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http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/bge20
They used to do these really often and then stopped at 2010, but are bringing it back this year. I think it's actually been really fun to make a bracket, some really tough choices in this contest. There's a lot of clashes between old games and new games, and I'm not sure how much nostalgia will factor into this. Some of the top matches (IMO) are:
- Goldeneye vs. Diablo II, and Skyrim vs. the winner
- Mario Brothers 3 vs. Pokemon Red/Blue (2nd round)
- Earthbound vs. Borderlands 2
- Portal 2 vs. Sonic 2
- Mega Man X vs. Batman Arkham City
Also as a Starcraft fan I'm a little biased, but I think its division is wide open. I personally have it going to the final eight but I could also see it losing to Destiny in the first round, which is an extremely popular game right now. It all depends on the people voting, do they only know the current games or do they prefer the classics?
I think it'll be a very interesting competition and I figured some people might be interested in this and submitting brackets 
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I remember the top 100 l ist they released on umm G4 i think or the tv show whatever was 5 parts, and Broodwar ranked number 9 or 8 on it
i was pretty proud
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Starcraft honestly deserves to win the whole thing. I think Ocarina of Time will win though.
Surprised to see no league of legends or dota 2. Or Counterstrike, for that matter.
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Canada16217 Posts
Oooh this is interesting
Post your brackets people!
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On November 03 2015 14:57 LordOfDabu wrote:
Starcraft honestly deserves to win the whole thing. I think Ocarina of Time will win though.
Surprised to see no league of legends or dota 2. Or Counterstrike, for that matter.
Gamefaqs polls are always skewed by fanbase, so yeah some zelda game or something will win for sure
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On November 03 2015 15:06 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 14:57 LordOfDabu wrote:
Starcraft honestly deserves to win the whole thing. I think Ocarina of Time will win though.
Surprised to see no league of legends or dota 2. Or Counterstrike, for that matter. Gamefaqs polls are always skewed by fanbase, so yeah some zelda game or something will win for sure
yea people who play dota, cs, bw etc are a different breed of gamers than the usual gamefaqs reader :D
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Half-Life vs. Starcraft in the finals, ouch...
No option for Mega Man II though, so this is utterly pointless.
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Nintendo fanboy reporting in, let's give OoT another win 
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On November 03 2015 16:57 Laurens wrote:Nintendo fanboy reporting in, let's give OoT another win
No way, WW is so much better!
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Haha, I'm actually kinda glad to see this thread here.
OoT is probably going to win, and tbh StarCraft probably doesn't make it past the first or second round (NintendoFAQs).
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On November 03 2015 15:06 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 14:57 LordOfDabu wrote:
Starcraft honestly deserves to win the whole thing. I think Ocarina of Time will win though.
Surprised to see no league of legends or dota 2. Or Counterstrike, for that matter. Gamefaqs polls are always skewed by fanbase, so yeah some zelda game or something will win for sure
Or maybe Pokemon.
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Northern Ireland22208 Posts
ocarina of time is like an inevitability
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My finals :
Chrono Trigger vs
Metal Gear Solid 4
Final Fantasy VI vs
Planescape: Torment
Super Mario Bros. 3 vs
Final Fantasy VIII
Demon's Souls vs
Persona 4
Warcraft III vs
Baldur's Gate II
Dark Souls vs
Final Fantasy XII
Chrono Cross vs
The Witcher 3 (TW3 vs Resident Evil 4 was a hard choice)
Bayonetta 2 vs
Starcraft (Virtue Last Reward loses because it's vs Starcraft, but it should be the final of the group :o)
I filled everything but I can't fill up the next step TT Games don't appear. edit : ho it's because you have to click on the winner obviously =p
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Is that a fan vote or do you actually expect Starcraft to win, MrCon? 
I remember the yearly character battles where the grand finals would always be Link vs Cloud lol. And always Link winning of course.
Glad that those polls are back I really liked them tbh.
Although apparently Link lost to Draven in 2013, how tf did that happen :O Is the nintendo era over?!?
A LoL champion best character of all time, my god.
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On November 03 2015 22:25 Laurens wrote:Is that a fan vote or do you actually expect Starcraft to win, MrCon? I remember the yearly character battles where the grand finals would always be Link vs Cloud lol. And always Link winning of course. Glad that those polls are back I really liked them tbh. Although apparently Link lost to Draven in 2013, how tf did that happen :O Is the nintendo era over?!? A LoL champion best character of all time, my god.
Draven is pretty good
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On November 03 2015 22:25 Laurens wrote:Is that a fan vote or do you actually expect Starcraft to win, MrCon? I remember the yearly character battles where the grand finals would always be Link vs Cloud lol. And always Link winning of course. Glad that those polls are back I really liked them tbh. Although apparently Link lost to Draven in 2013, how tf did that happen :O Is the nintendo era over?!? A LoL champion best character of all time, my god.
it's my personal vote !
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I haven't paid attention to GFaqs in a looooong time. I probably used to frequent it around 2003-2006 the most. I really wonder what the voter base is even like now. A lot of people have moved on, a lot have grown up and changed, and the younger base might vote totally differently.
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On November 04 2015 02:18 Fighter wrote:
I haven't paid attention to GFaqs in a looooong time. I probably used to frequent it around 2003-2006 the most. I really wonder what the voter base is even like now. A lot of people have moved on, a lot have grown up and changed, and the younger base might vote totally differently.
This is a really good question and we won't know the answer to it until voting begins.
My dark horse for this tournament is GTA: San Andreas. There's no way it's going to win it all but I think it has a shot at winning its division since, IMO, there's no game that really sticks out in it. However, the Grand Theft Auto series has fared very poorly historically in these contests. But the last contest was 5 years ago, so have the voters changed enough to give it a shot? If it's lucky enough to even get past WoW, I could see the voters reverting back to their old GameFAQs selves and voting for Super Mario RPG (which will probably beat GTAV, which shouldn't be a 1 seed) over San Andreas just because it's a Mario title (and not a bad one, but not better than GTA:SA).
Another game that hasn't fared well historically is Super Metroid. Some friends and I have been doing predictions for this contest for fun + Show Spoiler + and we aren't sure what to make of it. Super Metroid has gained a ton of steam in the last five years as speedrunning has become huge with the rise of AGDQ, which has Super Metroid as one of its featured games. I think it easily beats Call Of Duty but a ton of people are picking it to go down to Super Mario Galaxy. Galaxy is a great game but this boggles my mind as Super Metroid is just a classic.
I'm surprised how interested I've been in this contest. The last good statistics that we have are five years old, which is quite a long time. I'm sure there's a lot of people that still go to the site to talk to old friends but there's also a new wave of gamers who go for games like Destiny (which could win that division since it's so wide open) and Skyrim (which is still one of the most popular games on the site). Besides the obvious like OoT, FFVII, Link to the Past, Mario 3, and a few others, I think there's a ton of matches that could surprise some people.
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If Dragon Quest keeps its lead it looks like I'm 4/4 for the first day.
#sunglasses emoji
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Sad to see Half Life lose already, hopefully HL2 gets a longer run. I wonder if it can beat Skyrim.
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I'm 4/4 too! Though I took Starcraft to go really far so I'm sure my bracket will fold at some point haha.
And yeah, GameFAQs is pretty much the only site where you'd see Half Life get embarrassed like this. It's just the way the site is.
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Why is Batman: Arkham City in that list?
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If Banjo Kazooie beats out Baldurs gate 2 in division 5 that'd be a disgrace.
Decent chance destiny will beat Starcraft in the first matchup too considering how many dumb console kids have only played the former.
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On November 06 2015 04:39 sore wrote:
Why is Batman: Arkham City in that list?
I was also pretty mystified at how highly seeded it was. Beating Mega Man X? Psh.
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Wow, of all games to represent the series they choose Civilization V. Why not just "Civilization series" or something...
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Holy shit Division VIII is so stacked.
StarCraft, Mass Effect 2, Bioshock, Red Dead Redemption. That's actually physically literally my top 5 of all time right there. Just missing Bastion. Like what.
And Borderlands 2 and Team Fortress 2 in the same bracket. Whaaaattt.
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I'm quite fond of FFX, but there is no way it's been as anywhere near as important to the gaming industry as Half-Life...
On November 06 2015 07:39 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
If Banjo Kazooie beats out Baldurs gate 2 in division 5 that'd be a disgrace.
Decent chance destiny will beat Starcraft in the first matchup too considering how many dumb console kids have only played the former.
Have you played Banjo Kazooie? It's a pretty fantastic game. I understand that BG2 is a goliath, but Banjo Kazooie is at least in the upper echelon of the games listed. The fact that Planescape: Torment is going to lose to Smash Bros Wii U is a far greater travesty (regardless of how great Smash Bros is). F:NV is going to lose to Bioshock: Infinite; Silent Hill 2 is going to lose to Bioshock.
I'm predicting the winners of each division will be
+ Show Spoiler +Div 1: The Last of Us (if Half Life is going to lose to FFX...)
Div 2: Wind Waker (difficult to call this one)
Div 3: Pokemon Red/Blue (I think its influence will win out over the others)
Div 4: Goldeneye
Div 5: Ocarina of Time
Div 6: MGS5
Div 7: GTA5
Div 8: MGS
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I could see Dark souls winning it's bracket if Link to the Past wasn't in there.
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Second day of polls just started.
4/4 so far and if the current results stick gonna be 8/8.
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Looks like I'm gonna miss the Metal Gear/KH2 match. I knew KH was popular, should have known MG4 couldn't pull it off. I figured Solid Snake was still really strong though, but number 4 just doesn't have the cache of the older ones, eh?
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Pokemon GSC is winning by a larger margin than Melee and The Last of Us now. It might have a solid chance at advancing to the finals of that region
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On November 06 2015 10:11 pure.Wasted wrote:
Holy shit Division VIII is so stacked.
StarCraft, Mass Effect 2, Bioshock, Red Dead Redemption. That's actually physically literally my top 5 of all time right there. Just missing Bastion. Like what.
And Borderlands 2 and Team Fortress 2 in the same bracket. Whaaaattt. None of those games are likely to go far. GameFAQs skews towards Nintendo and older games.
