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On January 07 2016 13:12 AngryMag wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2016 11:10 Mohdoo wrote:
Anyone see the irony in Merkel trying so hard to be as non-Nazi as possible? By pushing for such obscene flooding of migrants, we are getting disasters like Cologne. This is going to continue because it is simply too many migrants too quickly. As a result, public opinion will grow continually against these migrants and will likely turn into racial bias. The country will advocate for expelling of migrants as events like Cologne inevitably continue to happen. Contrary to popular believe I don't think that top politicians are gullible, naive or stupid (opposite to many of the people voting them in..), atleast that is my opinion. My suspicion is that Merkel willingly accelerated the immigration thing to reduce social services down the line, maybe in 5 to 10 years. The line of reasoning the chancellor who is in charge of things then will use will read like "in the last years so many more people started to use social services we have to reduce them otherwise we cannot pay for the system anymore". The racial bias growing through her decisions you mentioned will just help to increase popular support for the decisions regarding the future reduction of the welfare state. We live in hardcore capitalistic societies, it is always all about the money. Another nice side effect is that more competition in the lower segments of the job market (through mass immigration of low skilled workers) will help to keep the wages down, isn't that awesome? Ironically the ones cheering the hardest for mass immigration are more leftist tendentially, they are pro social services, largely against more capitalistic societies with residential welfare states like the US and so on. The irony is that they are gullible enough to help the sharks to install an "americanized" economic and social system they despise so much but are to naive and stupid to see the long term consequences of their doing. So I don't think Merkel or the strategy consultants around her do anything to be "non nazi" or anything like that, they don't give a fuck. They have two-fisted goals they want to achieve with their decisions and everything done is just a tool to get a step closer towards the realisation of these goals (install residual welfare system first nationally if it works go towards european realisation) That is just my two cents though.
Leftist groups seem to assume that minority groups are more likely to vote in a socialist manner. I can't tell if they understand that low-skilled immigrants cannot finance a middle-class welfare state and intend to become anti-immigration after securing majories or if there is some other plan. Certainly in America that is the modern Democratic Party assumption, so their goal will also eventually involve securing voting rights for these refugees.
Your theory would certainly be quite the interesting con by Merkel, but I would posit the more likely situation is that she is more beholden to corporate cronies than to true free market principals and many of those interests prize the low cost labor.
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On January 07 2016 06:24 Sent. wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2016 05:52 Trurl wrote:On January 07 2016 03:32 Sent. wrote:
I'm not sure but I also remember something about one of the undersea pipelines being too close to one of our Baltic ports which causes some technological problems. Yes, that is what I am interested in. Why did the Polish government got no say in the building of the pipeline if its close enough to affect your ports? And what kind of problems are caused? I did some googling and apparently one of the pipes is so close to the port in Świnoujście, coincidentally the one with LNG terminal, that ships with hulls submerged more than 13.5 meters under the water can't enter it. This can render parts of the port designated for bigger ships like tankers or container ships useless. Now put your tinfoil hat on, LNG carriers tend to be big! Port administrator sued some German institution about it but afaik they lost the court battle (the court was in Hamburg). I don't feel like an expert in sea engineering so I don't know the details and maybe the articles I read were exaggerating the problem.
I'm not sure but was the court in Hamburg you are talking about the International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea? If it was you can read up on it and its members https://www.itlos.org/en/the-tribunal/members/ . President is Vladimir Vladimirovich Golitsyn (Russian Federation).
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Coming elections in Europe should be interesting.
Even the most political correct country in the world,germany,might turn around.
And its not even the leftist groups lol, most European countries have had right wing governments for the past decade.
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On January 07 2016 11:10 Mohdoo wrote:
Anyone see the irony in Merkel trying so hard to be as non-Nazi as possible? By pushing for such obscene flooding of migrants, we are getting disasters like Cologne. This is going to continue because it is simply too many migrants too quickly. As a result, public opinion will grow continually against these migrants and will likely turn into racial bias. The country will advocate for expelling of migrants as events like Cologne inevitably continue to happen.
Not that I want to disagree with you, but I recommend to not jump to conclusions too early.
