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Final results: http://elections.interieur.gouv.fr/legislatives-2017/FE.html
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% of registered voters
1) Massive white wave with 52,4% of no-vote, by far the highest abstention in législatives under the Vth
2) No appetite for Macron, who loses 1.3 million of votes since the presidential despite the 32.3% of expressed votes
3) Worst historical score for the right under the Vth Republic
4) Worst historical score for the PS since its birth 112 years ago
5) Radical left doubles its expressed votes since 2012 with +1.3 million of votes. Sorpasso is confirmed with FI > PS by 812 000 votes
6) Hard failure for the FN who loses 0.4 point and 600 000 votes since 2012 despite reaching an all-time high of 10.6 millions of votes in the second round of the presidential
Based on the impulse of 15% of registered voters in the first round, Macron could get up to 80% of the seats next week
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I have to say, Le Pen really disappointed at the end of that campaign with the way she pretty much went back on the most important anti-EU side of her platform just to be a wee bit more mainstream. That was a stupid judgment call.
Oh well. Tis premature. It will be a few more years before we get there.
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because nobody's interested in that crap any more. Do you think anybody see's what's going on in the UK and is interested in trying it out?
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Absolutely. But it's certainly a bit premature to plan any such exit for any other country at the moment. We'll be right back here in another couple of years after the Trump rampage concludes and a more sane group of Eurosceptic parties that doesn't try to see him as an ally develops.
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On June 12 2017 08:47 TheDwf wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Final results: http://elections.interieur.gouv.fr/legislatives-2017/FE.html% of registered voters 1) Massive white wave with 52,4% of no-vote, by far the highest abstention in législatives under the Vth 2) No appetite for Macron, who loses 1.3 million of votes since the presidential despite the 32.3% of expressed votes 3) Worst historical score for the right under the Vth Republic 4) Worst historical score for the PS since its birth 112 years ago 5) Radical left doubles its expressed votes since 2012 with +1.3 million of votes. Sorpasso is confirmed with FI > PS by 812 000 votes 6) Hard failure for the FN who loses 0.4 point and 600 000 votes since 2012 despite reaching an all-time high of 10.6 millions of votes in the second round of the presidential Based on the impulse of 15% of registered voters in the first round, Macron could get up to 80% of the seats next week
Out of 577 districts:
- 513 candidates of the presidential majority reached the second round
- 300 for the right
- 118 for the FN
- 73 for PS & co
- 69 for FI + PCF (12 for PCF "alone")
The presidential majority reaches the second round in 88% of the districts, the right in 52%, the FN in 20%, the PS & co in 12,6%, the radical left in 12%. There are:
- 273 EM vs right duels
- 134 EM vs "the left" duels (idiots still count PS & co + FI-PCF under the same label...)
- 99 EM vs FN duels
- and the rest
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On June 12 2017 11:22 LegalLord wrote:
Absolutely. But it's certainly a bit premature to plan any such exit for any other country at the moment. We'll be right back here in another couple of years after the Trump rampage concludes and a more sane group of Eurosceptic parties that doesn't try to see him as an ally develops.
I wonder, don't you ever ask yourself if the fact that your position is only supported by pseudo fascist, incompetent, dishonest pond scums doesn't mean something about its validity?
If only a xenophobic party lead by a horrible and utterly incompetent woman and that has a bunch of absolute low lives as its main contingent of candidates is the only one supporting frexit, it might, but just might, mean that it's you know, a really really terrible idea?
Just think about it a bit before jumping at my throat. I think that to judge the validity of an opinion, looking at who shares it with you is somewhat a good starting point. Bad news, you are in pretty fucking terrible company.
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There are always good ideas supported by shitty people. It's unfortunate to be in shitty company but that's sort of the reality of ever trying to get a consensus.
Britain proved that it's easier to support exiting the EU than supporting a terrible protest party that supports exiting the EU. All that shows is that party apparatuses don't necessarily reflect the opinion of the general public, and that they have their own pet issues.
But I digress. The support for anti-EU sentiment is clearly larger than support for voting in the FN. I can understand and respect why people wouldn't want the FN in office. But they're doing something right considering that even in spite of their supreme shittiness, people are willing to bite the bullet and vote for them.
Established parties have every incentive to squeeze and push for a larger union even if it's a bad idea overall. This is no surprise. Their reckoning will come - it's just a little premature.