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Kinda wishing I took my bracket more seriously now. I'm 8-0 after these first 8 matches, which I thought were pretty straightforward, but only 4.5 % got all 8 of them right which is insane to me. Unfortunately I made some odd picks in later rounds that are gonna kill me.
Couple really nice matches today, Paper Mario vs. Tales of Symphonia and Star Wars: KOTOR vs. Xenogears. I went with Star Wars as my safe pick due to the name, and Tales of Symphonia as my upset pick in the RPG vs. RPG battle. Right now Paper Mario is up 53-47 and Star Wars is up 54-46, but these numbers have been getting closer and closer. Should be a good battle throughout the day, although I expect Paper Mario to pull away once the more casual voters get involved.
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I expect that ~8 games of top10 were released between 1996-2004.
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An absolute classic like Age of Empires II losing by 85-15%, bah.
Not that super mario bros 3 isn't a classic but I'd expected it to be closer.
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More surprised at Pokemon beating Tetris to be honest, guess that shows how out of touch i am nowdays.
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Ah, that didn't surprise me at all
Pokemon is basically my youth.
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Well looks like Goldeneye beat Diablo 2.I enjoyed Goldeneye back in the day but has anyone played it lately and seen how badly it has aged? Have to go with D2 on this one.
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Diablo 2 vs. GoldenEye 007. Oh shit.
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Singleplayer Goldeneye is just a really good game, it hasn't aged any worse than Doom or other shooters of the time.
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On November 11 2015 19:41 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Well looks like Goldeneye beat Diablo 2.I enjoyed Goldeneye back in the day but has anyone played it lately and seen how badly it has aged? Have to go with D2 on this one.
Eh, people who still play N64 (proud to be be one!) still play GoldenEye for the nostalgia. GoldenEye isn't famous for "aging well" over the years; heck, Perfect Dark came out soon after for the N64 and was basically GoldenEye 2.0 in every way. But it's still one of the most beloved games for one of the most beloved consoles, especially in regards to FPS/ party games
But I've spent tens of thousands of hours on Diablo II too x.x And that's a timeless games in its own right.
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On November 06 2015 07:39 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
If Banjo Kazooie beats out Baldurs gate 2 in division 5 that'd be a disgrace.
Decent chance destiny will beat Starcraft in the first matchup too considering how many dumb console kids have only played the former.
Ahem. Banjo-Kazooie was amazing. You sound like you dislike consoles on principle or something. Have some respect for N64! http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/325914-the-top-25-n64-games-of-all-time
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FFVII might win this thing again, the remake hype helping.
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diablo 2 vs goldeneye this early is bullshit
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D2 vs Goldeneye in a battle of which was more groundbreaking: Goldeneye being the first GOOD console FPS.
In terms of which has aged better: Diablo 2 by far. The gameplay is still good today, even if the UI is atrocious.
I dunno, I voted for D2 based mainly on the latter.
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Haven't played golden eye, was it that good? I mean d2 really deserves to be top 10 best games 
Very happy to see metroid prime beating morrowind. Not that either is a contender for the grand final.
smash melee vs the most loved pokemon game, there goes melee
If Kotor looses to Zelda:tww i'm gonna be mad. But I'm gonna be mad either way the moment Kotor looses. Would be great if it was appreciated enough to beat the worst main-console zelda after zelda 2. Not that the rest are bad.
Starcraft's group is relatively weak. Only Me2 and bl 2 have a large modern fanbase, despite being two of the weaker titles in that group (neither did anything really exceptional). Silent hill 2 might be another contender, but I'm not sure how large the fanbase for horror titles is.
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On November 12 2015 01:39 deth2munkies wrote:
D2 vs Goldeneye in a battle of which was more groundbreaking: Goldeneye being the first GOOD console FPS.
In terms of which has aged better: Diablo 2 by far. The gameplay is still good today, even if the UI is atrocious.
I dunno, I voted for D2 based mainly on the latter.
I voted for D2 too, but I definitely recognize the importance of GoldenEye.
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Metroid Prime vs. Morrowind is such a bittersweet match for me. Two of my favorite games, and Morrowind SO underrated since everyone loves Skyrim.
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On November 12 2015 02:03 Fighter wrote:
Metroid Prime vs. Morrowind is such a bittersweet match for me. Two of my favorite games, and Morrowind SO underrated since everyone loves Skyrim.
Honestly, Morrowind is and has been overrated pretty much since Oblivion came out. Everyone keeps saying Morrowind was the last good one, when really it is exactly the same formulaic game that Oblivion and Skyrim are just with worse graphics, controls, and UI, all things that have gotten better as the series advances.
Whereas Metroid Prime was the best game in the Metroid series, a fresh, new take on both platforming and FPS on console, and an all around beautiful game both in terms of graphics and music.
I'd take Prime any day.
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Throwing Knifes, Licence To Kill, 4 player screen cheating on stack... Friendships were strained
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On November 12 2015 01:57 Blackfeather wrote:Haven't played golden eye, was it that good? I mean d2 really deserves to be top 10 best games Very happy to see metroid prime beating morrowind. Not that either is a contender for the grand final. smash melee vs the most loved pokemon game, there goes melee If Kotor looses to Zelda:tww i'm gonna be mad. But I'm gonna be mad either way the moment Kotor looses. Would be great if it was appreciated enough to beat the worst main-console zelda after zelda 2. Not that the rest are bad. Starcraft's group is relatively weak. Only Me2 and bl 2 have a large modern fanbase, despite being two of the weaker titles in that group (neither did anything really exceptional). Silent hill 2 might be another contender, but I'm not sure how large the fanbase for horror titles is.
Goldeneye was for consoles what half life was for pc. Groundbreaking.
The single player is still nice by today's standards and the lagging mp was, for its time, beyond awesome.
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War3, Diablo2, Planescape : Torment & Baldurs gate 2 all out in the first round.
The way things are going SC will be out first round too.
Looks like Gamefaqs skews far more console than it did 5 years ago.
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War3 being out is a bit strange. Would think DotA would carry it forward.
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Glad to see BK with twice as many votes as BG2; DKC2 vs. Xenoblade is clooooose. gogo DKC2!
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So how many people have a bracket going? If there's enough we should do an internal leaderboard for TL members.
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I feel mildly ill seeing that Half-Life lost in the first round. I'm a huge fan of FFX, possibly my favorite FF ever even though I liked FFVII, FFVIII, and FFIX as well, but it can't hold a candle to what HL accomplished for gaming. I guess everyone has different tastes and perspectives but it's really crazy that two games of this caliber met so early in the tournament so to speak. Both should be in the closing half of the tournament.
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Deus Ex was so amazing, so sad to me to see it get destroyed like this
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On November 12 2015 03:12 deth2munkies wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2015 02:03 Fighter wrote:
Metroid Prime vs. Morrowind is such a bittersweet match for me. Two of my favorite games, and Morrowind SO underrated since everyone loves Skyrim. Honestly, Morrowind is and has been overrated pretty much since Oblivion came out. Everyone keeps saying Morrowind was the last good one, when really it is exactly the same formulaic game that Oblivion and Skyrim are just with worse graphics, controls, and UI, all things that have gotten better as the series advances. Whereas Metroid Prime was the best game in the Metroid series, a fresh, new take on both platforming and FPS on console, and an all around beautiful game both in terms of graphics and music. I'd take Prime any day.
Woah, I cannot even begin to say how strongly I disagree with you on Morrowind vs. Oblivion. Oblivion held your hand through EVERYTHING. There was no reason to explore, just follow the arrow. Oh, and you want to experiment with enchantment or potion making? Too bad, cuz that shit all got dumbed WAY down.
The ONLY things that Oblivion did better is the sort of stuff that the casual Elder Scrolls fan enjoys. It was all surface polish, with no depth. Even dungeons and loot were randomized, so there was no fun in exploring any particular place, because it didn't matter, all that mattered was your level.
Oblivion was the beginning of the end for that series, and everyone who says that Morrowind was the last good one is dead on.
But yeah Metroid Prime was fantastic. Ain't nothing bad I can say about that game.
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On November 15 2015 14:22 Draconicfire wrote:
So how many people have a bracket going? If there's enough we should do an internal leaderboard for TL members.
We should totally set this up!
I'm not doing so great though. Currently at 35 points.
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Hm. Actually there's no way to link your bracket is there.
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WoW losing to Chrono Cross is making me a bit sad.
Mostly because I have WoW going to the division finals (I'm not sure what I was thinking tbh). But also because I genuinely liked WoW.
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Looks like Chrono Cross was actually a good game, maybe I shouldn't have skipped playing it...
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StarCraft vs. Destiny soon...
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konadora
Singapore66161 Posts
how did unchartered win the walking dead
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How did Okami win vs. WC3 O_o
I like Okami but man - it's Warcraft 3
In general PC games are not very lucky in this contest, apart from Half Life 2. Destiny will win vs. Starcraft for sure.
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Okami had a massive following on Gfaqs. There were some intense twilight princess vs Okami threads.
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On November 18 2015 20:31 shin ken wrote:
How did Okami win vs. WC3 O_o
I like Okami but man - it's Warcraft 3
In general PC games are not very lucky in this contest, apart from Half Life 2. Destiny will win vs. Starcraft for sure.
That makes me pretty much sadder than any other head-to-head result so far.
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BG2 losing to Banjo Kazooie tells you everything you need to know about the people who vote on this site
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On November 18 2015 22:06 bardtown wrote:
BG2 losing to Banjo Kazooie tells you everything you need to know about the people who vote on this site
If it is on console it wins?
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Starcraft gets some respect on that site, or at least it used to a long time ago. I remember when TL/B.net bonded together and voted in mass to get this result: www.gamefaqs.com
If it can beat a Zelda title, it can beat Destiny!
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On November 18 2015 22:06 bardtown wrote:
BG2 losing to Banjo Kazooie tells you everything you need to know about the people who vote on this site
That people have great taste in adventure games? Got it.
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On November 19 2015 01:09 LordOfDabu wrote:Starcraft gets some respect on that site, or at least it used to a long time ago. I remember when TL/B.net bonded together and voted in mass to get this result: www.gamefaqs.comIf it can beat a Zelda title, it can beat Destiny!
Holy shit hahahaha
And that's just WW... not even OoT or MM.
