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On November 14 2015 08:04 Erasme wrote:
honestly this is all merkels fault
fuck you and your shitty economy and shitty politics, you're fucking lucky we can't afford the destroy the EU holy fuck
Did they catch Merkel shooting at French citizen with a firearm or something? For fuck's sake you people....
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On November 14 2015 08:04 Makro wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 08:03 Djzapz wrote:On November 14 2015 08:02 m4ini wrote:On November 14 2015 08:01 OtherWorld wrote:
Please French people, try to avoid mindless Hollande bashing, criticism does not bring solutions Actually though, that's kinda exactly what criticism does. Bashing doesn't equal criticising. Random people criticizing the president of France for not preventing a terrorist attack? Do people know what presidents do? Doesn't give them superpowers. the constitution of france gives françois hollande more power than louis 14 and 16 had huge reform could have been done but he did nothing
Huge reform would've definitely prevented this, got it. And I'm a chinese aviator as well as a unicorn.
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On November 14 2015 08:05 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 08:04 Erasme wrote:
honestly this is all merkels fault
fuck you and your shitty economy and shitty politics, you're fucking lucky we can't afford the destroy the EU holy fuck Did they catch Merkel shooting at French citizen with a firearm or something? For fuck's sake you people....
He's obviously an idiot, but one point still remains: there are possible gateways for terrorists right now, and the biggest one goes through germany.
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On November 14 2015 08:04 Makro wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 08:03 Djzapz wrote:On November 14 2015 08:02 m4ini wrote:On November 14 2015 08:01 OtherWorld wrote:
Please French people, try to avoid mindless Hollande bashing, criticism does not bring solutions Actually though, that's kinda exactly what criticism does. Bashing doesn't equal criticising. Random people criticizing the president of France for not preventing a terrorist attack? Do people know what presidents do? Doesn't give them superpowers. the constitution of france gives françois hollande more power than louis 14 and 16 had huge reform could have been done but he did nothing
Come on, please shut it already...
Not the place, not the time. Especially not the time.
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United States44213 Posts
On November 14 2015 08:04 ahswtini wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 08:03 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 08:00 DeepElemBlues wrote:On November 14 2015 07:57 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 07:54 Rocket-Bear wrote:On November 14 2015 07:52 PhoenixVoid wrote:On November 14 2015 07:51 SkrollK wrote:On November 14 2015 07:49 DeepElemBlues wrote:On November 14 2015 07:48 Plansix wrote:On November 14 2015 07:46 WhiteDog wrote:
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I'm very irritated by the fact that some people believe it is the right moment now to argue that muslim will suffer discrimination and that it is not islam but extremism that leads to such behaviors when people are shot dead like dogs. It's just not the moment, have some decency please. Sorry, I didn't mean to offend. I am just concerned with anyone who might be hurt by what is going on. Even indirectly. From the highly coordinated and successful (ugh) nature of the attacks I think it's more likely they aren't locals, they're guys with combat experience overseas. But who knows it could be anyone from anywhere. Could be some french Guys coming back from jihad in syria or w\e. Which would raise the question of how they even got back into France in the first place if this was the case. In Sweden jihadists got priorty getting apartments over native Swedish people who are in queue. I wish I was joking But according to our government it would help them get integrated or whatever. Ignore the fact that they just fought AGAINST our country, murdering people, drowning children etc. But sure, let them stay in our country, feels super safe. The ISIS guys are the ones still in Syria. The refugees are the ones the ISIS guys chased out of Syria with all that murdering and drowning. If you were super into ISIS and the Islamic Caliphate and all that you wouldn't leave Syria, Syria would be a paradise to you. Twice in the last few months suspected ISIS members have been arrested trying to enter Europe posing as refugees. I'm not sure what your point is. There are an awful lot of refugees, it's a huge humanitarian crisis, two incidents doesn't disqualify them from needing help. And surely if we can help the refugees while arresting ISIS members that's a good thing. If you've got any suggestions for solving the refugee crisis while also solving the ISIS problem I will happily hear them though. how about looking after our own first? shit sucks, u cant help everyone in the world, but ultimately france should put the safety of its own people first
You a Loyalist by any chance?
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Please stop guys, there are more important things to say than discuss politics, religion, or whatever meaningless topic making you feel important.