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Anti-EU sentiment is a luxury problem. People don't notice how valuable security, freedom of movement and the EU's global bargaining power are until they're gone, and seeing the turmoil that populism causes on the planet people are beginning to understand that they shouldn't take these things for granted. This is why anti-EU positions are being overwhelmingly rejected at the moment. And I don't see this changing at all over the next few years, things will stay volatile which almost always supports the status quo. This is why Merkel is as popular in Germany as ever, nobody wants an inexperienced chancellor right now
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I'll be travelling to Germany in the next days and I'm highly pleased that it coincides with EU roaming becoming a thing.
  
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On June 12 2017 23:29 LegalLord wrote:
There are always good ideas supported by shitty people. It's unfortunate to be in shitty company but that's sort of the reality of ever trying to get a consensus.
Britain proved that it's easier to support exiting the EU than supporting a terrible protest party that supports exiting the EU. All that shows is that party apparatuses don't necessarily reflect the opinion of the general public, and that they have their own pet issues.
But I digress. The support for anti-EU sentiment is clearly larger than support for voting in the FN. I can understand and respect why people wouldn't want the FN in office. But they're doing something right considering that even in spite of their supreme shittiness, people are willing to bite the bullet and vote for them.
Established parties have every incentive to squeeze and push for a larger union even if it's a bad idea overall. This is no surprise. Their reckoning will come - it's just a little premature.
Most of the anti-EU sentiment is about how it works, not against its existence itself.
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On June 13 2017 02:31 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2017 23:29 LegalLord wrote:
There are always good ideas supported by shitty people. It's unfortunate to be in shitty company but that's sort of the reality of ever trying to get a consensus.
Britain proved that it's easier to support exiting the EU than supporting a terrible protest party that supports exiting the EU. All that shows is that party apparatuses don't necessarily reflect the opinion of the general public, and that they have their own pet issues.
But I digress. The support for anti-EU sentiment is clearly larger than support for voting in the FN. I can understand and respect why people wouldn't want the FN in office. But they're doing something right considering that even in spite of their supreme shittiness, people are willing to bite the bullet and vote for them.
Established parties have every incentive to squeeze and push for a larger union even if it's a bad idea overall. This is no surprise. Their reckoning will come - it's just a little premature. Most of the anti-EU sentiment is about how it works, not against its existence itself.
Thats a moot point because the anti-EU sentiment is also about what kind of exitence the EU takes.
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On June 13 2017 02:31 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2017 23:29 LegalLord wrote:
There are always good ideas supported by shitty people. It's unfortunate to be in shitty company but that's sort of the reality of ever trying to get a consensus.
Britain proved that it's easier to support exiting the EU than supporting a terrible protest party that supports exiting the EU. All that shows is that party apparatuses don't necessarily reflect the opinion of the general public, and that they have their own pet issues.
But I digress. The support for anti-EU sentiment is clearly larger than support for voting in the FN. I can understand and respect why people wouldn't want the FN in office. But they're doing something right considering that even in spite of their supreme shittiness, people are willing to bite the bullet and vote for them.
Established parties have every incentive to squeeze and push for a larger union even if it's a bad idea overall. This is no surprise. Their reckoning will come - it's just a little premature. Most of the anti-EU sentiment is about how it works, not against its existence itself.
Naturally. The anti-existence sentiment will be much more prevalent once there is widespread realization that it's not really possible to reconcile the issues in a suitable fashion. But it's already becoming clear that the divides are deeper than the rosy picture the integrationists paint, possibly significant enough to impel the Europelings toward separation.
But again, it's premature.
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On June 13 2017 03:39 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2017 02:31 nojok wrote:On June 12 2017 23:29 LegalLord wrote:
There are always good ideas supported by shitty people. It's unfortunate to be in shitty company but that's sort of the reality of ever trying to get a consensus.
Britain proved that it's easier to support exiting the EU than supporting a terrible protest party that supports exiting the EU. All that shows is that party apparatuses don't necessarily reflect the opinion of the general public, and that they have their own pet issues.
But I digress. The support for anti-EU sentiment is clearly larger than support for voting in the FN. I can understand and respect why people wouldn't want the FN in office. But they're doing something right considering that even in spite of their supreme shittiness, people are willing to bite the bullet and vote for them.
