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VelJa
Profile Joined October 2011
France1109 Posts
January 07 2015 20:32 GMT
#581
On January 08 2015 05:31 zatic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2015 05:26 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So where the hell could you get access to Kalashnikovs?

I am really late to the party, but is it even established that they used fully automatic AKs? If not, a rather simple to get recreational shooting license allows you to buy a semi-auto AK in France legally.

yeah but those used this morning where illegal ones for sure
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zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15366 Posts
January 07 2015 20:36 GMT
#582
On January 08 2015 05:32 VelJa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2015 05:31 zatic wrote:
On January 08 2015 05:26 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So where the hell could you get access to Kalashnikovs?

I am really late to the party, but is it even established that they used fully automatic AKs? If not, a rather simple to get recreational shooting license allows you to buy a semi-auto AK in France legally.

yeah but those used this morning where illegal ones for sure

Maybe, but it shouldn't be that surprising that they are somewhat easily accessible when they can be legally bought. France has among the most lenient gun laws in Europe. I have no idea where the nonsense from that Bloomberg article for example is coming from.
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Nouar
Profile Joined May 2009
France3270 Posts
January 07 2015 20:36 GMT
#583
No. War weapons aren't sold, period. Hunting weapon and shooting range weapons, yes, rifles are not.
Yes it's established there are witnesses and videos.
NoiR
Ishentar
Profile Joined February 2014
France122 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-07 20:36:59
January 07 2015 20:36 GMT
#584
Indeed, it's way easier to obtain cheap AKs from the black market than from a shooting license, where you need years of experience ... etc... to obtain limited weapon, and it's quite hard to obtain actually and way more expensive.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42411 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-07 20:39:14
January 07 2015 20:38 GMT
#585

Article in question: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=a42QRtqpqhd0

And someone in the comments mentioned that they are indeed the same person. Article about it, but in french..
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
r00ty
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1082 Posts
January 07 2015 20:38 GMT
#586
Semi-Auto conversions of AK's could be available? Also you could smuggle stuff over the mediterreanean in a small fisher boat, that's how i'd do it. You can't control them all.

But good news finally. Now catch them bastards, before more people get hurt!
rezoacken
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2719 Posts
January 07 2015 20:40 GMT
#587
On January 08 2015 05:22 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Are automatic weapons very accessible in France?


For you and me, near impossible.

For someone having contacts in illegal markets or terrorist groups, probably easier than we'd think.
Either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.
Jormundr
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1678 Posts
January 07 2015 20:40 GMT
#588
On January 08 2015 05:20 DeepElemBlues wrote:
I hope they capture or kill these guys quickly before they murder anyone else.

Western society needs to stop worrying about offending sensibilities and take a strong and non-compromising stand against violence caused by ideology. If you think believing in a star and crescent symbol, or a cross symbol, or a hammer and sickle symbol, or a swastika symbol, or whatever symbol, gives you license to massacre people then you need to be disabused of that notion in the strongest (non-violent) terms possible.

Regardless of whether it offends other people who believe in that same symbol.

So we should kill off the war hawks in the US govt?
Capitalism is beneficial for people who work harder than other people. Under capitalism the only way to make more money is to work harder then your competitors whether they be other companies or workers. ~ Vegetarian
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-07 20:45:52
January 07 2015 20:41 GMT
#589
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/01/daniel-zimmerman/mon-dieu-a-review-of-french-gun-laws/

French gun ownership is heavily regulated by placing weapons into different categories based on their function and caliber.

Weapons categories range from the 1ère catégorie that includes fully-automatic weapons and fighter jets to the 8ème catégorie of historic and collectible weapons. Yes, that’s right, fighter planes and full-auto rifles are in the same weapons category under French law. Go figure.[...]

Category A – Prohibited Firearms

Category A is a big no-no and includes everything from tanks to fighter planes. Most importantly it prohibits the ownership of fully-automatic firearms for civilians, so if you were thinking of visiting France to get some trigger time behind a FAMAS, think again. Of course, this hasn’t stopped gangs in French cities from getting their hands on some surplus Yugo-AKs or the terrorist Mohammed Mehra from acquiring an Uzi, but that’s a topic for another day.

Category B – Subject to Authorization

Category B includes anything shorter than 47cm, including handguns, or semi-automatic, with a removable magazine and a capacity larger than three rounds, and requires a sports shooting license to own. How do you get a sports shooting license? Be an active shooting club member and hit the range at least three times a year, go see a doctor every year who attests that you are physically and mentally capable of owning a firearm and prepare for some major paperwork.

I don't really what zatic is talking about. If you believe automatic being prohibited like tanks and fighter planes is "lenient" then yeah sure.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-07 20:44:50
January 07 2015 20:44 GMT
#590
The terrorists may have been caught. No confirmation yet.

http://www.liberation.fr/societe/2015/01/07/le-siege-de-charlie-hebo-vise-par-des-tirs_1175326?refresh=722731
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
r00ty
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1082 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-07 20:50:04
January 07 2015 20:46 GMT
#591
Our borders are basically open in Europe. You could drive from northern Norway to south France e.g without being checked once most likely.