What I got from most reports is that the suspects might be here for longer than the actual refugee crisis hit Germany. A direct connection between those disgusting events in Cologne and refugees in general is not proven (yet?). Also, even if there is this connection (which I do not want to exclude at all), it doesn´t allow us to blame every refugee for the behaviour of only a few. If we go down this road then the next step would be that all Germans are Nazis all over again, because we have a serious problem here with some idiots burning refugee lodgings.
What we need is to get as many culprits as possible and bring them to justice. And that doesn´t mean sth. like a lynch mob. I mean proper trials with proper sentences. But this will be very hard to acclompish, since many victims will have a hard time to identify the culprits given the circumstances. And that will sadly be playing into the hands of right wing extremists.
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It do not think it matters when they arrived in Germany.
The population will grow a general hatred towards immigrants.
Europe has messed it up so badly,sometimes you wonder if its been done on purpose. Smart people can not be this blind.
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On January 07 2016 09:54 Rassy wrote:
Wow, just read about what happened in koln on new years eve. That's just incredible.
It barely made the news here and its still difficult to find info on it. But this will have far reaching consequences I fear. Maybe that's why the media don't give it much attention so far,at least not here.
Expected a thread about this on this forum but maybe its to polarizing.
You know whats also pissing off a lot of Germans? That it took almost 5 days to reach the mainstream media at all. My assumption is that we have a problem with too much political correctness and thus, the media are too careful to state the facts as they were presented by eye witnesses and victims. Because the suspects seem to be migrants noone in the media wanted to get his hands burned by writing this. In Germany there is a code of conduct for the press. It states that the nationality of the suspects is not to be named in reports to prevent possible hate on minorities.
Yeah, we have a nanny journalism here ... Don´t tell the people the ugly details. They might think for themselves and get the wrong ideas.
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On January 07 2016 16:42 Rassy wrote:
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The population will grow a general hatred towards immigrants.
Europe has messed it up so badly,sometimes you wonder if its been done on purpose. Smart people can not be this blind.
I agree with that part.
Even if there are enough people smart enough to try to look at the events and don´t jump to conclusions too early, there will also be many people who will be scared of what happened. I can´t blame them. I would also have second thoughts now if I had planned to visit Cologne for the carneval.
And then there are also people who don´t inform themselves and get told by some extremists what to think.
Sadly, if you want to discuss, if there might be a connection between cultural context (standing of women in north-african cultures and/or in certain religions) and the events in cologne, you won´t get very far. Forum members tend to "swing the nazi club" at everyone who even try to regard the whole mess as down-to-earth as possible. Others try to distract by relativising it to other things, which have nothing to do with the issue at hand. We even have some (gladly just very few) idiots who even try to blame the victims.
Discussion is hard here. SPON (thats the website of DerSpiegel) most often does not even allow discussion at all if migrants or the refugee crisis is concerned. And even if they do, a lot of comments get censored without people other than the poster even knowing that it was censored. The poster doesn´t even get told why his post is not published.
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Intertesting day today at the stockmarkets.
End of a 6 year bull market seems to be very close,if not already.
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On January 07 2016 17:06 Elizar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2016 16:42 Rassy wrote:
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The population will grow a general hatred towards immigrants.
Europe has messed it up so badly,sometimes you wonder if its been done on purpose. Smart people can not be this blind. I agree with that part. Even if there are enough people smart enough to try to look at the events and don´t jump to conclusions too early, there will also be many people who will be scared of what happened. I can´t blame them. I would also have second thoughts now if I had planned to visit Cologne for the carneval. And then there are also people who don´t inform themselves and get told by some extremists what to think. Sadly, if you want to discuss, if there might be a connection between cultural context (standing of women in north-african cultures and/or in certain religions) and the events in cologne, you won´t get very far. Forum members tend to "swing the nazi club" at everyone who even try to regard the whole mess as down-to-earth as possible. Others try to distract by relativising it to other things, which have nothing to do with the issue at hand. We even have some (gladly just very few) idiots who even try to blame the victims. Discussion is hard here. SPON (thats the website of DerSpiegel) most often does not even allow discussion at all if migrants or the refugee crisis is concerned. And even if they do, a lot of comments get censored without people other than the poster even knowing that it was censored. The poster doesn´t even get told why his post is not published.