Established parties have every incentive to squeeze and push for a larger union even if it's a bad idea overall. This is no surprise. Their reckoning will come - it's just a little premature. Most of the anti-EU sentiment is about how it works, not against its existence itself. Naturally. The anti-existence sentiment will be much more prevalent once there is widespread realization that it's not really possible to reconcile the issues in a suitable fashion. But it's already becoming clear that the divides are deeper than the rosy picture the integrationists paint, possibly significant enough to impel the Europelings toward separation. But again, it's premature.
Do I sense a shift in your posting with this?
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On June 13 2017 03:20 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2017 02:31 nojok wrote:On June 12 2017 23:29 LegalLord wrote:
There are always good ideas supported by shitty people. It's unfortunate to be in shitty company but that's sort of the reality of ever trying to get a consensus.
Britain proved that it's easier to support exiting the EU than supporting a terrible protest party that supports exiting the EU. All that shows is that party apparatuses don't necessarily reflect the opinion of the general public, and that they have their own pet issues.
But I digress. The support for anti-EU sentiment is clearly larger than support for voting in the FN. I can understand and respect why people wouldn't want the FN in office. But they're doing something right considering that even in spite of their supreme shittiness, people are willing to bite the bullet and vote for them.
Established parties have every incentive to squeeze and push for a larger union even if it's a bad idea overall. This is no surprise. Their reckoning will come - it's just a little premature. Most of the anti-EU sentiment is about how it works, not against its existence itself. Thats a moot point because the anti-EU sentiment is also about what kind of exitence the EU takes.
No it's not, most people want improvements, not exit nor termination like anti-EU might sound.
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Speaking about anti-EU populists, on wednesday the Austrian socialdemocrats may decide to open up to a coalition with the far-right extremists of the FPÖ, dropping the so-called Vranitzky doctrine from 1986 (named after the former chancellor). But they may also postpone this decision to after the election in autumn.
Oh boy I'm so excited, it seems like we're going to get a fully-fledged Nazi chancellor or vice-chancellor no matter what happens, since the "conservatives" are pretty much all-inning on a coalition with the FPÖ too and they will probably win the election.
Though I'm personally not certain which of those two parties is more facist, the one with the Nazi party leader or the conservatives, which are still is praising Austro-fascist Dollfuß, who ordered to shoot workers in the streets in the 1930s. One of the main reasons why the Austrian working class was so happy when Hitler freed them from the Austrian conservatives in 1938.
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On June 13 2017 03:50 Artisreal wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2017 03:39 LegalLord wrote:On June 13 2017 02:31 nojok wrote:On June 12 2017 23:29 LegalLord wrote:
There are always good ideas supported by shitty people. It's unfortunate to be in shitty company but that's sort of the reality of ever trying to get a consensus.
Britain proved that it's easier to support exiting the EU than supporting a terrible protest party that supports exiting the EU. All that shows is that party apparatuses don't necessarily reflect the opinion of the general public, and that they have their own pet issues.
But I digress. The support for anti-EU sentiment is clearly larger than support for voting in the FN. I can understand and respect why people wouldn't want the FN in office. But they're doing something right considering that even in spite of their supreme shittiness, people are willing to bite the bullet and vote for them.
Established parties have every incentive to squeeze and push for a larger union even if it's a bad idea overall. This is no surprise. Their reckoning will come - it's just a little premature. Most of the anti-EU sentiment is about how it works, not against its existence itself. Naturally. The anti-existence sentiment will be much more prevalent once there is widespread realization that it's not really possible to reconcile the issues in a suitable fashion. But it's already becoming clear that the divides are deeper than the rosy picture the integrationists paint, possibly significant enough to impel the Europelings toward separation. But again, it's premature. Do I sense a shift in your posting with this?
No. It's clear that the EU is on a clear trajectory toward dissolution barring significant reorganization. But we're not quite there yet. Only its most reluctant member is willing to take that plunge right now.
That said, if my timeline were to be accelerated, and France or Italy took the plunge, I wouldn't complain.
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On June 13 2017 02:02 Big J wrote:I'll be travelling to Germany in the next days and I'm highly pleased that it coincides with EU roaming becoming a thing. :de:
Really? Vodafone has offered me home tariffs anywhere in Europe since I moved back to Spain last year.
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Well I had the free roaming thing since like first of June and I'm using AldiTalk prepaid.
There is a difference between implementing legislation from the point of it's legal inception or before it becomes law to gain a little PR for something you ultimately have to do anyway.
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I'm still fascinated by your open hatred towards the EU.
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