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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On December 01 2014 10:36 Doublemint wrote: indeed. you fear the GERMANS europe? just as planned, muahahahahaa I always felt sad for Hapsburg empire. Everyone was tearing away at it and the end Austria, Czechs, Slovaks, Croats and Hungarians end up in the same mega-Empire anyway. Except now instead of being a federation of equals they are second fiddle to the German-France Axis. | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8366 Posts
On December 01 2014 10:40 Sub40APM wrote: I always felt sad for Hapsburg empire. Everyone was tearing away at it and the end Austria, Czechs, Slovaks, Croats and Hungarians end up in the same mega-Empire anyway. Except now instead of being a federation of equals they are second fiddle to the German-France Axis. one could also say that we learned our lesson and history gave us an opportunity to stop with major meddling in world politics. way more relaxed, have more of a mediation role in the world between forces bound for centuries to destroy each other. too bad we (our politicians after kreisky) gave that up as well for the most part lol. | ||
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
On December 01 2014 01:42 Nyxisto wrote: Schröder was a fucking idiot. He has ruined the image of the SPD for decades, his economic policies were terrible and his behaviour towards Russia is disgusting. How a chancellor can turn into a second tier lobbyist over the course of a few months is completely beyond me. i think its SPD inherent, you can see their new leader Gabriel turn into a hardcore capitalist industrialist right before your eyes as soon as he got a whiff of power. | ||
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Skilledblob
Germany3392 Posts
which is probably the best for the whole system, there was no going back after Schröder | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On December 01 2014 11:15 Skilledblob wrote: at the moment the SPD and the CDU are pretty much the same and it's only going to get worse in the next years now that they have formed another coalition. They will lose even more of their left wing voters to Die Linke and at the same time lose their center voters to the CDU and at the end they'll end up like the FDP. which is probably the best for the whole system, there was no going back after Schröder But that seems to happen to every left party that actually comes to power. Look at the socialists in France or Labour under Blair. There seems to be a kind of professionalization of politics where parties that appeal to the middle end up looking identical except around the most extreme edges. And in turn thats causing the left to be the middle and the right if its under pressure for the far right to lurch more right, an American Republican from 1988 would be considered probably a Democrat on all issues except probably gay marriage. In the UK, Cameron is trying out-right the UKIP by going on a Republican style anti-immigrant tear and so forth. | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5276 Posts
On December 01 2014 10:37 Sub40APM wrote: Yes. Sorry that a conspiracy theory isnt just quite enough. You are right. Thats much more logical than American companies -- who are also ideologically opposed to each other -- were hired for their expertise at mobilizing voters and crafting ads. You dont have to own media outlets to have them run political ads -- controversially, media companies do these things called 'sell ad space' that controversially other people 'buy' them. Think about what you are saying: Americans had an opportunity because Moldova had elections very soon after Romanian elections so to influence Moldovan elections they rigged the Romanian elections to influence the Moldovan elections. Why go through this elaborate step again? Why not influence Moldovan elections directly? Anyway, at least its nice of you to acknowledge that its possible for someone of German descent to be a Romanian who represents Romanian interests. americans do work in Moldova too; they wouldn't be americans if they didn't  . the opinion polls in Moldova were showing a close battle between pro EU and pro Russia sides so, i wouldn't call it influence/manipulation, but Iohannis's visit was expected to give a nudge in the right direction (maybe not like V.Nuland's visit prior to ukrainian revolution but still it should have amounted to something/to more then it did). about ad space selling and people buying them: -even a 220.000 thousand dollars fee payed to an american firm by a romanian, is a red flag here. an average romanian has to work 8 -10 years (high payed CEO's about 2-3 years) to be able to afford that and that number doesn't even include those other required campaign expenses and bribes. what you are claiming there, does happen from time to time but staying within the legality of an election campaign gets you somewhere around 3% of the votes at best. even Iohannis had(still does 'till january (at least) pending a verdict), open dossiers at our anti corruption investigation agency. he was the mayor of Sibiu(Hermannstadt) and allegedly did shady deals with real estates, pieces of land/property. we, as a nation, have nothing against germans. we have historic writings saying: "the german is a just/fair and hard working person/human" (rough translation, describing a romanian sentiment during medieval times) and in general seen germans as good people. romanians now are all GO Iohannins! pinning hopes and dreams on him but as i said, only time will tell. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-30037531 | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On December 01 2014 17:55 xM(Z wrote: americans do work in Moldova too; they wouldn't be americans if they didn't . the opinion polls in Moldova were showing a close battle between pro EU and pro Russia sides so, i wouldn't call it influence/manipulation, but Iohannis's visit was expected to give a nudge in the right direction (maybe not like V.Nuland's visit prior to ukrainian revolution but still it should have amounted to something/to more then it did). Yes but do you see how your language becomes more reasonable? It went from Americans couped Romania to coup Moldova to pro-Western candidate of Romania visited Moldova to support pro-Western candidates. Like one is impossible to argue with. The other is impossible not to. about ad space selling and people buying them: -even a 220.000 thousand dollars fee payed to an american firm by a romanian, is a red flag here. an average romanian has to work 8 -10 years (high payed CEO's about 2-3 years) to be able to afford that and that number doesn't even include those other required campaign expenses and bribes. I dont know how politics are funded in Romania, but Wikipedia says the National Liberal party, for example, has 200,000 members or so. So if each gave one dollar and ten cents in donations thats the fee. Presumably they also receive donations from businessmen trying to influence them like they do everywhere else. what you are claiming there, does happen from time to time but staying within the legality of an election campaign gets you somewhere around 3% of the votes at best. As far as I can tell he was a surprising winner but not just some random puppet found out of nowhere, and googling around whereas he had an open case against him he was also viewed as a respect mayor of his town? So I dont know, I think your original wording had some pretty negative connotations against him personally and his success and now you clarified your position to a much more reasonable one that without understanding the intricacies of Romania is impossible to really dispute. Which is what I kind of wanted to get through with my reply | ||
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Fuchsteufelswild
Australia2028 Posts
On December 02 2014 08:30 oneofthem wrote: not sure if right thread but this is ridiculous http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-30037531 Well with the title, I was going to say "Oh ho, so the EU is catching up to the Idiocracy of AU then?" I'm not really sure how EU legislation works but is that position one that could potentially force GM crops onto member states of the EU? I'd have thought that would be one of those matters left to individual member states. Why didn't the green groups just try have her ousted? :/ Even if scientific evidence supports it, green groups are usually pro-(most) science, just not things that directly conflict with their views like nuclear fission and GM crops, so why lobby for the removal of the position. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Doublemint
Austria8366 Posts
On December 02 2014 12:22 oneofthem wrote: she doesn't have any legislative authority, just a voice and she is a brit. and oh boy don't they show that they love the idea of europe, especially recently. I would not put this out of proportions to be honest. though mr. GMO himself might I guess :p //edit: don't get me wrong, it is a minor setback for GMOs, but talking about a disgrace for cutting such a body with no authority whatsoever other than being pro GMO... I dunno man. | ||
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mdb
Bulgaria4059 Posts
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lord_nibbler
Germany591 Posts
From what I read Gasprom had the contract to build the part of the pipeline through Bulgaria. Then the US / EU applied some pressure (can't have Russia taking away contracts than western companies desire). So, it is perfectly normal than Putin goes elsewhere with his pipeline. That's economic freedom, one of those 'western values' we defend all the time, remember. | ||
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Vragelano
Antigua/Barbuda2 Posts
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Doublemint
Austria8366 Posts
On December 02 2014 20:00 mdb wrote: So Putin announces that Russia will cancel "South Stream" and blames Bulgaria for this. Funny guy. well you are part of the degenerated western gay community a.k.a EU. better get used to it  | ||
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nunez
Norway4003 Posts
health, finance and economy ministers respectively in ukraine. src ukraine starts up ministry of truth. src norweg govt is spending 1E8 nkr a year for ukr-govt life support, where is our minister? georgia and lithuania? plz. | ||
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Sweden2512 Posts
Long story short our political system is fairly stable and designed to allow coalition and minority governments. One side of this is that crucial decisions doesn't need over 50 % of the vote, they just need to not have 50 % of the vote against them. There are 7 parties, in 3 blocks. The left (socialists, the far left party, the greens) narrowly won the election but didn't get a majority. The right (4 parties) were in opposition and still presented their own budget. And the Swedish democrats, an anti immigration and social conservative party which got 13 % in the last election. Everyone told SD to go fuck themselves. Now, what happened is that the left formed a government and got the prime minister spot. But when the budgets were presented the Swedish democrats decided that they would vote for the opposition budget instead. Despite calls to discuss this among all other parties they couldn't agree on anything and today the rights budget was passed under a leftist government. Naturally this won't work so the prime minister called for a re-election (100 % guaranteed the opposition was betting he'd just resign and hand them the torch but I guess he was pissed off that they refused to even talk to him). So in 3 months we have a new election, everyone things our politicians behave like 7 year olds and all the parties are busy trying to put the blame on each other for making the government blow up. | ||
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nunez
Norway4003 Posts
how do you think this will reflect (if at all) in new election? looks like similar business going down in israel. | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8366 Posts
before conservatives and right wingers formed the fateful coalition which brought a shocking increase in corruption and selling of people's property(like Austria Tabak... etc...) to the benefit of only a few and in the name of a balanced budget on paper, which never stood the test of reality. | ||
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