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Now that's a result I like to see
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I was nervous about this match, glad to see Starcraft destroying Destiny like it should be
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This makes me happy
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Switzerland2194 Posts
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Round one over. I'm at 51 points.
Division 4 and 7 hurt me pretty hard.
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half life 2 beat demon's souls? are you kidding me? HL2 is such a trash game, i have no idea why it gets the love that it does, the only appealing thing about it was the engine... demon's souls on the other hand rebirthed a whole genre... golden eye beating diablo 2? really?
chrono cross is an amazing game, but better than early WoW? i dunno.. but if you take later WoW into account, CC destroys it.
why is BoI rebirth on there? the original is better.. also where's FTL... this list seems really weird
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FFX beats Half Life
Smash Bros Melee beats Portal
Smash Bros WiiU beats Planescape Torment (!!!)
GoldenEye beats Diablo II
Okami beats WarCraft3
Banjo Kazooie beats Baldur's Gate II
Chrono Cross beats WoW
Fallout: New Vegas beats Bioshock Infinite
I think i'm done with life.
If this is the world i'm living in ... i don't want to carry on ... dear God, please release me from this suffering ...
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On November 21 2015 20:01 iXphobos wrote:FFX beats Half Life Smash Bros Melee beats Portal Smash Bros WiiU beats Planescape Torment (!!!) GoldenEye beats Diablo II Okami beats WarCraft3 Banjo Kazooie beats Baldur's Gate II Chrono Cross beats WoW Fallout: New Vegas beats Bioshock Infinite I think i'm done with life. If this is the world i'm living in ... i don't want to carry on ... dear God, please release me from this suffering ...
Okami beats WarCraft3
Banjo Kazooie beats Baldur's Gate II
Are the only two I wouldn't agree with as reasonable or a wash out. WC3 because of DotA that has led to LoL, the biggest game I know of. Banjo I don't really care about.
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Half Life is a milestone in the FPS genre. It completely redefined storytelling in FPS games. And by the way it was the starting point to this little thing we call Steam.
Gets beaten by some mediocre Final Fantasy. -.-
While Smash Bros is a great game, Portal was a (although a small, but nontheless) revolution in gamedesign (and storytelling somehow )
I don't think i have to say anything about Planescape Torment. That's a no brainer. xD
GoldenEye is fun, but Diablo II ... i mean it's considered the best game Blizzard ever made by a lot of people for a reason, right?
Just the impact WoW had on the gaming world makes it win there.
Bioshock Infinite's fantastic story makes this a no brainer as well.
That's all just my opinion of course. I really like these strange outcomes. Makes you think about how the gaming world and gamer society changes over the years.
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On November 21 2015 20:01 iXphobos wrote:FFX beats Half Life Smash Bros Melee beats Portal Smash Bros WiiU beats Planescape Torment (!!!) GoldenEye beats Diablo II Okami beats WarCraft3 Banjo Kazooie beats Baldur's Gate II Chrono Cross beats WoW Fallout: New Vegas beats Bioshock Infinite I think i'm done with life. If this is the world i'm living in ... i don't want to carry on ... dear God, please release me from this suffering ...
Melee is definitely fine. Banjo Kazooie depends on which genre you prefer and Chrono Cross depends on the version of WoW. Those three I can agree with. But apart from that...(+ I don't care about the last one).
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On November 21 2015 20:28 iXphobos wrote:Half Life is a milestone in the FPS genre. It completely redefined storytelling in FPS games. And by the way it was the starting point to this little thing we call Steam. Gets beaten by some mediocre Final Fantasy. -.- While Smash Bros is a great game, Portal was a (although a small, but nontheless) revolution in gamedesign (and storytelling somehow ) I don't think i have to say anything about Planescape Torment. That's a no brainer. xD GoldenEye is fun, but Diablo II ... i mean it's considered the best game Blizzard ever made by a lot of people for a reason, right? Just the impact WoW had on the gaming world makes it win there. Bioshock Infinite's fantastic story makes this a no brainer as well. That's all just my opinion of course. I really like these strange outcomes. Makes you think about how the gaming world and gamer society changes over the years.
i really don't see how half life 2 is a milestone in fps, nor do i see how it was a starting point for steam given steam was already out way before if i remember correctly... if anything, CS1.6 should be in its place 1000 times over..
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On November 21 2015 21:23 Endymion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2015 20:28 iXphobos wrote:Half Life is a milestone in the FPS genre. It completely redefined storytelling in FPS games. And by the way it was the starting point to this little thing we call Steam. Gets beaten by some mediocre Final Fantasy. -.- While Smash Bros is a great game, Portal was a (although a small, but nontheless) revolution in gamedesign (and storytelling somehow ) I don't think i have to say anything about Planescape Torment. That's a no brainer. xD GoldenEye is fun, but Diablo II ... i mean it's considered the best game Blizzard ever made by a lot of people for a reason, right? Just the impact WoW had on the gaming world makes it win there. Bioshock Infinite's fantastic story makes this a no brainer as well. That's all just my opinion of course. I really like these strange outcomes. Makes you think about how the gaming world and gamer society changes over the years. i really don't see how half life 2 is a milestone in fps, nor do i see how it was a starting point for steam given steam was already out way before if i remember correctly... if anything, CS1.6 should be in its place 1000 times over..
It's about Half Life, not the sequel.
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hmm i would be interested but then knowing gamefaqs where they vote link every character battle [despite having no actual characterization pretty much] dropped my interest.
i remember the year draven beat link and gamefaqs went up in rage saying it was hacked and fake.
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On November 21 2015 20:28 iXphobos wrote:
Just the impact WoW had on the gaming world makes it win there.
Bioshock Infinite's fantastic story makes this a no brainer as well.
I am just going to comment on these two. WoW did nothing new. It was an iterating MMO that happened to hit a good timing and got biggest due to it. Something like Everquest or Ultima online has had more impact on game development.
Bioshock Infinite was a good game. I wouldn't recommend it for over $5 personally though. The combat system was pretty bad, the special abilities tacked on and the story wasn't as good for me as you make it sound. It was fun for playing through once and then more or less forget about. (I think that way about most FPS games.)
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There's a good reason they stopped with these kind of battles... because it was simply a popularity contest. When L-block from Tetris won the character battle you know it was going downhill. Just like some DOTA2 hero won a contest recently simply cause they have the most players.
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Yeah I'm salty that GoldenEye beat Diablo II too, but that's what happens with popularity contests
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How is the Warcraft franchise doing SO BAD.
Seriously, WoW losing in the first round really messed up my bracket.
edit: 53 points at the end of the first round.
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On November 21 2015 21:30 Lucumo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2015 21:23 Endymion wrote:On November 21 2015 20:28 iXphobos wrote:Half Life is a milestone in the FPS genre. It completely redefined storytelling in FPS games. And by the way it was the starting point to this little thing we call Steam. Gets beaten by some mediocre Final Fantasy. -.- While Smash Bros is a great game, Portal was a (although a small, but nontheless) revolution in gamedesign (and storytelling somehow ) I don't think i have to say anything about Planescape Torment. That's a no brainer. xD GoldenEye is fun, but Diablo II ... i mean it's considered the best game Blizzard ever made by a lot of people for a reason, right? Just the impact WoW had on the gaming world makes it win there. Bioshock Infinite's fantastic story makes this a no brainer as well. That's all just my opinion of course. I really like these strange outcomes. Makes you think about how the gaming world and gamer society changes over the years. i really don't see how half life 2 is a milestone in fps, nor do i see how it was a starting point for steam given steam was already out way before if i remember correctly... if anything, CS1.6 should be in its place 1000 times over.. It's about Half Life, not the sequel.
ah sorry i misread ^^
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On November 21 2015 22:17 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Yeah I'm salty that GoldenEye beat Diablo II too, but that's what happens with popularity contests
Goldeneye beats Diablo II anytime
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And there goes HL2
Never played super metroid so I can't really judge but man, so sad.
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On November 24 2015 16:28 Laurens wrote:
And there goes HL2
Never played super metroid so I can't really judge but man, so sad.
Metroid Prime is a really really really good game and IMO, the best Metroid. Half Life 2 is obviously top-notch too but if it's gonna lose, I think Metroid Prime is a fine game to lose to
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Metroid Prime was just boring to me.
I have seen some speedruns and it seems later in the game, the fighting gets actually kinda fun/challenging... But the first few hours (made it till the icegolemthing, then stopped) it just bored me.
I really liked HL2 and i'm normally not an SP-FPS/Egoshooter guy, that game had just brilliant pacing and some really cool sections (go my little insects, gooo :D)
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3/4 are Nintendo winners today! 
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On November 24 2015 16:28 Laurens wrote:
And there goes HL2
Never played super metroid so I can't really judge but man, so sad.
Behind Broodwar, Metroid prime was probably my favorite game of all time... but then I've never played halflife, although I'm aware of how impactful it was. This shouldn't have been a shocking loss no matter which way it went - just two games that were both great in different ways running into each other too early. Such is bracketology.
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All the Zeldas still going strong xD
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I don't agree with the new system they have where you need to vote in every battle.I haven't even played half of these games so who am i to judge? Just let me vote on games that i have played.
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Or you could, you know, lie. Like everybody else.
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You don't need to vote in every game.
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Yeah you can just vote for some of them and then submit.
Starcraft's got another match tomorrow! I want to see how far it can get. I was happy to see it completely crush Destiny but I think Mass Effect is much stiffer competition.
Really sad to see Pokemon beat Mario 3 though. That's probably the worst result of the contest so far.
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Starcraft should be right up there. Truly a great and you only have to visit sites like teamliquid to see how many people are still passionate about the game after all these years. If another game has to beat it then hopefully it is an infinity engine cRPG or something. I wouldn't mind Dark Souls or FFVII either as I am very fond of those games. Maybe Wc3.
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Oh wow Smash Bros knocked out PS:T. Wc3 slain by Okami. And BG2 beaten by Banjo Kazooie! Guess gamefaqs are a bit console gamer heavy :p
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StarCraft match up again!
This round has not been kind to my bracket.
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Starcraft's currently losing
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It's gaining though. I have full faith that the gaming community will have Starcraft prevail today.