I quote everything. Discussions on almost every media is pathetic (team liquid is no exception, people banned left and right for stating REALITY). I am afraid Zizek was right - political correctness is the new totalitarism
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On January 07 2016 13:41 Banaora wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2016 06:24 Sent. wrote:On January 07 2016 05:52 Trurl wrote:On January 07 2016 03:32 Sent. wrote:
I'm not sure but I also remember something about one of the undersea pipelines being too close to one of our Baltic ports which causes some technological problems. Yes, that is what I am interested in. Why did the Polish government got no say in the building of the pipeline if its close enough to affect your ports? And what kind of problems are caused? I did some googling and apparently one of the pipes is so close to the port in Świnoujście, coincidentally the one with LNG terminal, that ships with hulls submerged more than 13.5 meters under the water can't enter it. This can render parts of the port designated for bigger ships like tankers or container ships useless. Now put your tinfoil hat on, LNG carriers tend to be big! Port administrator sued some German institution about it but afaik they lost the court battle (the court was in Hamburg). I don't feel like an expert in sea engineering so I don't know the details and maybe the articles I read were exaggerating the problem. I'm not sure but was the court in Hamburg you are talking about the International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea? If it was you can read up on it and its members https://www.itlos.org/en/the-tribunal/members/ . President is Vladimir Vladimirovich Golitsyn (Russian Federation).
It would be very funny but no, I think it was a normal German court in Hamburg. Port administrator tried to sue The Federal Maritime and Hydrographic Agency of Germany (BSH) but the court dimissed the lawsuit and we're waiting for the justification. That German Institution gave a permission to put those pipes there. I guess the case is not over yet since it was just the first instance and the Polish administrator will likely try to appeal as soon as he can.
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News report that a man has been shot outside a police station in Paris. The man seemed to be wearing an explosive belt and shouted 'Allah akbar'.
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According to Danish media "it is possible" he wore an explosive belt. I don't know how you can report something that vague :S
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Italian media now reports that the explosive belt 'might be fake'.
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On January 07 2016 21:28 SoSexy wrote:
Italian media now reports that the explosive belt 'might be fake'.
seems so Man shot by police in Paris was wearing a fake explosive belt: source
PARIS
A man who was shot dead trying to enter a northern Paris police station on Thursday was wearing a fake explosive belt, a police union source told Reuters.
"The man did have a belt, but it was a fake. The bomb-disposal unit confirmed it was a fake," the police union source said.
A spokesman for the interior ministry had said earlier that the man may have been wearing an explosive belt when he entered the police station shouting "Allahu Akbar" but that it was too early to say whether it was operational or not.
The incident took place just moments after President Francois Hollande had given a speech to security forces in an another part of Paris to mark the anniversary of last year's deadly Islamist militant attacks on the Charlie Hebdo satirical magazine in the French capital.
source: www.reuters.com
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This is such an idiotic thing to do it should count as suicide.
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Suicide by cop with a miniscule twist it seems.
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yeah I don't think this could possibly be anything else but (planned) suicide?
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Dude, come on. If you want to kill yourself you don't reason like that. You jump off a bridge or something - you don't walk into a situation where you do not have 100% chances of dying. What would have happened if the cops shot him in a leg?
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On January 07 2016 22:26 Toadesstern wrote:
yeah I don't think this could possibly be anything else but (planned) suicide?
or someone already wanted to secure the 2016 darwin award...
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On January 07 2016 22:28 SoSexy wrote:
Dude, come on. If you want to kill yourself you don't reason like that. You jump off a bridge or something - you don't walk into a situation where you do not have 100% chances of dying. What would have happened if the cops shot him in a leg?
idk man, you jump off a bridge, don't die but end up paralyzed for life doesn't really sound that good either. And there are plenty of people who don't pick a 100% "secure" death to begin with. Idk this just sounds really stupid if it's not supposed to be suicide to me
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