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Political bashings aren't going to help...
Really hope everyone is okay. My condolences to everyone affected.
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On November 14 2015 08:03 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 08:00 DeepElemBlues wrote:On November 14 2015 07:57 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 07:54 Rocket-Bear wrote:On November 14 2015 07:52 PhoenixVoid wrote:On November 14 2015 07:51 SkrollK wrote:On November 14 2015 07:49 DeepElemBlues wrote:On November 14 2015 07:48 Plansix wrote:On November 14 2015 07:46 WhiteDog wrote:On November 14 2015 07:40 Plansix wrote:
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Agreed. But if it turns out to be Islamic extremists, there will be a fare share of totally innocent Muslims that get a helping of undeserved hate. Which is what the Islamic extremists want, tbh. I'm very irritated by the fact that some people believe it is the right moment now to argue that muslim will suffer discrimination and that it is not islam but extremism that leads to such behaviors when people are shot dead like dogs. It's just not the moment, have some decency please. Sorry, I didn't mean to offend. I am just concerned with anyone who might be hurt by what is going on. Even indirectly. From the highly coordinated and successful (ugh) nature of the attacks I think it's more likely they aren't locals, they're guys with combat experience overseas. But who knows it could be anyone from anywhere. Could be some french Guys coming back from jihad in syria or w\e. Which would raise the question of how they even got back into France in the first place if this was the case. In Sweden jihadists got priorty getting apartments over native Swedish people who are in queue. I wish I was joking But according to our government it would help them get integrated or whatever. Ignore the fact that they just fought AGAINST our country, murdering people, drowning children etc. But sure, let them stay in our country, feels super safe. The ISIS guys are the ones still in Syria. The refugees are the ones the ISIS guys chased out of Syria with all that murdering and drowning. If you were super into ISIS and the Islamic Caliphate and all that you wouldn't leave Syria, Syria would be a paradise to you. Twice in the last few months suspected ISIS members have been arrested trying to enter Europe posing as refugees. I'm not sure what your point is. There are an awful lot of refugees, it's a huge humanitarian crisis, two incidents doesn't disqualify them from needing help. And surely if we can help the refugees while arresting ISIS members that's a good thing. If you've got any suggestions for solving the refugee crisis while also solving the ISIS problem I will happily hear them though.
Lot of solutions have been proposed, that would cost less, and avoid of kind of shit we see every day on the news about the refugee crisis. It just doesn't suit Germany's politic so they are labeled as nazis.
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Northern Ireland22213 Posts
On November 14 2015 08:06 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 08:04 ahswtini wrote:On November 14 2015 08:03 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 08:00 DeepElemBlues wrote:On November 14 2015 07:57 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 07:54 Rocket-Bear wrote:On November 14 2015 07:52 PhoenixVoid wrote:On November 14 2015 07:51 SkrollK wrote:On November 14 2015 07:49 DeepElemBlues wrote:On November 14 2015 07:48 Plansix wrote:
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Sorry, I didn't mean to offend. I am just concerned with anyone who might be hurt by what is going on. Even indirectly. From the highly coordinated and successful (ugh) nature of the attacks I think it's more likely they aren't locals, they're guys with combat experience overseas. But who knows it could be anyone from anywhere. Could be some french Guys coming back from jihad in syria or w\e. Which would raise the question of how they even got back into France in the first place if this was the case. In Sweden jihadists got priorty getting apartments over native Swedish people who are in queue. I wish I was joking But according to our government it would help them get integrated or whatever. Ignore the fact that they just fought AGAINST our country, murdering people, drowning children etc. But sure, let them stay in our country, feels super safe. The ISIS guys are the ones still in Syria. The refugees are the ones the ISIS guys chased out of Syria with all that murdering and drowning. If you were super into ISIS and the Islamic Caliphate and all that you wouldn't leave Syria, Syria would be a paradise to you. Twice in the last few months suspected ISIS members have been arrested trying to enter Europe posing as refugees. I'm not sure what your point is. There are an awful lot of refugees, it's a huge humanitarian crisis, two incidents doesn't disqualify them from needing help. And surely if we can help the refugees while arresting ISIS members that's a good thing. If you've got any suggestions for solving the refugee crisis while also solving the ISIS problem I will happily hear them though. how about looking after our own first? shit sucks, u cant help everyone in the world, but ultimately france should put the safety of its own people first You a Loyalist by any chance?
i'm a realist
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On November 14 2015 08:04 corumjhaelen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 07:57 WhiteDog wrote:On November 14 2015 07:56 Makro wrote:
hollande has confirmed that he's gonna deploy every french soldier and policeman of paris
the state emergency has been activated on whole france
hollande just declared that he's gonna suspend schengen Way too late idiot president. Totally idiotic, panic decision taken at the worst possible time. Resilience, have we heard of it ? The horror...