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I hate Skyrim so much. It's a good game, but jeez, is not even close to many games there and people love it so much...u.u
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49/51 starcraft is down.Lets get those votes in people.
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49.54% come onnn
Currently 5816 votes for SC and 5925 for ME2, that's one of the closest matchups in the tournament so far.
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Today is the day to vote for StarCraft!!!
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We just dropped below 50%
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1000 votes away
Someone with a connection to a streamer needs to make something happen.
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Coming back a little bit, was 1400 a couple hours back.
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Aww starcraft lost. When I last checked we were 400 ahead, too bad.
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Mario RPG vs. Chrono Cross is one of the hardest decisions I will make in my lifetime.
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So happy to see Pokemon steamrolling.
The image today of red/blue in Cerulean and whatever the other city is... such nostalgia man, where my GBC at.
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I'm worried for SMW though. It doesn't deserve to lose to Undertale. Especially not through a rally like this.
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What the hell is Undertale? I watched the trailer for it and it looks like the lamest game ever. Is it a troll pick or something, since it's already beaten Mass Effect and Fallout?
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It's an indie game that appeals to the niche demographic that Tumblr loves. They've been rallying for it every round. Both Mass Effect and Fallout (and SMW now) were winning in the beginning by huge margins before the Tumblr rallies began and pushed it to victory.
Apparently it has a pretty devoted fanbase.
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So basically yes That's unfortunate, especially if it beats SMW.
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Well, it's up against Pokemon next round if it wins. Tumblr might not be so effective rallying against Pokemon.
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Haven't checked this in a while, but holy crap, I got the ENTIRE second round of division III wrong.
Damn. But seriously, Undertale? Is an indie game really that popular? I think I saw a youtube video on it once, but I did not expect it to do this well at all.
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On December 01 2015 21:58 Fighter wrote:
Haven't checked this in a while, but holy crap, I got the ENTIRE second round of division III wrong.
Damn. But seriously, Undertale? Is an indie game really that popular? I think I saw a youtube video on it once, but I did not expect it to do this well at all.
apparently no one has ever played yume nikki, because it's undertale level of indie just 1000x better without idiotic sjw undertones
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But the SJW undertones is why Tumblr cares apparently.
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ffs SMW lost to that dumb game -.-'
I get that it's a popularity contest, but that Undertale game shouldn't have even made it into the bracket to begin with.
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On December 01 2015 20:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
What the hell is Undertale? I watched the trailer for it and it looks like the lamest game ever. Is it a troll pick or something, since it's already beaten Mass Effect and Fallout?
It's basically Earthbound but will make you cry manly, manly tears for days.
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On December 02 2015 10:48 deth2munkies wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 20:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
What the hell is Undertale? I watched the trailer for it and it looks like the lamest game ever. Is it a troll pick or something, since it's already beaten Mass Effect and Fallout? It's basically Earthbound but will make you cry manly, manly tears for days.
And minus Ness
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Oh wow Undertale came back, and it was so far behind.
It better not beat Pokemon :O
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Yeah Starcraft losing to Mass Effect 2 was the final nail in the coffin. I mean I like ME2, it's a decent game, but come on..
It is just a case now whether the weeaboo console brigade vote will outdo the SJW tumblr vote to seal the deal and end this travesty.
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Super metroid vs Majora's Mask currently 6788 votes to 6790 that's pretty insane
Also good on Gamefaqs for rigging the brackets so that OoT and ALttP will meet each other in Quarters already
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Both are great games but I hope that Majora wins! 49.99% to 50.01% right now lol.
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Dark Souls and A Link to the Past are up against one another, my two favourite games of all time.
Not sure which one I would vote for. Thank god I don't have to.
Castlevania: SOTN beat DKC2, what the fork?
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I know so few of these titles.... :o
Am I getting old?
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Most of them are pretty old to be honest.
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I'm 24 and there's a fair few games in the list I don't know.
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On December 04 2015 20:43 Cascade wrote:
I know so few of these titles.... :o
Am I getting old?
Most of these are older rather than newer imo (SNES, N64, etc.). Maybe you're too young lol. I'm 27 and recognize pretty much all of these titles.
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lol FF6 vs FF7 in division finals...
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Super Metroid vs. Majora's Mask. Literally my two favorite games of all time. One of them has completely-perfect level design, controls, atmosphere, music, and no distracting narrative so you can focus on the genius gameplay. The other has completely perfect level design, controls, atmosphere, music, and one of the most beautifully simple and compelling narratives ever put into a game.
I feel like I'm having to pick between my children or something.
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Super Metroid vs. Majora's Mask is basically a question of whether narrative should serve gameplay, or should gameplay serve narrative. I'm conflicted because I think there's room in the world of game design for both types of games. In this case, each represents the peak apex of their respective camps.
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On December 04 2015 20:34 DickMcFanny wrote:Castlevania: SOTN beat DKC2, what the fork?
Eh, I don't have a problem with it. DKC2 is one of my favorite games of all time, it definitely has my favorite soundtrack of all time and playing the game or hearing the music gives me a ton of nostalgia. But SOTN is also a really really good game with an amazing soundtrack of its own.
The real injustice in this tournament is StarCraft losing, as well as Undertale winning.
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Having played Undertale, it really is an incredible game, just from a gameplay perspective. If the game's social messages resonate with you (and they aren't particularly 'anvilicious', if you will) then it just makes it that much better.
That said I don't think you can reasonably put any game released in the last year or two in a discussion of 'greatest game ever'. Part of the discussion of 'greatest game ever' is the impact a game has on game design following its release and whether the acclaim for the game will remain for years or eventually die down. For that reason I don't think Undertale even deserves to be up for consideration. And it's definitely not as influential as almost any mainline Super Mario game, let alone one of the best.
I suspect Bioshock will remain famous in perpetuity due to the incredibly genius way the gameplay serves the narrative, but I don't think the same is true of Bioshock: Infinite. Bioshock gave people the opportunity to see the downsides of unrestrained capitalism, both in the narrative, and in the gameplay. In the early game, before you know how to play very well, every engagement demands some calculation. Will you earn enough money from fighting to justify that fight? If you get hurt badly enough and expend too much ammo, it's entirely possible you'll spend more on recovering than you earn. In this way, the game has you thinking of capitalism in a very tangible way, even outside of the narrative. If you're not good at shooter games, it's entirely possible to achieve a failure state where you can't make enough money to progress.
In Bioshock: Infinite, none of the above is true. The narrative appears to be about racism and unrestrained power, but the gameplay has next to nothing to say about those things, and is otherwise pretty generic. The intro is pretty incredible (up until about twenty minutes after the first very jarring moment of intense violence), and there are are few pretty incredible set pieces revolving around rescuing Elizabeth (from the Mechanical Bird, and from the time-travelling asylum prison) but otherwise outside of those two segments, the game is pretty bleh.
So to me, a game that is narrative-driven really has to say something incredible and have gameplay that serves the narrative goals in order to even be in the discussion as one of the 'greatest ever'.
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On December 05 2015 01:27 GoShox wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2015 20:34 DickMcFanny wrote:Castlevania: SOTN beat DKC2, what the fork? Eh, I don't have a problem with it. DKC2 is one of my favorite games of all time, it definitely has my favorite soundtrack of all time and playing the game or hearing the music gives me a ton of nostalgia. But SOTN is also a really really good game with an amazing soundtrack of its own. The real injustice in this tournament is StarCraft losing, as well as Undertale winning.
I have litterally never heard of Undertale before today but I'm seeing 10/10's everywhere.... Even watching some gameplay/whatever I don't understand how it is better than Super Mario World.
edit: I mean, can it really be better than Pokemon red/blue? Really? How?
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I'll agree on this understale game, i've never heard of it in my life yet it beat super mario world. Its gotta have a large fan base or something for it to get this far.
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On December 05 2015 02:13 Chro wrote:
I'll agree on this understale game, i've never heard of it in my life yet it beat super mario world. Its gotta have a large fan base or something for it to get this far.
The people who like it really like it and think its great. I think it is a well put together game that deserves all the praise it received, but not my personal best game of all time.
The most entertaining part about this entire process is watching people lose their minds that Undertale might win over games they prefer. Very enjoyable.
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On December 05 2015 02:13 Chro wrote:
I'll agree on this understale game, i've never heard of it in my life yet it beat super mario world. Its gotta have a large fan base or something for it to get this far.
From what's been said earlier, apparently it's just tumblr or some other group that decided to band together and basically troll this contest.
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I'm hesitant to dismiss them out of hand, perhaps it's really a masterpiece of a game. It's gotten overwhelmingly positive reviews on steam and steam users aren't the pathetic tumblr bunch.
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On December 05 2015 06:52 DickMcFanny wrote:
I'm hesitant to dismiss them out of hand, perhaps it's really a masterpiece of a game. It's gotten overwhelmingly positive reviews on steam and steam users aren't the pathetic tumblr bunch.
You do know that the "tumblr people" have steam accounts, right? There is no law preventing them from having both.
Its really just a good game with compelling story and mechanics that these mythical "tumblr people that happen to play vidoe games" also like. There are plenty of "HARD CORE TRUE GAMERS" that also enjoyed it.
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Oh really, I thought they were busy inventing new genders on Tumblr.
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Whatever helps you feel superior.
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First round of the division finals today.
My bracket has completely died.
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Wow, Shadow of the Colossus lost to MGS. Didn't expect that.
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Well, this isn't so much about the best games as it is about the most popular.
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It's basically games with communities that can rally vs. games with no community. Chrono Trigger vs. Melee and Super Mario World vs. Undertale are basically the same thing. Chrono Trigger and Mario World are both classics on the SNES, which is quite the compliment considering the SNES catalog was loaded with good games. However, Melee and Undertale have current communities that can grab a bunch of people to vote just for the sake of voting for the game they like. It's pretty unfair to old games, but that's just the way it is I suppose
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What % of voters do you think owned a SNES though?
The only reason why I've even heard of Chrono Trigger is, funnily enough, previous gfaqs tournaments.
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Every true gamer has played Chrono Trigger, either to confirm that it is an awesome game... or that JRPGs are not his kind of game.
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Alas, I am not a true gamer by the standards of Salteador Neo, my life is in shambles.