Edit: Thanks for all the sources, keep it up please! My German news site to go, hasn't reported anything yet after Hollandes speech... -,-
Ishentar
Profile Joined February 2014
France122 Posts
January 07 2015 20:46 GMT
#592
Moreover, all weapons legally available are not automatic and can't be used in burst mode. The caliber used aren't NATO standard cal but hunt calibers, therefore, the weapon need to be reworked accordingly.

What we can see on videos of the shooting spree discard this hypothesis completely.
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
January 07 2015 20:48 GMT
#593
What may satire do?

Everything.
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Aveng3r
Profile Joined February 2012
United States2411 Posts
January 07 2015 20:49 GMT
#594
On January 08 2015 05:40 Jormundr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2015 05:20 DeepElemBlues wrote:
I hope they capture or kill these guys quickly before they murder anyone else.

Western society needs to stop worrying about offending sensibilities and take a strong and non-compromising stand against violence caused by ideology. If you think believing in a star and crescent symbol, or a cross symbol, or a hammer and sickle symbol, or a swastika symbol, or whatever symbol, gives you license to massacre people then you need to be disabused of that notion in the strongest (non-violent) terms possible.

Regardless of whether it offends other people who believe in that same symbol.

So we should kill off the war hawks in the US govt?

Don't think that was his point. He called for a stand AGAINST violence.
I carve marble busts of assassinated world leaders - PM for a quote
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15366 Posts
January 07 2015 20:50 GMT
#595
On January 08 2015 05:41 WhiteDog wrote:
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/01/daniel-zimmerman/mon-dieu-a-review-of-french-gun-laws/

Show nested quote +
French gun ownership is heavily regulated by placing weapons into different categories based on their function and caliber.

Weapons categories range from the 1ère catégorie that includes fully-automatic weapons and fighter jets to the 8ème catégorie of historic and collectible weapons. Yes, that’s right, fighter planes and full-auto rifles are in the same weapons category under French law. Go figure.[...]

Category A – Prohibited Firearms

Category A is a big no-no and includes everything from tanks to fighter planes. Most importantly it prohibits the ownership of fully-automatic firearms for civilians, so if you were thinking of visiting France to get some trigger time behind a FAMAS, think again. Of course, this hasn’t stopped gangs in French cities from getting their hands on some surplus Yugo-AKs or the terrorist Mohammed Mehra from acquiring an Uzi, but that’s a topic for another day.

Category B – Subject to Authorization

Category B includes anything shorter than 47cm, including handguns, or semi-automatic, with a removable magazine and a capacity larger than three rounds, and requires a sports shooting license to own. How do you get a sports shooting license? Be an active shooting club member and hit the range at least three times a year, go see a doctor every year who attests that you are physically and mentally capable of owning a firearm and prepare for some major paperwork.

I don't really what zatic is talking about. If you believe automatic being prohibited like tanks and fighter planes is "lenient" then yeah sure.

France has the most lenient gun laws in Europe, other than the likes of Finland or Switzerland. This isn't exactly a secret. If someone could PM me the video of them firing automatic weapons I'll shut up, but if they are semi-auto they are very much accessible. Just like in most European countries I should add. Gun laws are way more relaxed over here than people think.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 07 2015 20:50 GMT
#596
???



"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42411 Posts
January 07 2015 20:51 GMT
#597
On January 08 2015 05:50 zatic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2015 05:41 WhiteDog wrote:
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/01/daniel-zimmerman/mon-dieu-a-review-of-french-gun-laws/

French gun ownership is heavily regulated by placing weapons into different categories based on their function and caliber.

Weapons categories range from the 1ère catégorie that includes fully-automatic weapons and fighter jets to the 8ème catégorie of historic and collectible weapons. Yes, that’s right, fighter planes and full-auto rifles are in the same weapons category under French law. Go figure.[...]

Category A – Prohibited Firearms

Category A is a big no-no and includes everything from tanks to fighter planes. Most importantly it prohibits the ownership of fully-automatic firearms for civilians, so if you were thinking of visiting France to get some trigger time behind a FAMAS, think again. Of course, this hasn’t stopped gangs in French cities from getting their hands on some surplus Yugo-AKs or the terrorist Mohammed Mehra from acquiring an Uzi, but that’s a topic for another day.

Category B – Subject to Authorization

Category B includes anything shorter than 47cm, including handguns, or semi-automatic, with a removable magazine and a capacity larger than three rounds, and requires a sports shooting license to own. How do you get a sports shooting license? Be an active shooting club member and hit the range at least three times a year, go see a doctor every year who attests that you are physically and mentally capable of owning a firearm and prepare for some major paperwork.

