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On November 14 2015 08:11 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 08:06 m4ini wrote:On November 14 2015 08:05 Djzapz wrote:On November 14 2015 08:04 Erasme wrote:
honestly this is all merkels fault
fuck you and your shitty economy and shitty politics, you're fucking lucky we can't afford the destroy the EU holy fuck Did they catch Merkel shooting at French citizen with a firearm or something? For fuck's sake you people.... He's obviously an idiot, but one point still remains: there are possible gateways for terrorists right now, and the biggest one goes through germany. Well sure, but I'm sure you'll agree that you can't secure thousands of kilometers of borders, and the migrant crisis is a problem that'll fester if Merkel just decided to pretend it doesn't exist.
There's a difference between "deciding to pretend it doesn't exist" and literally acting against your own laws, and laxing controls for refugees down to "a translator deciding who's syrian and who isn't".
Because that's what's happening. There's literally no checkups on origin anymore, other than hearsay, translators confirming etc.
Despites the faults of Merkels administration, it is typical anti German Bullshit to call out Germany for what happend, especially when france had more then one of these attacks all over the last years by people living in france for longer.
I am german, hero.
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france became the scapegoat of the west policies
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United States44213 Posts
On November 14 2015 08:11 ahswtini wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 08:09 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 08:07 ahswtini wrote:On November 14 2015 08:06 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 08:04 ahswtini wrote:On November 14 2015 08:03 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 08:00 DeepElemBlues wrote:On November 14 2015 07:57 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 07:54 Rocket-Bear wrote:On November 14 2015 07:52 PhoenixVoid wrote:
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Which would raise the question of how they even got back into France in the first place if this was the case. In Sweden jihadists got priorty getting apartments over native Swedish people who are in queue. I wish I was joking But according to our government it would help them get integrated or whatever. Ignore the fact that they just fought AGAINST our country, murdering people, drowning children etc. But sure, let them stay in our country, feels super safe. The ISIS guys are the ones still in Syria. The refugees are the ones the ISIS guys chased out of Syria with all that murdering and drowning. If you were super into ISIS and the Islamic Caliphate and all that you wouldn't leave Syria, Syria would be a paradise to you. Twice in the last few months suspected ISIS members have been arrested trying to enter Europe posing as refugees. I'm not sure what your point is. There are an awful lot of refugees, it's a huge humanitarian crisis, two incidents doesn't disqualify them from needing help. And surely if we can help the refugees while arresting ISIS members that's a good thing. If you've got any suggestions for solving the refugee crisis while also solving the ISIS problem I will happily hear them though. how about looking after our own first? shit sucks, u cant help everyone in the world, but ultimately france should put the safety of its own people first You a Loyalist by any chance? i'm a realist Do you remember that time the English decided the IRA were too much effort and left the Nirish on their own? I don't. I recall terrorism being accepted as the price of a necessary fight to protect the rights of the people. how is this relevant? northern ireland = part of the uk. the people of northern ireland are british. of course the british government can't abandon them. how is this related to european countries being obliged to help refugees at the expense of their own security?
They're not English though. They're some weird foreigners with funny accents. But we still fought for them because we felt obliged to, even at the price of our own security. We could have given in to terrorism, we chose to accept the threat of terrorism as the price of doing the right thing.
Is the difference between English and Nirish so much greater than that between French and Syrian? Hell, for what it's worth the French used to own a fair chunk of Syria. They settled the place. You feel one way when it impacts you, that of course the English should be obliged to accept the threat of terrorism to protect the Nirish, and another way when it impacts other people.
We're all people. The difference between English and Nirish is not so much less than between French and Syrian. The obligation to pay the price to do the right thing doesn't come from common nationality, it comes from common humanity.
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On November 14 2015 08:12 Clonester wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 08:06 m4ini wrote:On November 14 2015 08:05 Djzapz wrote:On November 14 2015 08:04 Erasme wrote:
honestly this is all merkels fault
fuck you and your shitty economy and shitty politics, you're fucking lucky we can't afford the destroy the EU holy fuck Did they catch Merkel shooting at French citizen with a firearm or something? For fuck's sake you people.... He's obviously an idiot, but one point still remains: there are possible gateways for terrorists right now, and the biggest one goes through germany. Yeah because France does not have a terror problem within its own people. How many French people can be considered loyal to the islamic state? More then thousend. Its much more likely that this attack has been prepared for month by inner french terrorists. Despites the faults of Merkels administration, it is typical anti German Bullshit to call out Germany for what happend, especially when france had more then one of these attacks all over the last years by people living in france for longer.
Not trying to derail the thread but given the experience with previous muslim immigrants it is not a smart move to bring millions more of them into Europe every year. Let's see how many of these attacks can be attributed to the current policies here in Germany. Truly shortsighted.