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I'm so sad CT is going to lose to Melee.
I mean, Melee isn't bad. But it's Chrono Trigger.
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Yeah but Melee actually has a competitive scene and is actually still popular with kids who grew up after the SNES era. CT is pretty classic, but Melee is actually still relevant. CT getting this far sounds about right to me, although Undertale shouldn't have gotten this far.
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I really hope Pokemon smashes Undertale.
But I'm worried.
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Pokemon and Super Mario 64 should be the clear winners... but we'll see...
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These are the easiest Division finals. Mario 64 and Pokemon ezpz.
The next one is kinda easy too, beacuse Ocarina of Time should beat Castlevania (<3) and the other Zeldas.
Now, with SMRPG vs RE4 and MGS vs MGS3 it gets interesting.
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It's not looking good for Pokemon right now though.
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It's 3000 votes ahead.
Granted that's what happened in the previous rounds with Undertale as well, suddenly the Tumblr support rolls in and it rapidly gets thousands of votes.
Hopefully not today.
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Well nothing is pointing that Pokemon is performing better than SMW right now. SMW lost the lead late morning so we'll see if that happens with Pokemon. Rallies are already happening so I'm assuming it'll keep going. Just a matter of whether or not Pokemon has the lasting power that SMW didn't have.
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It'd be great if Twitch players/ viewers could rally together to wreck the Undertale groupies... I'm thinking of how awesome/ popular "Twitch Plays Pokemon" was.
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The lead is still increasing. I have faith.
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Honestly I liked Undertale. I do think it is a bit trollish to consider the game for "best ever" but then again this whole contest has been one big fiasco as far as I am concerned.
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On December 08 2015 05:26 Laurens wrote:
Alas, I am not a true gamer by the standards of Salteador Neo, my life is in shambles.
There is still hope for you, emulators are always a click away
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On December 08 2015 02:53 Salteador Neo wrote:
Every true gamer has played Chrono Trigger, either to confirm that it is an awesome game... or that JRPGs are not his kind of game.
Every true gamer should have played the shit out of a variety of SNES games because there were SOOO MANY great ones (and also horrible ones but who cares :p).
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On December 08 2015 23:31 Sbrubbles wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2015 05:26 Laurens wrote:
Alas, I am not a true gamer by the standards of Salteador Neo, my life is in shambles. There is still hope for you, emulators are always a click away
I might give it a try. Loved Golden Sun: TLA and I think that qualifies as JRPG so Chrono Trigger can't be bad. I just never owned a SNES. Too busy with Starcraft and Xenoblade atm though.
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On December 09 2015 00:26 Laurens wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2015 23:31 Sbrubbles wrote:On December 08 2015 05:26 Laurens wrote:
Alas, I am not a true gamer by the standards of Salteador Neo, my life is in shambles. There is still hope for you, emulators are always a click away I might give it a try. Loved Golden Sun: TLA and I think that qualifies as JRPG so Chrono Trigger can't be bad. I just never owned a SNES. Too busy with Starcraft and Xenoblade atm though.
You can also play Chrono Trigger for the DS; regardless of what platform you use, it's definitely worth playing
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CT such a good game, replayed it multiple times.
Digimon world 3 though was my childhood.
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On December 09 2015 00:26 Laurens wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2015 23:31 Sbrubbles wrote:On December 08 2015 05:26 Laurens wrote:
Alas, I am not a true gamer by the standards of Salteador Neo, my life is in shambles. There is still hope for you, emulators are always a click away I might give it a try. Loved Golden Sun: TLA and I think that qualifies as JRPG so Chrono Trigger can't be bad. I just never owned a SNES. Too busy with Starcraft and Xenoblade atm though.
I wouldn't worry too much about Chrono Trigger really if you haven't played it. If you are short on time then there are better games within the RPG realm like Arcanum, Planescape: Torment, Baldur's Gate 2, Fallout: NV and Dark Souls to name a few. I think most people have a boner for Chrono Trigger like I do for FFVII. It's a solid game, but I am overly sentimental about the game to judge it fairly.
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On December 09 2015 03:57 KrOeastbound wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2015 00:26 Laurens wrote:On December 08 2015 23:31 Sbrubbles wrote:On December 08 2015 05:26 Laurens wrote:
Alas, I am not a true gamer by the standards of Salteador Neo, my life is in shambles. There is still hope for you, emulators are always a click away I might give it a try. Loved Golden Sun: TLA and I think that qualifies as JRPG so Chrono Trigger can't be bad. I just never owned a SNES. Too busy with Starcraft and Xenoblade atm though. I wouldn't worry too much about Chrono Trigger really if you haven't played it. If you are short on time then there are better games within the RPG realm like Arcanum, Planescape: Torment, Baldur's Gate 2, Fallout: NV and Dark Souls to name a few. I think most people have a boner for Chrono Trigger like I do for FFVII. It's a solid game, but I am overly sentimental about the game to judge it fairly.
Heavily disagree. I played it very recently without ever having touched it as a kid and absolutely loved it. It's not a nostalgia thing, the game is just that good.
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Pokemon is still ahead by 2,200 votes
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Pokemon is now losing by 300.
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Pokemon vs a game I've never heard of
Super Mario World vs...Skyrim...?
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On December 09 2015 07:47 GoShox wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2015 03:57 KrOeastbound wrote:On December 09 2015 00:26 Laurens wrote:On December 08 2015 23:31 Sbrubbles wrote:On December 08 2015 05:26 Laurens wrote:
Alas, I am not a true gamer by the standards of Salteador Neo, my life is in shambles. There is still hope for you, emulators are always a click away I might give it a try. Loved Golden Sun: TLA and I think that qualifies as JRPG so Chrono Trigger can't be bad. I just never owned a SNES. Too busy with Starcraft and Xenoblade atm though. I wouldn't worry too much about Chrono Trigger really if you haven't played it. If you are short on time then there are better games within the RPG realm like Arcanum, Planescape: Torment, Baldur's Gate 2, Fallout: NV and Dark Souls to name a few. I think most people have a boner for Chrono Trigger like I do for FFVII. It's a solid game, but I am overly sentimental about the game to judge it fairly. Heavily disagree. I played it very recently without ever having touched it as a kid and absolutely loved it. It's not a nostalgia thing, the game is just that good.
I second that. I played CT as an adult, and is a hell of a game.
Also, if you are short on time, then you cannot play at all Torment or BG2. Both are heavly time consuming games (sadly, cose both are among the best games of all time easily).
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Wow 3/4 Zelda options! Obviously OoT >>> Castlevania, but the ZvZ is close... going with MM over A Link to the Past. Recently played MM again and oh man it is amazing But I have an affinity for N64 in general.
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The MM picture is amazing.
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Wtf...Undertale... ¬¬
Edit: I may be ending playing it to see if it is that good. Almost imposible to be as good as Pokemon tho..
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Unbelievable. It's L-block all over again.
I'm sure the FF7 crowd will sort it out.. maybe.. hopefully.
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Haha, this competition basically lost it's credibility in round 1.
But it's really funny to see the impact certain communities have when mobilized.
I wonder what would have happened if we had made a full TL StarCraft vote-mob.
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Especially Russia / East Europe seems to love Undertale. Well... I do hope it doesn't win it all, but if it does, it will be hilarious.
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On December 09 2015 07:47 GoShox wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2015 03:57 KrOeastbound wrote:On December 09 2015 00:26 Laurens wrote:On December 08 2015 23:31 Sbrubbles wrote:On December 08 2015 05:26 Laurens wrote:
Alas, I am not a true gamer by the standards of Salteador Neo, my life is in shambles. There is still hope for you, emulators are always a click away I might give it a try. Loved Golden Sun: TLA and I think that qualifies as JRPG so Chrono Trigger can't be bad. I just never owned a SNES. Too busy with Starcraft and Xenoblade atm though. I wouldn't worry too much about Chrono Trigger really if you haven't played it. If you are short on time then there are better games within the RPG realm like Arcanum, Planescape: Torment, Baldur's Gate 2, Fallout: NV and Dark Souls to name a few. I think most people have a boner for Chrono Trigger like I do for FFVII. It's a solid game, but I am overly sentimental about the game to judge it fairly. Heavily disagree. I played it very recently without ever having touched it as a kid and absolutely loved it. It's not a nostalgia thing, the game is just that good.
Same here, except I played it twice. Once about 3 or 4 years ago (was 24-25 back then) and again last year. Game is really great.
Except Skyrim, MGS3 and Undertale I think all the other games belong in the top 10 or 20. People getting mad about their WoW or whatever other game losing is funny for me, I don't think there were that many "outrageous" results tbh.
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undertale beat
ME3
fallout 3
super Mario world
and pokemon red/blue, huh...
pretty hard to believe LOL
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I wouldn't worry too much about Chrono Trigger really if you haven't played it. If you are short on time then there are better games within the RPG realm like Arcanum, Planescape: Torment, Baldur's Gate 2, Fallout: NV and Dark Souls to name a few. I think most people have a boner for Chrono Trigger like I do for FFVII. It's a solid game, but I am overly sentimental about the game to judge it fairly.
hmm, personally don't think most of those are better games in the sense that they can do no wrong/can't be bad. it's pretty easy to lose interest these days, I agree it can be the same case with chrono trigger as well.
however, arcanum, planescape, BG2, and even fallout:nv (rather, just the front 3) are aimed towards the PC rpg gamers. the top-down isometric view, strategic combat pace and even roleplaying at points are all a bit on the niche side . however, it you took just the music from CT, you would be hard-pressed to find any gamer at any point in time who actually dislikes it.
none of those games aside for maybe dark souls is very short either. time is definitely not the reason for not picking up an RPG. you honestly may as well go with undertale or game with mixed genres then.
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On December 09 2015 14:02 Draconicfire wrote:
The MM picture is amazing.
Fierce Deity ftw :D
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close battle between the Zeldas.
I'm rooting for aLttP, nostalgia :O
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Undertale is legitimately better than ME3 or Fallout 3. I'd argue it has the power to be more influential than those games, if it reached a wider audience. It's a real candidate for one of the best 'games as art' games of all time, up there with Majora's Mask, Shadows of the Colossus, the Last of Us and Bioshock. It's arguably better than Super Mario World (arguably the worst pre-2000 Mario Bros. platormer game). Hell it's probably more deserving of Game of the Year than anything short of maybe Bloodborne (maybe).