He want to make it seem like he is controlling anything.
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On November 14 2015 08:04 Makro wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 08:03 Djzapz wrote:On November 14 2015 08:02 m4ini wrote:On November 14 2015 08:01 OtherWorld wrote:
Please French people, try to avoid mindless Hollande bashing, criticism does not bring solutions Actually though, that's kinda exactly what criticism does. Bashing doesn't equal criticising. Random people criticizing the president of France for not preventing a terrorist attack? Do people know what presidents do? Doesn't give them superpowers. the constitution of france gives françois hollande more power than louis 14 and 16 had huge reform could have been done but he did nothing
Please
when the government passed a law using a slightly dictatorial article (the 49.3) it provoked a scandal. What huge reform could have been done?
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you guys do realize people are dying here right?
now really isn't the time to play the blame game
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Please, at these moments, stick to what's actually happening. Factual statements.
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On November 14 2015 08:08 Verniy wrote:
you guys do realize people are dying here right?
now really isn't the time to play the blame game
And there's not much else we can do apart from hoping the best for these people. Please, just because people discuss politics etc here doesn't m ean they don't give a shit.
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United States44213 Posts
On November 14 2015 08:07 ahswtini wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 08:06 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 08:04 ahswtini wrote:On November 14 2015 08:03 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 08:00 DeepElemBlues wrote:On November 14 2015 07:57 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 07:54 Rocket-Bear wrote:On November 14 2015 07:52 PhoenixVoid wrote:On November 14 2015 07:51 SkrollK wrote:On November 14 2015 07:49 DeepElemBlues wrote:
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From the highly coordinated and successful (ugh) nature of the attacks I think it's more likely they aren't locals, they're guys with combat experience overseas. But who knows it could be anyone from anywhere. Could be some french Guys coming back from jihad in syria or w\e. Which would raise the question of how they even got back into France in the first place if this was the case. In Sweden jihadists got priorty getting apartments over native Swedish people who are in queue. I wish I was joking But according to our government it would help them get integrated or whatever. Ignore the fact that they just fought AGAINST our country, murdering people, drowning children etc. But sure, let them stay in our country, feels super safe. The ISIS guys are the ones still in Syria. The refugees are the ones the ISIS guys chased out of Syria with all that murdering and drowning. If you were super into ISIS and the Islamic Caliphate and all that you wouldn't leave Syria, Syria would be a paradise to you. Twice in the last few months suspected ISIS members have been arrested trying to enter Europe posing as refugees. I'm not sure what your point is. There are an awful lot of refugees, it's a huge humanitarian crisis, two incidents doesn't disqualify them from needing help. And surely if we can help the refugees while arresting ISIS members that's a good thing. If you've got any suggestions for solving the refugee crisis while also solving the ISIS problem I will happily hear them though. how about looking after our own first? shit sucks, u cant help everyone in the world, but ultimately france should put the safety of its own people first You a Loyalist by any chance? i'm a realist
Do you remember that time the English decided the IRA were too much effort and left the Nirish on their own? I don't. I recall terrorism being accepted as the price of a necessary fight to protect the rights of the people. You fight against the terrorists but you don't give in to them.