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On November 14 2015 08:12 oBlade wrote:
I'm guessing we're not going to get hostage updates until the situation ends because part of the police response is hopefully to disallow journalists from interfering with events in-progress. Like the siege a few months ago.
They can banish the CNN reporters out of the country. They just interviewed someone who said: "They didn't say nothing, they just started shooting." Reporter follows up with "They speak French, or maybe Arabic?"
Just get the vultures out of there.
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On November 14 2015 08:14 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 08:11 Djzapz wrote:On November 14 2015 08:06 m4ini wrote:On November 14 2015 08:05 Djzapz wrote:On November 14 2015 08:04 Erasme wrote:
honestly this is all merkels fault
fuck you and your shitty economy and shitty politics, you're fucking lucky we can't afford the destroy the EU holy fuck Did they catch Merkel shooting at French citizen with a firearm or something? For fuck's sake you people.... He's obviously an idiot, but one point still remains: there are possible gateways for terrorists right now, and the biggest one goes through germany. Well sure, but I'm sure you'll agree that you can't secure thousands of kilometers of borders, and the migrant crisis is a problem that'll fester if Merkel just decided to pretend it doesn't exist. There's a difference between "deciding to pretend it doesn't exist" and literally acting against your own laws, and laxing controls for refugees down to "a translator deciding who's syrian and who isn't". Because that's what's happening. There's literally no checkups on origin anymore, other than hearsay, translators confirming etc.
What do you suppose might happen if they adopted a "business as usual" policy? Do you imagine they call it a crisis because you can just push the correct administrative buttons and it's solved? Just let them pile up at the border maybe? See what happens?
It's the biggest move of population since WW2, there's no guide for how to handle this. Canada's halfway around the world and it's panicking because we don't know how we'll take in 25k people.
If now people are like "in hindsight we should let this problem fester and deal with the fact that people will come in anyway and suffer major economic consequences", they just don't understand the scope of this problem.
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On November 14 2015 08:14 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 08:11 Djzapz wrote:On November 14 2015 08:06 m4ini wrote:On November 14 2015 08:05 Djzapz wrote:On November 14 2015 08:04 Erasme wrote:
honestly this is all merkels fault
fuck you and your shitty economy and shitty politics, you're fucking lucky we can't afford the destroy the EU holy fuck Did they catch Merkel shooting at French citizen with a firearm or something? For fuck's sake you people.... He's obviously an idiot, but one point still remains: there are possible gateways for terrorists right now, and the biggest one goes through germany. Well sure, but I'm sure you'll agree that you can't secure thousands of kilometers of borders, and the migrant crisis is a problem that'll fester if Merkel just decided to pretend it doesn't exist. There's a difference between "deciding to pretend it doesn't exist" and literally acting against your own laws, and laxing controls for refugees down to "a translator deciding who's syrian and who isn't". Because that's what's happening. There's literally no checkups on origin anymore, other than hearsay, translators confirming etc.
It strikes me as somewhat hypocritical when people think it's unrealistic for the US to curb the scale of illegal immigration when the same people don't question the resources required to vet hundreds of thousands of people being accepted into countries as refugees.
On November 14 2015 08:16 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 08:12 oBlade wrote:
I'm guessing we're not going to get hostage updates until the situation ends because part of the police response is hopefully to disallow journalists from interfering with events in-progress. Like the siege a few months ago. They can banish the CNN reporters out of the country. They just interviewed someone who said: "They didn't say nothing, they just started shooting." Reporter follows up with "They speak French, or maybe Arabic?" Just get the vultures out of there.
Yes, reporting like that is in bad taste - although reporters as much as anyone else don't really know what to do in a crisis like that. I'm more talking about we're not going to get updates like "There are 24 people still being held at x location and the military will be storming in 6 minutes after tear gas grenades" because those put people in danger.
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Northern Ireland22213 Posts
On November 14 2015 08:16 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 08:11 ahswtini wrote:On November 14 2015 08:09 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 08:07 ahswtini wrote:On November 14 2015 08:06 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 08:04 ahswtini wrote:On November 14 2015 08:03 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 08:00 DeepElemBlues wrote:On November 14 2015 07:57 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 07:54 Rocket-Bear wrote:
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In Sweden jihadists got priorty getting apartments over native Swedish people who are in queue.
