship with the Nirish as I do with any other human and I understand less of what they're saying. The obligation to help other human beings and to stand up to terrorism has nothing to do with national borders and everything to do with our common humanity.

theres a lot more we could be doing in the name of common humanity but we dont. why? it's not practicable.

Better do less then. If we can't do literally the most we can do in the name of common humanity then why do anything at all. Particularly if terrorists are threatening. It's probably better to give in to them.

Are you serious?

Terrorists being cunts is the price of having principles. Deciding that the solution is to just not have any principles is the wrong way to go.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9330 Posts
November 13 2015 23:24 GMT
#275
On November 14 2015 08:23 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2015 08:21 Plansix wrote:
Apparently, police are urging people to stop sharing information via social media because the shooters likely have access to it. Specifically photos of the scene and police.

I highly doubt the shooters are sitting around on their mobiles checking whats new on twitter


I doubt that too but no reason to increase the risks
You're now breathing manually
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32754 Posts
November 13 2015 23:24 GMT
#276
On November 14 2015 08:19 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2015 08:18 ahswtini wrote:
On November 14 2015 08:16 KwarK wrote:
On November 14 2015 08:11 ahswtini wrote:
On November 14 2015 08:09 KwarK wrote:
On November 14 2015 08:07 ahswtini wrote:
On November 14 2015 08:06 KwarK wrote:
On November 14 2015 08:04 ahswtini wrote:
On November 14 2015 08:03 KwarK wrote:
On November 14 2015 08:00 DeepElemBlues wrote:
[quote]

Twice in the last few months suspected ISIS members have been arrested trying to enter Europe posing as refugees.

I'm not sure what your point is. There are an awful lot of refugees, it's a huge humanitarian crisis, two incidents doesn't disqualify them from needing help. And surely if we can help the refugees while arresting ISIS members that's a good thing.

If you've got any suggestions for solving the refugee crisis while also solving the ISIS problem I will happily hear them though.

how about looking after our own first? shit sucks, u cant help everyone in the world, but ultimately france should put the safety of its own people first

You a Loyalist by any chance?

i'm a realist

Do you remember that time the English decided the IRA were too much effort and left the Nirish on their own? I don't. I recall terrorism being accepted as the price of a necessary fight to protect the rights of the people.

how is this relevant? northern ireland = part of the uk. the people of northern ireland are british. of course the british government can't abandon them. how is this related to european countries being obliged to help refugees at the expense of their own security?


Is the difference between English and Nirish so much greater than that between French and Syrian?

yeah im done, i can't respect what ur saying at all

I feel no more kinship with the Nirish as I do with any other human and I understand less of what they're saying. The obligation to help other human beings and to stand up to terrorism has nothing to do with national borders and everything to do with our common humanity.

In an ideal world I truly do wish we could accept everyone, world hunger would not be a problem, people would feel no need to kill each other and borders would be open for anyone. Unfortunately, this is not that ideal world and there are logistics and limits to it all. I truly do wish the world could accept refugees, I really, really do, but it comes to the point where if countries simply cannot accept them as a matter of logistics or if they are simply not integrating, it should not fall on Europe to accept refugees simply because we are humans.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 13 2015 23:24 GMT
#277
On November 14 2015 08:11 Faust852 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2015 08:10 Fecalfeast wrote:
What's the best place to follow this for a news illiterate english speaker?

I use the reddit live thread
https://www.reddit.com/live/vwwmdb26t78v

It isn't 100% trustworthy but it's the fastest I found with differents sources.

Thanks
Thetwinmasters
Profile Joined January 2015
3578 Posts
November 13 2015 23:24 GMT
#278
On November 14 2015 08:16 KwarK wrote:
Is the difference between English and Nirish so much greater than that between French and Syrian?.

This actually can't be a real post holy shit.
Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
November 13 2015 23:24 GMT
#279
On November 14 2015 08:23 m4ini wrote:
Not sure if it was said, Sky News reports that two of the three bombings were suicide attacks.

..

I heard indeed that dismembered bodies indicated suicides bombings. I don't know if that's actually confirmed though.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 13 2015 23:25 GMT
#280
On November 14 2015 08:23 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2015 08:21 Plansix wrote:
Apparently, police are urging people to stop sharing information via social media because the shooters likely have access to it. Specifically photos of the scene and police.

I highly doubt the shooters are sitting around on their mobiles checking whats new on twitter

I doubt it too, but they could be working with people who are at a computer and talking to them.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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