But I can't buy it as a 'greater' game than Pokemon. Pokemon is great for twelve dozen reasons, not the least of which is its legacy. There are people twenty years later who dedicate most of their life to Pokemon. It was a huge market force that essentially led to a whole wave of cross-marketed products. The Pokemon anime helped make an entire generation of people aware of Japanese media. And at the heart of the media blitz and Pokemon craze was the games: they are legitimately astonishing.
The technical accomplishment that was making and putting Pokemon Red/Blue/Green onto a Game Boy cartridge cannot be understated. It is unquestionably the biggest, most complex and exciting adventure on the console of the original Game Boy, with unbelievable replay value and depth. The entire game of Pokemon Blue takes up less than Pokemon Blue is 376* KB of ROM. The original Game Boy had only 8 KB of RAM, so they had to use all kinds of tricks and careful memory management in order to even make such a game possible.
The game was written in assembly so it's basically a step above ones and zeros. Somehow they crammed a game in there among the sprites for 151 unique, different creatures (front and back) with their own stats and elements and characteristics. Into that space, they also crammed art assets for the tileset, buildings, and all the other characters and their walking animations, etc. etc. It's kind of mind-boggling considering a single art asset nowadays might take up significantly more than the entire Pokemon game. Open up a random PDF file. I can almost guarantee it's bigger than all of Pokemon, even if it's only a one page image. And they somehow managed to work with all that stuff in only 8KB of memory!?
Hell if you copied and pasted this post into a notepad file, it already takes up more space than the entire fucking memory the Game Boy even had. So it's a wonder they could fit all that stuff on there and make it work.
Pokemon essentially created the notion of 'catching em all' and instilled a sort of completionist fervor upon gaming that has affected the whole industry ever since. It is undoubtedly the best RPG on that console, and each Pokemon game since has consistently been one the best games on its own console... it's a testament to the good fundamental game design concept that was Pokemon. To this day there are portable games that offer less depth and enjoyment and complexity than the original Pokemon... not to mention obviously much less than its various successors. Undertale is incrdible but holy fuck how could someone think it's "greater" than Pokemon. And where was the unbelievably massive Pokemon fanbase in all this stuff?
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TLoU is an overrated ok game
Pokemon is an awful ad that somehow worked as a game
This is what happens when you give a voice to everyone :D
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Pokemon (the gameboy game) came way before the animated series...
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First day of the quarterfinals.
Thoughts are that Undertale is going to crush Mario so hard once morning hits America and that I'm sad FF7 is losing against melee.
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Oh hah. Already in the lead and it's not even midnight on the west coast.
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On December 11 2015 15:04 Draconicfire wrote:
First day of the quarterfinals.
Thoughts are that Undertale is going to crush Mario so hard once morning hits America and that I'm sad FF7 is losing against melee.
Cheer/Vote for FF7! <3
Undertale is gonna win obviously.
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Is MGS3 really considered better than the original? I never played it, but the original was great.
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Well SM64 leading by 0.03%. Just lol, I'd love to see if anyone remembers Undertale next year, let alone still be unsurpassed in its genre 20 years later like SM64
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On December 11 2015 19:04 zeo wrote:
Well SM64 leading by 0.03%. Just lol, I'd love to see if anyone remembers Undertale next year, let alone still be unsurpassed in its genre 20 years later like SM64
Exactly my thoughts. Undertale: Best game ever 2015. Nobody remebers it 2016. xD
Also FFVII losing to Smash Brothers lolololol
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On December 11 2015 18:19 Salteador Neo wrote:
Is MGS3 really considered better than the original? I never played it, but the original was great.
It's difficult to call which is better because they're both classics. MGS3 is a fantastic game though, especially the versions with a third person camera. Apart from improvements to gameplay, the greatest strength of MGS3 compared to MGS1 is its story (which is legitimately pretty good).
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On December 11 2015 19:28 iXphobos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2015 19:04 zeo wrote:
Well SM64 leading by 0.03%. Just lol, I'd love to see if anyone remembers Undertale next year, let alone still be unsurpassed in its genre 20 years later like SM64 Exactly my thoughts. Undertale: Best game ever 2015. Nobody remebers it 2016. xD Also FFVII losing to Smash Brothers lolololol
It think Undertale will be loved by the people that love it and unknown by everyone else. Sort of like Demon and Dark Souls were loved quite a while before they became super popular.
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Undertale is winning. ffs.
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On December 11 2015 23:36 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2015 19:28 iXphobos wrote:On December 11 2015 19:04 zeo wrote:
Well SM64 leading by 0.03%. Just lol, I'd love to see if anyone remembers Undertale next year, let alone still be unsurpassed in its genre 20 years later like SM64 Exactly my thoughts. Undertale: Best game ever 2015. Nobody remebers it 2016. xD Also FFVII losing to Smash Brothers lolololol It think Undertale will be loved by the people that love it and unknown by everyone else. Sort of like Demon and Dark Souls were loved quite a while before they became super popular.
Demon/Dark Souls are AAA titles that brought back a forgotten gaming experience and got deserved credit for it by the gaming community in general.
Undertale is a one man RPG maker game that certainly deserves credit for it's writing and characters but only gets a huge amount of hype from an indy fanbase and is unknown to a lot of average gamers.
And it won't become any popular outside of this community.
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I am sure every fanbase can make the argument why their favorite game is “objectively better” from their view. Personally the best part of this is watching people lose their minds that Undertale might win. The thread claiming ISIS was behind Undertale was great satire(I need to believe it was satire).
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I'm sad FF VII is losing, it's still one of my favorite games ever. I played it again 2 years ago to see if it was just me being young, but it was still really enjoyable (although easy, guess that's cause I remembered a lot of things considering I played it through like 4 times when I was young). There was a graphics mod for it as well so it wasn't even really bad looking (on PC obv., never played it on PS).
Then again, not everyone liked it, and if more people like Smash then so be it.
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Undertale beating a masterpiece and breakthrough as Mario 64 is just the same as watching viewers numbers of Justin Bieber (had to google to check correct spelling...) vs any classical music piece / rock song.
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On December 12 2015 13:26 Belha wrote:
Undertale beating a masterpiece and breakthrough as Mario 64 is just the same as watching viewers numbers of Justin Bieber (had to google to check correct spelling...) vs any classical music piece / rock song.
Basically, "Baby" just beat "Bohemian Rhapsody".
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Wow, Super Mario RPG winning here is great.
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I have only heard amazing things about Undertale I really need to check this game out. Never thought it would have gone so far.
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I played Undertale
while the game is not bad and pretty good, It most definetely don't deserved to be up there
I mean, it won vs Pokemon and mario 64? FFS
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Rigged? Maybe not.
Rallied? Definitely.
Regardless, hoping Melee wins this so that Undertale can finally just die.
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On December 13 2015 21:27 Draconicfire wrote:
Rigged? Maybe not.
Rallied? Definitely.
Regardless, hoping Melee wins this so that Undertale can finally just die.
Sadly not gonna happen. Basically Undetale won the whole thing about a week ago or so.
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Looked up that undertale game, am I missing something or did someone just fire up a botnet for lulz or what ?
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
I have no problems with Undertale doing well here
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On December 13 2015 22:24 Plexa wrote:I have no problems with Undertale doing well here
Same, its a great game. We hope to finish it soon, but other games got in the way.
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On December 13 2015 22:19 HeatEXTEND wrote:
Looked up that undertale game, am I missing something or did someone just fire up a botnet for lulz or what ?
It was basically a tumblr troll pick that's essentially further trivializing the already-questionable popularity contest of this poll.
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On December 14 2015 03:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2015 22:19 HeatEXTEND wrote:
Looked up that undertale game, am I missing something or did someone just fire up a botnet for lulz or what ? It was basically a tumblr troll pick that's essentially further trivializing the already-questionable popularity contest of this poll.
It legitimately has a claim to game of the year, way more than a troll pick.
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It's supposed to be a best game ever contest though not game of the year
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On December 14 2015 05:27 uthgard wrote:
It's supposed to be a best game ever contest though not game of the year
Which apparently people don't understand.
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On December 14 2015 04:20 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 03:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 13 2015 22:19 HeatEXTEND wrote:
Looked up that undertale game, am I missing something or did someone just fire up a botnet for lulz or what ? It was basically a tumblr troll pick that's essentially further trivializing the already-questionable popularity contest of this poll. It legitimately has a claim to game of the year, way more than a troll pick.
Eh? It didn't even win a single award, lost out to Rocket League and Witcher 3...
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/2xc6dlG.jpg)
'best game of all time' lol
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On December 14 2015 05:30 Lucumo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 05:27 uthgard wrote:
It's supposed to be a best game ever contest though not game of the year Which apparently people don't understand.
Trying to decide the best game ever through popular was always doomed to this result. It was always going to be fanbase vs fanbase.
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On December 14 2015 04:20 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 03:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 13 2015 22:19 HeatEXTEND wrote:
Looked up that undertale game, am I missing something or did someone just fire up a botnet for lulz or what ? It was basically a tumblr troll pick that's essentially further trivializing the already-questionable popularity contest of this poll. It legitimately has a claim to game of the year, way more than a troll pick.
But that's not this poll. If there was a competition for game of the year, then it would totally make sense for it to land in the Top 8.
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On December 14 2015 05:41 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 05:30 Lucumo wrote:On December 14 2015 05:27 uthgard wrote:
It's supposed to be a best game ever contest though not game of the year Which apparently people don't understand. Trying to decide the best game ever through popular was always doomed to this result. It was always going to be fanbase vs fanbase.
This is worse though because it's hype + fanbase vs fanbase.
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On December 14 2015 07:19 Lucumo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 05:41 Plansix wrote:On December 14 2015 05:30 Lucumo wrote:On December 14 2015 05:27 uthgard wrote:
It's supposed to be a best game ever contest though not game of the year Which apparently people don't understand. Trying to decide the best game ever through popular was always doomed to this result. It was always going to be fanbase vs fanbase. This is worse though because it's hype + fanbase vs fanbase.