I wish I was joking
But according to our government it would help them get integrated or whatever. Ignore the fact that they just fought AGAINST our country, murdering people, drowning children etc. But sure, let them stay in our country, feels super safe. The ISIS guys are the ones still in Syria. The refugees are the ones the ISIS guys chased out of Syria with all that murdering and drowning. If you were super into ISIS and the Islamic Caliphate and all that you wouldn't leave Syria, Syria would be a paradise to you. Twice in the last few months suspected ISIS members have been arrested trying to enter Europe posing as refugees. I'm not sure what your point is. There are an awful lot of refugees, it's a huge humanitarian crisis, two incidents doesn't disqualify them from needing help. And surely if we can help the refugees while arresting ISIS members that's a good thing. If you've got any suggestions for solving the refugee crisis while also solving the ISIS problem I will happily hear them though. how about looking after our own first? shit sucks, u cant help everyone in the world, but ultimately france should put the safety of its own people first You a Loyalist by any chance? i'm a realist Do you remember that time the English decided the IRA were too much effort and left the Nirish on their own? I don't. I recall terrorism being accepted as the price of a necessary fight to protect the rights of the people. how is this relevant? northern ireland = part of the uk. the people of northern ireland are british. of course the british government can't abandon them. how is this related to european countries being obliged to help refugees at the expense of their own security? Is the difference between English and Nirish so much greater than that between French and Syrian?
yeah im done, i can't respect what ur saying at all. watever it is ur smoking, i think the parisians could do with some of it right now
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On November 14 2015 08:18 ahswtini wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 08:16 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 08:11 ahswtini wrote:On November 14 2015 08:09 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 08:07 ahswtini wrote:On November 14 2015 08:06 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 08:04 ahswtini wrote:On November 14 2015 08:03 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 08:00 DeepElemBlues wrote:On November 14 2015 07:57 KwarK wrote:
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The ISIS guys are the ones still in Syria. The refugees are the ones the ISIS guys chased out of Syria with all that murdering and drowning. If you were super into ISIS and the Islamic Caliphate and all that you wouldn't leave Syria, Syria would be a paradise to you. Twice in the last few months suspected ISIS members have been arrested trying to enter Europe posing as refugees. I'm not sure what your point is. There are an awful lot of refugees, it's a huge humanitarian crisis, two incidents doesn't disqualify them from needing help. And surely if we can help the refugees while arresting ISIS members that's a good thing. If you've got any suggestions for solving the refugee crisis while also solving the ISIS problem I will happily hear them though. how about looking after our own first? shit sucks, u cant help everyone in the world, but ultimately france should put the safety of its own people first You a Loyalist by any chance? i'm a realist Do you remember that time the English decided the IRA were too much effort and left the Nirish on their own? I don't. I recall terrorism being accepted as the price of a necessary fight to protect the rights of the people. how is this relevant? northern ireland = part of the uk. the people of northern ireland are british. of course the british government can't abandon them. how is this related to european countries being obliged to help refugees at the expense of their own security? Is the difference between English and Nirish so much greater than that between French and Syrian? yeah im done, i can't respect what ur saying at all. watever it is ur smoking, i think the parisians could do with some of it right now
well said friend, well said.
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On November 14 2015 08:16 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 08:11 ahswtini wrote:On November 14 2015 08:09 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 08:07 ahswtini wrote:On November 14 2015 08:06 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 08:04 ahswtini wrote:On November 14 2015 08:03 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 08:00 DeepElemBlues wrote:On November 14 2015 07:57 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 07:54 Rocket-Bear wrote:
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In Sweden jihadists got priorty getting apartments over native Swedish people who are in queue.
I wish I was joking
But according to our government it would help them get integrated or whatever. Ignore the fact that they just fought AGAINST our country, murdering people, drowning children etc. But sure, let them stay in our country, feels super safe. The ISIS guys are the ones still in Syria. The refugees are the ones the ISIS guys chased out of Syria with all that murdering and drowning. If you were super into ISIS and the Islamic Caliphate and all that you wouldn't leave Syria, Syria would be a paradise to you. Twice in the last few months suspected ISIS members have been arrested trying to enter Europe posing as refugees. I'm not sure what your point is. There are an awful lot of refugees, it's a huge humanitarian crisis, two incidents doesn't disqualify them from needing help. And surely if we can help the refugees while arresting ISIS members that's a good thing. If you've got any suggestions for solving the refugee crisis while also solving the ISIS problem I will happily hear them though. how about looking after our own first? shit sucks, u cant help everyone in the world, but ultimately france should put the safety of its own people first You a Loyalist by any chance? i'm a realist Do you remember that time the English decided the IRA were too much effort and left the Nirish on their own? I don't. I recall terrorism being accepted as the price of a necessary fight to protect the rights of the people. how is this relevant? northern ireland = part of the uk. the people of northern ireland are british. of course the british government can't abandon them. how is this related to european countries being obliged to help refugees at the expense of their own security? We're all people. The difference between English and Nirish is not so much less than between French and Syrian.
Are you actually serious?