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On November 14 2015 08:07 ahswtini wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 08:06 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 08:04 ahswtini wrote:On November 14 2015 08:03 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 08:00 DeepElemBlues wrote:On November 14 2015 07:57 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 07:54 Rocket-Bear wrote:On November 14 2015 07:52 PhoenixVoid wrote:On November 14 2015 07:51 SkrollK wrote:On November 14 2015 07:49 DeepElemBlues wrote:
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From the highly coordinated and successful (ugh) nature of the attacks I think it's more likely they aren't locals, they're guys with combat experience overseas. But who knows it could be anyone from anywhere. Could be some french Guys coming back from jihad in syria or w\e. Which would raise the question of how they even got back into France in the first place if this was the case. In Sweden jihadists got priorty getting apartments over native Swedish people who are in queue. I wish I was joking But according to our government it would help them get integrated or whatever. Ignore the fact that they just fought AGAINST our country, murdering people, drowning children etc. But sure, let them stay in our country, feels super safe. The ISIS guys are the ones still in Syria. The refugees are the ones the ISIS guys chased out of Syria with all that murdering and drowning. If you were super into ISIS and the Islamic Caliphate and all that you wouldn't leave Syria, Syria would be a paradise to you. Twice in the last few months suspected ISIS members have been arrested trying to enter Europe posing as refugees. I'm not sure what your point is. There are an awful lot of refugees, it's a huge humanitarian crisis, two incidents doesn't disqualify them from needing help. And surely if we can help the refugees while arresting ISIS members that's a good thing. If you've got any suggestions for solving the refugee crisis while also solving the ISIS problem I will happily hear them though. how about looking after our own first? shit sucks, u cant help everyone in the world, but ultimately france should put the safety of its own people first You a Loyalist by any chance? i'm a realist
I'm with you in this. As a Swede I feel kinda ashamed that we brought so many to Europe. We have to focus on our own people too. And there are so many incidents recently.
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On November 14 2015 08:06 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 08:05 Djzapz wrote:On November 14 2015 08:04 Erasme wrote:
honestly this is all merkels fault
fuck you and your shitty economy and shitty politics, you're fucking lucky we can't afford the destroy the EU holy fuck Did they catch Merkel shooting at French citizen with a firearm or something? For fuck's sake you people.... He's obviously an idiot, but one point still remains: there are possible gateways for terrorists right now, and the biggest one goes through germany.
LMAO
nice you guys don't understand the first thing about europeans politics or economy
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Netherlands45349 Posts
Can we fucking stop talking about who to vaguely blame and more about the actual situation
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On November 14 2015 08:03 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 08:00 DeepElemBlues wrote:On November 14 2015 07:57 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 07:54 Rocket-Bear wrote:On November 14 2015 07:52 PhoenixVoid wrote:On November 14 2015 07:51 SkrollK wrote:On November 14 2015 07:49 DeepElemBlues wrote:On November 14 2015 07:48 Plansix wrote:On November 14 2015 07:46 WhiteDog wrote:On November 14 2015 07:40 Plansix wrote:
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Agreed. But if it turns out to be Islamic extremists, there will be a fare share of totally innocent Muslims that get a helping of undeserved hate. Which is what the Islamic extremists want, tbh. I'm very irritated by the fact that some people believe it is the right moment now to argue that muslim will suffer discrimination and that it is not islam but extremism that leads to such behaviors when people are shot dead like dogs. It's just not the moment, have some decency please. Sorry, I didn't mean to offend. I am just concerned with anyone who might be hurt by what is going on. Even indirectly. From the highly coordinated and successful (ugh) nature of the attacks I think it's more likely they aren't locals, they're guys with combat experience overseas. But who knows it could be anyone from anywhere. Could be some french Guys coming back from jihad in syria or w\e. Which would raise the question of how they even got back into France in the first place if this was the case. In Sweden jihadists got priorty getting apartments over native Swedish people who are in queue. I wish I was joking But according to our government it would help them get integrated or whatever. Ignore the fact that they just fought AGAINST our country, murdering people, drowning children etc. But sure, let them stay in our country, feels super safe. The ISIS guys are the ones still in Syria. The refugees are the ones the ISIS guys chased out of Syria with all that murdering and drowning. If you were super into ISIS and the Islamic Caliphate and all that you wouldn't leave Syria, Syria would be a paradise to you. Twice in the last few months suspected ISIS members have been arrested trying to enter Europe posing as refugees. I'm not sure what your point is. There are an awful lot of refugees, it's a huge humanitarian crisis, two incidents doesn't disqualify them from needing help. And surely if we can help the refugees while arresting ISIS members that's a good thing. If you've got any suggestions for solving the refugee crisis while also solving the ISIS problem I will happily hear them though.
What would be wrong with military intervention? We can't just let Syria fall apart and hope that dividing its population among other countries is a solution either.
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