People can justify and make excuse all day, but straight up that game is super popular and people love it. But I am sure folks will write 10K word essays why it shouldn't be there, but such is popular voting.
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Well, this tournament is kind of starting to suck because of Undertale. You can talk about it being a fanbase popularity contest, but Warcraft didn't troll the tournament like this.
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I am sure they are having a very good time.
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Only one thing can stop Undertale now. The LAW.
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On December 11 2015 12:04 Belha wrote:
Pokemon (the gameboy game) came way before the animated series...
I'll always remember this...some years ago we met with friends every or so weekends to play on lan. Everyone brings his own PC and we played quake 3 and starcraft.
Then one weekend one of us shows a gameboy emulator with pokemon...and we all spent the weekend playing it on our own :D
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While I have nothing against SMRPG, I'm glad to see OoT winning definitively. By far the most one-sided poll in the later stages of this tournament... 2:1 votes!
It gives me hope vs. Undertale.
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In a straight-up fight, the zelda fanboys could probably hold off the tumblr army, but now they also have all the pissed off FF/SSMB/Pokemon fans behind them, I expect an easy win.
Then again that's what I said every single round with Undertale and I was always wrong -_-
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Yeah, this is just absurd, next time, when the hype is gone, this will just be one of hundreds of really good games.
I'm always surprised that Secret of Mana isn't on that list, is it just my nostalgia that rates it so highly?
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OoT should definitely win it
I'm anything but a nintendo fanboy but the game is definitely one of the best ever
preach the contest is a popularity contest as much as you want, but I'll fucking laugh my ass of if friggin Undertale win it all
@DickMcFanny
Secret of Mana probably deserved to be on the bracket, but the game not being there is not exactly controversial either.
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While my favorite game ever is Kingdom Hearts II, I'd give the award to Brood War.
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So yesterday we ended with 176k votes.
I believe we were already at 50k votes at like 9 AM UK time.
Today it's 5 PM UK time and we've just reached 50k, no way we will make 176k.
Is Tumblr actually big enough to rally 100k voters, or are some Undertale fans using botnets? xD
it's funny how the average number of votes seems to be around 60k most days, yet when Undertale is involved it's always 100k+
I've looked way too deep into this lmao. Conspiracy theorists unite.
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Clearly the Undertale fans are connected the NSA and are using its resources and bot.nets. The indie game cabal is really pushing this game(Yes, I saw someone make this last argument on twitter and they were dead serious)
Personally I think it’s a bunch lot of fans and a reasonable number of people who’s favorite game already lost jumping on. Its fan base + king makers in action.
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Well I know nothing at all about tumblr, it was a legit question. I'm sure reddit could mobilise 100k voters on a good day.
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On December 14 2015 05:37 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 04:20 Plexa wrote:On December 14 2015 03:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 13 2015 22:19 HeatEXTEND wrote:
Looked up that undertale game, am I missing something or did someone just fire up a botnet for lulz or what ? It was basically a tumblr troll pick that's essentially further trivializing the already-questionable popularity contest of this poll. It legitimately has a claim to game of the year, way more than a troll pick. Eh? It didn't even win a single award, lost out to Rocket League and Witcher 3... 'best game of all time' lol
TGA is hardly a neutral awards show so take those results with a grain of salt.
On December 14 2015 06:45 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 04:20 Plexa wrote:On December 14 2015 03:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 13 2015 22:19 HeatEXTEND wrote:
Looked up that undertale game, am I missing something or did someone just fire up a botnet for lulz or what ? It was basically a tumblr troll pick that's essentially further trivializing the already-questionable popularity contest of this poll. It legitimately has a claim to game of the year, way more than a troll pick. But that's not this poll. If there was a competition for game of the year, then it would totally make sense for it to land in the Top 8.
I agree it's not the best game of all time but calling is 'essentially a tumblr troll pick' discredits the fact that it's a very very good game.
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Easily. They don't have the public facing "subscriber numbers' like reddit does, but communities exist on tumblr and they boost the votes. There is also the steam community and general fans. Or its some crazy troll using bots, but I kinda think people would have figured that out by now.
Edit: I don't think there is such a thing as a "neutral" awards show in any medium. Awards by their nature are subjective and all require context.
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My top10 of sagas/series would be something like this (because picking single games is just too troublesome):
Super Mario
Final Fantasy
Chrono Trigger/Cross
Zelda
Half Life
MGS
Resident Evil
Starcraft
Fire Emblem
Street Figther
Fire Emblem and Street Fighter are not that popular in this GameFaqs thing, but I feel they provide some of the best quality entertainment and fun in their own genres. Warcraft should also make it but my own bias against MMOs leaves it out because of WoW. Sad about not being able to fit Fallout or Castlevania in there. As for Pokemon... loved Red/Blue as a kid but just no.
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Here's my top 40 for 'Greatest Games of all Time'. To me, 'Greatness' implies a number of things beyond merely being enjoyable or even 'good'. Greatness means a game is not merely good, but that it defines an era, or a genre, or that it was deeply influential while also simultaneously being a great game in and of itself. Age is naturally tied with this definition greatness, because only with time can it become evident that the best ideas of a game will propagate forward. As such, here is my list:
1. Super Metroid - The best gameplay experience ever. Flawless control. Perfect Atmosphere. Masterpiece level design.
2. Zelda: Majora's Mask - The best music, the most touching and emotional experience. Courageous novelty.
3. Super Mario 64 - The game that 'solved' 3D camera work. Flawless gameplay. Great level design.
4. Doom - The first true FPS. One of the most widely-installed pieces of software at one point in history.
5. Zelda: Ocarina of Time - One of the most influential games. Contextual buttons. A simple story perfectly told.
6. Starcraft: Brood War - The best balanced RTS ever with amazing gameplay. UMS made it so much more.
7. Super Mario Bros 3 - The greatest NES game. Brilliant design and an incredible technical feat on the NES.
8. Pokemon Red/Blue - An incredible technical feat on the Game Boy. Started one of the biggest gaming franchises.
9. Smash Bros. Melee - Arguably one of the best fighting games ever. Still widely played 15+ years later.
10. Megaman X - Brilliance in level design, controls, movement and music. This game *is* "game-flow".
11. Diablo II - More or less the inspiration for all modern equipment-based games, and arguably much more.
12. Warcraft III - An evolution of RTS that directly spawned DotA (and therefore Dota2, LoL, HoN, Smite, HotS etc.)
13. Call of Duty 4 - The best FPS experience ever. Not quite what many think, this is a smart anti-war "art game."
14. Super Mario RPG - Squeenix execution + Nintendo's game design novelty. Evolved RPG gameplay and a good story.
15. Mario Kart 8 - The best racing game ever. 48 incredible tracks with insane customization.
16. Metal Gear Solid - Practically invented 'cinematic'. A more focused game without the franchise baggage.
17. Street Fighter II - The first modern fighter. Command input of special moves and 'accidentally' invented 'combos'.
18. Metal Gear Solid 3 - The most beautiful MGS game, with freedom for player creativity and brilliant set-pieces
19. Undertale - An incredible 'meta' experience. Deconstructively asks questions about the medium of games and reconstructively answers those same questions in clever ways. Doesn't hurt that the game is brilliantly creative with its gameplay and has incredible music and a beautiful message. Just go play it if you haven't, don't spoil anything more. It's worth checking out. Effortlessly GOTY2015.
20. Zelda: The Wind Waker - A bold departure, and a landmark of art direction, and an incredibly beautiful game overall.
21. Bioshock - Gameplay and story interweave in a way in which few games can even aspire. *Atmosphere*!
22. Portal - Came out of nowhere. Hilarious dialogue, incredibly novel gameplay, and a great story.
23. Halo: Combat Evolved - Redefined the FPS genre. Insanely good enemy AI and vehicle gameplay. Great design.
24. Minecraft - Opened new paradigms of open-world gaming. LEGO for the millenial generation.
25. World of Warcraft - Most peoples' first MMO. Overall a very well-designed game with lots of unique experiences.
26. Tetris - Deeply influential, with addictive gameplay and music and with loads of variants available. Genre-starter.
27. Metroid Prime - One of the deepest exploration experiences around. An incredible technical feat of that era.
28. Shadow of the Colossus - A huge world, with unbelievable music and atmosphere. Sometimes less is more.
29. SMW2: "Yoshi's Island" - Incredibly gameplay and bold artistic direction. Brilliant level design.
30. Pokemon Gold/Silver - Featuring loads of content + gameplay improvements. Technically brilliant.
31. Half Life 2 - All the brilliance of HL1 with better game design, puzzles, levels. Flagship of Steam and Source.
32. Phoenix Wright - Rebirth of the visual novel. Had an actual effect on Japan's legal system.
33. Amnesia: The Dark Descent - Still the scariest horror game I've played, and made by a small indie team.
34. Bastion - A surprise gift. Incredible atmosphere and world-building anchored by brilliant voice work and music.
35. Marvel vs. Capcom 2 - One of the most chaotic and innovative fighters. "Everything" is broken. So nothing is.
36. The Last of Us - An emotionally resonant story. A gruelling journey. Vulnerability a theme in gameplay and story.
37. Goldeneye 007 - The first "real" multiplayer console FPS. Novelty with loads of creativity. Forget the framerates.
38. Zelda: A Link to the Past - The definitive 2D Zelda. More exploration and wonder "per square foot" than anywhere else.
39. Super Smash Bros - Huge hitstun, with potential for aggressive combos. Great controls. Just 'Don't get hit'!
40. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night - Beautiful!! And when you're done, play it all upside down. Dat level design.
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On December 15 2015 02:10 Laurens wrote:
So yesterday we ended with 176k votes.
I believe we were already at 50k votes at like 9 AM UK time.
Today it's 5 PM UK time and we've just reached 50k, no way we will make 176k.
Is Tumblr actually big enough to rally 100k voters, or are some Undertale fans using botnets? xD
it's funny how the average number of votes seems to be around 60k most days, yet when Undertale is involved it's always 100k+
I've looked way too deep into this lmao. Conspiracy theorists unite.
There are typically also counter rallies that go for the other guy too which inflates vote totals. For example Melee was tweeted by a bunch of random people in the community too and posted on Reddit.
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Im a terrible person who was voting for undertale. Salty that id software games weren't on the list.