There are bigger core value differences. And you know the part that Syria is a muslim country
And for being a "religion of peace" they sure tend to end up in a lot of wars
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United States44213 Posts
On November 14 2015 08:18 ahswtini wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 08:16 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 08:11 ahswtini wrote:On November 14 2015 08:09 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 08:07 ahswtini wrote:On November 14 2015 08:06 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 08:04 ahswtini wrote:On November 14 2015 08:03 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 08:00 DeepElemBlues wrote:On November 14 2015 07:57 KwarK wrote:
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The ISIS guys are the ones still in Syria. The refugees are the ones the ISIS guys chased out of Syria with all that murdering and drowning. If you were super into ISIS and the Islamic Caliphate and all that you wouldn't leave Syria, Syria would be a paradise to you. Twice in the last few months suspected ISIS members have been arrested trying to enter Europe posing as refugees. I'm not sure what your point is. There are an awful lot of refugees, it's a huge humanitarian crisis, two incidents doesn't disqualify them from needing help. And surely if we can help the refugees while arresting ISIS members that's a good thing. If you've got any suggestions for solving the refugee crisis while also solving the ISIS problem I will happily hear them though. how about looking after our own first? shit sucks, u cant help everyone in the world, but ultimately france should put the safety of its own people first You a Loyalist by any chance? i'm a realist Do you remember that time the English decided the IRA were too much effort and left the Nirish on their own? I don't. I recall terrorism being accepted as the price of a necessary fight to protect the rights of the people. how is this relevant? northern ireland = part of the uk. the people of northern ireland are british. of course the british government can't abandon them. how is this related to european countries being obliged to help refugees at the expense of their own security? Is the difference between English and Nirish so much greater than that between French and Syrian? yeah im done, i can't respect what ur saying at all
I feel no more kinship with the Nirish as I do with any other human and I understand less of what they're saying. The obligation to help other human beings and to stand up to terrorism has nothing to do with national borders and everything to do with our common humanity.
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Canada1001 Posts
On November 14 2015 08:16 KwarK wrote:
Is the difference between English and Nirish so much greater than that between French and Syrian?
This is absolutely comical lmao
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Northern Ireland22213 Posts
On November 14 2015 08:19 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 08:18 ahswtini wrote:On November 14 2015 08:16 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 08:11 ahswtini wrote:On November 14 2015 08:09 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 08:07 ahswtini wrote:On November 14 2015 08:06 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 08:04 ahswtini wrote:On November 14 2015 08:03 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 08:00 DeepElemBlues wrote:
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Twice in the last few months suspected ISIS members have been arrested trying to enter Europe posing as refugees. I'm not sure what your point is. There are an awful lot of refugees, it's a huge humanitarian crisis, two incidents doesn't disqualify them from needing help. And surely if we can help the refugees while arresting ISIS members that's a good thing. If you've got any suggestions for solving the refugee crisis while also solving the ISIS problem I will happily hear them though. how about looking after our own first? shit sucks, u cant help everyone in the world, but ultimately france should put the safety of its own people first You a Loyalist by any chance? i'm a realist Do you remember that time the English decided the IRA were too much effort and left the Nirish on their own? I don't. I recall terrorism being accepted as the price of a necessary fight to protect the rights of the people. how is this relevant? northern ireland = part of the uk. the people of northern ireland are british. of course the british government can't abandon them. how is this related to european countries being obliged to help refugees at the expense of their own security? Is the difference between English and Nirish so much greater than that between French and Syrian? yeah im done, i can't respect what ur saying at all I feel no more kinship with the Nirish as I do with any other human and I understand less of what they're saying. The obligation to help other human beings and to stand up to terrorism has nothing to do with national borders and everything to do with our common humanity.
theres a lot more we could be doing in the name of common humanity but we dont. why? it's not practicable.
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What do you suppose might happen if they adopted a "business as usual" policy? Do you imagine they call it a crisis because you can just push the correct administrative buttons and it's solved? Just let them pile up at the border maybe? See what happens?
If there's no realistic way to make sure the person trying to cross the border is actually the person he says he is - and considering, that germany being germany, we can't build big camps with fences around them - yes. Leave them out until they reached the end of the queue.
If you just wave people through at the borders (and not to mention, all the alarmsignals from secret services, federal police etc that get ignored), you're BEGGING for something to happen.
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im sorry guys ahah i clearly overreacted see i fixed it teehee 
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On a second thought, if I was at that big stadium I wouldn't want to leave because thats the only place surrounded by policemen I would know of
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Any up to date french stream I can watch ?
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On November 14 2015 08:20 Erasme wrote:im sorry guys ahah i clearly overreacted see i fixed it teehee
Do you think this is a reasonable reaction to tens of deaths?
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my heart goes to everyone there right now