I don't really what zatic is talking about. If you believe automatic being prohibited like tanks and fighter planes is "lenient" then yeah sure.

France has the most lenient gun laws in Europe, other than the likes of Finland or Switzerland. This isn't exactly a secret. If someone could PM me the video of them firing automatic weapons I'll shut up, but if they are semi-auto they are very much accessible. Just like in most European countries I should add. Gun laws are way more relaxed over here than people think.


I pm'd you the videos
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
January 07 2015 20:52 GMT
#598
On January 08 2015 05:50 zatic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2015 05:41 WhiteDog wrote:
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/01/daniel-zimmerman/mon-dieu-a-review-of-french-gun-laws/

French gun ownership is heavily regulated by placing weapons into different categories based on their function and caliber.

Weapons categories range from the 1ère catégorie that includes fully-automatic weapons and fighter jets to the 8ème catégorie of historic and collectible weapons. Yes, that’s right, fighter planes and full-auto rifles are in the same weapons category under French law. Go figure.[...]

Category A – Prohibited Firearms

Category A is a big no-no and includes everything from tanks to fighter planes. Most importantly it prohibits the ownership of fully-automatic firearms for civilians, so if you were thinking of visiting France to get some trigger time behind a FAMAS, think again. Of course, this hasn’t stopped gangs in French cities from getting their hands on some surplus Yugo-AKs or the terrorist Mohammed Mehra from acquiring an Uzi, but that’s a topic for another day.

Category B – Subject to Authorization

Category B includes anything shorter than 47cm, including handguns, or semi-automatic, with a removable magazine and a capacity larger than three rounds, and requires a sports shooting license to own. How do you get a sports shooting license? Be an active shooting club member and hit the range at least three times a year, go see a doctor every year who attests that you are physically and mentally capable of owning a firearm and prepare for some major paperwork.

I don't really what zatic is talking about. If you believe automatic being prohibited like tanks and fighter planes is "lenient" then yeah sure.

France has the most lenient gun laws in Europe, other than the likes of Finland or Switzerland. This isn't exactly a secret. If someone could PM me the video of them firing automatic weapons I'll shut up, but if they are semi-auto they are very much accessible. Just like in most European countries I should add. Gun laws are way more relaxed over here than people think.

You think some guys who tried to go to syria would have had a permit and the legal right to buy a semi automatic firearm in France ?
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
r00ty
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1082 Posts
January 07 2015 20:54 GMT
#599
On January 08 2015 05:50 zatic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2015 05:41 WhiteDog wrote:
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/01/daniel-zimmerman/mon-dieu-a-review-of-french-gun-laws/

French gun ownership is heavily regulated by placing weapons into different categories based on their function and caliber.

Weapons categories range from the 1ère catégorie that includes fully-automatic weapons and fighter jets to the 8ème catégorie of historic and collectible weapons. Yes, that’s right, fighter planes and full-auto rifles are in the same weapons category under French law. Go figure.[...]

Category A – Prohibited Firearms

Category A is a big no-no and includes everything from tanks to fighter planes. Most importantly it prohibits the ownership of fully-automatic firearms for civilians, so if you were thinking of visiting France to get some trigger time behind a FAMAS, think again. Of course, this hasn’t stopped gangs in French cities from getting their hands on some surplus Yugo-AKs or the terrorist Mohammed Mehra from acquiring an Uzi, but that’s a topic for another day.

Category B – Subject to Authorization

Category B includes anything shorter than 47cm, including handguns, or semi-automatic, with a removable magazine and a capacity larger than three rounds, and requires a sports shooting license to own. How do you get a sports shooting license? Be an active shooting club member and hit the range at least three times a year, go see a doctor every year who attests that you are physically and mentally capable of owning a firearm and prepare for some major paperwork.

I don't really what zatic is talking about. If you believe automatic being prohibited like tanks and fighter planes is "lenient" then yeah sure.

France has the most lenient gun laws in Europe, other than the likes of Finland or Switzerland. This isn't exactly a secret. If someone could PM me the video of them firing automatic weapons I'll shut up, but if they are semi-auto they are very much accessible. Just like in most European countries I should add. Gun laws are way more relaxed over here than people think.


That's right. My brother in law owns a civil version of the G36 assault rifle in 5.56mm NATO, the HK243. He also told me he would be able to reconvert it (has a metal workshop), if he wanted to. Of course that would mean prosecution if caught.
Agathon
Profile Joined February 2011
France1505 Posts
January 07 2015 20:55 GMT
#600
On January 08 2015 05:22 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Are automatic weapons very accessible in France?


Theorically no.

In real though, few years ago 2 journalists went in Bosnia, met gun sellers with hided cameras and after 2 days of bus through Europe, they took a picture of themselves with an AK47 and grenades under Eiffel Tower.

No control, no question, nothing.
"C'est au pied du mur, qu'on voit le mieux...le mur".
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