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On December 15 2015 10:50 KingDime wrote:
Im a terrible person who was voting for undertale. Salty that id software games weren't on the list.
Its fine. The salt must flow. The salt much flow.
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On December 15 2015 02:22 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 05:37 zeo wrote:On December 14 2015 04:20 Plexa wrote:On December 14 2015 03:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 13 2015 22:19 HeatEXTEND wrote:
Looked up that undertale game, am I missing something or did someone just fire up a botnet for lulz or what ? It was basically a tumblr troll pick that's essentially further trivializing the already-questionable popularity contest of this poll. It legitimately has a claim to game of the year, way more than a troll pick. Eh? It didn't even win a single award, lost out to Rocket League and Witcher 3... 'best game of all time' lol TGA is hardly a neutral awards show so take those results with a grain of salt. Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 06:45 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 14 2015 04:20 Plexa wrote:On December 14 2015 03:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 13 2015 22:19 HeatEXTEND wrote:
Looked up that undertale game, am I missing something or did someone just fire up a botnet for lulz or what ? It was basically a tumblr troll pick that's essentially further trivializing the already-questionable popularity contest of this poll. It legitimately has a claim to game of the year, way more than a troll pick. But that's not this poll. If there was a competition for game of the year, then it would totally make sense for it to land in the Top 8. I agree it's not the best game of all time but calling is 'essentially a tumblr troll pick' discredits the fact that it's a very very good game.
It may be a very good game, but not even remotely close to the masterpieces it beaten in these polls.
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Haha funny poll. But even with rigging, if Undertale beats OoT then I have no faith left in humanity.
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Link needs to stand strong. I believe.
+ Show Spoiler +But Undertale looks so strong.
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Hahahaha, Undertale doing it.
Please let's get a huge TL rally going next time and make Minesweeper win it!
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On December 15 2015 18:46 iXphobos wrote:
Hahahaha, Undertale doing it.
Please let's get a huge TL rally going next time and make Minesweeper win it!
Dude, cool kids play Solitaire
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Undertale is winning decisively against OoC. Boy howdy...
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Remember the Tetris L won best character of all time.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
On December 15 2015 13:45 politik wrote:
Haha funny poll. But even with rigging, if Undertale beats OoT then I have no faith left in humanity.
undertale is a beautiful game tho
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On December 15 2015 20:06 DickMcFanny wrote:
Undertale is winning decisively against OoC. Boy howdy...
Meh, who cares if Undertale wins an internet poll, it won't make the game any better. You know, I usually like obnoxious and elitist communities (hell, that's why I love TL), but looking at the people that like Undertale just makes me feel bad for them.
The real problem are the 'look at me mom I'm trolling people on the internet XD' crowd. I know I'm getting older and there are a lot of teenagers in the gaming community but I just can't understand whats so fulfilling about voting for 'teh lulz'. 'Hurr look at all those people taking something seriously, I don't take things that seriously because I'm an enlightened intellectual, but I'll take part in this to show everyone how smart I am by making them mad'.
All the Undertale community has achieved with this 'vote' is make everyone hate the game and think that their whole community is made up of the most obnoxious kinds of tumbler snowflakes
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The only thing better than Undertale winning is the salt of the people who can't deal with it.
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On December 15 2015 20:42 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2015 20:06 DickMcFanny wrote:
Undertale is winning decisively against OoC. Boy howdy... Meh, who cares if Undertale wins an internet poll, it won't make the game any better. You know, I usually like obnoxious and elitist communities (hell, that's why I love TL), but looking at the people that like Undertale just makes me feel bad for them. The real problem are the 'look at me mom I'm trolling people on the internet XD' crowd. I know I'm getting older and there are a lot of teenagers in the gaming community but I just can't understand whats so fulfilling about voting for 'teh lulz'. 'Hurr look at all those people taking something seriously, I don't take things that seriously because I'm an enlightened intellectual, but I'll take part in this to show everyone how smart I am by making them mad'. All the Undertale community has achieved with this 'vote' is make everyone hate the game and think that their whole community is made up of the most obnoxious kinds of tumbler snowflakes
true, it won't make the game any better, hell I doubt it'll make more people actually play it either(not like it takes that long to do a run of the game in the first place)
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It definitely made more people aware of the game no doubt
but it's definitely a 100% undeserved win from my point of view
hey at least with this gamefaq can proudly and safely embrace the joke status of their contest
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On December 15 2015 20:36 Plansix wrote:
Remember the Tetris L won best character of all time.
That was different. It wasn't like the Tetris community was rallying it. L Block was a joke where everyone was in on it. But this... this is just sad.
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On December 15 2015 22:30 Fighter wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2015 20:36 Plansix wrote:
Remember the Tetris L won best character of all time. That was different. It wasn't like the Tetris community was rallying it. L Block was a joke where everyone was in on it. But this... this is just sad.
If I know the internet, I bet there were people who were not in on the greatest character joke. And this one is a bit of a joke too, but some people are mad about the joke.
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well if undertale wins its because people let it win, don't get me wrong, there are a lot of tumblr backers but come on at some point after everyone else's favorite games lost to games that would not have one on a different metric(aka not fan voting) people decided to just go full troll and decided to vote on a game that is good enough to be on someones list but doesn't have the prestige of almost every other game that its beaten just for the sake of spite against gamefaqs.
plus the most classic example of this entire poll being faulty comes from the fact that FF7 beat FF6 which is ludicrous..
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I’ve seen more than a few people post stuff along the lines of “I liked Undertale, but some of the rage about it doing so well is crazy. I know which side of this I am on.”
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On December 15 2015 23:54 Plansix wrote:
I’ve seen more than a few people post stuff along the lines of “I liked Undertale, but some of the rage about it doing so well is crazy. I know which side of this I am on.”
well any rage is acceptable as long as they don't take it out on the game itself.
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On December 15 2015 23:56 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2015 23:54 Plansix wrote:
I’ve seen more than a few people post stuff along the lines of “I liked Undertale, but some of the rage about it doing so well is crazy. I know which side of this I am on.” well any rage is acceptable as long as they don't take it out on the game itself.
Yeah, the stuff they are referencing is mostly about the fans and the “reasons” the game is popular. It was some intense baby-rage, not a true gamer, get out of my secret-clubhouse, stuff. Stuff that makes people go "I had no skin in this game, but fuck that guy. Now I'm voting just to screw him."
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My favourite part of watching this unfold is the immense amount of salt from some people. Who cares about this poll or would take it seriously anyways?
Even the idea of 'Best Game Ever' is pretty well undefined. Is it the game that had the most cultural impact, the best gameplay mechanics, the best story, the best art, was most technically impressive for its time, or some combination of these? Everyone has their own opinion about what makes a game good, and in the end this poll is simply another popularity contest. I honestly can't understand how riled up I see people getting about the results.
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France12873 Posts
I don't like this rigged poll so far :o
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"Best game" is a ridiculously subjective award anyway. I haven't played Undertale but OOT isn't even in my top 5 games and doesn't deserve the title either.
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There is no metric to measure the quality of a game that isn't subjective. We are not dealing with paint brushes or vacuum cleaners.
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Who cares?
Website sucks, and 99% of polls like this don't actually mean anything.
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Well the day is over. Tournament was fun while it lasted, some exciting matches. Yea, they don't matter, but hey, they're kinda fun.
There's going to be some grudge matches tomorrow as a bonus btw.
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Canada11355 Posts
On December 15 2015 20:42 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2015 20:06 DickMcFanny wrote:
Undertale is winning decisively against OoC. Boy howdy... Meh, who cares if Undertale wins an internet poll, it won't make the game any better. You know, I usually like obnoxious and elitist communities (hell, that's why I love TL), but looking at the people that like Undertale just makes me feel bad for them. The real problem are the 'look at me mom I'm trolling people on the internet XD' crowd. I know I'm getting older and there are a lot of teenagers in the gaming community but I just can't understand whats so fulfilling about voting for 'teh lulz'. 'Hurr look at all those people taking something seriously, I don't take things that seriously because I'm an enlightened intellectual, but I'll take part in this to show everyone how smart I am by making them mad'. All the Undertale community has achieved with this 'vote' is make everyone hate the game and think that their whole community is made up of the most obnoxious kinds of tumbler snowflakes
Well, like you said, you're getting older. You think the only things worth doing in life are 'fulfilling' by some arbitrary definition of the word while teenagers are still trying to get a handle on their serotonin and dopamine levels.
Maybe it's because I grew up as one of those 'for teh lulzzz' type of kids but isn't your belittling of their idea of fun just as childish? You project the idea that the only thing they must get out of it is some sense of intellectual superiority immediately after you say you don't understand the fulfillment they get from it. Either way it's certainly naive of you to assume that the people voting for the reactions of others are all minors.
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Congrats to Undertale I guess. Not the result I wanted, but hey, whatever.
Bonus polls are up. Third place battle with Melee vs SMRPG, Fallen #1 seeds match with Chrono Trigger and FF6, Death by Rally (kek) match with Pokemon RBYG and SM64 as well as the 2009 rematch which is FF7 and OoT.
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ff6 vs Chrono Trigger is probably one of the hardest choices for me. I have to give it to Chrono Trigger in the end but damn out of all this tournament this is the one where I had no instant gut reaction to pick. What do you guys all think?
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Ouch Pokemon vs. SM64 x.x
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On December 16 2015 20:34 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
ff6 vs Chrono Trigger is probably one of the hardest choices for me. I have to give it to Chrono Trigger in the end but damn out of all this tournament this is the one where I had no instant gut reaction to pick. What do you guys all think?
best game in the series vs best game on the system, definitely the hardest ever.
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For me the hardest decision was Dark Souls vs. A Link to the Past.
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So what's everyone's bracket score look like? I made some pretty bad picks and ended up with 197. Wanted to break into the top 80% but 78% isn't too too bad.
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Hmmm, never heard of Undertale before. This reminds me of when 4chan destroyed the Time person of the year poll, now that was a fun trick, this one seems lame by comparison.
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It is pretty great from this angle. Especially since Undertale is a love letter to games like Earthbound, yet people don't see to realize that.
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Is this really just some sort of joke that I'm not getting ?
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Never even heard of undertale till now.
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